scanner is saying no movement

Wonder if he was hit in the earlier gunfire. Recently its only been dummy rounds and flash bang grenades. He could have also committed suicide as well.

Either way, he isn't moving right now.

He probably got hit last night... and has been bleeding in the boat.

Now he has been tear gassed, hit with rubber bullets, set on fire, and flashbanged at least twice.

He probably got hit last night... and has been bleeding in the boat.

Now he has been tear gassed, hit with rubber bullets, set on fire, and flashbanged at least twice.

at least they haven't run him over like he did to his brother

His arm just moved...so he isn't dead.

sounds like it's about to get a lot brighter

Yep. What was it "ready the night sun" or however the one guy worded it.

rut ro... they may be changing channels because it's on the internet

They are getting ready to cut radio feed since they know about the guy streaming it.

lol

This is Dorner all over again...

Shady radio cease with no video feeds or anything.


EDIT: Apparently the "downlink" is the video feed from chopper.

or they want to make sure he's not listening in to their broadcast

CNN crew is 300 yard away from the boat...so they are the ones they just sent the crew over to move back.

Glad it wasn't this one... this is really interesting

Sounds like assault team about to move. Requested shields.

Yep sure does.

Got him !!!!

suspect in custody, calling for medic

Sweet! I hope his injuries aren't fatal. This little bastard has some 'splaning to do.

Best possible ending for this. Now to get real answers.

It's amazing how fast they got these guys with all the video and pictures they had to go through.

Boston Globe reporting New Bedford PD has arrested three people as part of the investigation.

Glad they got him alive.

What a relief.

Such a waste of life this whole thing has been for all involved.

Boston Globe reporting New Bedford PD has arrested three people as part of the investigation.

Glad they got him alive.

What a great outcome. So impressed with FBI, state and local officials for how professionally they handled this! Kudos to them!

What a great outcome. So impressed with FBI, state and local officials for how professionally they handled this! Kudos to them!

*like*

What a great outcome. So impressed with FBI, state and local officials for how professionally they handled this! Kudos to them!

Indeed - the local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies have done an outstanding job.

There has been great work and some questionable work. On the federal level, a foreign government had been so concerned with his radical tendencies, that they approached the US to investigate him. They let that ride. And then there is the fact that they managed to let this guy escape after being in a shootout with over 200 rounds fired. That is a hard one to understand. The video work was good but since we now know they already had at least the older brother's name and information, and since they'd investigated him for extremist concerns, that would give them a jump start to primarily just search the videos (and they have facial recognition) to see if some of the people in their data base were picked up. That isn't to take away from the good video work but let's not think they were starting from scratch. They knew this guy and he was local.

There has been great work and some questionable work. On the federal level, a foreign government had been so concerned with his radical tendencies, that they approached the US to investigate him. They let that ride. And then there is the fact that they managed to let this guy escape after being in a shootout with over 200 rounds fired. That is a hard one to understand. The video work was good but since we now know they already had at least the older brother's name and information, and since they'd investigated him for extremist concerns, that would give them a jump start to primarily just search the videos (and they have facial recognition) to see if some of the people in their data base were picked up. That isn't to take away from the good video work but let's not think they were starting from scratch. They knew this guy and he was local.

How did they let it ride? They got the request, did an investigation and determined nothing was wrong. I think the LEO's did an incredible job no matter how much you want to whine, complain and make assumptions that aren't known yet. Go ahead and respond playing the victim again.

:doh:

Thus saith Alex Beckbaugh. How sad.

I'll wait for something from the professionals that actually know something about the situation.

smh.....

Somethings never change and are very predictable. History does repeat itself, eh.

How did they let it ride? They got the request, did an investigation and determined nothing was wrong. I think the LEO's did an incredible job no matter how much you want to whine, complain and make assumptions that aren't known yet. Go ahead and respond playing the victim again.
They "let it ride" was a figure of speech and I wasn't implying any sort of victimhood. If you don't like what I have to say, let's debate the issues.

Moreover, I have my opinions about how it was handled and you have yours. If you can't handle a difference of opinion without making personal attacks, I suspect this isn't anything new in your life but don't try to make it my problem.

No Miranda warning will be given to suspect, public safety exception is being invoked for limited and focused interrogation

Any criminal law/constitutional law practitioners that can explain this?

And then there is the fact that they managed to let this guy escape after being in a shootout with over 200 rounds fired. That is a hard one to understand.

Obviously never been on a two way range. There was also the matter of numerous explosive devices being deployed in the firefight. He literally ran over his brothers body to break contact last night. Not difficult to understand at all.

They "let it ride" was a figure of speech and I wasn't implying any sort of victimhood. If you don't like what I have to say, let's debate the issues.

Moreover, I have my opinions about how it was handled and you have yours. If you can't handle a difference of opinion without making personal attacks, I suspect this isn't anything new in your life but don't try to make it my problem.

You say they let it ride and when called on it you say it was just a figure of speech? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I feel the law enforcement agencies did a great job, worked hard, worked together to get these two in a short amount of time. You feel otherwise.

You say they let it ride and when called on it you say it was just a figure of speech? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I feel the law enforcement agencies did a great job, worked hard, worked together to get these two in a short amount of time. You feel otherwise.

I think if you go back and actually read what I wrote, you'll see that I gave the police credit for some good work but had some specific reservations. Let's get real - in the aftermath of these things, people all cheer and high five. And that's fine. But the questions get asked later - always. So sue me for not waiting until later. I have absolutely no reason to want to denigrate the police work other than wondering about a few things that may well be answered in days to come and I'm not doing it now - you just are having a difficult time accepting an opinion different than your own, near as I can tell. I am a big supporter of the police - always have been. Doesn't mean I don't wonder about a suspect managing to escape in the middle of a fire fight - nor does it mean I have to jump on the bandwagon about the amazing work they did on the video - especially when they had the benefit of actually having video of the guy putting down the backpack from day one and the videos showed him with his brother - someone previously investigated for radicalism. I personally suspect they knew their names before the end of the day and wonder if they showed the people simply to see if anyone knew them under an alias that could lead them to more suspects. Just something I wondered about.

Obviously never been on a two way range. There was also the matter of numerous explosive devices being deployed in the firefight. He literally ran over his brothers body to break contact last night. Not difficult to understand at all.

I read that didn't actually happen - conflicting reports, I guess.

Here is the little twerp

http://i.imgur.com/XDuMHCY.jpg

There appears to be no wounds to the chest or stomach area so he should make it.

he lost alot of blood

I read that didn't actually happen - conflicting reports, I guess.

I'll go with the word of the Mass HP Commander, the Watertown PD Chief, and numerous other law enforcement officials that were actually there. Care to divulge your "source"?

All this coverage this week reminds me of this song by Tool.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJ6yRs1JYY

I'll go with the word of the Mass HP Commander, the Watertown PD Chief, and numerous other law enforcement officials that were actually there. Care to divulge your "source"?

A conflicting one, as I said, dear. I didn't say you were wrong - just said I read something different. Settle down.

A conflicting one, as I said, dear. I didn't say you were wrong - just said I read something different. Settle down.

NM Have a nice day

A conflicting one, as I said, dear. I didn't say you were wrong - just said I read something different. Settle down.

I didn't think you would divulge your "source". Concerned about its credibility or too much of a tin foil hat factor? I'm pretty settled that whatever it is cannot match the credibility of people that were actually involved in this operation.

This. It's moments like this when some of these agencies get tested and outcomes can be very telling. I hope this event shows just how much progress the FBI and others have made during the mandated restructure by this administration.

Please no one reply with anything political. I'm not making a political statement. I just like seeing hard work paying off like this.

Yep everything worked almost perfectly. Always some things to improve, like how to control the chaos during shoot outs to keep people from slipping away, but I can't image the stress of a situation like that. This really couldn't have played out any better if it was a script for Criminal Minds.

I just alluded to in my last post, how hard it really is to maintain visual contact during a firefight. It's just not easy.Having once been involved (although only on the extreme periphery) of what turned out to be a friendly firefight, in the spring of 1953 a few miles south of the 38th parallel, I can assure you this is an understatement. The fight was between the point and the rear of the same small patrol, which was probing an area well out from the MLR. The point reported Chinese in the area, the rear saw movement and opened fire, and the point returned the fire. As the artillery observer in a bunker back at the MLR, with the company commander by my side, I was giving them covering fire -- and then they discovered what was going on.

Fortunately for my conscience, nobody was hurt by shell fragments, but the patrol leader died from a gunshot wound.

Identifying individuals in a firefight is next to impossible. And the number of friendly fire incidents over the years is probably at least a thousand, maybe ten thousand, percent greater than has ever been reported. Unless there's a high-profile death such as Gen. Teddy Roosevelt in WW2 or Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, they don't get mentioned...

I'm not sure if you know how much respect you lose from the average adult when you "speculate" like that. Man, when bullets are flying and at night, in an urban area, with speeding cars, its insanely hard to keep track of one person. Have you ever tried? If you've not been in a firefight, I'd suggest you leave silly speculations about how hard it is or isn't to manage outcomes to yourself. You say you don't want to denigrate the work of the police and yet you are grasping for anything, anything at all that might allow you to harbor a grudge against their actions. Grasping again, when you've got zero experience in these things and no insight into how the events played out on the scene. So instead of sounding like you are honestly curious, you sound desperate at best and arrogant and disrespectful at worst.

Again, I suggest you leave your thoughts to yourself but feel free to "remove all doubt".

Fantastic posts by the way. You have a perspective that can be shared to us to help educate a lot of us for what we can't possibly understand. The sacrifices you make for our country is definitely appreciated - as well as the insight.

Having once been involved (although only on the extreme periphery) of what turned out to be a friendly firefight, in the spring of 1953 a few miles south of the 38th parallel, I can assure you this is an understatement. The fight was between the point and the rear of the same small patrol, which was probing an area well out from the MLR. The point reported Chinese in the area, the rear saw movement and opened fire, and the point returned the fire. As the artillery observer in a bunker back at the MLR, with the company commander by my side, I was giving them covering fire -- and then they discovered what was going on.

Fortunately for my conscience, nobody was hurt by shell fragments, but the patrol leader died from a gunshot wound.

Identifying individuals in a firefight is next to impossible. And the number of friendly fire incidents over the years is probably at least a thousand, maybe ten thousand, percent greater than has ever been reported. Unless there's a high-profile death such as Gen. Teddy Roosevelt in WW2 or Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, they don't get mentioned...

Jim, I also want to thank you for your sacrifices. Your post made me remember parts of the radio chatter tonight from all the LEOs working the scene. The amount of care to detail they took to get every single LEO or innocent out of the line of fire/crossfire was very apparent. I remember several checks until every last person was in a safe position before they proceeded.

Having once been involved (although only on the extreme periphery) of what turned out to be a friendly firefight, in the spring of 1953 a few miles south of the 38th parallel, I can assure you this is an understatement. The fight was between the point and the rear of the same small patrol, which was probing an area well out from the MLR. The point reported Chinese in the area, the rear saw movement and opened fire, and the point returned the fire. As the artillery observer in a bunker back at the MLR, with the company commander by my side, I was giving them covering fire -- and then they discovered what was going on.

Fortunately for my conscience, nobody was hurt by shell fragments, but the patrol leader died from a gunshot wound.

Identifying individuals in a firefight is next to impossible. And the number of friendly fire incidents over the years is probably at least a thousand, maybe ten thousand, percent greater than has ever been reported. Unless there's a high-profile death such as Gen. Teddy Roosevelt in WW2 or Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, they don't get mentioned...


Thank you for your service. #lovefromabrother

Indeed - the "fog of war" is real and nearly impossible to comprehend unless you have experienced it. Those 38th Parallel guys were a tough bunch....

So glad this guy is alive (for now).

Reports of internal bleeding, but they will put great medical staff on this guy to keep him alive.


Nice job by the agencies up there.

Good posts guys...

So glad this guy is alive (for now).

Reports of internal bleeding, but they will put great medical staff on this guy to keep him alive.


Nice job by the agencies up there.

He stayed alive this long so I'm sure he will live. If they didn't find him when they did he would have probably died overnight. Now he will die later when the Feds stick a needle in him.

He stayed alive this long so I'm sure he will live. If they didn't find him when they did he would have probably died overnight. Now he will die later when the Feds stick a needle in him.

Which that brings up a point they just mentioned on CNN. Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty, so it'll come down to a capital charge by the federal gov't in order for that to happen. Which probably will.

My understanding from the press conference is that they didn't read him is Miranda rights. If they do I doubt we hear anything from him - ever. His lawer well tell him to just keep his mouth shut. I hope they do go the death penalty route though. He is only 19 so he should live a long time in a 4X6 cell by himself.

I'm not sure if you know how much respect you lose from the average adult when you "speculate" like that. Man, when bullets are flying and at night, in an urban area, with speeding cars, its insanely hard to keep track of one person. Have you ever tried? If you've not been in a firefight, I'd suggest you leave silly speculations about how hard it is or isn't to manage outcomes to yourself. You say you don't want to denigrate the work of the police and yet you are grasping for anything, anything at all that might allow you to harbor a grudge against their actions. Grasping again, when you've got zero experience in these things and no insight into how the events played out on the scene. So instead of sounding like you are honestly curious, you sound desperate at best and arrogant and disrespectful at worst.

Again, I suggest you leave your thoughts to yourself but feel free to "remove all doubt".

Way, way out there Sid. You seem determined to twist my words and attribute motivations to me that have no basis in reality. If you want to challenge my comments, stick to what I actually said instead of interpreting them to suit your own point of view. You are going way, way out from what I said and you are dead wrong about why I said them. Sorry I hit a nerve with you but to be fair, you seem springloaded and looking for something to jump on. I wasn't attacking the police and believe you overreacted, frankly. Lighten up and try not to read into things. Is there no room to question without being personally attacked?

My understanding from the press conference is that they didn't read him is Miranda rights. If they do I doubt we hear anything from him - ever. His lawer well tell him to just keep his mouth shut. I hope they do go the death penalty route though. He is only 19 so he should live a long time in a 4X6 cell by himself.
The death penalty is too quick and easy of a punishment to go through. I'd sooner he rot in a 4x6 or smaller cell that's hopefully colorless and devoid of anything resembling entertainment along with the same bland food and water every day. If they want to put him with other inmates so he can get beaten and raped, then fine with me.

The death penalty is too quick and easy of a punishment to go through. I'd sooner he rot in a 4x6 or smaller cell that's hopefully colorless and devoid of anything resembling entertainment along with the same bland food and water every day. If they want to put him with other inmates so he can get beaten and raped, then fine with me.

Sorry Bunty, there was darn typo that totally changed the meaning of my post. I hope they DON'T go for the death penalty. I would rather he sit in a small cell by himself for 60 years. Several years ago I got to sit in a maximum security cell for a few minutes (as part of a jail tour). A few days of that and he will be begging for death and it won't come for 60 more years.

Way, way out there Sid. You seem determined to twist my words and attribute motivations to me that have no basis in reality. If you want to challenge my comments, stick to what I actually said instead of interpreting them to suit your own point of view. You are going way, way out from what I said and you are dead wrong about why I said them. Sorry I hit a nerve with you but to be fair, you seem springloaded and looking for something to jump on. I wasn't attacking the police and believe you overreacted, frankly. Lighten up and try not to read into things. Is there no room to question without being personally attacked?

Just because people disagree or challenge opinions doesn't mean they are leveling a personal attack. When ideas and opinions are challenged does not automatically equal and agenda to directly attack a person and the victim mentality is quite unbecoming of some on this board. Too many times are people dishing out harsh criticisms of others but when it is returned they can take it and play victim. Enough is enough. Highly respected members of this board, who risked their life serving our country, pointed out valid concerns of comments being made and all of a sudden they are the bad guys? Pathetic.

Sorry Bunty, there was darn typo that totally changed the meaning of my post. I hope they DON'T go for the death penalty. I would rather he sit in a small cell by himself for 60 years. Several years ago I got to sit in a maximum security cell for a few minutes (as part of a jail tour). A few days of that and he will be begging for death and it won't come for 60 more years.

I figured that is what you were saying. Your third sentence didn't really flow with the other parts so figured it was a typo. I completely agree. No to the death penalty. Make him rot for 70 years in jail.

Just because people disagree or challenge opinions doesn't mean they are leveling a personal attack. When ideas and opinions are challenged does not automatically equal and agenda to directly attack a person and the victim mentality is quite unbecoming of some on this board. Too many times are people dishing out harsh criticisms of others but when it is returned they can take it and play victim. Enough is enough. Highly respected members of this board, who risked their life serving our country, pointed out valid concerns of comments being made and all of a sudden they are the bad guys? Pathetic.

Beautifully put. Not you aiming it at PQ, but the overall point of it.