The trouble is, some of us like our suburban lifestyle, large back yards, etc. It works out for the city because our houses are worth more per square foot than crappy apartments and condos, except those downtown (but the market won't be able to sustain the current prices for downtown homes IMHO). Your idea pretends that OKC competes with no one for finding good homeowners. Decrease the options here and Edmond, Moore, etc. will be happy to have those property tax dollars.

Also, decreasing the value of new development does two things: it stunts new development and leads to lower prices, which invite lower quality building and in 20-30 years, you have dilapidated, crime-ridden neighborhoods.

Amen, Midtowner. This notion that "everyone" wants to live in the the urban hipster areas conveniently ignores the explosive growth being seen in outer OKC areas such as Newcastle, Tuttle, Yukon, etc. Moore is already welcoming sales tax dollars in their new shopping district, and those dollars are being spent by folks in those evil SW OKC suburbs, Norman, Tuttle, et al.

It is astonishing to me (and, at the same time, it isn't) that people don't get the notion that if you start building crap, more crap comes in. They either don't get it, or they're just being intellectually dishonest in pursuit of a broader agenda of imposing their own kind of economic will on the masses, but that's another thread entirely.

Great, what are they going to fill the lake with, flood water every 4 or 5 years? What happens in the other non-flood years?

Any new photos of Canton or Hefner as the waters fluctuate?

Soonerdave - no one is saying to get rid of current homes. Just build new ones that are consistent with the limits of nature and the reasonable modifications of man.

Great, what are they going to fill the lake with, flood water every 4 or 5 years? What happens in the other non-flood years?Oh I don’t know….
I grew up in a town that had one hundred year floods about 3 or 4 times a year just about every year for decades.
I witness Kaw Lake pretty much fill up in 2 days when they said it would take many months.
I have seen the river that feeds Canton Lake in full flood near Woodward.

The water is treated at a plant on the north side of the lake and they do a very good job as OKC water has consistently ranked in the top ten nation wide for may years.

The City does not remove trash from the lake to the best of my knowledge. They do empty the trash barrels though. When I questioned Parks officials about litter pick-up at the lake I was told that it couldn'e be done because of the wind in Oklahoma which will just blow in more trash!

My family and friends have spent countless hours at the lake picking up debris left by fishermen, water bottles and lids left by trail users, fast food trash from picnickers, and couches, tires, fence parts, old street signs, innumerable bottles and cans and certain things I shudder to mention. During the low water we thought it would be a good idea to get out there pick up the newly exposed trash but it all it did was give us feelings of futility.

We are currently planning our next lake clean-up for March. I'm looking at dates now to try and not interfere with other recreational events or Easter weekend. Volunteers usually come from the surrounding neighborhoods, from running and triathlete organizations that use the lake, other recreational lake users and boaters. This year we are trying to engage fishermen to help and we will be putting up posters at the area sporting goods stores.

You are more than welcome to join us. We will provide trash bags and rubber gloves and the City will pick up our bags of trash from the lake. Please watch the website www.lakehefner.org (http://www.lakehefner.org/) for the date and time.

Sorry, gotta go find a copy of Internet for Dummies.

Great, what are they going to fill the lake with, flood water every 4 or 5 years? What happens in the other non-flood years?

Oh please. I've just proved your silly fearmongering to be completely off base and non-factual. You said we had no long term plan. In fact, I've provided you links to the long term plan. OKC is set for the long-term with the expansion of local reservoirs and the development of resources in SE Oklahoma which are nowhere near being threatened. One of our resources being drained in the event of an exemplary drought is no cause for serious concern, except maybe that we ought to be developing some of these resources more quickly.

Do a little research. The OWRB has had a drought management plan since 1997.

http://www.owrb.ok.gov/supply/drought/reports/drought_plan.pdf

And in fact, of the 38 most recently identified potential sites for new reservoirs all are within 38 miles of OKC. The OWRB has stated that we have enough water currently to meet anticipated growth for the next 50 years without any new reservoir construction. It goes without saying that your little chicken little act falls somewhere between silly and insane.

http://newsok.com/study-identifies-38-most-viable-sites-for-new-oklahoma-reservoirs/article/3574027

Oh please. I've just proved your silly fearmongering to be completely off base and non-factual. You said we had no long term plan. In fact, I've provided you links to the long term plan. OKC is set for the long-term with the expansion of local reservoirs and the development of resources in SE Oklahoma which are nowhere near being threatened. One of our resources being drained in the event of an exemplary drought is no cause for serious concern, except maybe that we ought to be developing some of these resources more quickly.

Do a little research. The OWRB has had a drought management plan since 1997.

http://www.owrb.ok.gov/supply/drought/reports/drought_plan.pdf

And in fact, of the 38 most recently identified potential sites for new reservoirs all are within 38 miles of OKC. The OWRB has stated that we have enough water currently to meet anticipated growth for the next 50 years without any new reservoir construction. It goes without saying that your little chicken little act falls somewhere between silly and insane.

Study identifies 38 most viable sites for new Oklahoma reservoirs | News OK (http://newsok.com/study-identifies-38-most-viable-sites-for-new-oklahoma-reservoirs/article/3574027)Water is not an infinite resource. It is more limited than you think. Not disagreeing you nor trying to be argumentative. Just keep that in mind.

Water is not an infinite resource. It is more limited than you think. Not disagreeing you nor trying to be argumentative. Just keep that in mind.

I'm pinning my hopes on the premise that the OWRB knows what it's talking about when it says OKC is fine for the next 50 years without any new construction rather than a bunch of internet chicken littles who have read a few articles on the internet and now think they're experts on the subject. Especially, considering that in doing so, they had to simply disregard everything the OWRB, which is the only authority of any value on the subject outside of maybe the Army Corps of Engineers has to say.

In other words, RM et al are basically water "truthers."

Kevin, I don't think the OWRB took into account you keeping your lawn the greenest on the block. They may have to retract their statement to 47 years lol

I'm pinning my hopes on the premise that the OWRB knows what it's talking about when it says OKC is fine for the next 50 years without any new construction rather than a bunch of internet chicken littles who have read a few articles on the internet and now think they're experts on the subject. Especially, considering that in doing so, they had to simply disregard everything the OWRB, which is the only authority of any value on the subject outside of maybe the Army Corps of Engineers has to say.

In other words, RM et al are basically water "truthers."

I hope you're right. I just think that not all "experts" on the matter know what the hell they're talking about. Witness the I. M. Pei plan. I also hope you're right when I can go to ALL of the local lakes and see the fact of critically low water levels. I'll just comfort myself in knowing that the OWRB is so much better than all the other government entities and I can trust them implicitly.

I'm pinning my hopes on the premise that the OWRB knows what it's talking about when it says OKC is fine for the next 50 years without any new construction rather than a bunch of internet chicken littles who have read a few articles on the internet and now think they're experts on the subject. Especially, considering that in doing so, they had to simply disregard everything the OWRB, which is the only authority of any value on the subject outside of maybe the Army Corps of Engineers has to say.

In other words, RM et al are basically water "truthers."I agree. I just think that our problems are more short term, other than that, I think you're right on track with that statement.

Oh please. I've just proved your silly fearmongering to be completely off base and non-factual. You said we had no long term plan. In fact, I've provided you links to the long term plan.

I said what? You have me confused with someone else, mkjeeves perhaps.

I said what? You have me confused with someone else, mkjeeves perhaps.

He seems to. But I didn't say we didn't have a long term water or drought plan. Nor did I say the sky is falling. I said we didn't have a comprehensive vision and plan for OKC et al. At least not a current one that I'm aware of. If we do, what is it and who developed it?


On the specific issue of water and drought, that does reoccur on a regular basis and is upon us again, we have a planning, quality of life and beautification ordinance in place that is at odds with water conservation measures proposed by a different agency. Why? Lack of planning and vision, obviously.

He seems to. But I didn't say we didn't have a long term water or drought plan. I said we didn't have a comprehensive vision and plan for OKC et al. At least not a current one that I'm aware of. If we do, what is it and who developed it?

I know exactly what you meant, but I am a bit of a visionary. I am less worried about the bumps in the road and more worried about where the road goes.

He seems to. But I didn't say we didn't have a long term water or drought plan. Nor did I say the sky is falling. I said we didn't have a comprehensive vision and plan for OKC et al. At least not a current one that I'm aware of. If we do, what is it and who developed it?


We do have a comprehensive plan, but such plans have to be adjusted as realities change. When the reality is that we don't have to build another reservoir for 50 years and are supplied well enough to handle droughts like this one, things are fine. What do you want in a "comprehensive" plan? A plan that in 2035, we'll expand Stanley Draper whether we need to or not? We have the OKC Water Utilities Trust. They're doing their job.

I hope you're right. I just think that not all "experts" on the matter know what the hell they're talking about. Witness the I. M. Pei plan. I also hope you're right when I can go to ALL of the local lakes and see the fact of critically low water levels. I'll just comfort myself in knowing that the OWRB is so much better than all the other government entities and I can trust them implicitly.

"Critically low"?

Maybe for recreational use, but that's not what these lakes are for and there's plenty left.

"Critically low"?

Maybe for recreational use, but that's not what these lakes are for and there's plenty left.

So much left that our U.S. Senators recently had a bill passed that allowed Norman to transfer water in from other lakes when it got so low it couldn't provide water to Norman?

Mid, I do not believe you understand what I said since you again talked about water plans, but it doesn't matter to me. Here is the current comprehensive plan.

http://www.okc.gov/planning/okc_plan/documents/OKCPlan2000-2020.pdf

So much left that our U.S. Senators recently had a bill passed that allowed Norman to transfer water in from other lakes when it got so low it couldn't provide water to Norman?

And problem solved. They are now transferring water from the Atoka Pipeline. All is well.

Any new photos of Canton or Hefner as the waters fluctuate?

I borrowed a couple shot on Tues. One more week.

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/1_zps5ea33e49.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/2_zpse48849cc.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/3_zps2f109a8e.jpg

I thought everyone would enjoy this video.

Water Conservation Issues and Oklahma Drought Forecast - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDIw0-oPWm0&sns=em)

I thought everyone would enjoy this video.

Water Conservation Issues and Oklahma Drought Forecast - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDIw0-oPWm0&sns=em)

Way to go with the video LAW... Marsha Slaughter and Company killed Canton Lake with their lack of foresight, now she has killed this thread with her video! I kid, I kid....OK, no I don't...I''m serious!

Listening to her speak and tell lies, or half truths or whatever you want to call it, makes me want to punch my computer screen. I don't know what planet she is or has been living on, but this drought is considerably more serious than she is making it out. Her delusional thought of Canton Lake filling up in two years has me shaking my head at how she keeps her job!

The Climatologist seemed to be the only one in the room with the real grasp of how serious the situation is. Yes, it could rain this spring and it could rain a bunch, but when all signs and professional are implying they don't think it will, shouldn't you at least address that Ms. Slaughter???

I think we have redefined "truthers"!

Way to go with the video LAW... Marsha Slaughter and Company killed Canton Lake with their lack of foresight, now she has killed this thread with her video! I kid, I kid....OK, no I don't...I''m serious!

Listening to her speak and tell lies, or half truths or whatever you want to call it, makes me want to punch my computer screen. I don't know what planet she is or has been living on, but this drought is considerably more serious than she is making it out. Her delusional thought of Canton Lake filling up in two years has me shaking my head at how she keeps her job!

The Climatologist seemed to be the only one in the room with the real grasp of how serious the situation is. Yes, it could rain this spring and it could rain a bunch, but when all signs and professional are implying they don't think it will, shouldn't you at least address that Ms. Slaughter???Who's saying this?

I went to Lake Hefner after work this evening to walk along 'The River' in my dress shoes, lol.

Turning back to look at the flow.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8379/8456465991_bd57b2c7de_b.jpg

Halfway there.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8515/8456466631_61d700e794_b.jpg

Closing in on the delta.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8379/8457567030_05d1739755_h.jpg

As far as I got without trashing my shoes.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8456469417_fcc5243d64_b.jpg

Heading back to the car.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8380/8456470013_7b51bbdb44_h.jpg

Who wants to surf??
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8379/8457570574_bd7f07ec24_b.jpg

Good video. Interesting and informative on a couple of fronts. It's notable that we already rank far below the national averages in discretionary outdoor water use and are average with indoor water use. 30% here against 50-55% as an average elsewhere for outdoor water.

Good video. Interesting and informative on a couple of fronts. It's notable that we already rank far below the national averages in discretionary outdoor water use and are average with indoor water use. 30% here against 50-55% as an average elsewhere for outdoor water.

Where did you get the 30% number?

From Debbie Ragan with the OKC Water Dept, "According to the OKC Water Department, about 60 percent of municipal water is used for outdoor watering."

Here's the link OKC encouraging residents to let grass go | KFOR.com ? Oklahoma City News & Weather from KFOR Television, Oklahoma's News Channel 4 (http://kfor.com/2012/08/01/okc-encouraging-residents-to-let-bermuda-grass-die/)

I should add, before this latest water release.

Where did you get the 30% number?



From the video you posted and I referenced. There was a fair amount of discussion about it. You didn't watch it?




From Debbie Ragan with the OKC Water Dept, "According to the OKC Water Department, about 60 percent of municipal water is used for outdoor watering."

Here's the link OKC encouraging residents to let grass go | KFOR.com ? Oklahoma City News & Weather from KFOR Television, Oklahoma's News Channel 4 (/2012/08/01/okc-encouraging-residents-to-let-bermuda-grass-die/)



That's a story of what was reportedly said by the water department from last August about water use in August, how hard a time pumps have keeping up etc. Don't you think she meant use was 60% at that time? What percent do you think it is now during the winter? Have news outlets ever gotten their facts and quotes wrong?


The rate in the video was from the water department too, straight from the horses mouth, and was most definitely about annual use. That report was saying water restrictions on watering could capture part of that 30% but that it was already low compared to national rates. Shadid's point was that with conservation indoors, and improvements like better toilets, we could beat that average and conserve part of that indoor use too.

Where did you get the 30% number?

From Debbie Ragan with the OKC Water Dept, "According to the OKC Water Department, about 60 percent of municipal water is used for outdoor watering."

Here's the link OKC encouraging residents to let grass go | KFOR.com ? Oklahoma City News & Weather from KFOR Television, Oklahoma's News Channel 4 (http://kfor.com/2012/08/01/okc-encouraging-residents-to-let-bermuda-grass-die/)

Way to go. You pulled a link from August 2012 talking about water use for August 2012. Your argument is invalid unless you prove to me without a reasonable doubt that the OKC water department went house to house and measured the amount of water that went onto people's yards. They didn't. That number is speculative at best.

Way to go. You pulled a link from August 2012 talking about water use for August 2012. Your argument is invalid unless you prove to me without a reasonable doubt that the OKC water department went house to house and measured the amount of water that went onto people's yards. They didn't. That number is speculative at best.

For billing they generally us a sample of what you use in the winter when grass is dormant to set a base for how much you use for household use, then use the difference between what you use in the summer with your grass alive for outdoor use. That may be where they get the estimate for this too. We could have an abnormally large percentage of people watering when it does no good but probably not.

I'm honestly sitting here and have been since watching the video, trying to figure out how the heck they know how much water is used outdoors or indoors??? Doesn't that have to be purely a speculative figure??

I can assure you of one thing, I have caught them (OCWUT and OKC officials) giving false figures on the news to make their story look better many many times!! So why wouldn't they fudge the 30% outdoor figure?? Why wouldn't they fudge the figures on how good OKC is compared to other cities in being conservative??

They have done it with many other things in the news.... such as repeatedly saying "Lake Hefner water is a major source of "DRINKING" water for 1.2 million people"....that is such bull and we all know it. Approximately 200K people rely on water from Hefner for anything from "drinking" to flushing toilets and watering their lawn and washing their car and.......so they exaggerate the figure of how many people to make it sound more important and they claim "drinking" water to make it more important and so on...

They continue to try and "sell" the public the story that there really isn't a water crisis...... they LIE!

From the video you posted and I referenced. There was a fair amount of discussion about it. You didn't watch it?
The rate in the video was from the water department too, and was most definitely about annual use. That report was saying water restrictions on watering could capture part of that 30% but that it was already low compared to national rates. Shadid's point was that with conservation indoors, and improvements like better toilets, we could beat that average and conserve part of that indoor use too.

Yes, I have watched the video several times. OKCWT is currently in a PR campaign to protect their decisions from criticism. I'm looking for numbers they promoted as fact before the latest crisis. In this warmer, drier trend, I would think outdoor use has not dropped that much. I am certainly not a water system analyst, but I do not see how pumps keeping up or not changes how the water is used. Since there is no metering of outdoor use, IMHO, it seems to me any percentage quoted is only a guesstimate, at best. I have seen little effort to save any water indoors or out.

Did you watch the climatologist. Those drought circles are over the area drained by Canton Lake. If the weather continues like it did from fall 2010 until now, there will not be 30,000 acre-ft next year, and the next year, and the year after. If we are in a 7-10 year cycle, and we are only thru 2+ years, we may have 7-8 years left.

The city councilmen showed a complete lack of care or understanding of the situation. As long as Slaughter says there is plenty of water, we're all good to go!

Maybe the Canton water truthers could come up with some actual comparative water use facts about OKC and other cities. (Be sure to include Canton residents in those figures just for reference.) I bet they won't though because I'm pretty sure they will find the facts don't fit with their narrative we all have our indoor and outdoor faucets running 24/7.

Personally, I'm finding the BS and acrimony wearing a little thin.

Imagine what would your feelings would be if Dallas bought all the Sardis water? And told OKC tough. We're bigger, we're better, were more important that you. We are the economic driver in this region. We need water! It's our water, we paid for it. How dare you unimportant people in OKC question us? Criticize us? Just shut up, we tire of these bitter complaints. But, come to our wonderful, beautiful Dallas and spend your money here.

We only continue because we believe real problems may be coming soon for the residents of OKC dependent on Hefner water. Real problems for Hefner are multiplied 1000 times or more for us. If our city council and water dept makes a foolish decision, it has no effect on you. If your city council and OKCWT makes a foolish decision, it destroys us, our businesses, our environment. So, when we destroy your lives, I'll listen, and I'll try to help solve the problem, and I will certainly have empathy for those who are the victims.

Maybe the Canton water truthers could come up with some actual comparative water use facts about OKC and other cities. (Be sure to include Canton residents in those figures just for reference.) I bet they won't though because I'm pretty sure they will find the facts don't fit with their narrative we all have our indoor and outdoor faucets running 24/7.

Personally, I'm finding the BS and acrimony wearing a little thin.

Wait, since I am only a dumb redneck from the sticks....first thing on my agenda is to go google "acrimony"!!!!! ;-)

Interesting point above; but Dallas does not reside in Oklahoma and OKC is the capital and by far largest city of this jurisdiction.

Not to fan, just a point of clarification... ...

I wish I could send some of our plentiful Pac NW water you guys' way. Best of Wishes.

Interesting point above; but Dallas does not reside in Oklahoma and OKC is the capital and by far largest city of this jurisdiction.

Not to fan, just a point of clarification... ...

I wish I could send some of our plentiful Pac NW water you guys' way. Best of Wishes.


We would certainly take it. Dallas was trying to buy the Sardis water. I believe they recently had to pass as state law to prevent OK water from being sold to Texas. So, the point is not totally out of the realm of possibility. And, there are still lawsuits pending.

Thanks for the best wishes!

IIRC, that didn't have anything to do with Sardis and more with Hugo and the fact that the Arbuckle Simpson is a sole-source aquifer. If they drained it, it'd be a major blow for the entire area.

If it helps ease anyone's mind I can safely say my neighborhood has cut our water consumption since the drought began...Don't see very many trying valiantly to retain a Better Homes and Gardens lawn

If it helps ease anyone's mind I can safely say my neighborhood has cut our water consumption since the drought began...Don't see very many trying valiantly to retain a Better Homes and Gardens lawn

Thanks! Small amounts add up.

IIRC, that didn't have anything to do with Sardis and more with Hugo and the fact that the Arbuckle Simpson is a sole-source aquifer. If they drained it, it'd be a major blow for the entire area.

How about draining Canton Lake being a major blow to all of western OK?

How about draining Canton Lake being a major blow to all of western OK?

It's not.

Canton is a small and economically insignificant town. Population 620. That's smaller than many grade schools 'round these parts.

Outside of maybe having to drive a little farther to fish, the rest of Western OK is not really affected. A few bait and tackle shops are going to close in order to provide water to central OK. I can live with it.

So if it's only $$$'s, you should watch out for the Dallas metro. I'm sure they consider you insignificant. As will others upscale from OKC. Certainly you are a fine example of fly-over attitudes. You may have some importance in your own mind, but there are many things you cannot provide for yourself, besides water.

So if it's only $$$'s, you should watch out for the Dallas metro. I'm sure they consider you insignificant. As will others upscale from OKC. Certainly you are a fine example of fly-over attitudes. You may have some importance in your own mind, but there are many things you cannot provide for yourself, besides water.

Okay, cut us off from fishing tackle. I think we'll be okay. Dallas is after the storage rights of Hugo and after whatever rights the tribes think they have in Sardis, which is a weak argument. That's not really on our map at the moment.

The draw continues. Where do you think the next 30,000 acre feet will come from? Shame you aren't as important to the world as you think you are.

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/LakeS_zps0c0f688f.jpg


This is from the other side of the lake, but shooting across the same area, but one boat taking photos of another boat.

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/SkiBoat_zps95febe12.jpg

OKC got theirs. That's the important thing. It's a big league city on the rise. don't mess with the mo" Water conservation measures during historic drought would be bad pub if it gets out. Sorry about the massive fish kill that likely is going to occur this summer, devestating the the recreation economy, but whiny people in Nichols Hills just have to have a lush green lawn.

OKC got theirs. That's the important thing. It's a big league city on the rise. don't mess with the mo" Water conservation measures during historic drought would be bad pub if it gets out. Sorry about the massive fish kill that likely is going to occur this summer, devestating the the recreation economy, but whiny people in Nichols Hills just have to have a lush green lawn.

Ed,
Why don't you come back when you have a clue. Stop posting uninformed nonsense. Nichols Hills gets their water from 23 wells from the Garber - Wellington aquifer - They do not get it from Lake Hefner thus Canton.

City of Nichols Hills - Water/Sewer Department Homepage (http://www.nicholshills.net/SectionIndex.asp?SectionID=27)

Wait, since I am only a dumb redneck from the sticks....first thing on my agenda is to go google "acrimony"!!!!! ;-)

Maybe when you are done with that you could try getting familiar with the word "Facts" and emailing that to a few of your close friends,

especially since the stated reason you, law and a few others have suddenly appeared on the scene is to educate us.

Ed,
Why don't you come back when you have a clue. Stop posting uninformed nonsense. Nichols Hills gets their water from 23 wells from the Garber - Wellington aquifer - They do not get it from Lake Hefner thus Canton.

City of Nichols Hills - Water/Sewer Department Homepage (http://www.nicholshills.net/SectionIndex.asp?SectionID=27)

Thanks for setting me straight Boo- whiny people in the Village. does that work. Point is, OKC has imperiled the health of Canton Lake rather than come up with a water conservation plan. The release wasn't necessary at this time. OKC wanted to make sure they got theirs, screw Canton. Greedy short sighted leadership in OKC.

Thanks for setting me straight Boo- whiny people in the Village. does that work. Point is, OKC has imperiled the health of Canton Lake rather than come up with a water conservation plan. The release wasn't necessary at this time. OKC wanted to make sure they got theirs, screw Canton. Greedy short sighted leadership in OKC.

And Moore and Edmond...We are whiny too

Maybe when you are done with that you could try getting familiar with the word "Facts" and emailing that to a few of your close friends,

especially since the stated reason you, law and a few others have suddenly appeared on the scene is to educate us.

Yes, Jeeves...I did use the word "educate" at one point or another, but I believe the way I used it was to "educate" the good people of OKC about the severity of the situation and the adverse affects this release was having on Canton Lake and surrounding communities.

I am hoping there are some goodhearted folks following this feed that just didn't realize how serious the situation was.... but now that they do they will begin to see why voluntary conservation is so important. Most people don't live by the creed that they always have to take everything that is theirs, just because it's theirs, especially if it's going to harm a lot of other people by doing so. I did say most people...we have to leave room for others in this conversation who think they are the most important thing on the planet and always have to be right.

I have seen so many good people from OKC joining the side of the Canton Lake supporters after they hear the facts that it is amazing. I have had many, many good folks reach out and offer to help us with our situation by educating their neighbors about the detrimental effects of this release and how important water conservation is. So you keep arguing your points and trying to belittle us out here and I will just keep trying to "educate" the people who have a heart about what's really going on.

Anytime a communities growth comes at the cost of their fellow statesmen, I just can't see that as being the best we can do as people from Oklahoma. Anytime someone says it's our right because we are bigger and more powerful than you, and we don't really care the damage it does to you, then I think they have missed the boat on being a good human.

Again though, I don't blame the people of OKC for this mess, I blame the people in power there.

I took this photo April 2012.....Very, very low then.......

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/April12_zps3eeaf181.jpg


More to go....soon to be dead.

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u641/CantonLake/LakeS_zps0c0f688f.jpg

Let Hefner be filled to the brim with the tears of the people of Canton!

Let Hefner be filled to the brim with the tears of the people of Canton!

Not enough of us to matter.....remember? But, if you're one of the ones out of water, the 200,000 crying may help us out!

It's not just the few of us in Canton....It's all of us in western OK, western KS, the TX panhandle.

Not enough of us to matter.....remember? But, if you're one of the ones out of water, the 200,000 crying may help us out!

It's not just the few of us in Canton....It's all of us in western OK, western KS, the TX panhandle.

All Canton is to Western OK is a lake to go fishing and skiing on... oh you get flood control too, but who are we kidding, like you'll be using it for that anytime in the foreseeable future.

Canton exists for one reason: to supply OKC. It was the cheapest available source and we knew we could draw now with an acceptable rate of loss. We ended up with ~15,000 more acre feet and that's a very good thing. In the future, I'd say Canton will probably continue to be our first choice to empty out before hitting other sources because of the unfortunate (for y'all) fact that water runs downhill.

All Canton is to Western OK is a lake to go fishing and skiing on... oh you get flood control too, but who are we kidding, like you'll be using it for that anytime in the foreseeable future.

Canton exists for one reason: to supply OKC. It was the cheapest available source and we knew we could draw now with an acceptable rate of loss. We ended up with ~15,000 more acre feet and that's a very good thing. In the future, I'd say Canton will probably continue to be our first choice to empty out before hitting other sources because of the unfortunate (for y'all) fact that water runs downhill.

ONLY IF IT RAINS! Otherwise, you are the "unfortunate"! Didn't you see the photo. No water is no water. You should pray for rain!

If Mid is right about Canton being just for fishing and boating then I have to agree with him...Now this is coming from a non lake dude but those two reasons aren't exactly life changing