Maybe a change at the top of ODOT will do Oklahoma some good?

Longtime Oklahoma transportation official to retire | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/longtime-oklahoma-transportation-official-to-retire/article/3739523)

Perhaps we can get someone that believes in designing and implementing new interchanges that actually alleviate problems, in lieu of expanding a highway at every point in between and leaving two-lane bridges at the interchanges...

I'm sure the cement lobby is busy prepping their recommendaitons!

The problem with this is they'll probably replace him with someone that was going to make changes when they were young and they joined ODOT but that person was fed constant bs to the point that they are just like Ridley is now and has been. The only way to alleviate the issues within the organization is to let everyone go and start fresh.

I don’t know……but it might be time to bring in somebody from a different state who is better at more timely methods of construction.

It shouldn’t take about 35 years to rebuild I- 35 from I-40 to the south end of Norman.

I would be surprised if his replacement is NOT David Streb.

I would be surprised if his replacement is NOT David Streb.

I'm not familiar with David Streb. Will he provide a change of pace or can we expect more of the same?

Mr Streb was the ODOT official on the stage at the last Public Meeting for the boulevard. I think the video is available on the OKC website.

I would like to see the "T" in ODOT actually mean something. Presently we have an ODOR - Ok Dept Of Roads and not much more......

I like to call it ODOD (Difficulty)!

I suspect whomever is in charge at ODOT they will want to build new roads and rebuild existing roads. It is what they do and they are one of the few government agencies that can generate their own work. The trick is living a lifestyle that reduces ODOT's influence on your life, especially if you don't like them.

Kerry is spot on. Don't like ODOT? Stop buying gas. :)

I don't think Edmondites are going to walk 20 miles to work. It's a monopoly I tell ya!

I'll never understand what people have against roads and parking lots. I must be missing something.

I'll never understand what people have against roads and parking lots. I must be missing something.

Nothing - it is building highways exclusively at the expense of other forms of transportation that can help reduce our dependence on foreign oil that is the primary issue with ODOT.

Nothing - it is building highways exclusively at the expense of other forms of transportation that can help reduce our dependence on foreign oil that is the primary issue with ODOT.

Ultimately won't the free market and the electorate dictate the need and arrival of other forms of transportation. I think your average Oklahoma taxpayer is fairly satisfied with the status quo. At least that's my experience but as always I could be wrong.

As long as we are good with war for cheap oil we will keep building roads, or until we run out of money.

I don’t know……but it might be time to bring in somebody from a different state who is better at more timely methods of construction.

It shouldn’t take about 35 years to rebuild I- 35 from I-40 to the south end of Norman.
That is based more on funding methods than a desire to take a long time. Want roads built/rebuilt quickly? Make it a toll road because the bonds are fully funded at the start of a project. For "free roads" it is always limited to how much gas tax money is available from year to year and they can't spend (build) beyond what is budgeted from year to year because the funding past a year is not guaranteed to be there because of the whims of the feds or state legislatures.

It can be even worse in Texas, US290/Ben White in Austin has been under construction since before my wife moved there in 1989, it was still under construction when we sold our house in South Austin earlier this year. Benham quit doing work in Texas many years ago because TxDOT was a worse cluster(ya know) than ODOT. At least on the engineering side ODOT (and many other state DOT's) are much easier to work with and more logical than TxDOT. Most people that gripe vociferously about ODOT are the people who favor some other forms of transportation over roads. ODOT's main mission as put forth by the Oklahoma legislature is road building, want changes at ODOT or OTA, make changes at the legislative/executive level.

That is based more on funding methods than a desire to take a long time. Want roads built/rebuilt quickly? Make it a toll road because the bonds are fully funded at the start of a project. For "free roads" it is always limited to how much gas tax money is available from year to year and they can't spend (build) beyond what is budgeted from year to year because the funding past a year is not guaranteed to be there because of the whims of the feds or state legislatures.

It can be even worse in Texas, US290/Ben White in Austin has been under construction since before my wife moved there in 1989, it was still under construction when we sold our house in South Austin earlier this year. Benham quit doing work in Texas many years ago because TxDOT was a worse cluster(ya know) than ODOT. At least on the engineering side ODOT (and many other state DOT's) are much easier to work with and more logical than TxDOT. Most people that gripe vociferously about ODOT are the people who favor some other forms of transportation over roads. ODOT's main mission as put forth by the Oklahoma legislature is road building, want changes at ODOT or OTA, make changes at the legislative/executive level.

It’s the funding methods that we need to take a look at.
In Oklahoma it seems like our legislators dole out funds for road projects based on everyone getting a little. This causes major projects to drag out over a very lengthy time

TxDOT seems to secure its funding for major projects in a way that leads to much quicker construction. Once started their major projects don’t seem like they are slowed by lack of funding. The reconstruction of Dallas central expressway (US75) took about 8 years. In terms of size and scale it’s probably a bigger project than any road reconstruction project ever undertaken in Oklahoma. It dwarfs OKC’s recent I-40 project.

A strong ODOT director with armed with the power of persuasion could help change our methods of funding.

As long as we are good with war for cheap oil we will keep building roads, or until we run out of money.

You seem to be having a very rough time representing your handle (JTF) as I haven't seen many facts since the handle change. Seems to be mostly your biased opinion or gross misrepresentations for the most part. If you need that to advance your agenda, why not change your name to Spartan II?

I'm guessing the fact that Texas has a GDP of 1,307,432,000,000 where Oklahoma's is only 160,500,000,000 has something to do with the differences in funding.

I don't mind comparing Oklahoma to Texas but I think it is easy to forget how very different our economies and states are.


Our differences in scale shouldn’t be used as an excuse for taking 35 years to rebuild I- 35,,,, a comparatively very small project.

The way we fund such projects needs improvements.

As far as our future transportation goes…..

It’s..... just a fact…… that as long as the human race is growing we’re going to need more streets and highways.
It’s the prosperous societies that will build and maintain them.



The only real question is what will be the fuel choice? On this there is very good news!
We have new very large supplies of oil and natural gas coming on line
But it’s GTL that offers us the most promise.
The potential of GTL is something that I don’t think a lot of people comprehend, including some posters on this thread.
GTL can be produced at significantly cheaper prices than current gasoline prices.
But just as important it’s very abundant with supplies that will last well into the next century just with today’s technologies. It can be produced on a scale that can meet the demand. It is even currently blended with gasoline.
GTL could be produced from entirely North American sources. It doesn’t take up valuable farm land. It burns cleaner than traditional gasoline. It is my strong opinion we should mandate its use and phase it’s usage in over time.

In time it would make us not only free from non-North American oil but a net energy exporter. This would give us more money to spend on decongestion projects such as light rail in locations where congestion is a major hindrance to the quality of life.

It’s the funding methods that we need to take a look at.
In Oklahoma it seems like our legislators dole out funds for road projects based on everyone getting a little. This causes major projects to drag out over a very lengthy time

TxDOT seems to secure its funding for major projects in a way that leads to much quicker construction. Once started their major projects don’t seem like they are slowed by lack of funding. The reconstruction of Dallas central expressway (U75) took about 8 years. In terms of size and scale it’s probably a bigger project than any road reconstruction project ever undertaken in Oklahoma. It dwarfs OKC’s recent I-40 project.

A strong ODOT director with armed with the power of persuasion could help change our methods of funding.

While I don't disagree with your assessment, I think its worth pointing out that TxDOT is pretty much broke right now, maybe even more underfunded than ODOT. They are suffering from the same fate that ODOT is (low gas tax collection, poor planning for future projects, etc.) I'm fairly certain that they are not adding any extra road capacity--only resurfacing/maintenance of existing roads--and pretty much everything you see getting built has some sort of toll component. Even new lanes that are added to existing roads, like the upcoming widening of I-35E between Denton and Lewisville (btw I would avoid that area for the next few years) are just the addition of toll lanes, i.e., "Lexus Lanes" with congestion pricing.

No doubt ODOT needs to address their funding mechanisms, but the root of the problems is, like every other state agency, they have to browbeat the goons at the state capitol for every penny. Until that changes they will constantly be playing catchup. It is ridiculous that the 44/77/235 interchange is going to take as long as it is, but the state can fix it tomorrow if they gave them the funds they need. The state can also look at upping the gas tax, which will have to be voter approved, or start involving OTA in some of their projects to get some toll funding.

The railroad cutting right through the area complicates the 235/44 interchange. Getting the railroad to approve changes to a main line might be harder than getting changes in liquor laws through the Oklahoma legislature.

It takes Texas just as long to do a project if they don't have legislative pressure to do something. The highways in Austin have been ignored by the rest of the state for many reasons, some of it self-inflicted by locals who thought if traffic got bad people would quit moving there...we can all see how well that worked. Like I have stated before, there was a series of articles about highway construction in the Austin area a few years ago in The Austin American Statesman. It mainly focused on what to do about I-35 through Austin but also about other roads in the area, basically the main quote from that series was that the "cheap and easy projects have been done, not it is time for the difficult and expensive projects to begin". Part of the delay in Austin is also due to the fact that many of those issues in the DFW and Houston areas are being addressed and the money should be available in the future to address issues in Austin and San Antonio.

It took over 10 years to repave I-35 south of Gainesville and about 10+ years to redo Central Expressway out of Downtown Dallas. Some of the funding of Central was helped by light rail funding since that was piggybacked on the highway project. They started it as I moved back to OKC from Dallas. I would venture to say that TxDOT has more issues than ODOT, they just have much more money to overcome those issues. That is from people that I have known who have dealt with both agencies (civil engineers in OKC and DFW/Austin) and some people that I know at TxDOT and who were at ODOT.

why not change your name to Spartan II?

That's funny! I kinda like Mini-Spart though.

You seem to be having a very rough time representing your handle (JTF) as I haven't seen many facts since the handle change. Seems to be mostly your biased opinion or gross misrepresentations for the most part. If you need that to advance your agenda, why not change your name to Spartan II?

Are you saying we are not involved in the Middle East to ensure cheap oil? Why do you think we are there?

For all the criticism ODOT receives for some of its decisions, we should all remember and be thankful for the ODOT employees on the road this Christmas Day trying to make it as safe as possible. I hope for safety for every ODOT truck/plow operator and for them to get home to their families safely.

ODOT is driven by legislators, this is why 8-year construction books come out every year. The state is divided into 8 divisions, or regions, with each having a head engineer that assesses (and with local legislator "suggestions" that region's needs. He/she then submits them to planning. And the reason they widen highways first and do the bridges next, generally, is that it is cheaper to widen the highway than do bridgework, so you get more bang for your buck to have a contract to widen interstate and to come back later to widen the bridges. Ridley actually has been a godsend to the Department in terms of managing money and cutting fat from the agency. Coming up the ranks from a tractor operator forty-some years ago he knows the department through and through. I do agree that we need some better looking interchanges instead of the run-of-the-mill ugly beige look, but money is the bottom line. I do like the implementation of the buffalos and scissor-tails, etc., on some new bridges.

It's amazing what ODOT can do when it has the money. Ridley and his engineers actually started something new in the country with the reconstruction of the I-40 bridge collapse in Webbers Falls in 2002. He implemented incentives and disincentives within the contract itself and got the Feds to loosen all the red tape. Pretty remarkable actually.

ODOT does highways pretty well. I don't think anyone disputes that point. The work they are doing at the I235/I44 interchange will be good for north OKC and Edmond for years to come. I wish there was a way to fund it so it could be completed sooner though. I think the scheduled completion is in 2017?

They fall short in comprehensive transportation planning and implementation though. As part of the 235/44 work, there should have been provisions made to made basic preparations for an additional rail bridge beside the BNSF bridge that will be reconfigured at 50th Street. Unfortunately it appears no one thought ahead to include those basic preparations and when commuter rail becomes a reality in OKC, we will have to disrupt 235 traffic again to do what could have been done now. This is probably not all ODOT's responsibility, but I am not aware of it being given any consideration at all.

If ODOT would put half the effort into all the other modes of transportation as they do roads, our state would be much better off in the future. (And recognizing the difference between downtown streets/boulevards and expressways.....)

Ultimately won't the free market and the electorate dictate the need and arrival of other forms of transportation. I think your average Oklahoma taxpayer is fairly satisfied with the status quo. At least that's my experience but as always I could be wrong.

Maybe I drank some of JTF's kool-aid, but I don't think the free market is permitted to speak in deciding the preferential form of transportation. There is so much government involvement in the pricing of fuels and right of way funding that it would be impossible to compare rail versus highway. If the government were totally not involved, I bet that we would find rail cheaper. If that's true and rail is cheaper, the free market would have already built more rail and made good money off of it and we would be wondering why we need so much roadway.

Good riddance to Ridley! Keeping him on was one of the many disappointments I have had with Gov. Fallin.

Maybe I drank some of JTF's kool-aid,

Not only does it taste good, it is good for you. As for free market, look at OKCs own history of streetcars. The city charged Oklahoma Rail Company to use the public right of way and offered no funding to the system while mandating a maximum fare. Meanwhile, the City built public roads for privately owned cars and let people use them for free.

Not really free (just not toll roads)...taxes paid for them

Not really free (just not toll roads)...taxes paid for them

+1

There is no such thing as a free road, there are merely different ways of paying for them.

+1

There is no such thing as a free road, there are merely different ways of paying for them.
THat is why I always try to use quotes whenever I discuss a "free" road. Yep, none are "free", they may just be free to access.

Not really free (just not toll roads)...taxes paid for them

Are you charged to drive on a city street? You might have paid taxes to build them but you don't pay to use it. Also, the vast majority of roads are not built with tax dollars at all; they are built by private developers who pay for it from the sale of homes along the road. The road is then turned over to the City for long-term maintenance and eventual replacement. That works pretty good in the first life-cycle, but has proved to be unsustainable after that.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of paying a per mile tax instead of a gasoline tax. Short of that I would like to see the gasoline tax raised to cover the cost of maintenance and replacement instead of using property taxes.

I don't whether I should've put this in the Edmond section or not, but here it is. An article outlining a few of ODOT's Eight Year projects.

ODOT plans work on S.H. 74, I-35/Waterloo interchange » Local News » The Edmond Sun (http://www.edmondsun.com/local/x503808098/ODOT-plans-work-on-S-H-74-I-35-Waterloo-interchange)

An action necessary for the department to function in the long-term, more than $4.3 billion in bridge and highway improvements are planned by the end of 2019, according to ODOT. This eight-year plan is updated each year because a blueprint is needed for rights-of-way and designing projects.



$4.3 billion over the next 8 years just in maintenance/repalcement.

$4.3 billion over the next 8 years just in maintenance/repalcement.I noticed that. If they took just a quarter of that I'm pretty sure it could fund a light-rail throughout the entire metro. Never the less, I'm sure there are people in rural Oklahoma that will be glad to see some of roads fixed.

Remember, in staes like Oklahoma (Texas and Colorado) the rural legislator tend to dominate the legislature and all the pork needs to be spread around.

Remember, in states like Oklahoma (Texas and Colorado) the rural legislator tend to dominate the legislature and all the pork needs to be spread around.

Very true. The whole "spread funding among the 8 districts" thing with ODOT makes no sense since you have about 75% of the state's population living in 3 of them. Its very much a relic of the past but rural lawmakers would fight for it tooth and nail.

Also, don't forget the pull special interests have on road construction. In OK the oil and gas industry has a lot of say in what gets built. That's why I40 is now 6 lanes west of Yukon and Highway 281 between 40 and Watonga recently was widened. Both serve the Cana Gas Field. Never mind that area's population is stagnant (or in Watonga's case, declining).

Very true. The whole "spread funding among the 8 districts" thing with ODOT makes no sense since you have about 75% of the state's population living in 3 of them. Its very much a relic of the past but rural lawmakers would fight for it tooth and nail.

Also, don't forget the pull special interests have on road construction. In OK the oil and gas industry has a lot of say in what gets built. That's why I40 is now 6 lanes west of Yukon and Highway 281 between 40 and Watonga recently was widened. Both serve the Cana Gas Field. Never mind that area's population is stagnant (or in Watonga's case, declining).

I fail to see any way possible that having I40 west of Yukon as a 6 lane freeway is a benefit to the oil and gas business. The amount of traffic generated in that area by oil and gas interests is insignificant to the overall traffic. I'm sure they did not enjoy the deteriorated road conditions any more than other travelers though.

I fail to see any way possible that having I40 west of Yukon as a 6 lane freeway is a benefit to the oil and gas business. The amount of traffic generated in that area by oil and gas interests is insignificant to the overall traffic. I'm sure they did not enjoy the deteriorated road conditions any more than other travelers though.
When it comes to pork and special interest legislation you have to enter the land of suspended logic....

When it comes to pork and special interest legislation you have to enter the land of suspended logic....

Suspended logic or not, I absolutely do not believe that it was widened to six lanes only due to the influence of the oil and gas industry which derived almost no benefits.

Suspended logic or not, I absolutely do not believe that it was widened to six lanes only due to the influence of the oil and gas industry which derived almost no benefits.

Not sure about I-40 being increased to 6 lanes out there, but I do know that where the 6 lanes end is just past Radio Road, which is having an interchange built at I-40. There are several oil related service industries expanding on Radio road and they have partnered to increase it to 4 lanes as well. fwiw

Not sure about I-40 being increased to 6 lanes out there, but I do know that where the 6 lanes end is just past Radio Road, which is having an interchange built at I-40. There are several oil related service industries expanding on Radio road and they have partnered to increase it to 4 lanes as well. fwiw

Then maybe it's anticipated traffic count.

As a safety issue alone highway 281 between I-40 and Watonga has needed to be widened for decades.
I wish they would build a by-pass around Watonga and some of the other towns along the North West Passage.

Very true. The whole "spread funding among the 8 districts" thing with ODOT makes no sense since you have about 75% of the state's population living in 3 of them. Its very much a relic of the past but rural lawmakers would fight for it tooth and nail.

This is why we need to reform our states funding mechanisms.
It’s why it takes 35 or so years to rebuild I-35 from I-40 to the south end of Norman!

When it comes to pork and special interest legislation you have to enter the land of suspended logic....

"Land of suspended logic", in this case, it's more "land of make believe"

Are you charged to drive on a city street? You might have paid taxes to build them but you don't pay to use it. Also, the vast majority of roads are not built with tax dollars at all; they are built by private developers who pay for it from the sale of homes along the road. The road is then turned over to the City for long-term maintenance and eventual replacement. That works pretty good in the first life-cycle, but has proved to be unsustainable after that.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of paying a per mile tax instead of a gasoline tax. Short of that I would like to see the gasoline tax raised to cover the cost of maintenance and replacement instead of using property taxes.

Through taxes, I am being charged for it if I drive on it or not. Even if the road is built by a private developer and then turned over to the city for maint etc, where does the CIty get the revenue for that? Taxes. You are already paying a "per mile tax" every time you fill up. Depending on your mileage, you may be paying more or less than someone else. The key there is if one tax replaces the other, but knowing how government works, we will end up with both taxes.

Larry - let's keep it simple.

When you pull out of your driveway onto the street are you paying a fee to drive on the city street? The answer to that is no. Do you pay a tax for a gallon of gas? Yes. Is a tax on gas a fee for driving on a street? No, or else you also have to say I pay a fee for mowing my grass using a gas powered lawn mower. Depending on gasoline milage the amount paid per mile varies for everyone. Heck, some cars don't even use gasoline (natural gas, electric, hydrogen, diesel, biomass, used cooking oil, lollipop wishes, etc). We probably should switch to a funding strucutre that charges the people using it. While we are at it we should also consider charging what it actually costs to build, maintain, and eventually replace. I'll bet that would be bring far-flung road construction to a halt.

If we go that route Sid then we should switch from a volume tax to a sales tax. That sales tax though should cover the cost of expansion, maintenance, and eventual repalcement. How about tacking a $1,000 public road access fee on the purchase of a new car? It would raise $14 billion in 2013 which will close about half of the funding gap for interstate highways. We would have to go to about $5000 per car to close the gap at the state and city levels

Larry - let's keep it simple.

When you pull out of your driveway onto the street are you paying a fee to drive on the city street? The answer to that is no. Do you pay a tax for a gallon of gas? Yes. Is a tax on gas a fee for driving on a street? No, or else you also have to say I pay a fee for mowing my grass using a gas powered lawn mower. Depending on gasoline milage the amount paid per mile varies for everyone. Heck, some cars don't even use gasoline (natural gas, electric, hydrogen, diesel, biomass, used cooking oil, lollipop wishes, etc). We probably should switch to a funding strucutre that charges the people using it. While we are at it we should also consider charging what it actually costs to build, maintain, and eventually replace. I'll bet that would be bring far-flung road construction to a halt.
Thats all well and good and IF they were to switch from the gasoline tax to mileage tax that might be ok too, but as we all know, what will probably happen is we will end up with both taxes.

This video shows what the new I-635 (LBJ) and I-35 (Stemmons Freeway) will look like in 3 years in Dallas.


After you have watch this remember that it’s going to take Oklahoma about 35 years to rebuild I-35 from I- 40 to just south of Norman and the OKC I-35 project is much less complicated.

Oklahoma political leaders need to reform the system so that Oklahoma can build its highway projects much faster.

Only time you?ll be able to drive LBJ Express in five minutes: New hi-def video shows ?full expanse? of IH-635 redo | Transportation Blog (http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/the-only-time-youll-be-able-to-drive-lbj-express-in-five-minutes-new-video-shows-off-full-expanse-of-ih-635-redo.html/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gfcn2WZBvM0

Thank the good lord I don't live down there. Just reinforces the traffic experiences I've had down there in the past. I have several relatives down there that plan their day around the traffic.

Thank the good lord I don't live down there. Just reinforces the traffic experiences I've had down there in the past. I have several relatives down there that plan their day around the traffic.

I didn’t move to the Dallas are for that very reason but I now find myself doing exactly that on a much smaller scale and at certain times in parts of the Norman area.

But the point of my last post was to highlight the difference in the much shorter construction times

This video shows what the new I-635 (LBJ) and I-35 (Stemmons Freeway) will look like in 3 years in Dallas.


After you have watch this remember that it’s going to take Oklahoma about 35 years to rebuild I-35 from I- 40 to just south of Norman and the OKC I-35 project is much less complicated.

Oklahoma political leaders need to reform the system so that Oklahoma can build its highway projects much faster.

Only time you?ll be able to drive LBJ Express in five minutes: New hi-def video shows ?full expanse? of IH-635 redo | Transportation Blog (http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/the-only-time-youll-be-able-to-drive-lbj-express-in-five-minutes-new-video-shows-off-full-expanse-of-ih-635-redo.html/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gfcn2WZBvM0
That was originally proposed back when I lived in Dallas, 20 years ago, I remember the newspaper articles and model making the rounds. Texas has its transportation issues, it usually isn't in DFW or Houston, it is a problem in Austin and San Antonio.

This video shows what the new I-635 (LBJ) and I-35 (Stemmons Freeway) will look like in 3 years in Dallas.


After you have watch this remember that it’s going to take Oklahoma about 35 years to rebuild I-35 from I- 40 to just south of Norman and the OKC I-35 project is much less complicated.

Oklahoma political leaders need to reform the system so that Oklahoma can build its highway projects much faster.

Only time you?ll be able to drive LBJ Express in five minutes: New hi-def video shows ?full expanse? of IH-635 redo | Transportation Blog (http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/the-only-time-youll-be-able-to-drive-lbj-express-in-five-minutes-new-video-shows-off-full-expanse-of-ih-635-redo.html/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gfcn2WZBvM0That is a beautiful highway man. WOW. I am in a loss for words.

In late November, the folks turning LBJ Freeway into the toll-laned LBJ Express unveiled three animated renderings of the $2.7(ish)-billion redo due to hit the checkered flag by December 2015(ish). OKC's might get that one day. (ish) Almost looks a little I-40(isn) ;)

This video shows what the new I-635 (LBJ) and I-35 (Stemmons Freeway) will look like in 3 years in Dallas.


After you have watch this remember that it’s going to take Oklahoma about 35 years to rebuild I-35 from I- 40 to just south of Norman and the OKC I-35 project is much less complicated.

Oklahoma political leaders need to reform the system so that Oklahoma can build its highway projects much faster.

Only time you?ll be able to drive LBJ Express in five minutes: New hi-def video shows ?full expanse? of IH-635 redo | Transportation Blog (http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/the-only-time-youll-be-able-to-drive-lbj-express-in-five-minutes-new-video-shows-off-full-expanse-of-ih-635-redo.html/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gfcn2WZBvM0

Excuse me if I'm skeptical that those freeways will look like that in 3 years. Dallas has been working on and rebuilding those roads for much longer than 35 years. There have been many reincarnations of I35 and LBJ.

I hope we never see a highway like that in OKC.....

I hope we never see a highway like that in OKC.....

I can't imagine a time when we would ever need something like that no matter how quickly it could be built.