PennyQuilts
04-20-2013, 11:44 AM
Just because people disagree or challenge opinions doesn't mean they are leveling a personal attack. When ideas and opinions are challenged does not automatically equal and agenda to directly attack a person and the victim mentality is quite unbecoming of some on this board. Too many times are people dishing out harsh criticisms of others but when it is returned they can take it and play victim. Enough is enough. Highly respected members of this board, who risked their life serving our country, pointed out valid concerns of comments being made and all of a sudden they are the bad guys? Pathetic.
Agreed that merely challenging opinions isn't a personal attack. Is that how you see the following?:
You have an interesting way of characterizing people then playing innocent. Passive aggressive much?
It is a very good thing a few people on OKCTalk have nothing to do with law enforcement or the criminal justice system - we do not need people who cannot see past their bias and have a tendency to jump to conclusions without knowing much of anything other than their own fears.
Bias, really? So accuse me of bias and then dismiss my comments as a result. And that isn't going personal? Didn't see you calling him out, Venture.
So why the personal need of yours to label him as an islamic terrorist instead of just a terrorist? If we are going to ignore his ethnic background as a label, why jump to a possible religious one?
A "personal need of yours to label" - hmm. And this isn't a personal attack - that you ignored?
But then, the instant I gave an opinion with which they disagree, the PC police (who were open to speculation in earlier parts of the thread) then attribute the same sort of speculation to some sort of personal bias. "further label and divide" is just insulting, sanctimonious and made up. I don't appreciate it - who would?
He's a terrorist. Why extend the label anymore except to drive a personal bias? Now if we come to the finding that radical islam or other teachings are the reason for their actions, that shouldn't change anything on the way we label him. Unless the intent is to further label and divide.
Clear headed, objective thinking is far more preferable to blind assumptions. PQ may eventually end up being correct about the murderers' motivations, but to ignore other possibilities is reckless and foolish.
Again, I am not in law enforcement, not part of the investigation and just gave an opinion. This was just a nasty way to insult a fellow poster - who never said the authorities shouldn't consider everything in the first place.
How did they let it ride? They got the request, did an investigation and determined nothing was wrong. I think the LEO's did an incredible job no matter how much you want to whine, complain and make assumptions that aren't known yet. Go ahead and respond playing the victim again.
Again, just a nasty post and - again - Venture and Co. say nothing. Hypocritical, much? BTW, you didn't see me going out of my way to attack others for their perceived bias, did you?
I didn't think you would divulge your "source". Concerned about its credibility or too much of a tin foil hat factor? I'm pretty settled that whatever it is cannot match the credibility of people that were actually involved in this operation.
Typical nastiness that doesn't do anything but be nasty. And ignored by the thought police because it suits their purpose.
And then there is Mr. Sanctimonious who takes it upon himself to school me on this. Really? Seriously? And I am the one who is going personal?
I'm not sure if you know how much respect you lose from the average adult when you "speculate" like that. Man, when bullets are flying and at night, in an urban area, with speeding cars, its insanely hard to keep track of one person. Have you ever tried? If you've not been in a firefight, I'd suggest you leave silly speculations about how hard it is or isn't to manage outcomes to yourself. You say you don't want to denigrate the work of the police and yet you are grasping for anything, anything at all that might allow you to harbor a grudge against their actions. Grasping again, when you've got zero experience in these things and no insight into how the events played out on the scene. So instead of sounding like you are honestly curious, you sound desperate at best and arrogant and disrespectful at worst.
Again, I suggest you leave your thoughts to yourself but feel free to "remove all doubt".
In the early parts of this thread, just about all the ones above chimed in on what they thought was happening - and that was okay. At some point, instead of discussing the situation, it got all about schooling a fellow poster. Don't appreciate it. Not being a victim but the gross hypocrisy is annoying. This is a subject that brings out high emotion from all of us but there is no excuse to think that gives you guys the moral high ground to make it personal. The nastiness in this thread came from the ones who simply can't abide by anyone saying something they don't agree with. If you go personal on a fellow poster who is simply stating an opinion, you signal to the world that that is all you have. Emotion has its place but it isn't a license to be unfair and rude. If you want to change my opinion, how about respectfully using reason and civility? "Reading my mind," accusing me of being biased, reckless, etc., isn't called for. If you aren't going to monitor all the posters, don't take it upon yourself to "school" and be rude to the ones with whom you simply disagree. And that is what happened in this thread.
Agreed that merely challenging opinions isn't a personal attack. Is that how you see the following?:
You have an interesting way of characterizing people then playing innocent. Passive aggressive much?
It is a very good thing a few people on OKCTalk have nothing to do with law enforcement or the criminal justice system - we do not need people who cannot see past their bias and have a tendency to jump to conclusions without knowing much of anything other than their own fears.
Bias, really? So accuse me of bias and then dismiss my comments as a result. And that isn't going personal? Didn't see you calling him out, Venture.
So why the personal need of yours to label him as an islamic terrorist instead of just a terrorist? If we are going to ignore his ethnic background as a label, why jump to a possible religious one?
A "personal need of yours to label" - hmm. And this isn't a personal attack - that you ignored?
But then, the instant I gave an opinion with which they disagree, the PC police (who were open to speculation in earlier parts of the thread) then attribute the same sort of speculation to some sort of personal bias. "further label and divide" is just insulting, sanctimonious and made up. I don't appreciate it - who would?
He's a terrorist. Why extend the label anymore except to drive a personal bias? Now if we come to the finding that radical islam or other teachings are the reason for their actions, that shouldn't change anything on the way we label him. Unless the intent is to further label and divide.
Clear headed, objective thinking is far more preferable to blind assumptions. PQ may eventually end up being correct about the murderers' motivations, but to ignore other possibilities is reckless and foolish.
Again, I am not in law enforcement, not part of the investigation and just gave an opinion. This was just a nasty way to insult a fellow poster - who never said the authorities shouldn't consider everything in the first place.
How did they let it ride? They got the request, did an investigation and determined nothing was wrong. I think the LEO's did an incredible job no matter how much you want to whine, complain and make assumptions that aren't known yet. Go ahead and respond playing the victim again.
Again, just a nasty post and - again - Venture and Co. say nothing. Hypocritical, much? BTW, you didn't see me going out of my way to attack others for their perceived bias, did you?
I didn't think you would divulge your "source". Concerned about its credibility or too much of a tin foil hat factor? I'm pretty settled that whatever it is cannot match the credibility of people that were actually involved in this operation.
Typical nastiness that doesn't do anything but be nasty. And ignored by the thought police because it suits their purpose.
And then there is Mr. Sanctimonious who takes it upon himself to school me on this. Really? Seriously? And I am the one who is going personal?
I'm not sure if you know how much respect you lose from the average adult when you "speculate" like that. Man, when bullets are flying and at night, in an urban area, with speeding cars, its insanely hard to keep track of one person. Have you ever tried? If you've not been in a firefight, I'd suggest you leave silly speculations about how hard it is or isn't to manage outcomes to yourself. You say you don't want to denigrate the work of the police and yet you are grasping for anything, anything at all that might allow you to harbor a grudge against their actions. Grasping again, when you've got zero experience in these things and no insight into how the events played out on the scene. So instead of sounding like you are honestly curious, you sound desperate at best and arrogant and disrespectful at worst.
Again, I suggest you leave your thoughts to yourself but feel free to "remove all doubt".
In the early parts of this thread, just about all the ones above chimed in on what they thought was happening - and that was okay. At some point, instead of discussing the situation, it got all about schooling a fellow poster. Don't appreciate it. Not being a victim but the gross hypocrisy is annoying. This is a subject that brings out high emotion from all of us but there is no excuse to think that gives you guys the moral high ground to make it personal. The nastiness in this thread came from the ones who simply can't abide by anyone saying something they don't agree with. If you go personal on a fellow poster who is simply stating an opinion, you signal to the world that that is all you have. Emotion has its place but it isn't a license to be unfair and rude. If you want to change my opinion, how about respectfully using reason and civility? "Reading my mind," accusing me of being biased, reckless, etc., isn't called for. If you aren't going to monitor all the posters, don't take it upon yourself to "school" and be rude to the ones with whom you simply disagree. And that is what happened in this thread.