Hey aggie, 51-48, OUCH! You're dismissed. Take the next order at the drive thru.

Keep that gooner stereotype going strong!

Gundy to Tennessee rumors are heating up with plenty of talk about VERY BIG problems between T. Boone, Mike, and Mike.

Bandwagon poke fans will soon be jumping the sinking ship, again.
It just goes to show that you can spend tons of money to dress up a pig but in the end, it’s still a pig.

Poor Orange Bowl. That will be some god awful ratings for that stinker

Kinda cool for fans of N Illinois to get to experience a BCS bowl

All 3,000 of them. I love seeing college football implode when they started chasing money over tradition.

Gundy to Tennessee rumors are heating up with plenty of talk about VERY BIG problems between T. Boone, Mike, and Mike.

Bandwagon poke fans will soon be jumping the sinking ship, again.
It just goes to show that you can spend tons of money to dress up a pig but in the end, it’s still a pig.

Too add to this post
KOCH Fox 25 and Jim Traber reports there is tension between Mike and the higher up’s at OSU
The station also reports that Tennessee has visited with Gundy

Gundy to Tennessee rumors are heating up with plenty of talk about VERY BIG problems between T. Boone, Mike, and Mike.

Bandwagon poke fans will soon be jumping the sinking ship, again.
It just goes to show that you can spend tons of money to dress up a pig but in the end, it’s still a pig.

Wow, Les leaves then maybe Gundy leaves? That would suck but I would not complain though but I would feel sorry for the fans going through a new head coach all over again after just a few years at least Stoops stayed for 13 years and counting....

Wow, Les leaves then maybe Gundy leaves? That would suck but I would not complain though but I would feel sorry for the fans going through a new head coach all over again after just a few years at least Stoops stayed for 13 years and counting....

From what I've read, there is ongoing (and apparently substantial) bad blood between Gundy and Holder over two main issues:

1. Gundy wants to have more control over scheduling, including reducing the number of high-profile home games. Bottom line, Gundy wants to schedule more like Bill Snyder does. Holder wants to schedule more like Castiglione does, bringing in at least one marquee name to Stillwater each year.

2. Holder negotiated a quick deal for the Pokes' basketball coach last year, who has yet to truly put that program back on the map a la the Sutton era. Gundy thought that he had done as least as much for football as Ford had done for basketball, and deserved at least as quick and as lucrative a deal. Holder wouldn't do it.

Gundy put himself behind a bit of an eightball when he was hired by proclaiming to the world that OSU was his "New York Yankees" job, meaning that Holder could take any notions of leaving with a grain of salt. Right or wrong, Holder's in a position of strength right now, because the value OSU's HC position has been elevated considerably in the last five years, so while the loss of Gundy would hurt, OSU would have at least the chance to talk to some good candidates should he really leave. OTOH, OSU is still not a destination job, and Gundy's departure would imply the loss of continuity in a pretty good system they've started up there. ULtimately, its a matchup of egos, and I think anyone who simply believes OSU would go on without a hiccup should Gundy actually leave are being naive.

My own uninformed opinion? I think Gundy is listening, and if someone really believed in him, and were willing to take a chance on a (relatively) young coach with a pretty decent track record in building a program that has, for a long time, lived in the shadow of its big brother, they'd give him a package he might not be able to turn down. And Tennessee is precisely the kind of program that could do it, too, with its large fanbase, its SEC roots, and its longing to return to relevance after a long, long time on the sidelines.

Nothing may happen, but I think the situation bears very, very close observation. If anyone dismisses out-of-hand the idea that Gundy might leave, is being really naive. Not saying he's going, but the probability isn't zero, either.

Poor Orange Bowl. That will be some god awful ratings for that stinker

Kinda cool for fans of N Illinois to get to experience a BCS bowl

Tickets are apparently already on StubHub for $30. Because of the ticket purchase requirements for BCS participants, NIU will have to buy more tickets for this game than they average for their home games. Heard one offhand comment suggest the actual $$ amount could be roughly equivalent to an entire season's athletic revenue...but don't know if that was sarcasm or legit.

This whole situation is just asinine.

Anyone who would claim to be co-champs with a team w/an equal conference record, who had BEAT them is a person I wouldn't call credible or objective. Keep dreaming sooner8693.

I would call that someone who is playing by the rules set up BEFORE THE SEASON, and is playing by the rules just as they have been for over 50 years when there was no conference championship game. Every school claims co-championships like this. Every team.

If you don't like the rules then change them. K-State shouldn't lose a to a crappy Baylor team that OU handled if they wanted an outright title.

Tennessee Volunteers Football: Volquest.com (http://tennessee.rivals.com/)

by John, Brent, Paul, Austin
Tennessee's search for a new head football coach continues.
On Sunday, athletics director Dave Hart was in Stillwater, Okla. for a face to face interview.

Looking at how steamed Gundy was in his public statement about getting the crap bowl of the Big 12 tie ins, there is definitely something going on there. It does suck being #4 in the conference and getting the #8 bowl slot. Seems a little questionable to shove both Oklahoma teams into Dallas bowls.

Tickets are apparently already on StubHub for $30. Because of the ticket purchase requirements for BCS participants, NIU will have to buy more tickets for this game than they average for their home games. Heard one offhand comment suggest the actual $$ amount could be roughly equivalent to an entire season's athletic revenue...but don't know if that was sarcasm or legit.

This whole situation is just asinine.

If that is true, NIU could be the only team in BCS history to actually lose money by going to a BCS game. That is like winning a Lamborghini and then having to sell the double-wide to pay the taxes on it. Sometimes you are better off not winning.

Looking at how steamed Gundy was in his public statement about getting the crap bowl of the Big 12 tie ins, there is definitely something going on there. It does suck being #4 in the conference and getting the #8 bowl slot. Seems a little questionable to shove both Oklahoma teams into Dallas bowls.

WOW -- When did he say that??

That's not quite a bridge-burning thing to say, but man, its lighting a match and dropping it on kindling.

Alex Marvez‏@alexmarvez#NFL source tells me Univ. of Arkansas met Sunday with Oklahoma State HC Mike Gundy about Razorbacks vacancy

WOW -- When did he say that??

That's not quite a bridge-burning thing to say, but man, its lighting a match and dropping it on kindling.

Well...crap bowl wasn't his words exactly, but when you read his statement it is pretty clear...


"I'm surprised," continued Gundy in discussing how the Cowboys fell down the Big 12 bowl ladder. "Wherever the conference sends us is where we go, and they sent us to this one. I can only say that I'm surprised that we are in this bowl because I heard some feedback from you guys that Alamo and then after that one is Buffalo Wild Wings and then San Diego.

"We finished tied for third in the league, correct? I don't have a clue to know why we fell. I wouldn't know where to start (in trying to figure it out)"

Source: http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/1245935.html

If that is true, NIU could be the only team in BCS history to actually lose money by going to a BCS game. That is like winning a Lamborghini and then having to sell the double-wide to pay the taxes on it. Sometimes you are better off not winning.

Actually, it's not that uncommon for a school to lose money going to a BCS game.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/09/26/20110926bcs-bowl-games-teams-lose-money.html

All 3,000 of them. I love seeing college football implode when they started chasing money over tradition.I do too. A large part of the argument against a playoff has been "the tradition of the bowls". Where's all that tradition now?

If that is true, NIU could be the only team in BCS history to actually lose money by going to a BCS game. That is like winning a Lamborghini and then having to sell the double-wide to pay the taxes on it. Sometimes you are better off not winning.

IIRC, Cincinnati lost a chunk of change in the Fiesta Bowl trip two years ago when they were pasted by OU.

It's a horrendous paradox for a school in that situation, eg small school, low football attendance, non-power conference, because there's no buying the kind of exposure a BCS game gives you, but there's no replacing the tangible $$ lost in the required ticket sales. It's one thing to trumpet the payout each team receives for the BCS bid, but once the net gets computed from the conference splits, travel expenses, etc., that "big" number drops rather rapidly. Cincy is but one example.

Well...crap bowl wasn't his words exactly, but when you read his statement it is pretty clear...



Source: Scout.com: Gundy Talks Bowl, But Won't Comment On Jobs (http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/1245935.html)

This is getting very interesting. There's apparently little doubt that Gundy did, in fact, meet at his home with Tenn's AD for several hours over the weekend. Another story (legend?) has emerged that, supposedly (and this is ENTIRELY umpteenth hand and NOT being asserted as fact) that Pickens was furious that OSU blew their double-digit leads against OU, and he personally called Gundy to "discuss" it.

If that's true, regardless of my "loyalties," I don't think I'd necessarily want to work for the college equivalent of Jerry Jones, either, especially if someone else thought I was worth considering. If Gundy really left, put in his offense at Tennessee, and made them even just competitive again in the SEC, he'd be royalty in that state. That would be in stark contrast to winning your first conference title, blowing out your rival at home, then getting slow-played to get a new contract...

Gundy would have to assess the recruiting issues in Tennessee, noting that the HS system there isn't nearly as strong as it is in other states, and then foster some relationships throughout the rest of the SE to start attracting players. Not a small task. But then again, he's recruited a very nice stable of players to Stillwater, OK, so that may not prove to be so big a trick after all....

We'll see. Like I said, this is going to be verry, verry interesting. I think it has crept beyond hurt feelings.

Actually, it's not that uncommon for a school to lose money going to a BCS game.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/09/26/20110926bcs-bowl-games-teams-lose-money.html

Who would have thought. So the big winner this year in the Big XII is Kansas. Money from 9 bowls and no expenses.

For you OU fans....

If OU and OSU "shared" a Big 12 title and OU won head-to-head, ALL OF YOU would give OSU absolute HELL for claiming a shared title. That is not debateable. It's pathetic that when it benefits you, shared titles are great.

For you OU fans....

If OU and OSU "shared" a Big 12 title and OU won head-to-head, ALL OF YOU would give OSU absolute HELL for claiming a shared title. That is not debateable. It's pathetic that when it benefits you, shared titles are great.

You're presuming many or most OU fans would care. Why would you care if we did?

Just wondering.

You're presuming many or most OU fans would care. Why would you care if we did?

Just wondering.

It's straight envy, nothing less.

Maybe the 'little man syndrome' kicking in.