Thanks guys!
Those were the types of tips and responses this novice flyer wanted to see.:D

Did you check Frontier? AFAIK they fly DEN-SBN and are all about cheap - check their website for an OKC-DEN-SBN routing and you should find good fares too. Also have you checked Notre Dame's home football schedule - as someone above said you can generally find good weekend fares for the fall so I wouldn't buy too early, but if it's a football weekend then fares will be high no matter what so you might as well buy soon to lock in a reasonable fare.

Did you check Frontier? AFAIK they fly DEN-SBN and are all about cheap - check their website for an OKC-DEN-SBN routing and you should find good fares too. Also have you checked Notre Dame's home football schedule - as someone above said you can generally find good weekend fares for the fall so I wouldn't buy too early, but if it's a football weekend then fares will be high no matter what so you might as well buy soon to lock in a reasonable fare.

Yes, actually I have checked The Notre Dame home schedule.


Providing that I can secure tickets my end destination will be watching the University of Oklahoma playing a game of American football against the University of Notre Dame.

I will check your suggestions…. but from what I understand South Bend hotel rates quadruple for a big home games and car rentals are also tough. That’s why I think I want to fly into an airport within easy driving distance.

Thank you for your response.:)

Yes, actually I have checked The Notre Dame home schedule.


Providing that I can secure tickets my end destination will be watching the University of Oklahoma playing a game of American football against the University of Notre Dame.

I will check your suggestions…. but from what I understand South Bend hotel rates quadruple for a big home games and car rentals are also tough. That’s why I think I want to fly into an airport within easy driving distance.

Thank you for your response.:)

You are correct. Normally, I'd suggest flying into SBN, but for game day, I think you're on the right track.

DCA slots were award to Southwest today. Not really a shock.

Regulations.gov (http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2000-7182-1976)

So reviewing the document of the ruling, it is pretty clear why Southwest won and US Airways (and JetBlue) failed.

Main point is that the Southwest HOU-DCA application would impact more people.

Second was the low fare impact that Southwest would have. It also acknowledge JetBlue would deliver the same to JAX. However, US Airways...


In contrast, US Airways made no mention of offering low-fare service in its application, instead stating that fares would be “competitive with current OKC-Washington and OKC-Charlotte fares.” In addition, US Airways proposes to operate the route with 99-seat E-190 aircraft. This is the smallest proposed aircraft in this proceeding and would not utilize the available capacity at DCA as efficiently as the Southwest or JetBlue proposals to use 143-seat and 150-seat aircraft respectively. Moreover, US Airways’ application stated that the route may be operated from time to time by its regional affiliates, which would use even smaller aircraft. Given these factors, we do not believe the merits of US Airways’ application with respect to Section 41718(b)(5) reach those of either Southwest’s or JetBlue’s applications.

Once they reached that point they completely tossed out the US Airways application and it was down to Southwest and JetBlue. The only redeeming qualification that could have saved the OKC application was market size as preference is given to small markets. However, the DOT noted that while HOU is the 5th largest metro area in the country, it disregarded this measure because both JAX and OKC are well over million people each.

It is now US Airways' call to start the service on their own or at least the OKC-CLT service they promised to piggy back. I don't expect either (and likely never DCA) until after the AA merger is complete.

Shocker.

If USAirways wanted to start the route, couldnt they technically do it? I mean, all they would have to do is subtract a flight from an existing route and move it here. Could they do that or does it not work that way?

Yes they could.

I'm not holding my breath but it is a possibility.

If USAirways wanted to start the route, couldnt they technically do it? I mean, all they would have to do is subtract a flight from an existing route and move it here. Could they do that or does it not work that way?

They could do it tomorrow if they want. Like 1 of the ~10 flights they have to PHL.

They could do it tomorrow if they want. Like 1 of the ~10 flights they have to PHL.

I am more than a little surprised that OKC doesn't have at least one flight on US Airways to one of their eastern hubs, either Philly or Charlotte or DCA.

Of course, I'd still like JetBlue to give us a chance.

I am more than a little surprised that OKC doesn't have at least one flight on US Airways to one of their eastern hubs, either Philly or Charlotte or DCA.

Of course, I'd still like JetBlue to give us a chance.

I think we all expected to see CLT added when US and HP merged. However, they just picked up and left. I believe we will see CLT service added after the AA merger is done. DCA I hope. We might still get DCA on WN, but I'm not holding my breath. WN is likely to come out the winner with the slot divestiture that will need to happen from US/AA.

Venture, what are the chances OKC lands any service to Canada? One would think that with all the oil and gas stuff, there'd be at least a little demand for such service, but I guess not.

Venture, what are the chances OKC lands any service to Canada? One would think that with all the oil and gas stuff, there'd be at least a little demand for such service, but I guess not.

0.01%...wait...0.02%. :)

Canada you have two options really. Air Cananda or WestJet. AC operated from DFW to YYZ (Toronto) only. From IAH they fly to YYC (Calgary), YUL (Montreal), YYZ, and YEG (Edmonton). They don't fly from any second tier cities like AUS, SAT, and such in Texas. They do fly from MCI to YYZ - but not mainline.

WestJet only flies to Dallas in the area and they just started a week ago.

I wouldn't really expect to see anything unless demand is so high that it would warrant a nonstop flight.

As mentioned previously

AirTran brings Atlanta nonstop flights to Oklahoma City | News OK (http://newsok.com/airtran-brings-atlanta-nonstop-flights-to-oklahoma-city/article/3807430)

They've been installing new bench chairs in all of the gate lounges. They feature power ports under every seat. Noticed a few of them this morning. They look exactly the same as the old ones but with the power ports on the bottom.

So, what is the short term future for Will Rogers in terms of service? Can we expect new destinations or are we looking at destinations already served but with better frequency and/or bigger jets?

So, what is the short term future for Will Rogers in terms of service? Can we expect new destinations or are we looking at destinations already served but with better frequency and/or bigger jets?

Always hard to figure out where the industry will go.

Delta I think remains pretty flat. We'll have to see how they react to WN going into ATL from here now, though I'm not expecting much. The MEM route is being axed which takes them down to ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC. Would like to see them add LGA, but they've shown no interest from what I've heard. Aircraft sizes should remain mostly the same.

United has been doing well to CLE, so we might see an additional flight there at some point if the O&D keeps up. I think ORD, IAH, LAX, and DEN all stays pretty stagnant.

Frontier is a wild card. They are moving to a ULCC model which could bring changes to the OKC market. They might go back to only 1 daily flight or just cut it all together. We'll see how it goes. They aren't turning completely into Spirit, so we'll have to see how the market reacts.

Southwest we've covered quite a bit. MCI gone, ATL added. At some point the 717s will get replaced by the 737s. Hopefully we see MCO return next year. I would like to see STL go back to 2 daily flights in the Spring. I'm still holding out hope we will see at least one BNA flight, but ATL may temper that. The DAL service is the big question for end of next year when the Wright Amendment is lifted.

American is bringing in a bunch of the E-Jets, so we could expect to see some moving around of aircraft types to ORD and DFW. I wouldn't be shocked if we see ORD go all ERJ 175 at some point. Obviously with the merger with US Airways, I feel strongly CLT is on the horizon and it'll probably be done 70 seaters at first. DCA is always a chance, but I'm not holding my breath. MIA would be nice, but doubtful. I don't expect the PHX hub to last, so nothing to there. PHL would be nice and we could end up with 1 flight a day there for the int'l bank. JFK/LGA is a long shot.

So the general gist...more of the same. Large aircraft won't come unless they can maintain the level of fares and yield, which is hard to do when you add too much capacity.

In the next 5 years if expect:

More mainline service: IAH ATL ORD DEN DTW

New service: CLT DCA MIA LGA

More frequency: SFO CLE LAS HOU

Service reductions: DAL

End of service: MEM

Im still holding on for MSY.

Im still holding on for MSY.

The only logical airline to do MSY would be Southwest. They just announced AUS-MSY, so perhaps its an option.

side note: speaking of MSY it looks like they are getting new terminal altogether Mayor Landrieu, Aviation Board and Regional Leaders Announce Plans to Build, New World Class Airport on North Side of MSY - Press Room (http://flymsy.com/press-room/Mayor-Landrieu-Aviation-Board-and-Regional-Leaders-Announce-Plans-to-Build-New-World-Class-Airport-on-North-Side-of-MSY-1?&Sort=)

MSY would be a nice addition.

How active is Mark Kranenburg (?) in recruiting service to these places? Are we as active as we could be?

MSY would be a nice addition.

How active is Mark Kranenburg (?) in recruiting service to these places? Are we as active as we could be?

No idea. I noticed they put out a press release today about the ATL service, and it is only their 3rd of the entire year. It also seems they are just on autopilot out there and take whatever comes their way.

side note: speaking of MSY it looks like they are getting new terminal altogether Mayor Landrieu, Aviation Board and Regional Leaders Announce Plans to Build, New World Class Airport on North Side of MSY - Press Room (http://flymsy.com/press-room/Mayor-Landrieu-Aviation-Board-and-Regional-Leaders-Announce-Plans-to-Build-New-World-Class-Airport-on-North-Side-of-MSY-1?&Sort=)

They really need it.

No idea. I noticed they put out a press release today about the ATL service, and it is only their 3rd of the entire year. It also seems they are just on autopilot out there and take whatever comes their way.

It really does seem like that. Just ridiculous how little they advertise effectively. They seem far too content to just rest on their laurels.

Has anyone seen a leakage report for the OKC catchment area recently? I'm not sure how long its been since they've done a true market study - if ever.

This is interesting

Is This the Biggest Threat to the Major Airlines? - ALK, JBLU, LUV, SAVE - Foolish Blogging Network (http://beta.fool.com/maholder/2013/05/08/is-spirit-airlines-the-biggest-threat-to-the-major/33339/?source=eogyholnk0000001)

Is This the Biggest Threat to the Major Airlines?

Somebody told me Spirit Airlines tricks people with excessive baggage fees and was unreliable?

Spirit is the first true Ultra Low Cost Carrier (ULCC) in the US. The closest we came before was SkyBus several years back, but they failed to get anywhere in the first year and collapsed. Spirit however has been around for decades and is lead by Ben Baldanza. He comes from US Airways and is extremely sharp. They have taken the a la carte model to the point that it is extreme successful for them. They are one of the most profitable airlines in the country when measured by profit margins.

When you book with them you are booking the seat. That's it. The break it out the cost of the seat and also show the cost of the government taxes you are paying for - and also the fuel portion. You then have the option to pick optional services - seat assignment, checked bags, carry on bag, etc. You pay extra for everything else. However, you could argue that the other airlines just bundle it all together so your end ticket cost is going to be close to the same. This is why you rarely see the majors go in and match base fares.

Spirit is proving to be the model that we see Frontier now following, though not as extreme. The other most successful company right now is Allegiant. They are just amazing at what they do and have brought back mainline sized jet service to cities through away by the majors. They also do it while maintaining very high load factors (normally 90%+ for their markets) and providing low fares.

Are they threats to the Big 4 (WN, AA/US, DL, UA/CO)? I don't see them as direct threats, but they can make it hard to compete outside of high yield business markets.

Since we don't really get exposed to NK (Spirit), G4 (Allegiant), and Frontier (F9) that much here...here are their route maps. Yes I know we have F9 here already, but looking at their route map is the only way to appreciate the changes they are making to the network. Keep in mind the fleets these guys use.

Spirit - A319 and A321 ; Frontier - ERJ 190, A319, and A320 ; Allegiant - MD-83, MD-88, A-319, 757

http://www.spirit.com/images/base/content/page_headers/route_map.jpg

http://www2.allegiantair.com/sites/all/themes/allegiant2/logo.gif

https://www.allegiantair.com/aaImages/routemap/routemapstatic.jpg

http://www.weatherspotlight.com/screencap/f9.png

Leaner Airlines Mean Fewer Routes, Study Shows - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323687604578469160553588132.html?m od=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5)

The link is to a story in today's Journal under the headline, "Leaner Airlines, Meaner Routes." It discusses cutbacks in flights, cities, routes and seats. OKC falls into their "small hub" category which declined 18% in the aggregate between 2007 & 2012. The other side of the supply & demand equation means that we're paying higher fares, on average 4% higher after adjusting for inflation.

So - this simply reinforces and helps quantify what we've known all along. Aside from a few exceptions, most cities are experiencing cutbacks in service, some are losing commercial air service altogether, and everyone is seeing higher fares. And it ain't over yet.

Leaner Airlines Mean Fewer Routes, Study Shows - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323687604578469160553588132.html?m od=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5)

The link is to a story in today's Journal under the headline, "Leaner Airlines, Meaner Routes." It discusses cutbacks in flights, cities, routes and seats. OKC falls into their "small hub" category which declined 18% in the aggregate between 2007 & 2012. The other side of the supply & demand equation means that we're paying higher fares, on average 4% higher after adjusting for inflation.

So - this simply reinforces and helps quantify what we've known all along. Aside from a few exceptions, most cities are experiencing cutbacks in service, some are losing commercial air service altogether, and everyone is seeing higher fares. And it ain't over yet.

It's just the sign of a maturing industry. We are approaching 40 years since deregulation and its been a rough road to get here.

However, once airlines get stabilized and remain profitable we'll probably see expansion start up slowly. Though I think we may end up just seeing new start ups instead of the majors branch out. The only real serious start up right now though is PeoplExpress and they will be east of Mississippi. Ultimate Jet Charter is another that comes to mind, they are already flying scheduled charters and are moving to change their certificate type to permit operating more frequent flights. Right now they operate as a Part 380 airline that can only do infrequent flights (4 or less on a route per week) and are moving to Part 121(?) to handle the scheduled operation better.

Of course it all comes down to oil prices. If they jump up anymore the profits vanish and its the dark times again. Oil prices really need to drop quite a bit to give some breathing room to these guys.

They've been installing new bench chairs in all of the gate lounges. They feature power ports under every seat. Noticed a few of them this morning. They look exactly the same as the old ones but with the power ports on the bottom.

That's awesome.

No idea. I noticed they put out a press release today about the ATL service, and it is only their 3rd of the entire year. It also seems they are just on autopilot out there and take whatever comes their way.

Our airport management is way too laid back.

Don't get me started on the PR department.

Our airport management is way too laid back.

Don't get me started on the PR department.

I've been trying to get some information from them and naturally get no response. They don't care...or don't want to shed light on anything.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/March%202013%20Enplanement.pdf

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/April%202013%20Enplanement.pdf

Still a pretty slow year.

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/March%202013%20Enplanement.pdf

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/April%202013%20Enplanement.pdf

Still a pretty slow year.

Why so slow?

NW 63rd and Western.

Truly? They have (had) that much of an impact?

The dropoff in passenger growth occurred around the same time as the Chesapeake shakedown, coupled with the SandRidge debacle. I can't think of any other local reasons besides those.

Diversions incoming due to storms in Dallas. I'm going to keep updating this page as long as it will let me. So just refresh to see latest list.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KOKC

AAL2237 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2237)MD80 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD80)Port Columbus Intl (KCMH (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KCMH))06:42p08:42p AAL1601 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1601)B738 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B738)Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/CYYZ))05:57p08:47p
AAL2248 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2248)B738 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B738)Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KSEA))05:27p08:29p


AAL2226 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL2226)MD83 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD83)McCarran Intl (KLAS (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KLAS))06:17p08:23p
ASQ2552 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASQ2552)CRJ2 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/CRJ2)Dane Co Rgnl (KMSN (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMSN))06:49p09:01p
This is from Salt Lake City...
AAL1024 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1024)MD80 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD80)Dallas/Fort Worth Intl (KDFW (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KDFW))07:27p08:20p
AAL1333 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL1333)MD80 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD80)Richmond Intl (KRIC (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KRIC))07:07p09:45p
AAL785 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL785)B738 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B738)LaGuardia (KLGA (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KLGA))05:33p09:07p


AAL828 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL828)MD83 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD83)Denver Intl (KDEN (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KDEN))08:04p09:16p
AAL461 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL461)MD80 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD80)Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMSP))06:15p08:13p
FLG3332 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FLG3332)CRJ9 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/CRJ9)Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KSLC))06:59p09:44p
UAL1431 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1431)B737 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B737)Newark Liberty Intl (KEWR (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KEWR))07:01p10:02p
Spirit looks like it re-diverted to AMA instead, so ignore this one...
NKS747 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NKS747)A319 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/A319)Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMSP))07:51p09:44p
TCF6017 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCF6017)E170 (http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/E170)LaGuardia (KLGA (http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KLGA))07:03p11:09p

So when there are several hour delays like that (looks like most of those were on the ground in OKC 3-4 hours) do any of the flights deplane the passengers, or do they all just have to sit on the plane the whole time?

Every situation is different. We make the decision we feel at the time is best for the passengers, it may not seem so, but there is a reason behind the decision to deplane or stay on board. Sometimes we are wrong, as it's hard to see the future.

Yeah its hard to say. Most of those aircraft are just sitting to refuel and get back underway. I'd have to look at the diversion report again a friend at AA was sending over, but I think a few of them did cancel out and deplane completely.

I know the big one where no deplaning would typically happen is international diversions. We've seen Emirates here before and they won't deplane unless absolutely needed. However, they would need to get the customs folks out there to clear them first. The diversion from Toronto likely pre-cleared US customers there, so they would be able to if needed.

It is a gamble though. If a ground stop is going to be released in a relatively short time, then its easy to keep people on. If its going to be a long hold, then the airport folks have a call to make.

Observing American do their IRROPS at OKC, I'd say their standard procedure is to connect stairs to all a/c that do not have a stair system. (MD80's have the tail stair). They rent one of the Giddy Up passenger shuttles and offer to allow OKC bound passengers to deplane, with their bags coming in from DFW as soon as possible. Intl flights without preclearance I don't think this is offered. Also, stairs must be connected to all a/c that will be fueled, as an emergency escape route in the event of a fire.

A new twist to the boarding process:

News Summary: American tweaks boarding process | News OK (http://newsok.com/news-summary-american-tweaks-boarding-process/article/feed/542499)

I've experienced the new American boarding procedure. I think it works. I like it.

I've experienced the new American boarding procedure. I think it works. I like it.

Good to hear. I know there are a lot of concerns with it, especially if flight crews don't enforce under seat storage only for those doing early boarding. I still think we have room to go in the boarding process as an industry. The more efficient way would be to board back to front, as usual, but also from the window into the aisle as well instead of just a whole row at once.

The more efficient way would be to board back to front, as usual, but also from the window into the aisle as well instead of just a whole row at once.
The problem I see with that is that it can split people traveling together and that could be a problem for certain people.

The problem I see with that is that it can split people traveling together and that could be a problem for certain people.

Of course, but most should be fine with it since its only for a couple minutes. Parents with small children would be an exception IMO however.

Of course, but most should be fine with it since its only for a couple minutes. Parents with small children would be an exception IMO however.

I'm not talking about just people with children. There are other instances of people that it would be a problem for and I don't think many would be fine with it. I remember flying a couple of years ago with my elderly mother. She would have been terrified by that. Also I had to carry on her bag. I probably would have been stopped for carrying on too much without having her with me. I understand the concept but it's just not practical.

I'm not talking about just people with children. There are other instances of people that it would be a problem for and I don't think many would be fine with it. I remember flying a couple of years ago with my elderly mother. She would have been terrified by that. Also I had to carry on her bag. I probably would have been stopped for carrying on too much without having her with me. I understand the concept but it's just not practical.

Parents with children are just an example. Anyone needing extra time getting on board or assistance already gets to board early or have some level of special boarding. However, those pax are always going to be a minority.

Parents with children are just an example. Anyone needing extra time getting on board or assistance already gets to board early or have some level of special boarding. However, those pax are always going to be a minority.


It's still not a practical solution. I'm not saying it would never happen but the public would resist it greatly. There is not a perfect solution to boarding a plane and I don't see it as a major issue. It should never be a reason for a flight to be delayed.

It's still not a practical solution. I'm not saying it would never happen but the public would resist it greatly. There is not a perfect solution to boarding a plane and I don't see it as a major issue. It should never be a reason for a flight to be delayed.

Public would also resist fees for bags and carry ons and we've seen how much of a fight they really put up with that. :)

If the fares are reasonable, they don't care what they need to do. Airlines are looking at every possible way to make operations more efficient. Most of the legacies aren't going to back away from assigned seating, even though Southwest proved a few years ago the open seating model is more efficient (at least for them by doing a study of assigned seats), doing an enhanced boarding process is the only way to go.

I'm not talking about just people with children. There are other instances of people that it would be a problem for and I don't think many would be fine with it. I remember flying a couple of years ago with my elderly mother. She would have been terrified by that. Also I had to carry on her bag. I probably would have been stopped for carrying on too much without having her with me. I understand the concept but it's just not practical.If this is going to split people up, then they don't HAVE to board early. They can wait and board with everyone else. The space for their personal item under the seat is still going to be there later in the boarding process. If the person is elderly, very young, handicapped, or it is their very first time flying, all they have to do is tell the gate agent and the airline is going to be accommodating.

If this is going to split people up, then they don't HAVE to board early. They can wait and board with everyone else.

And that would negate the supposed advantages in asking people to board that way. Having people in window seats board first would provide minimal savings in time. It only takes a few seconds to scoot past someone in an aisle seat to a window seat. It's just not the most practical way to do things, which is why it will probably happen. LOL

And that would negate the supposed advantages in asking people to board that way. Having people in window seats board first would provide minimal savings in time. It only takes a few seconds to scoot past someone in an aisle seat to a window seat. It's just not the most practical way to do things, which is why it will probably happen. LOLNo matter what type of boarding system you use, there are always going to be couples/families/groups that get split into different boarding sections. The airline just has to decide whether to let companions board with the earlier individual or not.

No matter what type of boarding system you use, there are always going to be couples/families/groups that get split into different boarding sections. The airline just has to decide whether to let companions board with the earlier individual or not.

The main obstacle to speedy boarding is people who stow luggage in the overhead compartments. Doing a rear to front boarding solves that much better than window to aisle.

I guess the only solution is to have everyone line up in seat order, LOL.

The main obstacle to speedy boarding is people who stow luggage in the overhead compartments. Doing a rear to front boarding solves that much better than window to aisle.

I guess the only solution is to have everyone line up in seat order, LOL.

I'm getting you never read about the Steffen Method which is about the most efficient way to board an aircraft. It uses a combo of rear to front *AND* window to aisle - which is what I was getting at. Not one or the other.

Details...
Jason Steffen's Home Page (http://home.fnal.gov/~jsteffen/airplanes.html)

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In other words, just what I said. Everyone would need to line up in seat number order.

It's just not enough of a problem, in most cases, to have any major changes. It's rarely a reason for a flight to be delayed.