Austin is almost always at the top of that list too...yet they have one of the worst highway systems on a major city. So I don't think the High 5 is a qualifying featureWell, to be fair Austin is only served by one interstate and is growing as insane levels. The population is exploding there. I didn't mean to say that Dallas is at the top of the lists due to the high five, it just seems sometimes people here like to put Dallas down as a bad city.

Because I want an efficient interchange that has proven itself time and time again, I don't have any common sense for developing? Seriously? So I suppose no one here would like a high-five for the I40/I44 interchange. . . Why is that exactly?

The traffic counts come nowhere near justifying building something like this. And even if ODOT was funded like it should be, OK simply doesn't have the tax base to warrant such a huge expense. Remember Dallas, Collin, and Denton Counties combined have a larger population than the entire state of Oklahoma.

There are many types of interchanges that don't cost $500 million and can handle the traffic in that area for the foreseeable future. But hey if you have a cool half billion to spare...

No offense PP as you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure you fully grasp the concept of costs for stuff like this.

Venture, I really don't know why you hate Dallas, the only reason I use Dallas as an example is due to the fact that Dallas is the only other city I've lived in.

Denver has huge interchanges, it gets pretty cold in Denver. Aren't you from Michigan??? You ought to know Detroit has some pretty big flyovers. Atlanta, Houston, Seattle, L.A. and there are even four level stack interchanges in Britain and China has a 6 level stack interchange apparently.

I just did some extensive research on stack interchanges and in order to have a five level stack, you generally need to accommodate HOV lanes. It's obvious a good majority of this board does not support spending big money on highways, but I do. That's my opinion and will it change with, I can't tell you. But just remember whenever you put down Dallas, it is a nationally recognized city for many things and offers a lot that many many other cities in the U.S. does not. Sorry if I use Dallas as an example of anything, but I know Dallas really well, so that would be why I do that.

I don't hate Dallas at all. I just don't think we should continue to be looking at it as a model for what to do here. Yes there are things that they have that can work here, but we also have to consider relative scale to our community. Detroit does have some pretty significant overpasses. I-75 going towards downtown before the bridge is one of them...but if it was done today, it wouldn't exist.

Why do we need 4, 5, or 6 stack interchanges? We don't have anywhere near the level of traffic that would require that sort of design capacity. I know you love big highway spending...but the proof is out there as well that it is unsustainable at current levels and people don't want to pay for it.

I'm all about discussing unique design strategies and such. Heck when I am bored I'll dabble in SimCity and CitiesXL for a couple hours.

The traffic counts come nowhere near justifying building something like this. And even if ODOT was funded like it should be, OK simply doesn't have the tax base to warrant such a huge expense. Remember Dallas, Collin, and Denton Counties combined have a larger population than the entire state of Oklahoma.

There are many types of interchanges that don't cost $500 million and can handle the traffic in that area for the foreseeable future. But hey if you have a cool half billion to spare...

No offense PP as you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'm not sure you fully grasp the concept of costs for stuff like this.Well, maybe you're right. It would just be nice to have some decent interchanges in this city. I'm not trying to advocate every interchange become a high five, I suppose it may sound like that when I get excited about these things, but ODOT's strategies just makes no sense sometimes.

I don't hate Dallas at all. I just don't think we should continue to be looking at it as a model for what to do here. Yes there are things that they have that can work here, but we also have to consider relative scale to our community. Detroit does have some pretty significant overpasses. I-75 going towards downtown before the bridge is one of them...but if it was done today, it wouldn't exist.

Why do we need 4, 5, or 6 stack interchanges? We don't have anywhere near the level of traffic that would require that sort of design capacity. I know you love big highway spending...but the proof is out there as well that it is unsustainable at current levels and people don't want to pay for it.

I'm all about discussing unique design strategies and such. Heck when I am bored I'll dabble in SimCity and CitiesXL for a couple hours.Well, I really can't say for sure what is really needed as I haven't extensively studied the traffic counts for these interchanges. I can see a four or five stack interchange for I44/I40, but if no one really thinks it needed, then I don't know what to say.

Also I'm trying to advocate OKC replicate and become a mini Dallas, I too think OKC should set it's own way, just with better interchanges lol. .


Detroit does have some pretty significant overpasses. I-75 going towards downtown before the bridge is one of them...but if it was done today, it wouldn't existI'm not sure what you mean.

and btw, I really want balanced spending. I don't want the majority of money going towards highway and neglecting mass transit and such. I would love to see a light-rail system here in OKC just as much as I want to see a five stack either placed on I-35/240 or I44/I40

Well, to be fair Austin is only served by one interstate and is growing as insane levels. The population is exploding there. I didn't mean to say that Dallas is at the top of the lists due to the high five, it just seems sometimes people here like to put Dallas down as a bad city.
Austin had a city council problem in their boom of the 90's (and still do to some extent), the council back then had an "if you don't build it, they won't come" mentality. We have all seen how well that has worked out. It also comes down to legislative dollars, the people in DFW, Houston and San Antonio don't want it spent in Austin and the Austin area has some pretty weak legislative representation in the Texas legislature. Sound familiar? People from outside the capital city thinking too much is already spent there?

I also can't think of anything quite like the High 5 in Denver, there are some flyover interchanges but nothing that extreme.

Austin had a city council problem in their boom of the 90's (and still do to some extent), the council back then had an "if you don't build it, they won't come" mentality. We have all seen how well that has worked out. It also comes down to legislative dollars, the people in DFW, Houston and San Antonio don't want it spent in Austin and the Austin area has some pretty weak legislative representation in the Texas legislature. Sound familiar? People from outside the capital city thinking too much is already spent there?

I also can't think of anything quite like the High 5 in Denver, there are some flyover interchanges but nothing that extreme.I thought Denver had a five stack interchange somewhere?

I thought Denver had a five stack interchange somewhere?
I just can't think of where it would be, even 25/70 isn't like one of the Dallas interchanges. No service roads passing through the interchanges in that area that I can think of. If there is one, it would more than likely be in the northwest area as I tend to stay from downtown south or my weekly trip out to DIA.

Well, I really can't say for sure what is really needed as I haven't extensively studied the traffic counts for these interchanges. I can see a four or five stack interchange for I44/I40, but if no one really thinks it needed, then I don't know what to say.

Also I'm trying to advocate OKC replicate and become a mini Dallas, I too think OKC should set it's own way, just with better interchanges lol. .

I'm not sure what you mean.

There is the problem. Not everyone wants to be a mini Dallas. We want to be OKC. As far as the I-75 comment...the interstate from the Marathon refinery is elevated all the way to just north of the Rouge River. Today it would likely be at grade or close instead of significantly elevated...except where needed.

There is the problem. Not everyone wants to be a mini Dallas. We want to be OKC. As far as the I-75 comment...the interstate from the Marathon refinery is elevated all the way to just north of the Rouge River. Today it would likely be at grade or close instead of significantly elevated...except where needed.Venture, I'm sorry, I meant to say I'm not trying to advocate OKC become a mini Dallas lol. . . left out a very important part. I just wanted a highway system here similar to Dallas's highway network. Obviously it would be in scale to the needs of OKC, but it would be more efficient.

http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/newsmedia/press/2014/june_commission_advisory.pdf

From The Tulsa World


OKLAHOMA CITY — The state Department of Transportation will start next fiscal year with $28.5 million less to spend due to budget cuts and funding changes last legislative session, agency Executive Director Mike Patterson said Monday.

A portion of the reduction in revenues came via the state budget compromise hammered out by legislative leaders and Gov. Mary Fallin during the session, which ended last month. ODOT was among several state agencies to receive a 5.5 percent reduction in fiscal 2015 funding.

For ODOT, the 5.5 percent reduction will mean the loss of slightly more than $11 million in fuel tax revenues, Patterson said.

“It will be difficult … but we will get through it,” Patterson told the state Transportation Commission during its monthly meeting.

The 2015 fiscal year begins July 1. ODOT’s total budget, including federal funds, will be about $1.8 billion.

Patterson said details on how the cuts will be implemented are not finalized but said the reduction wouldn’t affect the agency’s eight-year construction work plan “at all.”

Rather, Patterson said ODOT will be looking to reduce spending on equipment next year. Some reduction in personnel spending is possible, but layoffs will not be necessary, he said.
The Legislature also took $17.5 million in ODOT revolving fund revenues generated by weigh station operations.

“So we are going to have to make some operational adjustments there as well,” Patterson said.

“Likely, all weigh stations will remain open; it’s just how much improvements will be made,” Patterson said. “Many of those weigh stations are old and functionally obsolete.”

Patterson said the reduction in weigh station revolving fund revenues won’t impact spending on new so-called port-of-entry weigh and inspection stations at the state’s borders.
What it eventually will affect is maintenance at the current weigh stations or operations at the permitting office, Patterson said.

- ODOT hit with $28.5 million in budget cuts - Tulsa World: Capitol Report (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/odot-hit-with-million-in-budget-cuts/article_1022bdca-2363-570d-99ed-d9c05df4ee13.html)


Some info about the long range plan meeting


The Oklahoma Department of Transportation plans to hold three public hearings on the state’s Long Range Transportation Plan for 2015-2040.

The hearings will be held June 10, Muskogee Civic Center, Muskogee; June 11, Moore Public Library; and June 12 at the Frisco Center, Clinton.

Comments can also be mailed to ODOT Long Range Transportation Plan, 200 N.E. 21st St., Oklahoma City 73105 or submitted online at HOME (http://oklongrangeplan.org)

- ODOT hit with $28.5 million in budget cuts - Tulsa World: Capitol Report (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/odot-hit-with-million-in-budget-cuts/article_1022bdca-2363-570d-99ed-d9c05df4ee13.html)

So if anyone wants to go voice out in support of passenger rail funding in Oklahoma, perhaps this is the time do it. I still wish we get a separate rail commission.


The Long Range Transportation Plan is a policy context for transportation issues in Oklahoma for the next 25 years. In accordance with federal law, the Long Range Transportation Plan focuses on highways & bridges, public transportation, freight movement, passenger rail, bicycle & pedestrian networks, and access to air & water ports. This plan is updated every five years.

Just FYI, I will be submitting a comment about increasing passenger rail funding and building better interchanges than what is currently proposed.

News9


OKLAHOMA CITY - Millions of dollars for our roads and highways could soon be cut.
The Federal Highway Trust Fund is nearing an end unless congress acts. The House has passed a short term extension, but nothing has been finalized. This is an eight-year plan for the Oklahoma Department of Transportation. Now, it's in jeopardy, and that has some small businesses on alert.

"We hope the roads are maintained, and if they're not it trickles down to everybody," said Nathan Howell, with Affiliated Movers of OKC Inc.

Howell loves the company's roots but knows that if its home state's roads can't be maintained or updated, it could be costly to the company.

"[I have been in] Oklahoma since the beginning. Always been here, always will," said Howell. "We move some very delicate things. It affects the wear and tear on our trucks. It affects the time if we have to re-route our drivers."

Howell's concerns are in the same gear as the Oklahoma Department of Transportation (ODOT), which relies on an annual $500 million from the Highway Trust Fund.

"The worst part of this is the uncertainty. It's not knowing from day to day, letting a contractor working on a project and having to stop payments," said Terri Angier with ODOT.

And without those federal dollars, 37 projects in August alone will take a direct hit, and the entire eight year plan is basically trash. For example, the next construction phases at I-235 and I-44.

"It would be irresponsible if we don't know," said Angier.

Howell does know a fix from D.C. is vital.

"We are not a big business. We don't have the newest and biggest trucks so it's important to have good roads," said Howell.

"We need to start getting with the times and come up with a more permanent solution," said Angier.

The ongoing project at I-40 and Mustang Rd. would be put on hold if no decision is made by Congress,

Congress has until the end of the month, or when it breaks for recess, to make a decision on the future of the funds.

- Funding For Oklahoma Roads Could Get Cut - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/26037774/funding-for-oklahoma-roads-could-get-cut)

I want a rail system like Dallas. They can keep the roads.

Anyone catch the show on OETA the other day about gas taxes/road funding/etc? I didn't get to see much of it, but what I did see seemed to be a great explanation of where we stand respectively on how much we pay to maintain our roads (taxes). Sort of a "you get what you pay for" and comparing that to what other countries pay. Gave some good analogies on numbers of cars in 1980 vs today and the corolation between the way funding and construction hasn't gone up proportionally to the number of cars on the road. I did not watch to see if they mentioned anything about mass transit...which I feel like should be part of the discussion. Of course, I'm not shy about saying I think commuter rail will have to be done in one large project in OKC or it wont ever take off, but that's another topic.

I want a rail system like Dallas. They can keep the roads.I want a super higher way system. :p

I want a super higher way system. :p

So about 4 of these on top of each other?

http://www.johnlund.com/images/JL-interchange__2FG.jpg

Comparing Road, Bridge Quality by State - Real Time Economics - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/07/16/interactive-maps-comparing-road-bridge-quality-by-state/)

Looks like we're very middle of the road

Rehabilitation project scheduled for Belle Isle bridge in Oklahoma City | News OK (http://newsok.com/rehabilitation-project-scheduled-for-belle-isle-bridge-in-oklahoma-city/article/5154719)

I just don't understand why ODOT puts patches on things.

Here's an idea, lets reroute traffic, close it down, and just rebuild the whole thing! My god, it existed before the interstates did. Infrastructure doesn't last forever...especially just patchwork. Remember the old Crosstown? People were afraid to drive on it and that's what this is gonna turn into!


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That's what I would do. I would also build it below grade as well.

So...where would you propose we get the half billion or so that it would take to do that?

So...where would you propose we get the half billion or so that it would take to do that?oh geez I don't know... I'll reach into my wallet and pay for it out of pocket.

Probably about as good a plan as any.

Ooh! Wait, I know! We could start our own space program and fly to the moon to mine moon rocks to make the concrete out of! That way we can spend, like, a TRILLION dollars that we don't have!

Hang on...maybe instead it could be an OKC-funded SPACE ELEVATOR TO MARS!

Ooh! Wait, I know! We could start our own space program and fly to the moon to mine moon rocks to make the concrete out of! That way we can spend, like, a TRILLION dollars that we don't have!We're making progress here! Like your thinking. But a trillion dollars seems a bit low. I KNOW.... WE'LL SPEND TWO TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That way after we spend a trillion, we can spend another trillion building out endless sprawl that will cause the need to increase the budget and force us to develop new technology because the moon will have then be mined out and it will throw our weather patterns off, thus needing funding for future weather modification research and not counting the need to keep the infrastructure up out in the sprawl that has reached the Arbuckles. It is just great.

When we go into extreme debt because of the endless sprawl and CATASTROPHIC weather events because of the moon being completely mined, we can just go mine another moon, ON ANOTHER PLANET!!!!!!!!!

Here's a great video for the youngens about condensation. We all love that condensation !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS1RIyR6uW8

Exit to growth: Yukon sees promise in new interchange at I-40, Frisco Road | The Journal Record (http://journalrecord.com/2014/08/18/exit-to-growth-yukon-sees-promise-in-new-interchange-at-i-40-frisco-road-real-estate/)

Oklahoma Transportation Commission Approves ODOT's New 8-Year Co - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/26478698/oklahoma-transportation-commission-approves-odots-new-8-year-construction-plan)

Here is a direct link to the new 8 year plan. Some really good stuff

Construction Work Plan (http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/cwp-8-year-plan/index.htm)

Pete, is there any way for threads to not show up as updated when they are posted on by someone you've got ignored? I've got PluPlan on ignore but the threads are still showing up under Latest Posts (like this one).
Pete, is there any way for posts like this one to disappear because it should have been a Private Message directly to you instead of a public post, unless it was a thinly veiled passive-aggressive shot at "someone you've got ignored."

Pete, is there any way for posts like this one to disappear because it should have been a Private Message directly to you instead of a public post, unless it was a thinly veiled passive-aggressive shot at "someone you've got ignored."

Of which yours is also a passive-aggressive shot...

If I click the like link on any of these last few posts, is it also passive-aggressive? ;)

Pete, is there any way for threads to not show up as updated when they are posted on by someone you've got ignored? I've got PluPlan on ignore but the threads are still showing up under Latest Posts (like this one).
Ouch

Don't worry PluPan not everyone has you on ignore. I just choose to take your posts with a grain of salt! ;)

Don't worry PluPan not everyone has you on ignore. I just choose to take your posts with a grain of salt! ;)well that makes me feel better ;)

well that makes me feel better ;)

Well for what it's worth I appreciate the many interesting articles and updates you contribute.

Well for what it's worth I appreciate the many interesting articles and updates you contribute.thanks man. It's good to know my countless hours posting on here are pleasing someone out there lol....

I don't have you on ignore. Just ribbing you. You were on a roll there with your posts and I was just being internety. :)I see :p

I'll try and tone down my highway posting ;)

thanks man. It's good to know my countless hours posting on here are pleasing someone out there lol....

I have you on ignore. There...can't let that head of yours get too big. :-P lol

Definitely an ODOT thread.
Whole lot of yakking back and forth, not much overall progress on the ground.
:) :) :)

From News9


ODOT Says It's 'Revolutionizing' Bridge Building In Oklahoma

MANNFORD, Oklahoma - The Oklahoma Department of Transportation said it's revolutionizing bridge building. It said it's found the secret to speeding up the process, but it is slow, only an inch or so at a time.

Crews are replacing a bridge right now just west of Mannford, and engineers said it has never been done this way in the state.

It's more common on the east and west coasts, and the process is all to help drivers. The project would typically take six months, but with the new technology, it's set to only take 21 days.

It's the talk of the town, as more than 500 tons of concrete are slowly sliding into place near Mannford.

“How do you move a bridge, ya know,” asked Mannford resident, Billy Cole. “When I was a little boy, the bridges were mostly wood, you know.”

It's a construction project that beats all Cole has ever seen.

“We just know they're doing it, but we don't know how,” he said. “A bridge being moved, to me that's an impossibility.”

ODOT has been working for nearly a year to replace the Cottonwood Creek bridge without having to close a section of Highway 51, until now.

ODOT Construction Engineer, Mark Zishka said, “The more you can do to reduce the construction time the less you'll impact the motorist going to work."

Zishka said crews actually built the new bridge beside the old one, so the road could stay open for drivers.

Then on Monday, workers tore down the tattered bridge and started using hydraulics to push the new one into its place.

- read more here: ODOT Says It's 'Revolutionizing' Bridge Building In Oklahoma - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/26581354/odot-says-theyre-revolutionizing-bridge-building-in-oklahoma)

This is cool!

In Oklahoma City, a $1 million grant to the Oklahoma City Redevelopment Authority will help fund street improvements that will improve access and add streetscape beautification to serve the western gateway into the University of Oklahoma Health Center and bioscience campus.


- US Commerce Dept. Invests $4.6 Million In Oklahoma - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/26593405/us-commerce-dept-invests-46-million-in-oklahoma)

They did something similar on the Pecos bridge over I-70 just west of Downtown Denver earlier this year. Pretty interesting method.

This is really good news!


Oklahoma City gets informative digital highway signs

For more than a decade, digital message boards above highway roads across the Oklahoma City metro area have given drivers updates related to construction zones, accidents and emergency alerts.

Now, the state Transportation Department’s next major phase utilizing the informative signs was put in gear Thursday. Its goal: create an even “smarter” highway experience, officials reported.

(Story continued below...)
Up-to-the-minute traffic conditions displayed during morning and evening rush hours will now aid drivers with estimated travel times. Signs are strategically placed to give drivers the chance to alter their route if message boards report long wait times ahead, said department spokeswoman Terri Angier.

“The new angle is the travel times,” Angier said. “This helps us meet the needs of the driving public in a metropolitan area.”

About half a dozen signs in the metro area began the program Thursday. Angier said all 21 message boards in the metro will implement the system in November.

Real-time traffic information will be displayed weekdays around rush hour, from 6 to 9 a.m. and 3 to 6 p.m. Emergency alerts, though, will always “outrank” travel time information, she said.

Anyone also can access the department’s Pathfinder system at oktraffic.org. An interactive map displays message board locations, live roadway video and current traffic speeds.

The Tulsa area has 19 signs in place. Those will start the program following Oklahoma City’s completion, she said.

- Oklahoma City gets informative digital highway signs | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-gets-informative-digital-highway-signs/article/5357193)


The department’s next project, costing approximately $1.5 million, will concern installing new message boards at major “ports-of-entry” along the state’s borders. This will give drivers entering the state immediate information about the state’s roadways.

Angier said that project will begin next summer. At least seven entry points are planned to get new signs, she said.

About time. Never understood why they didn't have it already.

When will they actually finish the weigh stations that might actually help preserve road conditions?

On-going construction could interfere with your commute | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2014/10/23/on-going-construction-could-interfere-with-your-commute/)

OHP: Huge Hole Opens On Highway 412 Bridge Near Sand Springs - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/27058082/ohp-four-by-four-foot-hole-opens-up-on-highway-412-bridge-west-of-sand-springs)

From News9


OKLAHOMA CITY - The Oklahoma Department of Transportation (ODOT) will do its final round of testing 21 electronic signs in Oklahoma City, on Wednesday.
The electronic signs were installed over the course of the past few years, and the agency plans to set up more near the borders of Texas, Arkansas and Kansas.

Special sensors measure speed of the cars passing through and send the data to a computer system which posts the information to the signs. Along with real-time travel information, Amber Alerts, Silver Alerts and weather-related road closures will be posted as well.

So far signs are on I-35, I-40, I-44 and on Broadway Extension.

ODOT plans to display this information every weekday from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. The agency says the boards will be in full use beginning Monday, November 10.

- ODOT Testing Electronic Signs In OKC Wednesday - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/27284505/odot-testing-electronic-signs-in-okc-wednesday)

From News9

Better late than never. First signs went up over 10 years ago.

Next thing they need to do is release an app shows this information and update their website that looks like it was developed in the 90's.

http://www.oktraffic.org.

From the Journal Record:

ODOT seeking public input for long-range plan

By: Journal Record Staff November 7, 2014

OKLAHOMA CITY – The Oklahoma Department of Transportation is asking the public to take an active role in planning state transportation policies and improvements for the next 25 years.

It has scheduled three open house public meetings in eastern, central and western Oklahoma in November as part of its ongoing development of the state’s 2015-2040 long-range transportation plan. The meetings will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m.

The first meeting will be Nov. 17 at Muskogee Civic Center, 425 Boston St. in Muskogee. The second meeting will occur in Clinton on Nov. 18 at the Frisco Center, 101 S. Fourth St. The final meeting will be Nov. 19 at the Moore Public Library, 225 S. Howard Ave., Moore.

These open-house meetings will give members of the public a chance to meet with engineers and planners, propose ideas and review materials on the existing conditions and needed improvements to Oklahoma’s transportation system.

Guthrie landowners say ODOT is taking land unfairly | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2014/11/19/guthrie-landowners-say-odot-is-taking-land-unfairly/)

Guthrie landowners say ODOT is taking land unfairly | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2014/11/19/guthrie-landowners-say-odot-is-taking-land-unfairly/)

I'm really curious about this... TV news stories don't tell the full story. The Cottonwood Bridge IS already on a state highway (SH33). What does ODOT mean by it WILL be a state highway?

Also, why does ODOT need to purchase ROW from over 50 properties for a simple bridge replacement? Is Guthrie going to go from a quaint old bridge to some monstrous replacement?

I'm really curious about this... TV news stories don't tell the full story. The Cottonwood Bridge IS already on a state highway (SH33). What does ODOT mean by it WILL be a state highway?

Also, why does ODOT need to purchase ROW from over 50 properties for a simple bridge replacement? Is Guthrie going to go from a quaint old bridge to some monstrous replacement?

The bridge is three times as long as the current bridge and involves closing down three streets. I guess they recycled the original boulevard plans? lol

ODOT Presentation
Public Hearing - 8th of May, 2014 (http://www.odot.org/meetings/a2014/140508/index.htm)

I'm really curious about this... TV news stories don't tell the full story. The Cottonwood Bridge IS already on a state highway (SH33). What does ODOT mean by it WILL be a state highway?

I think the part of SH33 WILL be a state highway is attributed to the narrator.

I'm really curious about this... TV news stories don't tell the full story. The Cottonwood Bridge IS already on a state highway (SH33). What does ODOT mean by it WILL be a state highway?

Also, why does ODOT need to purchase ROW from over 50 properties for a simple bridge replacement? Is Guthrie going to go from a quaint old bridge to some monstrous replacement?
From what I understand, the reconstruction of the bridge is to be 4 lane, taller, wider, and longer for the expanded flood plain. It is largely supported in Guthrie from the people I've spoken with what they have have told. I guess some are just upset they aren't getting the price they want, and understandably so. You can't please everyone. I will say this bridge is needed.

As for the highway comment, I'm sure it was poor wording.