I started collecting years ago before it became a fad and i have over 10 different weapons. Im a big smith and wesson fan and im fond of 9mm round (world wide availability and price) and have sw bodyguard 380 that i cc. If you are going any place where you need 15 shots at your disposal your going to the wrong types of places. I have some of those scary rifles and different types of handguns but the best home defense weapon is a shotgun. Just shoot one at a target and it puts all debate to bed.

Murrica!

but seriously, if you're new to guns like most people in recent years practice safe handling at the range and safe gun ownership at home. i usually dont comment on these types of threads because its just nonsense from new gun fans that dont really know much about weapons and want to talk about how red state they are or how it prepares them for zombies ---wait thats last year ---this year its obama.

this is a dangerous fad that needs to end. the weapons that are the most dangerous to all of us (law abiding americans) are unsecured weapons inside of our homes. curious young kids or troubled teenagers getting ahold of there unsecured parents weapons and using them to make a statement.

get a quick access bedside safe and true gun safe for your other weapons.

I'd like to have a 12 gauge Mossberg combo kit that has interchangeable short and long barrels plus interchangeable stock and pistol grip so the gun can be kept around for a short in the house (or office) defense weapon or fitted up and used on clays. But with the gun buying frenzy going on I don't want it bad enough to spend the time finding one. That would also mean some thought about how to secure it and I don't really like most of the options. My handgun is in a small pushbutton safe. A shotgun would need a larger one or trigger locks that would have to be fumbled with. Seems like it might be just more dollars and PITA. The other guns are in a full size gun safe in a utility room which makes them even less ready in an emergency situation as it would with a shotgun if I bought one.
I have considered that Mossberg combo because I would like to try some skeet/trap shooting and it looks like a cost effective into intro home defense and sport shooting.

I did pick up a S&W M&P 9mm last month (my first firearm) but all handgun ammo seems to be scarce up here in the Denver area, yesterday at Gander Mountain there was only 3 boxes of self-defense ammo at 25 rounds for $30.00. The store/range where I bought mine has had hard time keeping any pistol ammo in stock. I need to find a brick of target ammo to get some practice in.

As for storage we have a safe in our bedroom closet with a quick access code and keep it in there. We also have an alarm in the house with a GSM dialer so we have passive and active protection.

Rugers are junk, and AR's aren't "assault" rifles, that's just a scary make believe libtard term

Don't know many people that would agree with that. Curious what your reasoning is?


I started collecting years ago before it became a fad and i have over 10 different weapons. Im a big smith and wesson fan and im fond of 9mm round (world wide availability and price) and have sw bodyguard 380 that i cc. If you are going any place where you need 15 shots at your disposal your going to the wrong types of places. I have some of those scary rifles and different types of handguns but the best home defense weapon is a shotgun. Just shoot one at a target and it puts all debate to bed.

Murrica!

but seriously, if you're new to guns like most people in recent years practice safe handling at the range and safe gun ownership at home. i usually dont comment on these types of threads because its just nonsense from new gun fans that dont really know much about weapons and want to talk about how red state they are or how it prepares them for zombies ---wait thats last year ---this year its obama.

this is a dangerous fad that needs to end. the weapons that are the most dangerous to all of us (law abiding americans) are unsecured weapons inside of our homes. curious young kids or troubled teenagers getting ahold of there unsecured parents weapons and using them to make a statement.

get a quick access bedside safe and true gun safe for your other weapons.

I 100% agree with this. I've gotten asked lately from a young couple with a newborn what the best solution is for keeping a "loaded" gun in their house for home defense. They've recently been burglarized and the first thing that came to my mind was one of those quick-safes with bio-metrics.

I think the biggest problem out there is unsafe gun owners. It's like anything, they give the rest of us a bad image.

Not personally a huge Ruger fan, but many of their long guns have outstanding out-of-the box accuracy. Great factory trigger assemblies.

Not personally a huge Ruger fan, but many of their long guns have outstanding out-of-the box accuracy. Great factory trigger assemblies.

ditto im not a huge ruger or taurus fan but this is all personal opinion. anymore even cheaper handguns have great reliability.

i only own colts and smith and wessons, i've never got onto the glock bandwagon even though 3 of my smith handguns are polymer based. glocks are excellent guns but i've never been too big on their styling.

with that said in my experience the biggest determining factor in modern handgun reliability is the ammo. i've even had my 380 get caught up on some steel russian ammo after burning through a few clips. bedside i keep hornady critical defense loaded but im not going to burn through that at the range - especially now days when you cant even find ammo at walmart or online with out a huge backorder.

The Glocks tend to be a love 'em or hate 'em gun. I'm not keen on the styling, but they sure do have quite the reputation. I feel like the Gen4's look a little better, but I'm more concerned about reliability the the pure aesthetics of a gun.

The Glocks tend to be a love 'em or hate 'em gun. I'm not keen on the styling, but they sure do have quite the reputation. I feel like the Gen4's look a little better, but I'm more concerned about reliability the the pure aesthetics of a gun.When I was deciding on a carry weapon a few years ago I went to H&H and spent a lot of time and money renting every 9mm in their fleet and shooting all types/brands of ammo through each. The only gun that didn't have a single mis-feed or mis-fire was the Glock. My Glock 26 has had around 4000 rounds through it and not one single glitch. If I ever NEED my weapon I don't care what it looks like, I care that it works.



Took my Ruger SR22 again to the gun range and man this is a fantastic little pistol to shoot. This thing will eat any bullet, practically flawless through a some old Remington's and a half of bulk federals. Anyone looking for a little .22 to shoot for fun, I think the SR22 is the way to go. Comes with 2 mags which is awesome, but went ahead and bought 2 more because it just makes shooting that much more fun.I also have an SR22 with 4 mags. I always take it to the range when I go for practice with the Glock since 22 ammo is way cheaper and I can shoot more that way.

When I was deciding on a carry weapon a few years ago I went to H&H and spent a lot of time and money renting every 9mm in their fleet and shooting all types/brands of ammo through each. The only gun that didn't have a single mis-feed or mis-fire was the Glock. My Glock 26 has had around 4000 rounds through it and not one single glitch. If I ever NEED my weapon I don't care what it looks like, I care that it works.


I also have an SR22 with 4 mags. I always take it to the range when I go for practice with the Glock since 22 ammo is way cheaper and I can shoot more that way.

I'm with you especially on a carry weapon. If it doesn't fire it's worthless. I really plan on getting a G17 or 19 one of these days. I'm by no means a Glock fanboy, but there is a reason there is such a following.

I can't wait to get my extra 2 mags. Going to be a blast at the range. Probably blow through 4 times the ammo now, but it's cheap enough. Too bad there really isn't any around right now.

ditto im not a huge ruger or taurus fan but this is all personal opinion. anymore even cheaper handguns have great reliability.

i only own colts and smith and wessons, i've never got onto the glock bandwagon even though 3 of my smith handguns are polymer based. glocks are excellent guns but i've never been too big on their styling.

with that said in my experience the biggest determining factor in modern handgun reliability is the ammo. i've even had my 380 get caught up on some steel russian ammo after burning through a few clips. bedside i keep hornady critical defense loaded but im not going to burn through that at the range - especially now days when you cant even find ammo at walmart or online with out a huge backorder.

Ruger handguns are usually less reliable, the 1st trigger pull has a different trigger resistance than following pulls. They're is a reason law enforcement and military carry Glocks, Kimber's and S&W. Reliability when it matters most.

Steel ammo is junk, that's another problem, and lastly, they're magazines not clips. Don't buy into the liberal spin.

When I was deciding on a carry weapon a few years ago I went to H&H and spent a lot of time and money renting every 9mm in their fleet and shooting all types/brands of ammo through each. The only gun that didn't have a single mis-feed or mis-fire was the Glock. My Glock 26 has had around 4000 rounds through it and not one single glitch. If I ever NEED my weapon I don't care what it looks like, I care that it works.


I also have an SR22 with 4 mags. I always take it to the range when I go for practice with the Glock since 22 ammo is way cheaper and I can shoot more that way.

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Ruger handguns are usually less reliable, the 1st trigger pull has a different trigger resistance than following pulls. They're is a reason law enforcement and military carry Glocks, Kimber's and S&W. Reliability when it matters most.

Steel ammo is junk, that's another problem, and lastly, they're magazines not clips. Don't buy into the liberal spin.

No doubt they are less reliable, but for a practice/plinking gun you don't always need the most reliable out there. I've recently looked into picking up a 1911 and was convinced I wanted Kimber. After doing more and more research I've found they have quite of few issues of their own which is very unfortunate for their price. A lot of times the right ammo (or wrong for that case) can make a gun better or worse. Any DA/SA gun is going to have different trigger pulls between the 1st and 2nd pull that's the nature of the beast. But like you said there is a reason why cops carry Glocks and S&W, but you also pay a premium for that. Good money spent if it is a carry weapon or home defense.

Glock's don't, nor do they malfunction, unless you're REALLY doing something wrong or stupid.

Glock's don't, nor do they malfunction, unless you're REALLY doing something wrong or stupid.

I've seen some Glock torture tests in the past on Youtube where they take those drum mags and run one after another to where the gun is almost red hot and never has an issue. Great guns.

Be mindful that law enforcement selects firearms for a variety of different reasons, none of which is a home defense application. I'm not suggesting the handguns described above won't suit home defense needs, but don't make that choice based on what a law enforcement agency carries unless you know why they selected those particular guns. And I'm unaware of any state, local or federal agency in Oklahoma that issues Kimbers. Some agencies have "approved" lists that allow officers or agents to carry personal firearms, some of which may be Kimbers, but that would be rare.

And trigger "resistance" has little to do with Ruger or any other manufacturer. That's driven by the configuration of the gun. If that's the reason anyone labels them as "junk", I suppose that would apply to Sigs, which is absurd. If you don't like your trigger pull, change it.

*note, I never limited this to Oklahoma standards

*note, I never limited this to Oklahoma standards

Also, are you saying a less reliable gun is OK for home defense? What if it's unreliable or malfunctions when you need it to defend?

*note, I never limited this to Oklahoma standards

Also, are you saying a less reliable gun is OK for home defense? What if it's unreliable or malfunctions when you need it to defend?

Not at all. Reliability is certainly a top variable to consider. My point was that many people, in my experience, automatically assume that because a law enforcement agency selects a particular firearm, that same firearm would in turn be the right weapon for them. Law enforcement certainly considers reliability, but also takes into account many other factors that a person concerned with home defense would not need to consider. A person looking at a home defense firearm needs to make that decision based on their particular circumstances, which aren't likely to be the same as a person making those decisions in a law enforcement application. Reliability is a common denominator, but in reality not the only consideration. Tactical teams use some extremely reliable weapons - but many would be really poor home defense choices.

I'll add another important consideration (a little tongue in cheek): availability. I was in H & H today - never seen the shelves so empty. You might find a .22, a single action revolver, or high-end 1911, but that was basically it with only a few exceptions. Not sure what I would do if I was shopping for a firearm right now - not very much selection.

Not at all. Reliability is certainly a top variable to consider. My point was that many people, in my experience, automatically assume that because a law enforcement agency selects a particular firearm, that same firearm would in turn be the right weapon for them. Law enforcement certainly considers reliability, but also takes into account many other factors that a person concerned with home defense would not need to consider. A person looking at a home defense firearm needs to make that decision based on their particular circumstances, which aren't likely to be the same as a person making those decisions in a law enforcement application. Reliability is a common denominator, but in reality not the only consideration. Tactical teams use some extremely reliable weapons - but many would be really poor home defense choices.

I'll add another important consideration (a little tongue in cheek): availability. I was in H & H today - never seen the shelves so empty. You might find a .22, a single action revolver, or high-end 1911, but that was basically it with only a few exceptions. Not sure what I would do if I was shopping for a firearm right now - not very much selection.

Your options are to go the private route, or hit up the pawn shops right now. H&H is usually on the high side and cheaper guns can be had elsewhere. Overall now is not the time to be trying to buy guns or ammo unfortunately.

Your options are to go the private route, or hit up the pawn shops right now. H&H is usually on the high side and cheaper guns can be had elsewhere. Overall now is not the time to be trying to buy guns or ammo unfortunately.

Maybe it just depends on the gun. I have a few friends that collect guns and they often buy (and always price) H&H. They claim H&H has good to average prices on many of their firearms and their markup is not much and their selection (usually) is vast. I know when I've looked in the past I didn't feel their prices where really any higher than most any other retailer.

Maybe it just depends on the gun. I have a few friends that collect guns and they often buy (and always price) H&H. They claim H&H has good to average prices on many of their firearms and their markup is not much and their selection (usually) is vast. I know when I've looked in the past I didn't feel their prices where really any higher than most any other retailer.

Well maybe it's the market right now, because when I've priced there within the past year they were always a good $50 to $100 more than other gun shops and pawn shops. I just figured this was because they were bigger and had a better selection, but I also tend to shop around and get the cheapest deal. I know some places price match such as Academy and Bass Pro as long as the other places has it in stock.

I wanted to update this as I finally got around to apply for my SDA permit. I took the class a few months ago and it was very educational as far as the law is concerned. I would say the majority of the class was telling you what you could and couldn't do. There was a healthy amount of gun safety as well as general rules on handling a firearm, but this wasn't as interesting to me as I've had that sort of training. Getting everything for the application is probably the worst part. Going to the Sheriff's office to get fingerprinted also took some time, but now I play the waiting game for my license.

Just discovered this thread. Some background. I'm a retired law enforcement officer, OKC PD and 20 years U.S. Army. I have my CCW permit and am a Glock fanboy, owning a G22 as primary carry and G26 as pocket weapon for trips to supermarket in shorts, etc. A caveat with Glocks is that you must, must have trigger finger discipline if you carry cocked & locked. In the Army I carried a good ol' 1911 .45 ACP and a Baretta 9mm. I have pulled numerous times on duty and fired once, hitting and knocking down but not killing a subject, in 23 years or so of carrying (excluding Vietnam which is a whole 'nother tale). One thing I've noticed is that the topic of FMJ vs JHP for stopping power and what happens after you launch the bullet hasn't been discussed. A JHP will expand enroute and within your target and stay there (for the most part). It will do max damage and depending on where you hit one shot will be enough. I wouldn't shoot anything smaller than a 9mm. .22s tend to just piss someone off, especially if you need to defend against someone on drugs, alcohol or with mental problems. If you are going to carry just getting the CCW is not enough. Train, practice, train, practice and then train and practice more. Don't consider going to the range and shooting a paper target a few yards down range as training or practice. I never investigated someone having to defend themselves from an attacking paper target.

Don't consider going to the range and shooting a paper target a few yards down range as training or practice. I never investigated someone having to defend themselves from an attacking paper target.
Interesting... I wasn't aware that there were "live target" practice ranges available. I agree, the paper targets have gotten old and just don't provide a challenge... live, realistic targets would provide much more useful practice.

A search reveals several combat handgun or defensive training schools in Oklahoma although I haven't attended any of them. There are numerous schools nationwide which provide excellent training. There may be local trainers who provide defensive training but don't know any off the top of my head. Check out the U.S. Practical Shooting Association Welcome to USPSA.org - Home of the United States Practical Shooting Association (http://www.uspsa.org/) , and the Internation Practical Shooting Confederation International Practical Shooting Confederation (http://ipsc.org/) Even better join the U.S. Concealed Carry Association https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ for more information about education and practical training resources.

Sig Sauer P229 .357's rule. Every family should have His and Hers Sig's and
a Mossberg 500.

The Glocks tend to be a love 'em or hate 'em gun.
The 19 has become almost legendary. It's a good gun.

... live, realistic targets would provide much more useful practice.
In the 60's my brother and I (10 & 12) would launch clay pigeons and break
them with our single shot Johnson .22. Our only rule was that you had to
break it on the way up because coming down was too easy.

If you are going to carry just getting the CCW is not enough. Train, practice, train, practice and then train and practice more. Don't consider going to the range and shooting a paper target a few yards down range as training or practice. I never investigated someone having to defend themselves from an attacking paper target.How true. I'm lucky enough to work for a law enforcement training center. I thought I would do fine if the event ever came up that I had to use my gun. Then a few years ago they acquired a virtual training set-up. I was "killed" about 80% of the time the first time I tried it out. I now try to sneak in some time on it whenever I can. It's really taught me to catch subtle movement and such that might make the difference if I ever do end up in a defense situation.

Interesting... I wasn't aware that there were "live target" practice ranges
available. I agree, the paper targets have gotten old and just don't provide
a challenge... live, realistic targets would provide much more useful practice.
In real life don't most hold ups and break ins occur within a few feet and
without much movement? I'm not discounting the fun of shooting a
moving target.

If you want a moving target go bird and squirrel hunting.

How true. I'm lucky enough to work for a law enforcement training center. I thought I would do fine if the event ever came up that I had to use my gun. Then a few years ago they acquired a virtual training set-up. I was "killed" about 80% of the time the first time I tried it out. I now try to sneak in some time on it whenever I can. It's really taught me to catch subtle movement and such that might make the difference if I ever do end up in a defense situation.
I wish gun ranges would consider adding these to their facilities; I know that the initial startup cost is daunting, but it seems to me that there would be sufficient demand by permit holders in this state to make it sustainable.

The 19 has become almost legendary. It's a good gun.

Very true. I've wanted to pick one up, just haven't found the right deal. I've found a good deal on what most call the Glock's main competitor, M&P9. Can't wait to get it.

I have a S&W M&P9, wish I would've bought the .40 just for ammo availability, 9mm has been hard to find up here.

I have a S&W M&P9, wish I would've bought the .40 just for ammo availability, 9mm has been hard to find up here.

That's surprising. Exact opposite down here. I hate the price of the .40. Practically the same price has a .45 for anything worth a damn. Of course I like 9mm as it is one of the most common ammo in the world next to .22LR.

I have a S&W M&P9, wish I would've bought the .40 just for ammo
availability, 9mm has been hard to find up here.
I've ordered ammunition from Cheaper than Dirt (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=647) They even have a phone
so you can order from a human being.

Cheaper than Dirt isn't really. This link finds any ammo in the country, some really cheap. Ammo :: Ammunition :: Ammo For Sale : Cheap Ammo : Find Ammunition at AmmoSeek.com (http://ammoseek.com/) Next is a neat tool to find ammo at Wal-Mart. Use it to find really cheap ammo. http://ammo-can.net/ The only problem with ordering ammo by mail is the shipping costs which can be quite expensive.

CTD had what I wanted at a price I was willing to pay. If there are other
sites that have what I want for less I'll gladly use them. At the time
nobody had the ammunition I needed.

Thanks for your help. I'll look into it.

The 19 has become almost legendary. It's a good gun.

Just saw Heartland has 19s in stock.

Cheaper than Dirt isn't really. This link finds any ammo in the country, some really cheap. Ammo :: Ammunition :: Ammo For Sale : Cheap Ammo : Find Ammunition at AmmoSeek.com (http://ammoseek.com/) Next is a neat tool to find ammo at Wal-Mart. Use it to find really cheap ammo. http://ammo-can.net/ The only problem with ordering ammo by mail is the shipping costs which can be quite expensive.

Yeah I was buying ammo online, but like you said it starts to get real expensive with their shipping. Academy has seemed to keep it in stock and their prices are normal.

Here lately I've had the best luck using the Wal-mart ammo finder. Here in Norman at least, Academy never has what I need, .40 cal., except way overpriced JHP. Even then it's been very limited or out of stock. For about the last year, Academy hasn't ever had ball ammo in .40. Yesterday both Norman Wal-marts had some. Gone today. Checking just now, two OKC stores and MWC have .40 cal.

Finally joining the AR club. Hopefully it comes in next week.

S&W M&P15.

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Thought was pretty neat

GUNS AND SELF-DEFENSE: Map shows where guns have been used in defense of self, property | News OK (http://newsok.com/guns-and-self-defense-map-shows-where-guns-have-been-used-in-defense-of-self-property/article/4951520)

I've wanted to get a pistol caliber carbine for awhile and the main ones I've seen are the Kel-Tec sub-2000 and Hi-Point. Came across this today, pretty cool design. If it they ever do one for the S&W M&P line I may pick one up.

MechTech - Home (http://www.mechtechsys.com/)

Took me 10 months on the Omega, but finally get my last suppressor stamp. Now all my firearms are suppressed which makes shooting so much nicer, and quieter.

http://i.imgur.com/kADiwHM.jpg

Is that an Osprey on your M&P pistol? If so, how are you liking it compared to the others?

Is that an Osprey on your M&P pistol? If so, how are you liking it compared to the others?

Yes it sure is. I like it a lot. Very light weight and very quiet.

Nice. Have you shot it wet? I'm told it is significantly quieter that way.

Wow, as long as I've been on this forum, I didn't know we had a firearms thread!

I've seen a lot of posts here about having a shotgun as a primary home defense weapon but I've spent many hours on other gun sites and there is a ton of support for a carbine as the best home defense weapon. I have a Remington Police 870 and used to own a 16" barrel AR-15 and the difference, as far as handling characteristics, is like comparing a bus to family sedan. The AR is much easier to handle in the confines of a house and the high velocity, very low mass 5.56 bullets have a high chance of fragmenting when they hit an unintended target, rather than over-penetrating and going God knows where.

The recent incident in Broken Arrow is an interesting study. Three home invaders, all three dead. An AR is an extremely easy to aim weapon with very little recoil but I've read the young man who lived in the home also peppered the entire area with stray rounds, including the fridge. It's hard to overestimate the impact of fear and adrenaline. Plus, I would not want to go up against three guys with my 870.

As far as handguns go, my G19 is the only firearm I own that I will never get rid of, under any circumstances. I have a small list of "wants" in handguns, including a 1911, Beretta 92FS, BHP and I really should get a .22 semi-auto. My nieces would love it!

I've been shooting my entire life and I have far fewer guns than I should and I shoot far less often than I should

Nice. Have you shot it wet? I'm told it is significantly quieter that way.

I've shot them all wet. The biggest think I notice when doing so is getting rid of that first round pop you get. Other than that I don't notice much difference.

Wow, as long as I've been on this forum, I didn't know we had a firearms thread!

I've seen a lot of posts here about having a shotgun as a primary home defense weapon but I've spent many hours on other gun sites and there is a ton of support for a carbine as the best home defense weapon. I have a Remington Police 870 and used to own a 16" barrel AR-15 and the difference, as far as handling characteristics, is like comparing a bus to family sedan. The AR is much easier to handle in the confines of a house and the high velocity, very low mass 5.56 bullets have a high chance of fragmenting when they hit an unintended target, rather than over-penetrating and going God knows where.

The recent incident in Broken Arrow is an interesting study. Three home invaders, all three dead. An AR is an extremely easy to aim weapon with very little recoil but I've read the young man who lived in the home also peppered the entire area with stray rounds, including the fridge. It's hard to overestimate the impact of fear and adrenaline. Plus, I would not want to go up against three guys with my 870.

As far as handguns go, my G19 is the only firearm I own that I will never get rid of, under any circumstances. I have a small list of "wants" in handguns, including a 1911, Beretta 92FS, BHP and I really should get a .22 semi-auto. My nieces would love it!

I've been shooting my entire life and I have far fewer guns than I should and I shoot far less often than I should


The BA case is real interesting. I hadn't heard how many rounds he shot off only that he hit each one only once. Which shows the effectiveness IMO of the AR. Having said that my AR is locked in my safe which I highly doubt is going to be accessible in a B&E. I have a XD45 in a biometric safe in my room that I'd use. My plan has always been to barricade myself in my room with my wife and info intruders I'm armed in that room and to take what they want and leave. I see no reason to seek the intruders out and engage if I can help it. Hopefully the case with the kid in BA is clear cut for his sake.

The BA case is real interesting. I hadn't heard how many rounds he shot off only that he hit each one only once. Which shows the effectiveness IMO of the AR. Having said that my AR is locked in my safe which I highly doubt is going to be accessible in a B&E. I have a XD45 in a biometric safe in my room that I'd use. My plan has always been to barricade myself in my room with my wife and info intruders I'm armed in that room and to take what they want and leave. I see no reason to seek the intruders out and engage if I can help it. Hopefully the case with the kid in BA is clear cut for his sake.

Like most big news stories, I've heard several versions of how many rounds he fired and how many times each person was hit. The 911 tape is out and transcribed and he believed that he had only hit two of them and that the third one got away. He also stated he could still hear one of them talking after he locked himself in his bedroom. There is even talk that two of the guys were hit and/or killed by a single round.

From what I've read, barricading in place is the best strategy but I have mixed feelings about making my presence known. It might scare them off or it might result in a hail of bullets flying my way. I lean toward silence and just ambushing them if they enter the room.

About seven years ago, we actually had a forced entry at 3:45 am while we slept. Our nieces were here and they literally stayed up all night on the weekends and we thought the banging was them horsing around but the final, hard kick that opened the door was so loud and jarring, we thought they somehow knocked something really heavy over and into a wall. We rushed to investigate and I didn't even think to grab my G19. Fortunately, the intruders heard our voices and left before we could see them. The motion sensor lights on both the front and back doors were activated and the back gate was open. I caught a glimpse of their darked out car pulling away. After experiencing that, I have ZERO sympathy for anyone who B&E's and I will show no mercy unless they turn their back to me and run.

I agree. You break into someone else's house you better expect that's the last moment you have on earth. Anyone who thinks any differently I have no use for. I think the best bet is to lay low and hope they are just there for a grab and go. I truly never ever want to use my guns for anything other than target shooting. That was my primary reason for purchase. Self defense is just an added bonus if you will.

I picked up one of my Grail guns last weekend. I've wanted a Beretta 92 since 1987 when I saw Lethal Weapon but never got around to buying one. My dad picked up a Taurus PT92 on the cheap and a few days ago, he gave it to me. I took it to the range today and it was everything I remember the Beretta to be. First pull of the trigger was in the bullseye! I'm more of a "point-and-shoot" guy but I was impressed with the accuracy.

I love the well used look and old faded wooden grips but I also like the idea of brand new Hogue grips and a re-blue or maybe Cerakote. Maybe I'll finally just pony up for a Beretta so I can get one with night sights.


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I picked up one of my Grail guns last weekend. I've wanted a Beretta 92 since 1987 when I saw Lethal Weapon but never got around to buying one. My dad picked up a Taurus PT92 on the cheap and a few days ago, he gave it to me. I took it to the range today and it was everything I remember the Beretta to be. First pull of the trigger was in the bullseye! I'm more of a "point-and-shoot" guy but I was impressed with the accuracy.

I love the well used look and old faded wooden grips but I also like the idea of brand new Hogue grips and a re-blue or maybe Cerakote. Maybe I'll finally just pony up for a Beretta so I can get one with night sights.


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As much as I know that the Taurus is a good gun you should go for the Beretta. If that's the gun you always wanted, get the real thing. You'll be glad you did.

Speaking of Taurus...this class action law suit on some of their pistols has been going on for awhile. I'm not much of a gun person besides owning a few, and didn't hear about it until January of this year. The PT92 is not on the list. My 24/7 Pro 9mm is. Settlement is still held up by appeals, which isn't anywhere on the website, but is on the recording at the phone number posted.

https://www.tauruscartersettlement.com/

As much as I know that the Taurus is a good gun you should go for the Beretta. If that's the gun you always wanted, get the real thing. You'll be glad you did.

I'm tickled to death with my Taurus and would be happy to have it be my sole representative of this style but after one trip to the range with the 92, my Glock has already become a red-headed stepchild. If the 92 replaces the Glock on my nightstand, it would probably be temporary until I can get a Beretta with night sights. I was astonished to find that most Beretta's have non-replaceable sights that are not night-sights. That's unbelievable to me, in this day and age of defensive handguns.

I also have a PT-24/7 and signed up for the class action site, thanks for sharing. In general, I'm a Taurus fan. This is the second one I've owned and I've considered others.

I've had one Taurus and it just wasn't reliable enough for me. I'm not going to trust my life to something I don't fee like is going to go bang every time I pull the trigger. For me I always stick with the big boys, S&W, Springfield, Ruger, and Glock. Pretty much all my guns with the exception of my Mossberg 500 are one of those brands. You definitely get what you pay for. I'm well aware there are other guns by other manufacturers that are just as reliable, but as a rule of thumb, especially when I'm recommending one to a friend, I always say stick with those brands and you'll never be disappointed. I used to not be so brand picky, but recently I went through all my guns and if they couldn't reliably shoot any ammo, no matter how crappy or dirty, I got rid of them.

I've had my Taurus since 2004 and have had no issues. I had my previous Taurus for years as well before selling it. Just saying.

I've had my Taurus since 2004 and have had no issues. I had my previous Taurus for years as well before selling it. Just saying.

I think it's all in what you want. I also think some are better than others. All the different Taurus's I've used, and I'm referring to semi-auto only, have had little quirks I just wasn't found of. I know quality control with them isn't on the same level as for example Smith & Wesson. That being said I know they are a lot more competitive on revolvers.

I've been totally happy with my 24/7 Pro. I bought it because I was looking for a 9mm, it was awarded NRA gun of the year right before I bought it and the price was right. I've had zero issues with it, but apparently it's a dangerous animal. The two options on the class action suit are to give it up for $200 or less, depending on how many decide they want money, or swap it for a new 9mm G2, which is about a $200 gun, plus you have to go to the hassle of having the G2 shipped back via an FFL. I'll probably take the money.