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Snowman 11-22-2014, 11:12 AM How can anyone feign surprise at finding asbestos in a 50ish year old building? Seems the surprise would be if it wasn't there.
It seems like it would have to just be on how much and where they found, if you looked at the ceilings in most of those buildings you knew it was there.
TheTravellers 11-25-2014, 03:56 PM Seriously, they're surprised? How many times do people working for the city/state have to be surprised before they start expecting things like this? This is getting silly, it's like they've never done this kind of work before, surprised at the cost overruns for damn near all of MAPS3, surprised at all the underground basements for P180, surprised at the Skydance bridge planks warping, surprised at the Lexington (I think that's where it is) bridge falling down when they tried to weld it, surprised at the crosswalk paint coming off the streets, ad nauseum..........................
HOT ROD 11-25-2014, 04:01 PM or the fairgrounds begging for more M3 capital funds when they already have an approved budget in addition to live revenue streams (I know, broken record).
It's only $259K on a $37.3 million budget.
The Fairgrounds portion of the budget has $2.8 million in contingency, but I have no idea how much of that has been spoken for.
It just amazes me the way this works. Budget overruns have to be approved by the appropriate chain but there is absolutely no way they can make informed decisions based on the information presented to them.
I'm still working on how a proper project report should be presented, BTW.
To me, this is the single biggest issue right now in City government.
HOT ROD 11-25-2014, 04:24 PM fairgrounds doesn't have $260K from profitable operations as the #1 Horse Show destination?
Starting work on the Expo building:
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rezman 12-08-2014, 05:37 PM Anyone know where the steam locomotive is going to be moved to?.
Paseofreak 12-08-2014, 05:43 PM They're going to throw it away. Horse shows don't need a steam locomotive.
CaptDave 12-08-2014, 11:07 PM Anyone know where the steam locomotive is going to be moved to?.
Oklahoma Rail Museum is getting it.
bombermwc 12-09-2014, 08:21 AM Glad to see these buildings go. They let them get in such bad disrepair that places like the T&T building actually had HOLES rusted through the side. I kid you not, I could see INSIDE the building from the outside at the fair last year. Forget the doors actually sealing too. Although it is a shame that the Centennial is getting tossed after work was done to actually fix it up. Functionally, it's terrible, but it's just a shame to see the dollars tossed. On the up side, at least it didn't spend the last 15 years rotting even more than it was. These buildings were crap when I was a kid in the 80's....waaaay overdue.
Anyone know where the steam locomotive is going to be moved to?.
It's being moved to the Oklahoma Railway Museum:
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Plutonic Panda 12-23-2014, 08:50 PM Crane Will Lift Locomotive Ahead Of Move To OK Museum - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports | (http://www.news9.com/story/27691502/crane-will-lift-locomotive-ahead-of-move-to-ok-museum)
rezman 12-23-2014, 11:05 PM Glad to see these buildings go. Although it is a shame that the Centennial is getting tossed after work was done to actually fix it up. Functionally, it's terrible, but it's just a shame to see the dollars tossed. On the up side, at least it didn't spend the last 15 years rotting even more than it was.
Is the Centennial building going to get razed?. I have't heard or read anything on that... Yet.
I hope it doesn't.
The Centennial Building is not being demolished.
rezman 12-24-2014, 11:39 AM The Centennial Building is not being demolished.
Thanks Pete. That's good to hear. It really is a functional building with a clear span and straight access through the overhead doors from one end to the other. Perfect for smaller shows and events.
All through the state, "Historic Route 66" signs." Indian Nation Turnpike". "Chisolm Trail". "Stockyard City". The State Fair is (was) as iconic as these Oklahoma trademarks. Hell, even the racetrack was part of our midwest/wild west culture. It seems like there should be a few things kept sacred, as we move into "How-Hip-It-Is-To-Live-Downtown-and-Drink-Chai Tea-From-Whole Foods". I'm not a $hit kicking redneck (but I did move here to build a log cabin, heat with wood, and bathe in a horse trough, 36 years ago). I enjoy a wide selection of pho, taquerias, and single malt scotches, as well as a diversity of friends from different races and bents of all kinds, all as a result of living in a large metro. I GET "progressive" thought. I "promote" progressive thought. But we've destroyed some great tradition, at the Oklahoma State Fairgrounds. I don't see it coming back, and that's my bitch.
New Expo building starting to come out of the ground:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGhBqVEUYAAYt5F.jpg
jn1780 06-02-2015, 02:50 PM Doesn't seem like they got a lot done in 8 months.
bombermwc 06-05-2015, 08:31 AM Well they had to demo several structures first, and then all that rain im sure delayed things quite a bit.
Bill Robertson 06-05-2015, 08:59 AM And the underground utilities, digging footings, building reinforcements, etc. is really time consuming. Once the above ground work starts things usually pick up pace.
macfoucin 10-05-2015, 12:13 PM I seen the new Expo building for the first time when I went to the fair a couple of weeks ago. Looked like they have most of the steel frame up...that building is HUGE! I know Atlas is the GC, but does anyone know who the building manufacturer is?
Laramie 10-22-2015, 09:21 AM And the underground utilities, digging footings, building reinforcements, etc. is really time consuming. Once the above ground work starts things usually pick up pace.
Atlas General Contactors are on the above ground stage with the Oklahoma City Exposition Center at Fair Park.
http://www.abetterlifeokc.com/clientuploads/blog/ExpoViewFromEast_071715.jpg
The $38.6 million Expo Center is expected to be completed by June 2, 2016.
Quick facts:
Project budget: $59 million
Construction: Projected completion in 2016.
Expo Center size: 277,000 square feet
Expo Center location: Former site of Travel & Transportation Building, State Fair Park.
https://www.okc.gov/maps3/projects/fairgrounds.html
ljbab728 10-22-2015, 10:09 PM As you can see in this picture, the new building dwarfs the others. It is larger than every other building shown combined.
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ljbab728 12-17-2015, 11:31 PM The expo center opening has been delayed. No extra expenses are involved, however.
http://www.oklahoman.com/article/5467501?embargo_redirect=yes
A defective paint job on structural steel will delay completion of the massive MAPS 3 expo center, keeping it from opening as planned before the 2016 Oklahoma State Fair.
Nelon said the steel supplier was “doing the remediation on its own dime” and there would be no impact on the MAPS 3 budget.
Scott Munz, the state fair's spokesman, said officials decided against having any exhibits in the building for the 2016 fair because of uncertainty over the construction schedule.
Snowman 12-18-2015, 07:25 PM The expo center opening has been delayed. No extra expenses are involved, however.
http://www.oklahoman.com/article/5467501?embargo_redirect=yes
Well not on fixing the issue, but delays can cause extra expenses in other places and could lower revenue from any events that could have utilized the space.
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TheTravellers 12-22-2015, 12:34 PM The expo center opening has been delayed. No extra expenses are involved, however.
http://www.oklahoman.com/article/5467501?embargo_redirect=yes
Once again, OKC/OK has problems with a large construction project that should never have happened. Why does this keep happening to all kinds of large projects here? Why can't the city/state/gov't figure out how the private companies do this kind of thing without problems? Yes, I know the problem was with the supplier, but the city should've sent somebody to inspect the paint jobs, or otherwise vetted the company to make sure they knew how to do it properly....
macfoucin 12-23-2015, 07:05 AM Not sure if it says in the article (I don't have a subscription, never will) but the building manufacturer is USA (United Structures of America) Inc. USA - Pre-Engineered Metal Buildings (http://www.usabldg.com/)
bombermwc 12-23-2015, 07:51 AM The thing that bothers me is that they saw the problem and went ahead and put the structure up anyway. I wonder if that decision was made before or after the thing got damaged in the march storms. If it was before, then there's even less of an excuse, but if it was after, I can see how the city would pressure them to get back on schedule. But we don't want to end up with yet another building that the fairgrounds that turns out to be a pile. The whole point of the thing was to replace all those crappy buildings (like they did with all the barns).
Now, if they would just put some effort into the pothole ridden streets there. OMG!!!! I took my kids to the train show a few weeks back. The lot next to the Cox Pavilion was insane. You needed a 4x4 just to get through the lot. Then trying to get over to one of the other lots (or even grass) was just as bad. Not to mention the complete lack of lines painted on the roads too. Some people get REALLY confused in the circle around the space needle.
Sept. 3rd is the new completion date.
Signage being put out to bid and rather than "Expo", the building's official name will be Fairgrounds Event Center.
200,000 SF of space in just the main hall, 280,00 SF overall. Also, they added over 2,000 paved parking spaces.
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shawnw 02-03-2016, 10:36 AM Should have just called it Fairgrounds Convention Center :-P
And built a hotel next to it.
Bullbear 02-03-2016, 10:51 AM The way the parking has been configured it should change the layout of the actual fair a bit.. looking good.
I was at an event at the fairgrounds last week and this building is *huge*.
Looks much bigger in person than the photos.
Zuplar 03-10-2016, 10:13 AM I was at an event at the fairgrounds last week and this building is *huge*.
Looks much bigger in person than the photos.
And as big as it is it's still half the size as the building at the Tulsa fairgrounds.
Bill Robertson 03-10-2016, 12:24 PM While setting up for the Auto Show we went over and looked at the new building. We were told that it's going slower than we knew. They said the Auto Show next March might be the first event in the new building. I don't look forward to being the "guinea pig" if that happens.
We're already going to be pretty much that in Tulsa next month because they redid the electrical system in the building there.
Eddie1 03-10-2016, 06:34 PM How will this building differ in regards to types of shows and events vs. the downtown convention center. And will they be similar sizes?
Laramie 03-11-2016, 10:42 AM How will this building differ in regards to types of shows and events vs. the downtown convention center. And will they be similar sizes?
Fairgrounds is equipped with surface parking (trailers etc.,) for those shows mostly related to the horse industry, more of a fairgrounds exhibition hall.
As for the sizes; The Fairgrounds Expo Center will have a main hall 210,000 square feet of exhibition space with can be size adjusted to fit a particular event experience.
The downtown convention center (size spec., TBD) will provide an upgrade to our current Cox Convention Center which has a main 100,000 sq. ft exhibition hall and several smaller meeting areas that will range in size. So you could see something in the 150,000 plus main hall range along with various smaller exhibition halls within the complex.
Please feel free to add or correct what has been mentioned above.
TheTravellers 03-25-2016, 11:03 AM Who's lying?
Oklahoma City official faults State Fair Park expo center contractor | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-official-faults-state-fair-park-expo-center-contractor/article/5487099)
Oklahoma contractor responds to expo center issues | News OK (http://newsok.com/article/5487317)
bombermwc 03-25-2016, 11:25 AM Id like to see the parking lot between the new expo center and the cox pavaillion be repaved. its got hole large enough to be states!
And as big as the cox pavillion is, it's crazy how much the expo center dwarfs it!!!!!
Id like to see the parking lot between the new expo center and the cox pavaillion be repaved. its got hole large enough to be states!
There was a big paving contract just awarded for this area -- I believe it is the one you mentioned.
Bill Robertson 03-25-2016, 02:41 PM And as big as the cox pavillion is, it's crazy how much the expo center dwarfs it!!!!!I always thought the Cox pavilion was big. Then we started going to Tulsa to do the Auto Show there. In OKC the show has always been spread between the Cox, Centennial, Travel & Transportation and Made In Oklahoma buildings. In the Tulsa Expo Center everything is in one building and they have more car lines in the show than we do. With the new building we hear that at least all the new cars will be in the new building. The old cars and the other things might still be in the Cox.
Zuplar 03-25-2016, 02:51 PM I always thought the Cox pavilion was big. Then we started going to Tulsa to do the Auto Show there. In OKC the show has always been spread between the Cox, Centennial, Travel & Transportation and Made In Oklahoma buildings. In the Tulsa Expo Center everything is in one building and they have more car lines in the show than we do. With the new building we hear that at least all the new cars will be in the new building. The old cars and the other things might still be in the Cox.
Yeah I mentioned earlier that the Tulsa building is huge. Not sure how many people realize just how big it is.
Bill Robertson 03-25-2016, 03:02 PM Yeah I mentioned earlier that the Tulsa building is huge. Not sure how many people realize just how big it is.Not many do. I had been to the Chili Bowl a few times and it's so crammed you don't realize how big it is. When I first walked into it empty I was floored.
jstaylor62 03-27-2016, 10:53 AM The State Fair Park is very poorly managed. They are not doing anything to plan or attract new events. They just keep hosting the State Fair, horse, car and gun shows. Imagine if they did something creative and leveraged their location to host a national food truck event. Nah ... that would require to much work ...
bombermwc 03-28-2016, 08:07 AM Actually it would require a HUGE amount of work. Look what goes into the relatively small food truck events we have today. The health department and the city both make it pretty difficult to do things like that. The next thing you have to do is figure out where to put it on the fairgrounds while not taking up all the parking. Then what are you going to do while you're there? Need some entertainment? Oh wait...that's the fair. LOL
But at least you gave an idea. So many people complain and never give an idea so while i dont think this one would work out, at least you're trying to be part of the solution you're seeking.
For me, i'd like to see the type of shows expanded. There used to be video game shows (i remember going to a Nintendo Power show when i was a kid....i think in Travel and Transporation). The train show is a major hit with my kids (and a million others). I think we used to do some indoor winter fairs didn't we? How about a GOOD ComicCon type thing? Tulsa Expo i think has them every few years...or at lest used to. I definitely agree the the the same ole fishing, home & garden, horse, RV, Car, Craft, shows that flow through almost feel like a repeating pattern without change.
jstaylor62 03-28-2016, 06:53 PM Yeah ... inviting a few bands and food trucks is pretty hard. The State Fair board would rather make their outrageous fees for food booths during the State Fair than create a new competitive food event for the city. Heck, the town of Pawhuska has developed the idea of the Indian Taco Championship. Just imagine if the State Fair board could develop something similar ... nah, somebody else would have to plan the entire event and turn it over to them to screw up somehow ..
Plutonic Panda 03-29-2016, 03:49 PM I agree. It does seem the fair and/or whoever manages it is really dropping the ball and taking the easy way out.
Monorail needs repairs. Shut down and tear it out. Oh, but we'll leave a part of it left for a Memorial.
Space Needle needs repairs. Too costly. Just let it be until it needs to come down.
No new ideas for anything really big other than this new MAPS Expo Center.
Would be nice to see new venues and something cool like a racetrack. They even tore that out. Hopefully when this new expo center gets completed we see better autoshows. I'd like to see foreign exotic car brands come to OKC.
Zuplar 03-29-2016, 04:12 PM I agree. It does seem the fair and/or whoever manages it is really dropping the ball and taking the easy way out.
Monorail needs repairs. Shut down and tear it out. Oh, but we'll leave a part of it left for a Memorial.
Space Needle needs repairs. Too costly. Just let it be until it needs to come down.
No new ideas for anything really big other than this new MAPS Expo Center.
Would be nice to see new venues and something cool like a racetrack. They even tore that out. Hopefully when this new expo center gets completed we see better autoshows. I'd like to see foreign exotic car brands come to OKC.
Yeah I was really disappointed when they tore down the race track.
HOT ROD 03-29-2016, 04:16 PM guess they'll be in line for Maps 4. ...
Having stuff that makes a lot of money is important. But having cool stuff for the general public is important too.
Laramie 03-29-2016, 05:48 PM The OKC Oklahoma State Fairgrounds is becoming an expo center for horse show events and exhibition shows (auto, fishing, boats, Jacuzzi hot tubs, bimonthly guns shows) for outdoor events'
Maybe we should build a new rodeo Fair Park Arena (15,000 minimum seating) to handle the year round shows, maybe bring back AA ice hockey, All State basketball championships ((All classes, 6A, 5A, 4A etc., & events). Our Fairgrounds attract many events that contribute to the local economy.
As someone mentioned; Fair Park could become our trade show convention & exposition center.
Bill Robertson 03-29-2016, 07:06 PM Hopefully when this new expo center gets completed we see better autoshows. I'd like to see foreign exotic car brands come to OKC.Unlikely. You have to understand what the Auto Show is. It's put on by a promoter on behalf of the local dealers. The dealers provide the cars. Its all about the dealers selling their cars. If there's no Lambo or whatever dealer in OKC there's not going to be cars of that make.
Plutonic Panda 03-29-2016, 09:08 PM Unlikely. You have to understand what the Auto Show is. It's put on by a promoter on behalf of the local dealers. The dealers provide the cars. Its all about the dealers selling their cars. If there's no Lambo or whatever dealer in OKC there's not going to be cars of that make.You're right. I have heard a Bentley dealership is coming to OKC sometime soon, but not sure about others.
bombermwc 04-01-2016, 08:03 AM I got my first look at a Maybach at the OKC Car show. i dont remember who brought it in, but it was freaking cool. Got to see a new redesign of the Ford GT that year too....which was also freaking sweet. So we do get some neat stuff beyond the regular vehicles, but if you aren't sure about the car you're going to get next, it's a great NO PRESSURE way to look them all over without the butt fleas.
Plutonic Panda 04-02-2016, 03:44 PM Yeah the new Maybach is okay. I love the new GT.
Urbanized 04-03-2016, 05:13 PM ^^^^^^^^^
It was Mercedes-Benz of OKC who brought Maybach to the show. Maybach's intellectual property was purchased by Diamler in the sixties, and they revived the brand in 2002. M-B OKC has been the dealer point in OKC since that time. The marque took a siesta about the time of the 2008 financial meltdown, has since been revived again, and now exists essentially as a co-branded Mercedes-Maybach luxury model.
jn1780 04-03-2016, 05:32 PM Is the expo center going to actually be open for the state fair? I heard at one point they weren't booking vendors for it. I expect even if they do finish it on time, it will be just car displays with half the building empty.
Bill Robertson 04-04-2016, 12:59 PM Is the expo center going to actually be open for the state fair? I heard at one point they weren't booking vendors for it. I expect even if they do finish it on time, it will be just car displays with half the building empty.We were told at the Auto Show that we might be the first thing in it next March. They hope that it might be the February Affair Of The Heart. They don't think there's a chance of anything before that.
Plutonic Panda 04-04-2016, 03:10 PM I'll have to do some research on how well the S600 has been doing. The Maybach brand is nice and I really liked the Maybach Landaulet when it was out, but it seems they have had a tough time. I was at the dealership the other day talking with someone and they told me they haven't been selling well, though that could just be that dealership.
Zorba 04-05-2016, 05:27 PM Unlikely. You have to understand what the Auto Show is. It's put on by a promoter on behalf of the local dealers. The dealers provide the cars. Its all about the dealers selling their cars. If there's no Lambo or whatever dealer in OKC there's not going to be cars of that make.
I know that is true for smaller car shows, but the ones I've been to in Cincinnati and Dallas seem like the cars were provided by corporate. Of course, if you have no dealership for a car in town, why would they bring the car either way.
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