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catch22
03-11-2019, 11:25 AM
So does the I-35 & I-240 construction start or complete in FY2021?
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Construction begins in those years. The year reflects the budget year the funds will begin to be paid out to the contractor.

jn1780
05-07-2019, 02:55 PM
Paving contract awarded for NW Expressway. Also of note, ODOT approved new 'groved' pavement markings.

https://newsok.com/article/5630661/northwest-expressway-resurfacing-project-expected-to-start-in-june

OKC Guy
05-07-2019, 03:40 PM
Paving contract awarded for NW Expressway. Also of note, ODOT approved new 'groved' pavement markings.

https://newsok.com/article/5630661/northwest-expressway-resurfacing-project-expected-to-start-in-june

Great to hear! And its basically from Hefner Parkway to Turnpike! Also going to change all lights to LED. And most work will be done at night. And once done NWE will be changed over to OKC maintained (its not now)

“The Oklahoma Transportation Commission on Monday awarded a $6 million project to resurface nearly 7 miles of Northwest Expressway from State Highway 74 northwest to the John Kilpatrick Turnpike.”

d-usa
05-07-2019, 03:47 PM
Are they going to fill them with better paint instead of the stuff they use everywhere else?

jn1780
05-07-2019, 03:56 PM
Are they going to fill them with better paint instead of the stuff they use everywhere else?

I think the main idea is that existing paint doesn't wear as fast because its flush with the road?

d-usa
05-07-2019, 04:41 PM
But even roads with fresh markings become invisible in any night time rain, so the crap paint will last longer but it will still be barely visible.

OKC Guy
05-07-2019, 05:19 PM
But even roads with fresh markings become invisible in any night time rain, so the crap paint will last longer but it will still be barely visible.

The problem is we can’t use markers like seen in southern states the snow plows would scrape them off. So its a challenge. I’ll be happy with just better paint that glows in dark when headlights hit it. Most of our current markings all over the metro are peeled up and not very visible even in perfect weather/light.

PaddyShack
05-08-2019, 08:37 AM
The problem is we can’t use markers like seen in southern states the snow plows would scrape them off. So its a challenge. I’ll be happy with just better paint that glows in dark when headlights hit it. Most of our current markings all over the metro are peeled up and not very visible even in perfect weather/light.

I get that they might get scrapped off but... that shouldn't be a problem as the only road that ever gets plowed is the turnpike...

jn1780
05-08-2019, 08:41 AM
I get that they might get scrapped off but... that shouldn't be a problem as the only road that ever gets plowed is the turnpike...

Actually, reading more about grooved payment markings is that you can justify using the more expensive tape and paint because it doesnt get scraped off nearly as fast.

rte66man
05-09-2019, 04:21 AM
Great to hear! And its basically from Hefner Parkway to Turnpike! Also going to change all lights to LED. And most work will be done at night. And once done NWE will be changed over to OKC maintained (its not now)


It will still be a State highway (OK3) so why would OKC take over maintenance?

bombermwc
05-09-2019, 07:32 AM
I think OKC already took over between Classen and 44? The state was really pushing to making it city-maintained. The city was ok with it because they could re-pave it/etc more often than the state could.

Scott5114
05-09-2019, 01:57 PM
They did—that section used to be a separate highway, State Highway 3A. OKC took it over and the SH-3A designation was removed from the system.

rte66man
05-13-2019, 05:42 PM
Yes, but the thread is referring to the stretch between Hefner Parkway and the Kilpatrick. I can't see the state turning it over as that would make OK3 discontinuous

OKC Guy
05-13-2019, 09:19 PM
Yes, but the thread is referring to the stretch between Hefner Parkway and the Kilpatrick. I can't see the state turning it over as that would make OK3 discontinuous

Its already approved so basically a done deal once its repaced. This helps get things done faster and with bigger consideration for OKC. For example if OKC wants to run more buses up NWE all the way to Council they won’t need state approval to add a several stops along NWE. They can improve medians and add more/longer turn lanes without state approval. Can add trees or other items. Lots of things that currently take forever and we just cut out the fat in a manner of speaking.

Scott5114
05-15-2019, 01:21 AM
Yes, but the thread is referring to the stretch between Hefner Parkway and the Kilpatrick. I can't see the state turning it over as that would make OK3 discontinuous

Some other states allow state numbered routes to be physically owned and controlled by local entities (Vermont is a prominent example, as they have an entirely different design for highway markers used on locally-maintained routes, but the numbers are continuous between state- and local-maintained roads). In other states, this is not the case—state highway routes must be state maintained. Kansas is proposing some extremely silly routings for K-7 to allow them to turn over a stretch of the present-day highway to Olathe.

I am not sure which camp Oklahoma falls in.

Scott5114
06-30-2019, 03:23 AM
Yes, but the thread is referring to the stretch between Hefner Parkway and the Kilpatrick. I can't see the state turning it over as that would make OK3 discontinuous

I have just found the agenda for the meeting. They are proposing to turn over the section between Hefner Parkway and the Kilpatrick Turnpike. To keep SH-3 continuous, it will overlap SH-4 through Yukon until I-40, and follow I-40 to I-44. The section of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the Kilpatrick Turnpike will become a new version of SH-3A.

rte66man
06-30-2019, 08:20 AM
I have just found the agenda for the meeting. They are proposing to turn over the section between Hefner Parkway and the Kilpatrick Turnpike. To keep SH-3 continuous, it will overlap SH-4 through Yukon until I-40, and follow I-40 to I-44. The section of Northwest Expressway between SH-4 and the Kilpatrick Turnpike will become a new version of SH-3A.

That is insane. Why would OKC take over a VERY substandard arterial? About 20 years ago, ODOT reworked NW Expressway from Portland to MacArthur (curbs, better left hand turn lanes, etc.) Other than offsetting some of the left turn lanes between MacArthur and Rockwell, they have done NOTHING to improve the road. The intersection with Rockwell is a disaster. Drainage is terrible as they have let the grass and dirt pile up so much that the runoff can't reach the bar ditches. Besides, those need to be formal storm drains. No sidewalks at all. The "bridge" west of MacArthur is so bad people have to walk in the eastbound roadway. The list of problems is huge. That is why I can't figure this transfer out.

mugofbeer
06-30-2019, 09:23 AM
I suspect it has to do with funding for future projects. If it is a state hiway, but the city wants to do something - like replace that McArthur bridge, they can't- and the state has no plans to do it. At this point the city may be better able to take care of it.

OKC Guy
08-06-2019, 05:35 PM
Heads up:


Oklahoma Department of Transportation
@OKDOT
OKC REMINDER: SH-3/N.W. Expressway will be narrowed to one lane in each direction between SH-74/Lake Hefner Pkwy and Meridian Ave. from 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. nightly and continuing on weeknights through October for a resurfacing project.
5:00 PM · Aug 6, 2019·

Plutonic Panda
08-08-2019, 11:05 AM
FYI, there is a survey out to give your input to the new long term plan for OkDOT:

https://www.oklongrangeplan.org/

David
08-08-2019, 01:36 PM
Taking it now.

Interesting to see pictures of the streetcar as an example for one of the questions.

Plutonic Panda
08-12-2019, 01:50 PM
Pertaining to OkDOT:

https://rebuildsocal.org/senate-committee-approves-287b-five-year-highway-bill/

Hopefully some monies in this bill go towards rebuilding and expanding our freeways in Oklahoma and especially SoCal. Though they have essentially blacklisted me from communications, every so often they answer back and I will email ODOT to inquire about a possible rebuild and redesign of the I-44/I-40 interchange.

HOT ROD
08-19-2019, 12:29 PM
does Oklahoma City have their own DOT? If not, it is high time for the city to implement one.

so tired of ODOT seemingly handling all city street/road/freeway projects where the idea is usually 1) cheap/on-the-cheap 2) no foliage/landscaping 3) no pedestrian interaction or consideration 4) no attention to existing city fabric.

Prime example of this is the "new" I-40 crosstown named Oklahoma City boulevard. It will be nice once ODOT hands that over that OKC-DOT redesigns it such that 1) the overpass at Classen is removed and instead replaced with either a grand traffic circle OR at least stop lights 2) Exchange Avenue and Reno cluster is rebuilt into another grand intersection (like before or a traffic circle) and 3) landscaping and foliage is added along the once redesigned TRUE BOULEVARD routing.

If we have to have it, then why not really have a grand boulevard that is a LANDSCAPED BOULEVARD and not just a I-40 Business Route that it currently will open as.

I'm not against the Oklahoma City boulevard at all but I am horrified at how ODOT designed and built it since it is NOT a boulevard except for the 4 or so blocks Walker to EK Gaylord and even then there doesn't seem to be any worthwhile landscaping or pedestrian interests (you know, contiguous grade separated bike lanes AND separated sidewalks AND theme lighting).

I think Eric Winger and staff could do better than what ODOT is implementing; but hopefully the city could just create a new DOT road/rail/bike lane/sidewalk design department/engineer different from Eric whose focus has been vehicular traffic flow (which is also needed btw, but i don't think one person/department can do/focus on both).

Plutonic Panda
08-19-2019, 01:38 PM
^^^ Agreed 100 percent!

jn1780
08-20-2019, 01:14 PM
does Oklahoma City have their own DOT? If not, it is high time for the city to implement one.

so tired of ODOT seemingly handling all city street/road/freeway projects where the idea is usually 1) cheap/on-the-cheap 2) no foliage/landscaping 3) no pedestrian interaction or consideration 4) no attention to existing city fabric.

Prime example of this is the "new" I-40 crosstown named Oklahoma City boulevard. It will be nice once ODOT hands that over that OKC-DOT redesigns it such that 1) the overpass at Classen is removed and instead replaced with either a grand traffic circle OR at least stop lights 2) Exchange Avenue and Reno cluster is rebuilt into another grand intersection (like before or a traffic circle) and 3) landscaping and foliage is added along the once redesigned TRUE BOULEVARD routing.

If we have to have it, then why not really have a grand boulevard that is a LANDSCAPED BOULEVARD and not just a I-40 Business Route that it currently will open as.

I'm not against the Oklahoma City boulevard at all but I am horrified at how ODOT designed and built it since it is NOT a boulevard except for the 4 or so blocks Walker to EK Gaylord and even then there doesn't seem to be any worthwhile landscaping or pedestrian interests (you know, contiguous grade separated bike lanes AND separated sidewalks AND theme lighting).

I think Eric Winger and staff could do better than what ODOT is implementing; but hopefully the city could just create a new DOT road/rail/bike lane/sidewalk design department/engineer different from Eric whose focus has been vehicular traffic flow (which is also needed btw, but i don't think one person/department can do/focus on both).

I agree with it being called I-40 business route, that's basically what it is.

However, I don't see that classen overpass being removed. That would be seen as insane by most people in the city since millions of dollars was spent on it and it would take millions more to "fix" it.

Plutonic Panda
08-24-2019, 12:41 PM
State drops to 41st in highway report


Oklahoma’s highway system ranks 41st in the nation in overall cost-effectiveness and condition, according to the Annual Highway Report published Thursday by Reason Foundation

https://journalrecord.com/2019/08/22/state-drops-to-41st-in-highway-report/

Plutonic Panda
11-22-2019, 05:33 PM
I recommend giving your input to OkDOT for this. Hopefully a Heartland Flyer extension is eyed but I doubt it.



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 22, 2019
PR# 19-043


The Oklahoma Department of Transportation wants to hear from the public about the state’s planned transportation projects and programs for various modes of travel over the next four years. The agency is currently seeking feedback on the Statewide Transportation Improvement Program for Federal Fiscal Year 2020 through 2023. The STIP is a planning document required by federal guidelines that details a list of upcoming projects using federal funds by the state, local and tribal governments.

The FFY 2020 through 2023 STIP include:

Highway and interstate projects by ODOT;
Federal programs administered by ODOT, including county and small city, railroad crossing safety, active transportation and enhancement projects;
Tribal transportation projects;
Local government projects by member communities of the Association of Central Oklahoma Governments in the Oklahoma City metro area, the Indian Nations Council of Governments in the greater Tulsa area, the Lawton Metropolitan Planning Organization and the Frontier Metropolitan Planning Organization, which includes Oklahoma cities and towns in the Fort Smith, Ark. area; and
Public transit programs administered by ODOT
“The STIP gives the public a great snapshot of the federally-funded projects and programs across multiple modes of transportation that they can expect to see in their communities during the next few years,” Deputy Director Dawn Sullivan said. “Federal funds are essential for improving our transportation system, so we hope Oklahomans will take time to review this plan to see how those dollars are going to be spent.”

The full proposed STIP can be viewed online at www.odot.org by clicking the Programs and Projects tab and then clicking Transportation Programs. A printed copy of the STIP can be requested by contacting ODOT’s Strategic Asset and Performance Management Division at 405-521-6433.

Comments may be made via email to smcelroy@odot.org or in writing to the Oklahoma Department of Transportation, SAPM Division, 200 N.E. 21st St., Oklahoma City, OK, 73105. Comments will be taken through Dec. 6.

Substantive comments will be addressed and will be incorporated into the final document that will be forwarded to the Federal Highway Administration and the Federal Transit Administration later in December for review and approval.”

- https://www.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=277&article_id=55063

CloudDeckMedia
01-27-2020, 08:18 AM
According to this story by Carmen Forman in the Oklahoman https://oklahoman.com/article/5653341/stitt-aims-to-merge-department-of-transportation-turnpike-authority Gov. Stitt is floating the idea of combining ODOT and the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority. Claimed benefits: Mutual access to sand/salt, lower administrative costs, OTA tolls could pay for ODOT projects. Trans. Sec’y Gatz seems to support the idea, and Sen. Pro Tem Greg Treat has filed a bill to consolidate ODOT & OTA.

PaddyShack
01-27-2020, 09:14 AM
According to this story by Carmen Forman in the Oklahoman https://oklahoman.com/article/5653341/stitt-aims-to-merge-department-of-transportation-turnpike-authority Gov. Stitt is floating the idea of combining ODOT and the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority. Claimed benefits: Mutual access to sand/salt, lower administrative costs, OTA tolls could pay for ODOT projects. Trans. Sec’y Gatz seems to support the idea, and Sen. Pro Tem Greg Treat has filed a bill to consolidate ODOT & OTA.

Took me a hot minute to figure out your Trans. Sec'y abbreviation... Haha

Plutonic Panda
01-27-2020, 09:24 AM
According to this story by Carmen Forman in the Oklahoman https://oklahoman.com/article/5653341/stitt-aims-to-merge-department-of-transportation-turnpike-authority Gov. Stitt is floating the idea of combining ODOT and the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority. Claimed benefits: Mutual access to sand/salt, lower administrative costs, OTA tolls could pay for ODOT projects. Trans. Sec’y Gatz seems to support the idea, and Sen. Pro Tem Greg Treat has filed a bill to consolidate ODOT & OTA.

I think this would be a great move. I am very impressed with Stitt. I am not crazy about him but he does seem to be shaking things up in Oklahoma and not sticking to the status quo so far. I was worried we would have a Fallin V2.

I know this is a pipe dream but it would really be nice to see tolls removed entirely on I-44.

HangryHippo
01-27-2020, 10:41 AM
I thought they had been combined previously...? Was that just some administrative functions?

CloudDeckMedia
01-27-2020, 11:00 AM
I thought they had been combined previously...? Was that just some administrative functions?

The story didn't say that any functions had been previously combined, but it did mention a 1995 study that estimated $3 million in annual savings.

I suspect that the OTA bond language prohibits any toll revenue from going outside the OTA.

d-usa
01-27-2020, 03:24 PM
Will they raise Turnpike rates to fill non-Turnpike budget holes?

CloudDeckMedia
01-27-2020, 03:32 PM
Will they raise Turnpike rates to fill non-Turnpike budget holes?

I'm pretty sure that diverting toll revenue to non-OTA purposes would breach bond agreements.

If ODOT wanted access to OTA's salt/sand during storms, that could be accomplished by an MOU where the State agrees to either pay for the material or replenish the supply.

Plutonic Panda
02-13-2020, 09:28 PM
More than likely I-35 will be widened soon from I-44 to I-40. It is sorely needed just as bad for deficiency and outdated designs.

Apart from capacity expansion, hopefully nice design aesthetics are incorporated and possibly service road modifications are made connecting the entire length and moving from two to one way with Texas turnarounds. The road infrastructure is so bad in this area it’s not funny.

Here is the link to the meeting: https://www.ok.gov/odot/Programs_and_Projects/Public_Meetings_and_Hearings/20200218.html

Looks like the full scope will be revealed after a multi year study concludes. Not sure if full funding is available in the 8yr plan or not. Last I checked it didn’t look like it.

BoulderSooner
02-14-2020, 07:11 AM
More than likely I-35 will be widened soon from I-44 to I-40. It is sorely needed just as bad for deficiency and outdated designs.

Apart from capacity expansion, hopefully nice design aesthetics are incorporated and possibly service road modifications are made connecting the entire length and moving from two to one way with Texas turnarounds. The road infrastructure is so bad in this area it’s not funny.

Here is the link to the meeting: https://www.ok.gov/odot/Programs_and_Projects/Public_Meetings_and_Hearings/20200218.html

Looks like the full scope will be revealed after a multi year study concludes. Not sure if full funding is available in the 8yr plan or not. Last I checked it didn’t look like it.

the first part of this project is in 2027 Odot 8 year plan

Plutonic Panda
02-14-2020, 07:15 AM
^^^ I hope it gets bumped up. If Trumps infrastructure plan becomes a reality maybe more fed funds can be identified.

gopokes88
02-14-2020, 11:29 AM
Would much rather have a 44/40 interchange rebuild before that

HangryHippo
02-14-2020, 11:37 AM
Would much rather have a 44/40 interchange rebuild before that
This!

Plutonic Panda
02-14-2020, 06:48 PM
Would much rather have a 44/40 interchange rebuild before that

That is interchange is easily going to approach half a billion dollars if it isn’t half assed. It also appears the bridges over the Canadian river are going to be modified in some way if not completely rebuilt. I would prefer the latter with a new large iconic bridge like the new ones in Dallas but given the already enormous expense this project will require I doubt that happens. Given OkDOTs usual pace I doubt we see much done in this decade unless they receive a big funding boost.

The section of I-35 in question is extremely important as well. We just need more funding and the legislators need to give ODOT a multi billion dollar per year funding boost if they are serious about bringing Oklahoma in line with other leading states.

mugofbeer
02-14-2020, 06:48 PM
I bet the folks in NE OK City and County don't agree with you. That stretch of l35 is as it was in 1965.

SEMIweather
02-14-2020, 08:14 PM
The 44/40 interchange, the 35/240 interchange, and the stretch of I-35 between I-40 & I-44 all really need to be updated faster than what's currently scheduled.

mugofbeer
02-14-2020, 08:52 PM
The 44/40 interchange, the 35/240 interchange, and the stretch of I-35 between I-40 & I-44 all really need to be updated faster than what's currently scheduled.

Along with a whole bunch of other projects. Being in Denver, I'd love to see a much more direct route between OKC and Denver.

Bunty
02-14-2020, 09:36 PM
State drops to 41st in highway report



https://journalrecord.com/2019/08/22/state-drops-to-41st-in-highway-report/

Not surprised after the gas tax was raised and not for the purpose of fixing the bridges and highways. Too bad how people in Oklahoma don't put a higher priority on the highway system.

emtefury
02-14-2020, 09:48 PM
Along with a whole bunch of other projects. Being in Denver, I'd love to see a much more direct route between OKC and Denver.

It is called flying in an airplane.

Plutonic Panda
02-14-2020, 11:39 PM
Along with a whole bunch of other projects. Being in Denver, I'd love to see a much more direct route between OKC and Denver.

They need to plan on and OKC to Denver interstate along with extending I-45 through Oklahoma to Bartlesville at least.

rte66man
02-15-2020, 05:56 PM
They need to plan on and OKC to Denver interstate along with extending I-45 through Oklahoma to Bartlesville at least.

PluPan, most of the time I agree with you on roads, but...BARTLESVILLE??

Plutonic Panda
02-15-2020, 06:23 PM
PluPan, most of the time I agree with you on roads, but...BARTLESVILLE??
Extend I-45 to tulsa. Shouldn’t Bartlesville have a freeway connection to Tulsa and it makes sense for it to be I-45 no?

scottk
02-15-2020, 07:55 PM
Extend I-45 to tulsa. Shouldn’t Bartlesville have a freeway connection to Tulsa and it makes sense for it to be I-45 no?

They basically do now with HWY 75 just south of Bartlesville city limits. It's four lane divided and the heavy traffic areas towards North Tulsa/Owasso/Skiatook provide controlled access.

Bartlesville is a community of 35,000, it would seem odd to have the terminus there. Ideally, the I-45 route could connect all the way to I-35 east of Emporia on the KTA, or extend it all the way to Topeka or west Kansas City along I-70. This could provide some relief of traffic on I-35 towards Dallas and be a major truck route with the Walmart Distribution Center just south of Bartlesville. The Amazon Distribution Center in Coffeyville, KS did close a few years ago in 2014-2015, so there may not be much of a demand on the Kansas side.

mugofbeer
02-15-2020, 08:56 PM
There's already an interstate running from Joplin, MO (and points south) to KC. Kansas has upgraded a US hiway just on the KS side of the KS/MO border to mostly limited access standards so KS probably wouldnt upgrade anything else in that region. There's just not enough traffic. Maybe just build some bypasses around some of the small towns.

Laramie
02-16-2020, 01:35 PM
OKC is situated in a great geographical position with Tulsa I-44 east, Wichita & Kansas City I-35 north, Dallas & San Antonio I-35 south, Little Rock & Memphis I-40 east and Denver, we could use a direct major interstate link without having to link from Wichita to Denver; a direct interstate link to Denver thru Oklahoma would improve total access to major points via automobile with OKC as the apex.


https://www.ok.gov/wagonercounty/images/demotrMajorMarkets.jpg

SEMIweather
02-16-2020, 02:54 PM
A direct interstate route between OKC and Denver would be nice, but honestly, I-35 to I-135 to I-70 isn't the worst thing in the world, there are exactly zero cities of note after Wichita on that route so there's very low traffic for the majority of it. It is, in my opinion, a far more pleasant drive than OKC/Austin and OKC/Houston despite being 3-4 hours longer than either of those.

mugofbeer
02-17-2020, 10:58 PM
A direct interstate route between OKC and Denver would be nice, but honestly, I-35 to I-135 to I-70 isn't the worst thing in the world, there are exactly zero cities of note after Wichita on that route so there's very low traffic for the majority of it. It is, in my opinion, a far more pleasant drive than OKC/Austin and OKC/Houston despite being 3-4 hours longer than either of those.

You are correct on most points except that it is such G-D boring drive, you just about want to drive your car off the road just for kicks! There should be an effort to just bypass some of the small tows to help shorten the drive.

Besides, looking at Laramie's map, it's a great example of 3(2) +4(2) =5(2). Adiagonal highway could cut 2 full hours off the drive.

OKC Guy
02-18-2020, 05:02 PM
Traffic Advisories

Proposed improvements to I-35 between I-40 and I-44 in Oklahoma City to be highlighted Feb. 18

The Oklahoma Department of Transportation will present a public meeting on Tuesday, Feb. 18, to gather input for improving the safety of I-35 and the frontage roads between the I-40 and I-44 junctions in the Oklahoma City metro.

The meeting's purpose is to discuss operational and safety improvements that can be made to the four interchanges, I-35, frontage roads and 13 bridges in the corridor. The meeting also will discuss the potential widening of I-35 from four lanes to six lanes.

The public meeting will include a presentation of potential designs and give the public an opportunity to ask questions and provide feedback on the study. The study will be available after the public meeting. Currently these projects are not scheduled in the Eight-year Construction Work Plan.

Public Meeting for I-35 between I-40 and I-44 junctions

Tuesday, February 18
6-7:30 p.m.
Lincoln Park Golf Course Event Center
4001 N.E. Grand Blvd. in Oklahoma City 73111

There also will be pop-up booths for those unable to attend the public meeting Feb. 18. These will be come-and-go events where the public can review the study, ask questions and give feedback.

Wednesday, February 19
11 a.m.- 2 p.m.
James Stewart Golf Course,Club House
824 Frederick Douglas St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73117

Thursday, February 20
11 a.m.- 2 p.m.
Metro Technology Center, Springlake Campus, outside the cafeteria
1900 Springlake Drive
Oklahoma City, OK 73111

Friday, February 21
11 a.m.- 2 p.m.
Ralph Ellison Library, Main Lobby
2000 N.E. 23rd St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73111

https://www.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=277&article_id=56160

baralheia
02-18-2020, 06:49 PM
You are correct on most points except that it is such G-D boring drive, you just about want to drive your car off the road just for kicks! There should be an effort to just bypass some of the small tows to help shorten the drive.

Besides, looking at Laramie's map, it's a great example of 3(2) +4(2) =5(2). Adiagonal highway could cut 2 full hours off the drive.

I-70 through Kansas and eastern Colorado is such a ridiculously boring drive. According to Google Maps, there is a more visually interesting and more direct route to Denver - I-40 west from OKC to US-281/Geary, US-281 to Watonga, US-270 from Watonga to Woodward, US-412 from Woodward to Boise City, US-385/287 from Boise City into Colorado through Lamar and Kit Carson to the I-70 interchange in Limon, then I-70 west into the city. This route is about 50 miles shorter, takes just about the same amount of time to drive, and is far more scenic than the I-70 route through Kansas.

Another option for a beautiful drive to Denver is to take I-40 west from OKC to the Loop 335 junction on the west side of Amarillo, Loop 335 north to FM-1061, FM-1061 west to US-385, US-385 north to US-87 in Dalhart, US-87 to the I-25 junction in Raton, then I-25 north through Colorado Springs into Denver. This route is about 10 miles / 30 minutes longer than the boring I-70 route, but it's 100% worth it especially for the drive through the gorgeous Raton Pass and along the front range.

ChrisHayes
02-18-2020, 07:27 PM
Amarillo is where the interstate to Denver needs to originate from. OKC to Amarillo, and hop on the interstate to Denver. I believe they're extending I-27 in Texas south of Lubbock. Extending it to Denver would be a good next step, IMO. But in all reality, aside from flying, there is no quick trip to Denver.

mugofbeer
02-18-2020, 08:37 PM
I-70 through Kansas and eastern Colorado is such a ridiculously boring drive. According to Google Maps, there is a more visually interesting and more direct route to Denver - I-40 west from OKC to US-281/Geary, US-281 to Watonga, US-270 from Watonga to Woodward, US-412 from Woodward to Boise City, US-385/287 from Boise City into Colorado through Lamar and Kit Carson to the I-70 interchange in Limon, then I-70 west into the city. This route is about 50 miles shorter, takes just about the same amount of time to drive, and is far more scenic than the I-70 route through Kansas.

Another option for a beautiful drive to Denver is to take I-40 west from OKC to the Loop 335 junction on the west side of Amarillo, Loop 335 north to FM-1061, FM-1061 west to US-385, US-385 north to US-87 in Dalhart, US-87 to the I-25 junction in Raton, then I-25 north through Colorado Springs into Denver. This route is about 10 miles / 30 minutes longer than the boring I-70 route, but it's 100% worth it especially for the drive through the gorgeous Raton Pass and along the front range.

All good alternatives and in the 75+ times I've driven the drive, I've taken all those alternatives (including my more recent drive through Stratford, TX, getting a warning ticket for going 73 in a 70). They are slower than the mind-numbing 170 to I135 route through KS, they are a little more enjoyable with the NM volcanoes and quicker views of the mountains.

Plutonic Panda
02-19-2020, 06:39 AM
A couple people are upset at the possibility of homes being needed for this project. Yes that happens with vital infrastructure needing to be expanded. Sad. That Oklahoma didn’t even prepare for a small widening to six lanes but soon will be needing to look at 10+ lanes in some areas in the coming decades. This stretch of freeway is terrible and a proper six lane with aux and service roads should serve this area for a long time.

https://kfor.com/news/tensions-flare-as-potential-i-35-construction-is-discussed/

https://www.koco.com/article/odot-officials-say-widening-of-busy-interstate-is-needed-for-growing-metro-area/30989871

David
02-19-2020, 09:09 AM
The meeting handouts and further details can be found for download at: https://www.ok.gov/odot/Programs_and_Projects/Public_Meetings_and_Hearings/20200218.html.

Honestly, what the hell are they thinking with that alternative 4 in particular? Hey, why don't we pave over every single stretch of retail and housing that happens to be next to the interstate, but not with more interstate but with giant, wide-ranging frontage roads.

HangryHippo
02-19-2020, 09:11 AM
A couple people are upset at the possibility of homes being needed for this project. Yes that happens with vital infrastructure needing to be expanded. Sad. That Oklahoma didn’t even prepare for a small widening to six lanes but soon will be needing to look at 10+ lanes in some areas in the coming decades. This stretch of freeway is terrible and a proper six lane with aux and service roads should serve this area for a long time.

https://kfor.com/news/tensions-flare-as-potential-i-35-construction-is-discussed/

https://www.koco.com/article/odot-officials-say-widening-of-busy-interstate-is-needed-for-growing-metro-area/30989871
Another example of ODOT's incredible planning for the future.