In other words, just what I said. Everyone would need to line up in seat number order.

It's just not enough of a problem, in most cases, to have any major changes. It's rarely a reason for a flight to be delayed.

If you mean in the order that the would seat the aircraft faster and not the actual seat number, then yes. Pretty much it would be easily implemented using the Southwest style boarding order.

The point is not that it causes flights to be delayed, the point is to reduce turn times to get the equipment back in the air making money. If you can take an aircraft and turn it in 20 minutes when most hub and spoke majors do it in 45 or longer, that is going to get more efficiency out of your assets. As the industry continues to get squeezed with fuel costs and taxes, getting additional operation efficiency out of the system is a more than enough reason to look at making a change.

Random question - not sure if anyone here would have the answer or not but here goes: I'm just curious on DFW-OKC flights why the route always seems to fly north, circle downtown OKC, then land at WRWA heading due back south. In all the DFW-OKC flights I've taken I don't think the routing has ever been just fly north, align with runway, and land. Is it prevailing wind patterns that dictate this or some other factor? Just curious that's all. Not that I mind - the views of downtown from the left side of the plane while circling are absolutely stunning!

Airplanes takeoff and land into the wind.

If you mean in the order that the would seat the aircraft faster and not the actual seat number, then yes. Pretty much it would be easily implemented using the Southwest style boarding order.

The point is not that it causes flights to be delayed, the point is to reduce turn times to get the equipment back in the air making money. If you can take an aircraft and turn it in 20 minutes when most hub and spoke majors do it in 45 or longer, that is going to get more efficiency out of your assets. As the industry continues to get squeezed with fuel costs and taxes, getting additional operation efficiency out of the system is a more than enough reason to look at making a change.


Venture, I might normally respond to that. I'm not interested on a day when at least 51 people have died here. It just doesn't seem that important.

Venture, I might normally respond to that. I'm not interested on a day when at least 51 people have died here. It just doesn't seem that important.

I'm not really sure what elicits that kind of a response, when no response would have been perfectly fine considering the circumstances, but everyone has their own motives - for whatever reason.

I'm not really sure what elicits that kind of a response, when no response would have been perfectly fine considering the circumstances, but everyone has their own motives - for whatever reason.

Motive? That's a snarky comment and not like you. I was just stating how I truly felt last night with no motive for anything. Maybe no response from you would have been perfectly fine also.

Motive? That's a snarky comment and not like you. I was just stating how I truly felt last night with no motive for anything. Maybe no response from you would have been perfectly fine also.

lj, venture is a very solid poster. I don't think there was anything to it.

United starts The WiMiAi (Window Middle Aisle) boarding process systemwide on Thursday. It will be reverse pyramid.

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lj, venture is a very solid poster. I don't think there was anything to it.

I agree that venture is a solid poster, but it was an unnecessary and unwarranted personal comment directed at me. I will just chalk it up to being tired from all of the weather related issues he's been following.

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Only 14 days after the fact for them to pick up on this. Par for the course I guess. LOL

OKC management is clueless to what is going on. The July slot bid was up because DL did the slot trade with US and gave up much of their O&D operation at National. One of the slots was an AIR 21 slot that was specifically awarded to serve Jackson, MS. When US & DL swapped, US was awarded temp approval to keep the route going while the slots were up for bid. WN proposed OKC at the time, US proposed to keep the service going. Obviously the award went to keep existing service going. It was known that an additional par of slots were coming up to allow one round trip into National, and I have a feeling WN did the OKC bid - knowing it wouldn't work - to setup a failure to get more favor for the next slot.

Next slot bid starts and boom...they offer a large metro area. They could have done OKC again - if they believed the market would support it. However, they knew it was going to be very selective in the amount of traffic they could move through OKC. The HOU bid was going to allow them to pack the flights.

US Airways set itself up for failure too because they would not promise anything larger than an ERJ 190 and suggested it could be smaller. DOT is going to see that as a waste of slots. Had US guaranteed A319 service it would have had more weight.

The other problem going against US Airways is that it is sitting on over 50% of the slots at National. Many are used on multiple frequencies to many cities. While I am a staunch supporter of these slots going to small communities that are normally overlooked for large hubs, a lot of these slots are wasted on short hops to their PHL hub (for example) using Dash 8s. There is no reason why they couldn't pull a pair from that route to operate OKC.

Carney saying that the US merger with AA could open more up - it will not. American has roughly 55 flights a day from National Airport. They fly nonstop to...

ORD, DFW, LAX, MIA, BNA, JFK, RDU, and STL. They only overlap at BNA and RDU. That is pretty significant on how little overlap the merger has - which network rise there are only 12 routes. So while they will probably have to give up slots, its not going to be anything substantial in my opinion. I also fully expect them to auction these off - meaning there will not be a DOT bid process. If you have the cash you get to buy them. So I expect Southwest to be front and center to pick them up. I also expect JetBlue to be there as well buying away. Are they going to use them to OKC? Heck no. Southwest is going to put those into MDW, DAL, HOU, DEN (they are perimeter exempt), and so on.

So if OKC really wants service to DCA...they need to be Tempe - and eventually Fort Worth - groveling at the feet of Doug Parker.

I agree that venture is a solid poster, but it was an unnecessary and unwarranted personal comment directed at me. I will just chalk it up to being tired from all of the weather related issues he's been following.

Yeah I went back and re-read it and it was a bit rough. I took your comment the same way...I think we are all just mentally exhausted right now.

I was going to say the same thing; like - didn't they announce that almost 2-weeks ago?

Yep. The cluelessness continues at 7100 Terminal Drive.

Yeah I went back and re-read it and it was a bit rough. I took your comment the same way...I think we are all just mentally exhausted right now.

venture you will be happy to know that United is going to implement the kind of boarding process you like.

venture you will be happy to know that United is going to implement the kind of boarding process you like.

I saw his post. Didn't say I liked it, just said it was proven to be more efficient.

I saw his post. Didn't say I liked it, just said it was proven to be more efficient.
Since hasn't been widely used, I would hardly say it has been proven to be more efficient. I guess we will find out though.

Looks like DL has extended the 4x MD88 1x CR9 ATL schedule deep into September, and 3x mainline for most of October.

This has been a trend over the past several years, each year they have upguaged one frequency to an MD88. I will predict next year for the summer schedule (Jul-Sep) it is 5x MD88. (or some other mainline)

Two questions:

1) I keep hearing about damage to the airport and to airplanes due to the storms, but have seen no pictures. How bad was it?
2) Why did American cancel all flights through at least 5:00 today when all other airlines seem to already be running normal schedules by mid-morning?

Not sure what the deal with AA today. I had company on a flight on them last night that got stranded in Dallas and was told they weren't going to make it until Monday - obviously would have drove to get them at that point. However, United ran an extra section today up from Dallas (diverted DEN-OKC flight from last night) that they were able to get on. American's call didn't really make much sense at all when it came to cancelling today.

As far as aircraft damage, the only one that I've heard about so far is one of Southwest's 737s did sustain some damage.

Delta also had a few airplanes sustain damage to the nose gear from sideways force from the wind.

United is close to a normal schedule now, Southwest and Delta also seem to be running petty normal. Still a large backlog of people trying to get out.

Delta made it official the MEM hub is dead. Not really a shock. Southern Airways Express, a new start based in MEM, made this post today on faceplace...

Southern Airways Express (https://www.facebook.com/southernairwaysexpress?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)
STATEMENT ON TODAY's ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT MEM:
Despite its assurance in 2008 to retain the old Northwest Airlines Hubs, the dominant carrier at Memphis International today announced that it would shutter its hub at here. Non-stop destinations from Memphis have decreased from 93 cities at its peak to 29 cities, beginning September 3rd. Southern Airways Express will do its best to fill as many of these routes as we can, and we are seeking public input as to the routes that YOU would prefer to see offered from our hometown: Under consideration are OKC, ICT, DAL, TUL, XNA, SHV, BTR, JAN, GPT, BHM, MOB, GSP, CAE, CHS, JAX, CHA, TYS, TRI, SDF, LEX, PNS, MGM, TLH, GNV, SGF, AVL, MCI, RSW, EYW, STL, HSV, GTR, and ATL (PDK). We welcome your comments and suggestions!

Maybe this doesn't belong in this thread, but does anyone else think the airport is missing out huge on some extra revenue in not raising prices for garage parking? It's always really full, and is a steal in my mind at $7 a day (after living in bigger cities where it can cost you more than $20 a day).

Maybe this doesn't belong in this thread, but does anyone else think the airport is missing out huge on some extra revenue in not raising prices for garage parking? It's always really full, and is a steal in my mind at $7 a day (after living in bigger cities where it can cost you more than $20 a day).

It is probably the one thing I really enjoy about our airport - they don't rape you with parking fees. I'd rather they keep it low than screw over the passengers.

Delta made it official the MEM hub is dead. Not really a shock. Southern Airways Express, a new start based in MEM, made this post today on faceplace...

Southern Airways Express (https://www.facebook.com/southernairwaysexpress?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)
STATEMENT ON TODAY's ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT MEM:
Despite its assurance in 2008 to retain the old Northwest Airlines Hubs, the dominant carrier at Memphis International today announced that it would shutter its hub at here. Non-stop destinations from Memphis have decreased from 93 cities at its peak to 29 cities, beginning September 3rd. Southern Airways Express will do its best to fill as many of these routes as we can, and we are seeking public input as to the routes that YOU would prefer to see offered from our hometown: Under consideration are OKC, ICT, DAL, TUL, XNA, SHV, BTR, JAN, GPT, BHM, MOB, GSP, CAE, CHS, JAX, CHA, TYS, TRI, SDF, LEX, PNS, MGM, TLH, GNV, SGF, AVL, MCI, RSW, EYW, STL, HSV, GTR, and ATL (PDK). We welcome your comments and suggestions!Isn't this pretty big news? Surprised there isn't more on this,

Isn't this pretty big news? Surprised there isn't more on this,

Not really, plupan. It's been expected for some time.

Not really, plupan. It's been expected for some time.ahh, I see.

Delta to MEM will end 30Aug

I have no idea why, but there is an Emirates Airlines Boeing 777 on the runway at Will Rogers. It's awesome.

Diversion from DFW. Parked on southeast remote by UPS.

I have no idea why, but there is an Emirates Airlines Boeing 777 on the runway at Will Rogers. It's awesome.

Pictures!

Pictures!

Apologies, Venture! I was on I-44 and couldn't get any. Maybe Catch or someone got some...?

I was too busy. Real crappy day on the ramp. Sorry.

American is hiring! LOL Heard one of the gate agents discuss the other day they had 3 new hires and 2 walked out after one day.

American is hiring! LOL Heard one of the gate agents discuss the other day they had 3 new hires and 2 walked out after one day.

Job satisfaction, yay!

WN's fall fare sale starts today...better than most previous sales so far this year...

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Some good prices. Might buy an ATL trip, get on a 717 (and AirTran) before they go to Delta.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/May%20Enplanement.pdf

Still on par compared to last year.

Southwest did well.

Just an assumption but it looks like business traffic is holding steady or decreasing while leisure travel has increased.

Southwest and Frontier posted gains while traditional business carriers AA, DL, UA slipped.

Obviously not all of WN is leisure, they do a healthy chunk of business traffic, but they are usually the first place leisure travelers go.

Just an assumption but it looks like business traffic is holding steady or decreasing while leisure travel has increased.

Southwest and Frontier posted gains while traditional business carriers AA, DL, UA slipped.

Obviously not all of WN is leisure, they do a healthy chunk of business traffic, but they are usually the first place leisure travelers go.

As business travelers, I've noticed that people in my office have taken Southwest the past few times and not Delta or otherwise. My group used to be all Delta, but it's getting more spread out. Our current frequent destination (El Paso) is only served by Delta via Altanta, so that's a no-go period.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/May%20Enplanement.pdf

Still on par compared to last year.

Southwest did well.

Catch, do you think OKC will pass the 4 million mark soon, maybe within the next year or two?

Our current frequent destination (El Paso) is only served by Delta via Altanta, so that's a no-go period.

If you're talking about from OKC, that's certainly not true. It is also served by American through DFW, United through DEN and IAH, and Southwest through, DAL, PHX, and HOU.

I think he meant that's the only route it's served by Delta, thus why he's not flying Delta as much.

I think he meant that's the only route it's served by Delta, thus why he's not flying Delta as much.

Gotcha, that makes more sense.

I think he meant that's the only route it's served by Delta, thus why he's not flying Delta as much.

Yep. As status-flyers on Delta, my bosses are not happy that a flight to Atlanta is required. I would agree - I can't believe Delta doesn't have at least one flight from SLC to ELP.

Emirates 77W diverted yesterday.

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Flew in lastnight from IAH on UAL . Enjoyed the mainline service. Was impressed with the flight being nearly sold out. Anyone know if more mainline will be added?

Also, how's the CLE service doing?

For UA. Might get a second mainline to IAH next summer. It performs well even with the 173 seat 900ER that has been run this spring and summer. DEN could possibly go back to mainline at some point.

expect EWR to eventually go to E175.
Expect CLE to go to 2x. I wouldn't be surprised to see SFO get a second flight at some point.

For UA. Might get a second mainline to IAH next summer. It performs well even with the 173 seat 900ER that has been run this spring and summer. DEN could possibly go back to mainline at some point.

expect EWR to eventually go to E175.
Expect CLE to go to 2x. I wouldn't be surprised to see SFO get a second flight at some point.

United is building a nice little operation here. If these flights do indeed go mainline, that'll be very nice. I'm extremely sick of any regional jet that isn't an E175 or 190.

United is building a nice little operation here. If these flights do indeed go mainline, that'll be very nice. I'm extremely sick of any regional jet that isn't an E175 or 190.

Many of these routes wouldn't be possible without the 50-seat RJs. Of course the biggest problem is that the 50-seat RJ didn't stick to the initial niche it was meant for. Fuel prices though are pushing them out and hopefully we'll see more of the sub 70 seat market go to the newer generation of props to help costs.

Many of these routes wouldn't be possible without the 50-seat RJs. Of course the biggest problem is that the 50-seat RJ didn't stick to the initial niche it was meant for. Fuel prices though are pushing them out and hopefully we'll see more of the sub 70 seat market go to the newer generation of props to help costs.

I'd rather have the latest, greatest props over the CRJs. They're just extremely uncomfortable to fly in. But the routes are doing fairly well if so many are looking at additional flights or larger aircraft. That's good for us.

nevermind

I'd love to see some more mainline aircraft, they are much more efficient than their regional counterparts.

On a 1-1.5 hour stage length, a 737-900 (167 seats) may load 14,600-17,800lbs of fuel. at 6.7 lbs per gallon that comes out to 13.05-15.91 gallons per passenger on a full flight. A 50 seat ERJ would typically load 6400-7800 lbs of fuel. At a density of 6.7 lb/gal would be 19.10 to 23.28 gallons per passenger. Usually the flights would use about half to 2/3 of the fuel at most for that length of flight.

I'd love to see some more mainline aircraft, they are much more efficient than their regional counterparts.

On a 1-1.5 hour stage length, a 737-900 (167 seats) may load 14,600-17,800lbs of fuel. at 6.7 lbs per gallon that comes out to 13.05-15.91 gallons per passenger on a full flight. A 50 seat ERJ would typically load 6400-7800 lbs of fuel. At a density of 6.7 lb/gal would be 19.10 to 23.28 gallons per passenger. Usually the flights would use about half to 2/3 of the fuel at most for that length of flight.

Out of curiosity how much fuel would a 70 passenger turbo consume?

Don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but going off of memory. But for a 1.5-2 hour stage length at 71 passengers on a Dash 8 Q400 you are looking at around 13.45 to 16.39 gallons per passenger. An ERJ (full at 50 seats) on a 1.5-2 hour stage length would run about 23.28 to 25.67.

Catch22


“we are finally reaching the point where smaller communities are trying to connect to us”


The above quote is part of a comment you made on the High-speed rail to link Tulsa/OKC/Dallas and more thread.

Do you think there could ever be a point in the future that we could also see this happening in air service to OKC. It would be great to see a name and logo on a commuter airline offering service to and from OKC to places like Garden City, Ks ? Maybe even offering service to Albuquerque and New Orleans.

Catch22


“we are finally reaching the point where smaller communities are trying to connect to us”


The above quote is part of a comment you made on the High-speed rail to link Tulsa/OKC/Dallas and more thread.

Do you think there could ever be a point in the future that we could also see this happening in air service to OKC. It would be great to see a name and logo on a commuter airline offering service to and from OKC to places like Garden City, Ks ? Maybe even offering service to Albuquerque and New Orleans.

I'm sure Catch22 will add his point of view on this. I could definitely see the ability to utilize an aircraft like the ATR-72-600 in a Southwest-style network. I don't have the market numbers with me right now, but off the top of my head I would think a flight or two a day would work to: ABQ, COS, AUS, SAT, CRP, MSY, MEM, and BKG.

I'm sure Catch22 will add his point of view on this. I could definitely see the ability to utilize an aircraft like the ATR-72-600 in a Southwest-style network. I don't have the market numbers with me right now, but off the top of my head I would think a flight or two a day would work to: ABQ, COS, AUS, SAT, CRP, MSY, MEM, and BKG.

BKG ? Not familiar with BKG and my FAA code search did not return any results.

Also just noticed that my fingers and eyes were not in sync, Meant to say in my original post that it would be great to see the Great Plains name and logo back. Shame they weren't better operators

BKG ? Not familiar with BKG and my FAA code search did not return any results.

Also just noticed that my fingers and eyes were not in sync, Meant to say in my original post that it would be great to see the Great Plains name and logo back. Shame they weren't better operators

BKG is Branson, Missouri.

In a rare moment in history I forgot to bring my lunch to work this morning so I had Sonic in the terminal.

They've dramatically improved their wait times by reducing their menu down to several items. This allows them to keep a steady pace by not having many special items consuming kitchen time.

Good job.