Current score 17-10 Oklahoma State. I cant stand how OU is not consistent with their hurry up offense!

Sooners better fix their rushing defense next year!

Holy Toledo, what a finish! Best. Bedlam. EVER!

It sure is! Hard to believe that was the first overtime in Bedlam history! Glad the Sooners won, what a relief!

It would been the 8th, but overtime has only been played in college football since 1994.

It would been the 8th, but overtime has only been played in college football since 1994.

That makes sense!

For a second I thought Mike Gundy was actually gonna get a win in Norman, Oklahoma. PrOUd or OUr Sooners!!

I am going to enjoy this win for a year because I think Oklahoma State is going to kill the Sooners in Stillwater next year

There was way too much orange in the stands. Shame on the Sooner fans that sold their tickets to aggies!

There was way too much orange in the stands. Shame on the Sooner fans that sold their tickets to aggies!

Also quite a few empty seats in the upper deck East stands. All those newcomers need to start giving their tickets away if they're not going to attend.

I am going to enjoy this win for a year because I think Oklahoma State is going to kill the Sooners in Stillwater next year

The QB core for OSU is really great. However, I'm excited to see Blake Bell have full control. It'll change how teams have to deal with OU. An actual dual threat QB for a change.

A lot of it is going to come down to the changes on Defense though and getting players in there Mike Stoops can mold from the beginning. It is way too early to start the doomsday chant. :-P

Wow, I felt dumb for even make any prediction on this game..glad I called it though! I agree with MonkeesFan though, at least with the Way-To-Soon game picks..

I am going to enjoy this win for a year because I think Oklahoma State is going to kill the Sooners in Stillwater next year

Been hearing that kind of stuff since I started following OU football in 1961. The aggots have rarely beaten OU in my lifetime. Let's let them play before we proclaim the aggots National Champions. By the way, what's the market going to be doing next year on that date?

Been hearing that kind of stuff since I started following OU football in 1961. The aggots have rarely beaten OU in my lifetime. Let's let them play before we proclaim the aggots National Champions. By the way, what's the market going to be doing next year on that date?

The market is closed, due to it being saturday.

Also quite a few empty seats in the upper deck East stands. All those newcomers need to start giving their tickets away if they're not going to attend.

I could not believe how easy it was to obtain a tic for my buddys' first college football game. I also had assured him an intense atmosphere. Game surpassed billing, atmosphere not even close...

The QB core for OSU is really great. However, I'm excited to see Blake Bell have full control. It'll change how teams have to deal with OU. An actual dual threat QB for a change.

Did you see the one pass Bell made? Wasn't even near the reciever. Not to mention the two fumbles. OU fans will probably be begging for Landry come September of next year.




I could not believe how easy it was to obtain a tic for my buddys' first college football game. I also had assured him an intense atmosphere. Game surpassed billing, atmosphere not even close...

Because for first time in a while there was nothing riding on this game. Sure it's a big game but no title implications really .

Did you see the one pass Bell made? Wasn't even near the reciever.

He actually threw 2, the first was a 12 yard completion and the second attempt was covered, so he overthrew it on purpose.

He actually threw 2, the first was a 12 yard completion and the second attempt was covered, so he overthrew it on purpose.

Because he told you that's why? Well either way, Landry would have thrown it in a way to at least give his reciever a chance, seeing how he had inside position on a post route.

Also quite a few empty seats in the upper deck East stands. All those newcomers need to start giving their tickets away if they're not going to attend.

I could not believe how easy it was to obtain a tic for my buddys' first college football game. I also had assured him an intense atmosphere. Game surpassed billing, atmosphere not even close...

Unfortunately the atmosphere at most OU home games is laid back....Especially on the west side

Because he told you that's why? Well either way, Landry would have thrown it in a way to at least give his reciever a chance, seeing how he had inside position on a post route.

Yes, Landry would have back peddled, lobbed it up for grabs and the linebacker would have picked it off and returned it 36 yards to the nine.......

Sure he told me......lol

He actually threw 2, the first was a 12 yard completion and the second attempt was covered, so he overthrew it on purpose.

That's the way I saw it too.

Well good luck to a team that has a QB that throws it away everytime a WR is partially covered instead of giving him an opportunity to make a play, say, like the one Stills made to end the first half.

Well good luck to a team that has a QB that throws it away everytime a WR is partially covered instead of giving him an opportunity to make a play, say, like the one Stills made to end the first half.

Landry was lucky, the fact that the ball went through Gilbert's hands and into Stills was a 14 point swing. The game could have been lost for OU on that one play.

Also quite a few empty seats in the upper deck East stands. All those newcomers need to start giving their tickets away if they're not going to attend.

I could not believe how easy it was to obtain a tic for my buddys' first college football game. I also had assured him an intense atmosphere. Game surpassed billing, atmosphere not even close...

You are either, deaf, dumb, and blind, or a Sooner hater. The atmosphere was incredible. I doubt you are deaf, dumb, and blind. Sooner hater most likely, which probably means a severe case of ***** envy on your part.

The point is I don't think the FumBell is going to be as good a qb solution as OSU's Chelf/Walsh combo, with Lunt taking over after Chelf graduates. OSU should be the preseason favorites to win the conference, depending on who all leaves Manhattan.

The point is I don't think the FumBell is going to be as good a qb solution as OSU's Chelf/Walsh combo, with Lunt taking over after Chelf graduates. OSU should be the preseason favorites to win the conference, depending on who all leaves Manhattan.

This is what happens when you eat too much turkey.

What, because we have "tradition??"

The point is I don't think the FumBell is going to be as good a qb solution as OSU's Chelf/Walsh combo, with Lunt taking over after Chelf graduates. OSU should be the preseason favorites to win the conference, depending on who all leaves Manhattan.

I think Bell will do perfectly fine. It is going to come down to fixing up the O Line and Defense. O Line must block better and the D needs to learn how to stop the run and tackle in open space.

There was obviously more Notre Dame fans there at our stadium than Cowboy fans so dont even get started on why so many Cowboy fans were there, they barely filled up our visitors section.

As a Cowboy fan, and as much as I do not want to, I will take my hat off to the Sooners for executing on that last drive to tie it up.

But it was unbelievable. With 7 minutes to go. OU does not convert on 4th down. Giving the ball to the OSU's offence. All they needed was a couple of first down to run alot of clock and essentially putting the game out of reach. I blame Gundy with his play calling on that drive.

Well good luck to a team that has a QB that throws it away everytime a WR is partially covered instead of giving him an opportunity to make a play, say, like the one Stills made to end the first half.

It was a smart play by Bell.

Been hearing that kind of stuff since I started following OU football in 1961. The aggots have rarely beaten OU in my lifetime. Let's let them play before we proclaim the aggots National Champions. By the way, what's the market going to be doing next year on that date?

Just remember this .. despite all the hype .. in the last decade osu has won against OU ONE TIME ...

Did you see the one pass Bell made? Wasn't even near the reciever. Not to mention the two fumbles. OU fans will probably be begging for Landry come September of next year.



Because for first time in a while there was nothing riding on this game. Sure it's a big game but no title implications really .


bell didn't fumble two times .. what game were you watching .. and this game was huge because if OU wins out it wins a Big 12 championship ..

The point is I don't think the FumBell is going to be as good a qb solution as OSU's Chelf/Walsh combo, with Lunt taking over after Chelf graduates. OSU should be the preseason favorites to win the conference, depending on who all leaves Manhattan.

wow .. you don't know much about football do you

bell didn't fumble two times .. what game were you watching .. and this game was huge because if OU wins out it wins a Big 12 championship ..

He fumbled twice, lost one and one was recoevered by OU. What game were you watching?

Also, game didnt seem that huge leading up to game as tickets werent going for more than face value really. I did find out it was huge after the game when the team made a victory lap around the stadium and went nuts like they clinched a title or something. Sure OU can claim a tie for the Big 12 title if they win next week, just like OSU can claim one in 2010, I suppose.

Also, Berry Tramel has mentioned OSU as a favorite for the Big12 next year. So its not just Spartan talking non-sense.

Sure OU can claim a tie for the Big 12 title if they win next week, just like OSU can claim one in 2010, I suppose.

That was a 3-team division tie, not one for the conference championship.

He fumbled twice, lost one and one was recoevered by OU. What game were you watching?

Also, game didnt seem that huge leading up to game as tickets werent going for more than face value really. I did find out it was huge after the game when the team made a victory lap around the stadium and went nuts like they clinched a title or something. Sure OU can claim a tie for the Big 12 title if they win next week, just like OSU can claim one in 2010, I suppose.

you mean when trey millard lost the fumble ... the only lost fumble of the game??

Sure OU can claim a tie for the Big 12 title if they win next week, just like OSU can claim one in 2010, I suppose.

Uh, no. OU will be co-champion by the RULES of the league if they win. If OSU claimed one in 2010 then they were claiming a championship even though they didn't meet the qualifications (i.e., winning the conference championship game) set PRIOR TO THE SEASON. OSU was only a DIVISION, not conference, co-champion in 2010. Big 8 teams tied for the conference champioship for 50 years and both, or all 3, teams claimed titles.

It's amazing to me how many people cannot process how the championship criteria have changed since their is no conference championship. This isn't that hard.

Uh, no. OU will be co-champion by the RULES of the league if they win. If OSU claimed one in 2010 then they were claiming a championship even though they didn't meet the qualifications (i.e., winning the conference championship game) set PRIOR TO THE SEASON. OSU was only a DIVISION, not conference, co-champion in 2010. Big 8 teams tied for the conference champioship for 50 years and both, or all 3, teams claimed titles.

It's amazing to me how many people cannot process how the championship criteria have changed since their is no conference championship. This isn't that hard.

Don't forget Texas' MB12C with the * by the year...I think that was 2008 or 2009 lol.

This is the first bedlam game I can remember where the best team didn't win and the loser wasn't the gooners. The pokes stock is definitely rising.

This is the first bedlam game I can remember where the best team didn't win and the loser wasn't the gooners. The pokes stock is definitely rising.

How do you figure?

I think he's saying that OU got lucky on defense and OSU got tired on defense.

I think he's saying that OU got lucky on defense and OSU got tired on defense.

Actually I was just repeating what a friend of mine said. It cracks me up when he calls ou the gooners or the land thieves. He hates gooners. So much so that after the game he threw his new Nokia phone into the wall. I must say though in the end his phone held up better than his pokes.

That's taking it pretty far. I used to get all wrapped up in it, but come on now, there's no reason to through temper tantrums, especially if 30+ years old (I only say that because I know I've gotten defensive around that age when all my Sooner friends were giving me crap). But I jest now, and I do it with more composure. Tell your buddy to call them dirt burglars. That's my favorite ;-)

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This is the first bedlam game I can remember where the best team didn't win and the loser wasn't the gooners. The pokes stock is definitely rising.

It's not like there was some freak play or reffing mistake or something. OU deserved to win because they executed on their last drive and in OT. OSU had plenty of opportunities to get a stop and couldn't do it. Good game. OSU has definitely improved dramatically as a program, but the best team is the one that scores more points on that day.

It's not like there was some freak play or reffing mistake or something. OU deserved to win because they executed on their last drive and in OT. OSU had plenty of opportunities to get a stop and couldn't do it. Good game. OSU has definitely improved dramatically as a program, but the best team is the one that scores more points on that day.

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Actually I was just repeating what a friend of mine said. It cracks me up when he calls ou the gooners or the land thieves. He hates gooners. So much so that after the game he threw his new Nokia phone into the wall. I must say though in the end his phone held up better than his pokes.

I'd say he's got issues.

That's taking it pretty far. I used to get all wrapped up in it, but come on now, there's no reason to through temper tantrums, especially if 30+ years old (I only say that because I know I've gotten defensive around that age when all my Sooner friends were giving me crap). But I jest now, and I do it with more composure. Tell your buddy to call them dirt burglars. That's my favorite ;-)

Guess people don't realize that the first land grab was in Stillwater......

Very interesting discussion here...

Having been at the game, I'll toss in a few thoughts.

* OU needs D-Linemen. Desperately. This is easily the weakest defensive front in Stoops' tenure. I don't think most folks realize how much of the rest of the defense hinges on the play of the d-line. It isn't about dominating every play, it's about winning the few critical battles on the few plays that often decide close games between good teams. Right now, OU's defensive line cannot get off blocks, cannot create pressure, cannot penetrate.

* OSU has a really nice offensive system in place. They can churn guys through, and are very close to creating a system where a variety of different athletes can be successful at their QB position. That's how you build a program.

* I can't fathom why OSU didn't blitz more, especially late, unless Bill Young sensed that his defense was getting tired and thought the better strategy was to rush three and stay in coverage most of the time to limit the fatigue factor. That last OU drive - all but 4 seconds of the last, what, 6:18, had to be crushing.

* I think most of the stadium had the sense that OU was going to win that game once OSU had been held to an FG on their OT possession. I think OSU was playing mentally and emotionally "all in" on that last long drive, and when Bell scored, the whole feeling in the stadium changed. Millard nearly scored on the first play from scrimmage, and unless I'm mistaken, they ran Clay through the same hole on the next play where he scored. And the arm tackles on that play alone belie the fact that OSU was, defensively, spent.

* Yeah, Landry threw a horrible pick on that one drive. But if he's not the QB, OSU wins that game. Bell is a horse, but from what I've seen, he's got a cannon of an arm with very little touch right now. How they adjust the offense going into next season will be very, very interesting. OU has a bevy of receivers going into next year, so they can't afford to turn into a run-first team entirely. Fans dissing Jones will be missing his accuracy and, as evidenced the last two weeks, his calm late-game demeanor next season. Without it, OU loses the last two games IMHO. I mean, good grief, the guy drives the team the length of the field in back to back weeks to game-tying/winning TD's...not sure what more you can ask. And I still contend that Bell is not the "heir-apparent" to Jones if they continue to run this offense. Its one thing to come in 3rd and 1 and bulldoze to a first down; it's another to throw an opposite-hash strike to a breaking receiver. We don't know if Bell can do that with the kind of regularity this offense demands.

* Josh Heupel has to get out of his own way when calling the offense. He clearly outthought himself in bringing in the Belldozer twice at inappropriate times when the OU offense was in rhythm, and both times it failed - once on a no-gain pitch sweep, the other on a lost fumble. It's all about rhythm and tempo, and IMHO those were killers. The Dozer is a great tool, used properly (see game-tying touchdown), but abused (see first-and-ten at the OSU 15), it makes you look silly.

* OSU will return something like 17 starters next year from a team that legitimately should have beaten Texas and came within a hair's breadth of beating OU in Norman, so the idea that they could win the conference next year isn't stupid or dense at at all. West Virginia loses a ton this season, OU loses their 2.5-year starting QB, Texas is a mess, and with Tuberville all-but campaigning for the Arkansas job, I don't see Tech challenging next year. KSU will be good again even without Klein at QB just because they're so dad-gum sound fundamentally under Snyder. The point is there isn't a dominant team returning next season, so picking OSU with that much experience returning isn't insane.

Bad, good, or indifferent, the Sooners won; it was no defensive gem, but it was good enough! Now we just need to keep up the momentum and thump TCU to keep Stoops' even-numbered conference title streak alive. :)

wow .. you don't know much about football do you

Only played it up until my last year in high school and know enough to keep a discussion on football without resorting to ad hominem attacks. I think you were responding to a post about Bell, so do you care to offer any rationale for why Bell is going to be the Heisman winner next year? :/

(Yes, I quoted this guy's entire post)


This is the first bedlam game I can remember where the best team didn't win and the loser wasn't the gooners. The pokes stock is definitely rising.

What are you talking about? OU is clearly the better team this year, not only is the record better, but the only two losses are two #1 teams. OSU got shellacked at unranked Arizona. In all four of OSU's losses this year <shocker alert> the defense was doing its best West Virginia impersonation. This is a consistent problem with OSU's rise, is that the offense is consistently the best you'll ever find, but good lord that defense isn't worth crap.

I'm giving you guy's high expectations for next year. But this year, the better team did win, as it always does.

Good points, SoonerDave. I'll add on that its not just OU's d-line that is awful, but the entire front 7. The LBers are equally bad. They put so much pressure on the secondary because they get no pressure.

As far as Bell goes, did you follow him the spring or watch the Red-White game? Bell was a very good passer in HS and looked very good throwing the ball in the spring. They should change the O some, but it's not like he'll be a run-first QB. You never fully know until he actually takes over the O, but I'm not overly worried about Bell's ability to throw. He won't be Landry, but hopefully his ability to run some can offset that. I'd like to see an O like what K-State runs with Klein.

heya Kilgore...

This is clearly not a vintage LB group, although I think Simmons has helped a great deal to atone as it were for some of Wort's sins. I've lost track of how many times Wort has just flat been out of position. I remember against WVU there was one TD run where he literally jumped out of his assignment gap for no reason, and the PBP/color guy called him out during the replay. "Why is Tom Wort jumping out of his gap?"

I personally think Simmons is more the body type Stoops wants at LB rather than Venables. Venables snagged the Ryan Reynolds style, a bit smaller, perhaps laterally quicker, but not quite as physically imposing. Stoops likes the Torrance Marshall type, which is also the style most SEC defenses snag, bigger upper body, attacker, etc. Give Mike a couple more years and I think you'll see that change happen. No offense to Wort, he plays hard and with great heart, but in honesty I don't think he gets an offer to OU if M. Stoops is still the DC.

I just don't see OU shifting to a K-State style offense, not with the kind of depth at WR we're developing. Also, we don't have a "body" at TE to run what KSU does. I think something was afoot in the offense earlier this year when they (temporarily) moved Grissom to TE, but then moved him back. My trick knee tells me they wanted to try and add back to the playbook a few of those sets with a TE flexes out, ala Jermaine Gresham, because it just gives defenses headaches, but they couldn't find one with the reliable hands for it. Think they're hoping Tyler McNamara can do that in the next couple of years.

Have only seen Blake Bell in a few situations, and I did not attend the spring game. Just going by observations, and at the moment it just seems to me he's all arm. Hope he can refine that for the kinds of throws he'll need to make if he is, in fact, "the guy" going into next year.

The absolute crime for me as a Sooner fan this year is that even two above average DL types, along with a more consistent LB, could have made all the difference in the world in the two losses OU had this year, which is turning out to be the difference between looking at a conference share versus a national title shot. No team this year is dominant. Of course, similar things could be said of many teams (just need this player or that player). But I've felt for a long time that OU's defensive interior was deteriorating gradually over the last few seasons, going back two or three years. The number and quantity of the Dvoracek's, Harrises, Lofton's, Lehman's, and Calmuses used to be a nearly self-perpetuating chain...until you just stopped hearing about them. Then the OU defense became more or less anonymous.

Granted, you can't just will those players into your program, and apparently Saban at 'Bama is scooping up as many as he can every year, but somewhere you've got to try and get those kinds of game-changers back into play. This kind of defense at OU just isn't going to get the job done, and the sad part is that it casts a negative light on what I think is actually a pretty decent secondary (esp. Colvin at corner and Jefferson/Harris at safeties).

Guess people don't realize that the first land grab was in Stillwater......

Guess people don't realize this:

On April 22, 1889, the Unassigned Lands of the Oklahoma Territory were opened for homesteading with the first Land Run. By the end of the day, 240 acres (0.97 km2) had been claimed and designated as Stillwater township and a tent city with a population numbering 300 had sprung up on the prairie.

This county was established and named as the Sixth County by the Oklahoma Organic Act of 1890. It included land settled during the Land Run of 1889. The Organic Act settled a dispute between the towns of Stillwater and Payne over which should be the county seat.

OSU was founded in 1890 under the Morrill Act.

So technically, dirt burglars aka sooners existed before Stillwater and Oklahoma A&M were even in existence. Nice try though.

Its so nice to be living in the Sooner state

Its so nice to be living in the Sooner state

Sooner born and sooner bred and when I die I'll be just another gooner who's never stepped foot on gooner campus. ;)

Good points, SoonerDave. I'll add on that its not just OU's d-line that is awful, but the entire front 7. The LBers are equally bad. They put so much pressure on the secondary because they get no pressure.

As far as Bell goes, did you follow him the spring or watch the Red-White game? Bell was a very good passer in HS and looked very good throwing the ball in the spring. They should change the O some, but it's not like he'll be a run-first QB. You never fully know until he actually takes over the O, but I'm not overly worried about Bell's ability to throw. He won't be Landry, but hopefully his ability to run some can offset that. I'd like to see an O like what K-State runs with Klein.

I would agree with your assessment but OU won’t need to lean on Bells feet like KSU does with Klein.
Bell is a pretty good passer but he still needs to have the game slow down.

Bell will have a very good group of receivers to work with and a better OL.

Sooner born and sooner bred and when I die I'll be just another gooner who's never stepped foot on gooner campus. ;)It’s so sad that you don’t know what the good life is all about.

Hey, 48, ya gotta see the sarcasm. Nm...