Two news items today involving our only real LCC...

Republic's CEO, Bryan Bedford, announced they are talking with an investment group to buy Frontier by the end of the year. Republic has also stopped all investment in the subsidiary right now. Which screams "we are done with this money pit, someone take it."

Frontier will be cutting OKC back to just one flight a day going into January. My opinion...the end is near for them here. They are already dumping ABQ in January, so I wouldn't be shocked if we are next.

Still showing 2 daily 319's in February.

I do agree their days are numbered here though.

Still showing 2 daily 319's in February.

I do agree their days are numbered here though.

Maybe it I was just lucking out when hitting random days in Jan and Feb on their website. LOL

I'll look on Sunday. All of the airlines reservations sync Saturdays at midnight, so my airline's system might be showing an old schedule for F9.

Here's what I see for Jan/Feb

2x on SUN MON THU FRI
1x TUE WED SAT

All A319

I bet I kept clicking on Tues/Weds. :)

Two state airports have filed requests under the Small Community Air Service Development grant program.

Stillwater (SWO) has applied for funds to attract American Eagle service to Dallas/Fort Worth.

Lawton (LAW) has applied for funds to retain service by American Eagle to DFW.

Their applications should be available soon to view the specifics of what is being proposed.

Two state airports have filed requests under the Small Community Air Service Development grant program.

Stillwater (SWO) has applied for funds to attract American Eagle service to Dallas/Fort Worth.

Lawton (LAW) has applied for funds to retain service by American Eagle to DFW.

Their applications should be available soon to view the specifics of what is being proposed.

Thoughts? I see LAW retaining service more important than SWO gaining service. LAW requires a 1+ hr drive to OKC or 2+ hr drive to DFW, but SWO is 1 hr either way to OKC or Tulsa.

Thoughts? I see LAW retaining service more important than SWO gaining service. LAW requires a 1+ hr drive to OKC or 2+ hr drive to DFW, but SWO is 1 hr either way to OKC or Tulsa.

I want to see the numbers they are asking for and what demand they are expecting, but some thoughts...

LAW retaining service is definitely needed for that part of the state. It is pretty well detached and still has a decent passenger base. We are also looking at a good amount of government traffic going through there. I'll have to pull some numbers on how AA actually performs out of there to go much further.

SWO seems like a shot in the dark. It would require upgrades to put in a TSA check point and such in their terminal building, which I'm not sure the condition it is in. It is also going to be tough to provide comparable fares to TUL or OKC using high cost 50-seat jets since airlines have shed most of their turboprop aircraft. There will also be very little new service added by American until the US Airways team has full control and they get through playing connect the dots with the US hubs and AA-only stations.

To be honest, I think Norman would be more capable of supporting RJ service to Dallas than Stillwater right now. However, we aren't anywhere near the point of needing to use OUN as a reliever airport yet (probably never will).

Im surprised that Woodward or even Guymon hasn't applied for service to DEN via Great Lakes. I brought this up many moons ago but a Woodward or Guymon routing to DEN via Liberal/(Insert some small Kansas town here) could work. You talk an area that is one heckuva drive to reach an airport.

Guymon is just a fourty minute drive at most to Liberal.... Have you ever tried to get Great Lakes out of Liberal lots of breakdowns and very little customer service when they do break down. Woodward maybe either thru Liberal or Dodge City

From the center of Woodward to WRWA it is 139 miles, to Liberal it is 117 miles and to DCK it is 112 miles. Most people in Woodward would rather drive the extra few miles to OKC and have many more options on airlines and departure times.

Woodward had service at one point on I think Big Sky (as well as others) going that direction. EAS contract was dropped and the airline moved on. I believe fed law prohibits them becoming an EAS city again.

Spirit Aero CEO says he's open to selling all or part of Oklahoma operations. Came down on my TDameritrade alert today.

Spirit Aero CEO says he's open to selling all or part of Oklahoma operations. Came down on my TDameritrade alert today.

Yikes! Thats bad news for Tulsa

Lawton's SCASD grant application was posted today. Still waiting on Stillwater's to get into the details.

Details for LAW...

Grant Request Amount: $195k
State Cash: $15.6k
Airport Cash: $15k
Airport Non-Cash: $25k
Airport In-Kind: $10k
Other In-King: $120K

Total: $380.6k

Again, this grant application will be used to retain American to Dallas. AA's load factor for 2012 was 64% up from 56% in 2011. However pax levels dropped to 52k (from 61) and had 82k total seats (down from 108k).

Details: DOT-OST-2013-0120-0036 - Proposal of Lawton, Oklahoma (Lawton-Fort Sill Regional Airport - LAW) - Federal Notice (http://www.noticeandcomment.com/Proposal-of-Lawton-Oklahoma-Lawton-Fort-Sill-Regional-Airport-LAW--fn-57506.aspx)

Yikes! Thats bad news for Tulsa

GKN (British aerospace company) is rumored to be interested in the two Oklahoma plants, and they will continue to operate.

Regarding LAW, I know some people there and in nearby Duncan that use the AA flights to DFW several times a year. I remember they also tried Atlanta on Delta but it didn't last long. Stillwater doesn't make much sense with OKC and TUL so close.

I was just in Shreveport and flew into SHV. They still have daily flights to Memphis on Delta, not sure how much longer that will last though. OKC's non-stop to Memphis ends later this month, and they ended their Tulsa flight awhile back. They also have Allegiant Air which has non-stops to Las Vegas and Orlando, also surprising for such a small airport.

Regarding LAW, I know some people there and in nearby Duncan that use the AA flights to DFW several times a year. I remember they also tried Atlanta on Delta but it didn't last long. Stillwater doesn't make much sense with OKC and TUL so close.

Atlanta was done with a SCASD grant and lasted just about a year. It was Delta's attempt to return to LAW since they left after closing the DFW hub. Still waiting on the details from SWO application to shed some light on things. With the right service it can make sense. There are plenty of small cities with commercial service right now, but what their market study is showing is what I want to see.


I was just in Shreveport... They also have Allegiant Air which has non-stops to Las Vegas and Orlando, also surprising for such a small airport.

Then you must not follow Allegiant at all. :) They are the most profitable airline right now and they do it by flying from small and underserved markets to big vacation spots: Route Map | Allegiant Air (http://www2.allegiantair.com/route-map)

Typically a city can only keep their service if they have around a 90% load factor, which should speak to the capabilities of the smaller cities.

AA will be going down to 8 daily to DFW this winter. They will be axing one of the mainline flights and it'll be the first time we drop to less than 7 mainline in awhile. Going forward it will be 6x MD80, 1x CRJ, and 1x ER4. ORD will go down to 4 daily flights served by 2x CR7, 1x ERJ-145, and 1x ERJ-140. Changes appear to be just the seasonal winter pull down, so we'll see what happens in the Spring. I would imagine ORD will go back to 5.

Everything I see shows 7 mainline still but dropping 1 eagle flight? Total of 8.

09dec-mon- alternate service\
1aa2363 okcdfw 620a 725a m80 0 105\
2aa2464 okcdfw 735a 840a m80 0 105\
3aa1011 okcdfw 825a 935a m80 0 110\
4aa2514* okcdfw 930a 1035a crj 0 105\
5aa1569 okcdfw 1055a 1200n m83 0 105\
6aa1600 okcdfw 100p 205p m80 0 105\
7aa 382 okcdfw 425p 530p m80 0 105\
8aa1492 okcdfw 645p 750p m80 0 105\

09dec-mon- alternate service\
1aa2514* dfwokc 805a 855a crj 0 050\
2aa1569 dfwokc 920a 1015a m83 0 055\
3aa1600 dfwokc 1125a 1220p m80 0 055\
4aa 382 dfwokc 250p 345p m80 0 055\
5aa1492 dfwokc 510p 605p m80 0 055\
6aa2256 dfwokc 725p 820p m80 0 055\
7aa1408 dfwokc 835p 930p m80 0 055\
8aa2274 dfwokc 1025p 1120p m80 0 055\

Hey, I'll never complain about losing an ER4. :)

Looks like December is 7 mainline 1 eagle, January 6 mainline 2 eagle. February and March show the same but those may change.

Looks like December is 7 mainline 1 eagle, January 6 mainline 2 eagle. February and March show the same but those may change.

The new schedule load went in over the weekend for Jan-Mar...so the 6 mainline 2 Eagle (technically 1 Eagle 1 connection until that's gone) seems to be here until Spring.

Not Oklahoma, but American announced 2 daily CRJ-700 flights from Little Rock to New York LaGuardia starting in November. Hopefully this is a sign that they will take a look at OKC-LGA at some point.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think OKC is at a plateau of service, at least for the time being.

Loads have pretty much flattened out, quite a few empty seats going out across the board. For August, loads have looked like February.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think OKC is at a plateau of service, at least for the time being.

Loads have pretty much flattened out, quite a few empty seats going out across the board. For August, loads have looked like February.

You are probably right. A problem for OKC, compared to others, we are somewhat isolated here. The population density isn't the same as back east or in california where you can get large population to drive 60-90 minutes to fly out of your airport.

Not Oklahoma, but American announced 2 daily CRJ-700 flights from Little Rock to New York LaGuardia starting in November. Hopefully this is a sign that they will take a look at OKC-LGA at some point.

How does Little Rock secure that service before OKC? Is it just not as popular a destination?

How does Little Rock secure that service before OKC? Is it just not as popular a destination?

This has me puzzled as well... LIT is much, much smaller city-wise than OKC - you'd think with OKC's strong economy and booming downtown we'd get NYC service first? What drives LIT-NYC traffic? Surely this isn't for the wal-mart folks bc then it would be out of XNA?

Stillwater (SWO) application is available now.

DOT-OST-2013-0120-0057 - Proposal of Stillwater Regional Airport (City of Stillwater, OK) - Federal Notice (http://www.noticeandcomment.com/Proposal-of-Stillwater-Regional-Airport-City-of-Stillwater-OK--fn-57948.aspx)

Fed Amount Requested - $447k
State cash contribution - $36k
Airport cash funds - $0
Non-airport cash funds - $3.365M (all local)
Airport in-kind contribution - $160k
Other in-kind - $250k
Total Project Cost - $4,258,600.00



Target American Airlines (Eagle/Connection) service to Dallas/Fort Worth.
Air service study indicates 674 local pax per day each way (pdew) overall - not just DFW.
In-kind airport portion would be waived fees.
SWO catchment area covers 195,000 residents.
True market study shows 20.4 pdew for SWO-DFW local O&D market. 61% use OKC with 36% using TUL and 3% using DFW.


Planned Service

2 Daily Round Trips
ERJ-145 50-seat RJs
Expecting an 82% load factor
Starting April 2014

Total cost for the year would be $11.8 million with a revenue shortfall of $1.5 million over the course of the year. By January of 2015 they expect it to be in the black making $40-45k per month.

Alternate Plan if AA declines would be United to DEN or IAH.

This is a pretty large proposal based on other SCASD grant applications, but a significant chunk of that is for the purchase of equipment to handle an airline at SWO. That is all being lumped in here as part of the revenue guarantee to ease the entry for American.

My overall feeling is 50/50 on this one being approved. The application is well done, but I'm not sure how well it'll go over. They are only asking for a relatively small portion from the DOT, so that is always a plus. The big thing here for SWO is to get 10,000 ticketed passengers through the airport per year. Why that number? As soon as they qualify they will go from getting $150k a year to well over $1 million a year from the Airport Improvement Program fund. That's huge.

I wanted to hit on the True Market Study for SWO. I love these since they show what the market (catchment) area is actually doing. I recently asked if there was one for WRWA and Ms. Karney said there wasn't a need for one so they haven't done it. So for the SWO catchment area, which is essentially North central OK or roughly 40 miles around the airport. A lot of good information here. Not huge numbers by any means, but I think it shows that SWO could support more. I think they might be a good shot at Allegiant. Regardless, the goal for them is to get over that 10k pax mark to get making more money.

Below's chart is the market share for the SWO catchment area and where people are driver to. Vast majority go to OKC unless they are going to Washington for some reason. :)


OKCTULDFWMARKETPDEWLas Vegas7127220,61728.2Washington,2179020,50328.1Hous ton,7524020,00627.4Denver,7129019,21426.3Orlando,6 236217,02723.3Phoenix,5543215,24920.9Dallas,683201 4,85820.4Chicago,6039112,10116.6Atlanta,5740312,02 416.5Baltimore,6436011,54515.8San Diego7425111,24015.4San Antonio6528710,79714.8Domestic61372455,881624.5Int ernational6330736,43149.9Total61363492,312674.4

This has me puzzled as well... LIT is much, much smaller city-wise than OKC - you'd think with OKC's strong economy and booming downtown we'd get NYC service first? What drives LIT-NYC traffic? Surely this isn't for the wal-mart folks bc then it would be out of XNA?


We already have a nonstop flight to Newark, FYI.

This has me puzzled as well... LIT is much, much smaller city-wise than OKC - you'd think with OKC's strong economy and booming downtown we'd get NYC service first? What drives LIT-NYC traffic? Surely this isn't for the wal-mart folks bc then it would be out of XNA?

XNA already has nonstop service and has for years. Walmart has done so much for air service in that town it is unbelieveable.


How does Little Rock secure that service before OKC? Is it just not as popular a destination?

Probably a more aggressive airport management team for one. They also don't have any competing service to the New York area that already exists. We also have to take note that service to Newark has been ongoing for years now, but still is just one daily ERJ-145.

OKC-NYC is 313 pax per day (ppd), or around 156 pax departures each way (pdew).
United controls 36% of the market share with their nonstop service and an average fare of $301.63. Southwest is lowest fare airline in the market at $264.92 but only gets 12.7% of the market.

LIT-NYC is 156 ppd or 78 pdew. Delta controls largest share with 31% at $329, WN is lowest fare at $277 with 11.2% share.

Looking at this, the market from OKC is double that from LIT, but there is no competing service. The fare levels are also roughly the same, but better in LIT to command a higher margin from the O&D market.

I think a better question that needs to be asked is why the OKC market isn't being drawn to the nonstop service more to encourage United to expand the capacity on the route. We also need to recognize though that they are probably completely happy with the market right now based on the high margins they can get for it.

Looking at flight aware, it appears we have several diversions this afternoon/evening.

Down for July.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/July%20Enplanement.pdf

Poor Frontier. Big change from this month to 2012. What have they done differently in the last year here? less flights? I do wish they had an earlier AM flight to DEN.

They only run 2 flights a day instead of 3. So they have less capacity meaning less traffic.

We already have a nonstop flight to Newark, FYI.

I'm aware - Newark isn't New York, however. While the EWR flight is nice for the UA frequent flyers, I'm betting AA/DL other elites are connecting to get into LGA. AA or DL (I hope AA) could really cash in with an LGA nonstop.

I'm aware - Newark isn't New York, however. While the EWR flight is nice for the UA frequent flyers, I'm betting AA/DL other elites are connecting to get into LGA. AA or DL (I hope AA) could really cash in with an LGA nonstop.

Exactly.

I'm aware - Newark isn't New York, however. While the EWR flight is nice for the UA frequent flyers, I'm betting AA/DL other elites are connecting to get into LGA. AA or DL (I hope AA) could really cash in with an LGA nonstop.

So it is really just a preference of airline? I agree its probably better to connect at LaGuardia (actually JFK is probably the best way to connect IMO). But flying into Newark is fine. I have done it twice for leisure and once for business. You can take the PATH train to Penn Station. Newark is actually much closer if you are going to Lower Manhattan or the Financial District.

This looks like it would be a good program for Will Rogers if they don’t already have it.




Airports offering perks to frequent passengers Kelli Grant CNBC

More airports are adding their own incentives for frequent travelers, including discounted parking, exclusive lounges and bonus airline miles on in-terminal purchases. It's a way for airports to compete against each other as airline consolidation shifts routes and raises prices, said Dean Headley, a professor of marketing at Wichita State University and co-author of the annual Airline Quality Rating study.

In July, Bob Hope Airport in Burbank,Calif., launched an airportwide loyalty program through affiliate Thanks Again. Travelers who register an existing debit or credit card with the program automatically earn extra miles with their choice of partner airlines when they use the card at airport retailers.

Thanks Again has developed 43 airportwide programs, and has participating merchants in another 128 U.S. airports, said Chief Executive Marc Ellis.
Florida's Jacksonville International Airport has a "frequent parker program" which, for a $20 fee, gets participants discounts at airport businesses and accrues points on lot fees that can be redeemed for free parking. Gainesville Regional Airport, also in Florida, offers members of its free Ultimate Road Warrior Club perks including a separate lounge.

"As a consumer, if you're thinking about altering your flying habits, think about how much you're willing to support the availability of local air service," he said. "Would you rather pay an extra $40 or $50 per ticket to make sure that airline is there when you need them?"



Link from NBC News:
Airports offering perks to frequent passengers - NBC News.com (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/airports-offering-perks-frequent-passengers-6C10928547)

Thanks Again is definitely growing in popularity. Though I doubt OKC has even bothered to look at it.

No, our airport administration has clearly shown their lack of outside the box thinking or capability to mirror programs other airports do.

So it is really just a preference of airline? I agree its probably better to connect at LaGuardia (actually JFK is probably the best way to connect IMO). But flying into Newark is fine. I have done it twice for leisure and once for business. You can take the PATH train to Penn Station. Newark is actually much closer if you are going to Lower Manhattan or the Financial District.

Somewhat yes, since AA has a such a strong following here, which makes it rather curious why LIT gets this route over OKC. Maybe you missed my point? I agree with you, EWR is a perfectly reasonable option to NYC, however I've heard time and again that business travelers to Manhattan prefer LGA, hands down. Yes it costs more because you have to cab it in but they are willing to do that to save some time to avoid waiting 20 min for a train that takes another 15-20 minimum. EWR might be closer geographically but cab fares are way higher than from LGA. I guess there isn't enough biz traffic from OKC to justify this route. Too bad!

So industry news that is interesting, but so far haven't found any indication that any Oklahoma airport will be part of this - yet.

Allegiant Air will announced a significant expansion Tuesday. This will include 10 new cities and 18 new routes. Airport that have announcements involving G4 normally post something on Facebook the week before saying an announcement is incoming. A few have let it leak out already...


Portsmouth, NH - new city
Newburgh-Stewart, NY - new city
Islip-Long Island, NY - new city

Fargo, ND - new route
Sioux Falls, SD - new route
St. Cloud, MN - new route

Existing Network: Allegiant Air (http://www2.allegiantair.com/interactive-routemap)

http://www2.allegiantair.com/sites/default/files/routemap_0.jpg

How about Guymon to Myrtle Beach! Ha, just kidding. Allegiant is setting them self up in a great position in the next decade or two. With airlines merging, someone has to start up somehow. You won't get a new carrier to compete w/ the Megas overnight, but you will eventually get there if you keep chopping away slowly.

I have a feeling if Allegiant doesn't do anything stupid, which I doubt they will soon, that they'll be purchasing newer planes to replace the Mad Dogs and by 2025, we'll be seeing them at airport counters in more than just "smaller towns".

Not sure if this is the thread for this, but Steve said today in his chats that OKC is losing out on corporate relocations because its air service is so poor. What would it take to get better flights into OKC? To me, this seems like a chicken and egg situation and that the flights would come if there was the demand.

How about Guymon to Myrtle Beach! Ha, just kidding. Allegiant is setting them self up in a great position in the next decade or two. With airlines merging, someone has to start up somehow. You won't get a new carrier to compete w/ the Megas overnight, but you will eventually get there if you keep chopping away slowly.

I have a feeling if Allegiant doesn't do anything stupid, which I doubt they will soon, that they'll be purchasing newer planes to replace the Mad Dogs and by 2025, we'll be seeing them at airport counters in more than just "smaller towns".

The good news for them is that they are already flying a handful of 757s (for long transcons and Hawaii) and already have 3 A319s in service. They have 7 more 319s coming in and 9 A-320s. They have 57 MD-80s right now will park 6 this year. They 319/320 appears to be the main aircraft that will be used for fleet replacement. They expect to rapidly increase their buying once the NEOs start shipping and the price of current gen planes fall.

They just announced recently going into AUS flying to LAS up against Southwest, so they are definitely getting more aggressive. I wonder if they would be willing to try OKC again and also if they are the ones who would be able to make Florida work from here. If they could, that would be huge.

Not sure if this is the thread for this, but Steve said today in his chats that OKC is losing out on corporate relocations because its air service is so poor. What would it take to get better flights into OKC? To me, this seems like a chicken and egg situation and that the flights would come if there was the demand.

People/businesses that claim OKC's air service is poor are idiots when it comes to the industry. We have nonstop service to 20 airports (three pairs of those are in similar markets - ORD/MDW, DFW/DAL, IAH/HOU...BWI/IAD can be argued either way) which is pretty darn good. We have nonstop service to all Top 10 markets from OKC except Orlando. In the overall Top 25 we lack air service to:

ppd = pax per day ROUND TRIP, not each way.

#10 Again, Orlando - 195 ppd
#14 San Diego - 153 ppd
#15 Seattle - 152 ppd
#16 Boston/Providence - 137 ppd
#17 San Antonio - 131 ppd
#18 Kansas City (WN cut n/s service) - 120 ppd
#19 Fort Lauderdale - 112 ppd
#20 Philadelphia - 105 ppd
#22 Tampa/St. Pete - 103 ppd
#23 Sacramento - 100 ppd
#25 Austin - 93 ppd

Talking about G4 previously, if we could land them, that would take care of Orlando (via Sanford), Lauderdale, and Tampa (via St. Pete). They would likely fly the routes only 2-4 times per week, which would probably make more sense than daily.

SAN would be too hard to do right now with no dominant airline there. You could argue WN, but they are going to take you through PHX or LAS instead.

SEA would be prime for Alaska, but their expansion right now is on hold or limited to only CR7s. Which makes it rough to fly the route.

BOS, SAT, MCI, SMF, and AUS all are probably too small to make work right now. MCI especially proved it won't work with a 737 size aircraft so we would be waiting for a regional with say ATRs or a Dash 8 to make it possible. Same for the other regional cities. BOS and SMF are just SOL right now. :)

PHL possible depends on US/AA but it helps being a large hub to make up for so so O&D numbers.

Overall...we are in really good shape. I know some businesses probably want more frequency to markets or some additional big business markets, but there simply isn't the demand for a lot of them.

I saw that on Steve's chat as well. Venture summed it up really well. Air service here can always be improved but its about what you'd expect for a non-tourist city of our size.

I think it's an outdated idea that good air service is the overriding factor to OKC's economic health. The state of the airline industry is so jumbled and in such flux you really cannot make long term business decisions based on it. I'm sure a lot of companies that may have opened an office in cities like Memphis, St Louis, Cincinnati, etc. solely based on the fact they are (were) hubs are now regretting it. Speaking of, the whole "OKC as a hub" is silly talk. That ship sailed a long time ago.

OKC just needs to keep on doing what it's doing. Lobbying hard for flights to big markets we are missing, and let the pieces fall where they may.

Not sure if this is the thread for this, but Steve said today in his chats that OKC is losing out on corporate relocations because its air service is so poor. What would it take to get better flights into OKC? To me, this seems like a chicken and egg situation and that the flights would come if there was the demand.

Hey Venture, could you do a comparison against Nashville? That's who beat us out, according to Steve, based on flight availability...

Hey Venture, could you do a comparison against Nashville? That's who beat us out, according to Steve, based on flight availability...

Nonstop service they have that we don't:

American - MIA (seasonal), JFK, LGA, DCA

Delta - LGA, MEM, CVG

SeaPort Airlines - Athens GA & Jackson TN

Southwest - SEA (seasonal), OAK (seasonal), SAN, AUS, SAT, MCI, MSY, ECP, JAX, MCO, TPA, RSW (seasonal), FLL, CHS, GSP, CMH, BOS, PHL, PIT, PNS, ORF

US Airways - CLT, PHL, DCA

Int'l Destinations - something we can't get without an FIS area.
YYZ - Air Canada Express
CUN - Seasonal via Aeromexico and Delta

The big thing that sticks out is the size of Southwest there. They moved in and took over many of the routes American abandoned when they shut the hub down in the 90s.

We could YYZ due to Canadian pre-clearance.

It would be interesting to find out what destinations this supposed business wanted nonstop service to and exactly how many pax a day they were going to provide. I have a feeling it would prove to be pretty low and unrealistic for an airline to offer in the current environment.

Realistically, individual businesses don't provide a ton of traffic on specific routes of OKC.

Chesapeake uses my company for certain routes, but even then you are only talking 2-3 people per day each way on a given flight. Might be higher one day or none the next. They are no doubt probably high fare and high yield. But you need a critical mass of businesses to make business routes work. Houston is a good example, hundreds of different energy companies use OKC-IAH/HOU throughout the year, it's not just one company.

Realistically, individual businesses don't provide a ton of traffic on specific routes of OKC.

Chesapeake uses my company for certain routes, but even then you are only talking 2-3 people per day each way on a given flight. Might be higher one day or none the next. They are no doubt probably high fare and high yield. But you need a critical mass of businesses to make business routes work. Houston is a good example, hundreds of different energy companies use OKC-IAH/HOU throughout the year, it's not just one company.

Pretty much what I was aiming for. It is going to take a combined effort to get additional nonstop service to various markets.

I just realized the Q1 numbers for 2013 came out a week ago, so I'm going to play with the numbers and try to show where things are trending for the OKC air market.

Pretty much what I was aiming for. It is going to take a combined effort to get additional nonstop service to various markets.

I just realized the Q1 numbers for 2013 came out a week ago, so I'm going to play with the numbers and try to show where things are trending for the OKC air market.

We won't see Austin service unless the tech industry grows here or the energy industry grows in Austin, for example.

I know this isn't OK Commercial related, but I went and saw Disney's "Planes" last night. (Admit it, if you're an aviation nerd then you know there is a part of you that wants to see it). Anyways, AA had a nice spot in the movie briefly that would make anyone who hates the new paint job laugh out loud.

In a nutshell, "Trip" (short for Triple 7 I believe) is hanging out at the gate, Dusty (main character plane) pulls up, they have some chit-chat and the scene ends with Dusty say " Love the new paint job". Made me have a good belly laugh considering all the talk about how much people dislike it.

Allegiant Air will be including Tulsa as part of their 10 city expansion tomorrow.

So two possible markets will get announced tomorrow. Either Sanford/Orlando, FL or Las Vegas. They just did AUS-LAS so I wouldn't doubt that is what they try to do in TUL. SFB or PGD could be an option as well, but we'll see.

Impact to air fares is going to be huge on whichever market they go to. It will also impact OKC regardless of which market they pick. The average fare is going to typically be down around $80-130 one way. OKC-LAS has been averaging around $160-170 for the last 4 quarters on the low fare carrier end. The overall market average is around $210 for the last year. Pax traffic on OKC-LAS is down over the last 16 months of data by around 60 passengers. Regardless it is still respectable and one of the largest markets. G4 flying TUL-LAS will pull some people out of OKC, especially those in the catchment area overlap.

Orlando is a bit different. Fares have trended down some, but are still pretty high. Average one way for for the lowest fare carrier is still north of $200 by a smidge. Overall for everyone the average has been between $240-250 for much of the last 16 months but did dive down around $225 for Q1 2013...probably thanks to the nonstop WN flights which increased its market share from around 40% up to near 58%. A TUL-SFB route could definitely impact OKC and also the ability for WN to re-enter the market during the peak season.

Overall this will be good for much of the Eastern part of the state. Air fares will drop in whichever market they enter.

I did double check Will Rogers' facebook page to see if they had anything planned, but then I remembered they barely pay attention to it. Last update was June 3rd. Yes...June 3rd. Karen Carney must be level 4000 by now on Candy Crush.

Good number crunching there Venture.

My question is are prices only going to be impacted on the days that Allegiant flies or would it be for all days? I assume that Allegiant would not be flying daily routes out of Tulsa? Or will they?

If they fly on Sat and Tues would Saturday and Tues see good prices and then the routes would resume back to "normal" prices every other day of the week??