How many actual gallons does a large farm use per day?

Is there not an easier and cheaper way to supply water just for irrigation?

A train with 100 tanker cars can transport 3 million gallons at a time…. Power plants and export facilities run trains daily in some areas from coal mines. Would 3 million gallons a day make a dent in areas with a lot farms?

It would be expensive day to day, but much cheaper than a transcontinental pipeline with pump stations to lift water over 5,000 feet?

With coal traffic declining over the next 10 years the railroads probably wouldn’t mind replacing those unit coal trains with unit water trains?

Just an idea. I have no idea how much water a farm uses per day.

There is 326K gallons in one acre-foot of water, I'm going to guess corn needs about 18 to 24 inches of water per harvest, or about 450-650K gallons per acre.

I think people have a hard time understanding the massive volumes of water creeks/rivers/farms deal with. How many gallons of gas do you buy a month? Maybe ~100 gal? How much water does the average house use? Somewhere about 8000+ gallons a month.

Looks like they are going to try for 2' of water again.

https://www.okc.gov/Home/Components/News/News/4256/18

Interesting they don't say how much the water purchase costs; or what does Canton do with the money? Road construction?

Interesting they don't say how much the water purchase costs; or what does Canton do with the money? Road construction?
That lake is not owned by the city of Canton. It is owned and operated by the Army Corp of Engineers. OKC has the storage rights and pays them to have it released.

That lake is not owned by the city of Canton. It is owned and operated by the Army Corp of Engineers. OKC has the storage rights and pays them to have it released.

Why isn't there a concrete corridor to ensure more of this flow makes the transfer, or a pipe?

Seems too low tech...

Why isn't there a concrete corridor to ensure more of this flow makes the transfer, or a pipe?

Seems too low tech...

cost

cost

Okc pumps water from Atoka via pipeline its a 100 mile pipe. Also, further away is McGee Creek Reservoir on the same line. OKC could build a pipeline, but when there is the river (free) to get it here they'd just rather use it. A pipeline from Canton would be beneficial to both OKC and Canton. We would not need to pull as much water out as we do via the river.

Okc pumps water from Atoka via pipeline its a 100 mile pipe. Also, further away is McGee Creek Reservoir on the same line. OKC could build a pipeline, but when there is the river (free) to get it here they'd just rather use it. A pipeline from Canton would be beneficial to both OKC and Canton. We would not need to pull as much water out as we do via the river.

That would be true is OKC was getting water from Canton on a regular basis but once every 10 years or so makes it a no go.

Perhaps as long as Lake Hefner isn’t critically low it may be worth it to wait a little longer for a widespread rain event along the river basin, and release a larger amount then. I wonder if water loss would be significantly less?

Okc pumps water from Atoka via pipeline its a 100 mile pipe. Also, further away is McGee Creek Reservoir on the same line. OKC could build a pipeline, but when there is the river (free) to get it here they'd just rather use it. A pipeline from Canton would be beneficial to both OKC and Canton. We would not need to pull as much water out as we do via the river.

The second pipeline to south east Oklahoma has started being built, but it will take years to complete.

Perhaps it's time to no longer issue pool permits and start permanent water rationing

start permanent water rationing

okc has had that for years now

Perhaps it's time to no longer issue pool permits and start permanent water rationing

Why? The water in Canton is available. It should be used before any kind of rationing. OKC planned ahead so OKC residents can have lush yards and gardens not otherwise sustainable in this climate. Canton gets a recreational lake for free which is usable most months out of the year. If we're taking water at this time, the fishing in October is going to be pretty terrible as fish are cold-blooded critters and in cold months they don't eat much, so consequently, the fishing isn't good. There's not much waterskiing or other recreation because it's too darn cold.

It's not as if water is a non-renewable resource and even when there is a pipeline, you take the water which gets to you because gravity over the water you have to pay for energy to pump to you up hill.

This thread is basically ridiculous. All this whining and gnashing of teeth every time there's water taken, which is only once every several years. This is especially dumb if you consider the alternative, i.e., there was never a lake in Canton. It's a man-made lake built to serve the needs of OKC--and when it's used as such, why is anyone surprised or even annoyed?

Why? The water in Canton is available. It should be used before any kind of rationing. OKC planned ahead so OKC residents can have lush yards and gardens not otherwise sustainable in this climate...

Your reasoning is that since there is water that can be used we should go ahead and use it on wasteful lawns and gardens? OKC will need to get used to less and less water being available to them and that includes using less water overall on vanity.

But I do agree that water should be drawn regardless if Canton wants a full lake. Canton only has like 500 residents which is basically a large apartment complex.

Posts like this are the reason that every aquifer in the mid-west is drying up

And certain moneyed powerbrokers can't afford to buy out the land from the farming interests that it would take to get the r-o-w to build such a pipeline or aqueduct

OKC will need to get used to less and less water being available to them and that includes using less water overall on vanity.

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based on what??

Perhaps as long as Lake Hefner isn’t critically low it may be worth it to wait a little longer for a widespread rain event along the river basin, and release a larger amount then. I wonder if water loss would be significantly less?That would be a good idea. At no time this year has Hefner been low enough to be anywhere near worried about supply. In somewhere between '13 and '16 we pulled our last sailboat out just before there wasn't enough water to get her out and she sat on the trailer until she sold. That year you could walk from one shore almost at the east end of the main rows of slips all the way to the other shore on dry land. It hasn't been low enough this year for any of the slips to be completely unusable. Unless you have a fairly deep draft keel. The bottom of the older ramp was at least 50 feet from water.

Posts like this are the reason that every aquifer in the mid-west is drying up

Cool, but this is surface water, not ground water. Unless there's some kind of comprehensive water use plan in the works which actually considers aquifer depletion rates, I'd say you have a point. But you don't have a point.

Your reasoning is that since there is water that can be used we should go ahead and use it on wasteful lawns and gardens? OKC will need to get used to less and less water being available to them and that includes using less water overall on vanity.

On the contrary, OKC is about the gain access to a huge amount of water in SE Oklahoma and has its needs met for at least the next 50-100 years. There are, of course, always a bunch of chicken littles who have been consuming media about the Colorado River or other parts of the country which are really going through major changes because of lack of water supply. We, however, are not one of those areas.

I do have concerns for communities which are relying on an endless supply of aquifer water, but there's so much water available to OKC that I imagine selling water to those communities won't be a huge stretch, but man am I glad I live in OKC proper and not Edmond proper with that issue on the not so far horizon.

Largely unrestrained growth in Oklahoma City and the ongoing drought

Largely unrestrained growth in Oklahoma City and the ongoing drought

There is a drought, sure, but Oklahoma City has a ridiculous amount of reserve water. You can go back into this thread which I've described as live-blogging the rain and you'll be able to observe the endless cycle of folks hand wringing because the sky is falling versus hand wrining because we're having to release water from Hefner downstream. I can only conclude that you've been consuming content about Lake Meade and and the Las Vegas water supply, which is really a dire situation, or Los Angelas and its water supply and somehow think the situation in Oklahoma is similar.

It isn't. Not remotely. We are poised for massive growth over the next decades. The city's water infrastructure is about the best planned aspect of the city. There is a huge pipeline project in the works which isn't even necessary to satisfy current demand. And there are plans beyond that.

Cool, but this is surface water, not ground water. Unless there's some kind of comprehensive water use plan in the works which actually considers aquifer depletion rates, I'd say you have a point. But you don't have a point.

That's sort of the problem isn't it - all of central Oklahoma's towns & cities have municipal wells, as well as many of the rural water districts, (above and beyond farm and ranch operation wells and private residential wells.)

Urban users increasingly deplete water coming from the municipal wells and surface reservoirs around here and require us to deplete Canton and Atoka for no other reason that we allow people to have lush green lawns 10 months out of the year and refill pools every week

Your reasoning is that since there is water that can be used we should go ahead and use it on wasteful lawns and gardens? OKC will need to get used to less and less water being available to them and that includes using less water overall on vanity.

Yes, pet lawns should and hopefully will continue to be a thing. I love my lawns and enjoy working on them.

Urban users increasingly deplete water coming from the municipal wells and surface reservoirs around here and require us to deplete Canton and Atoka for no other reason that we allow people to have lush green lawns 7 months out of the year and 5 minutes a day from the garden hose to keep the pools full


Let me fix this for you.

I believe in conservation, but not to make it look way worse than what it is.

That's sort of the problem isn't it - all of central Oklahoma's towns & cities have municipal wells, as well as many of the rural water districts, (above and beyond farm and ranch operation wells and private residential wells.)

Urban users increasingly deplete water coming from the municipal wells and surface reservoirs around here and require us to deplete Canton and Atoka for no other reason that we allow people to have lush green lawns 10 months out of the year and refill pools every week

Seems to be plenty of water leaving the Oklahoma in those rivers into states with an excess of water. You're criticizing people for making use of the very reason those lakes were built.......

Refill pools every week? Really?

Seems to be plenty of water leaving the Oklahoma in those rivers into states with an excess of water. You're criticizing people for making use of the very reason those lakes were built.......
The lakes constructed in OKlahoma during the WPA generation and subsequent federal acts were not just for reservoir drinking water storage, primarily, they were originally constructed for flood control during wet seasons, then additional lakes for potable water storage / recreation.

At some point, we're going to be forced to stop extending the urban service boundaries and mandate xeriscaping or construct additional reservoirs

Refill pools every week? Really?
Yes, when I worked for the the City of Norman 20ish years ago, during a previous drought and mandatory water rationing, there were residents that were absolutely defiant about circumventing first odd/even rationing, then bans on anything but hand watering. There were about 20-30 users on the west side of town that were using so much water every month that the the city suspected they had leaks downstream from their meters.

Nope, refilling pools every 10-20 days because of the temps making their pool water uncomfortable and/or the high temps overwhelming the pool chemicals.

Let me fix this for you.

I believe in conservation, but not to make it look way worse than what it is.A lot of people believe in conservation until it inconveniences them

There is a drought, sure, but Oklahoma City has a ridiculous amount of reserve water. You can go back into this thread which I've described as live-blogging the rain and you'll be able to observe the endless cycle of folks hand wringing because the sky is falling versus hand wrining because we're having to release water from Hefner downstream. I can only conclude that you've been consuming content about Lake Meade and and the Las Vegas water supply, which is really a dire situation, or Los Angelas and its water supply and somehow think the situation in Oklahoma is similar.

It isn't. Not remotely. We are poised for massive growth over the next decades. The city's water infrastructure is about the best planned aspect of the city. There is a huge pipeline project in the works which isn't even necessary to satisfy current demand. And there are plans beyond that.

the OKC Water trust has done an amazing job going back all the way to the 1980's being fiscally responsible and securing lots and lots of water rights for the future of OKC ..

as you said OKC has 0 water issue for the next 50-100 years ..

OKC is better poised with their infrastructure in comparison to other cities. A coworker of mine helps with the Garber-Wellington Association and he's been raising the alarm about water woes coming to the area. While OKC is willing to spend the hundreds of million dollars for new pipelines the other communities are not wanting to pitch in and so later there will be issues. And heck Norman and Ada might just build their reservoir but I doubt it.

Also the arid-humid boundary which used to lay on the 100th meridian is moving east. Some research is placing it at the 98th Meridian which is right over OKC. Cant build your way out of climate change...

The lakes constructed in OKlahoma during the WPA generation and subsequent federal acts were not just for reservoir drinking water storage, primarily, they were originally constructed for flood control during wet seasons, then additional lakes for potable water storage / recreation.

At some point, we're going to be forced to stop extending the urban service boundaries and mandate xeriscaping or construct additional reservoirs.

It may have started that way in the 1930s when the dust bowl was ending but it very quickly became a water resource for OKC when Enid failed to use it.


Yes, when I worked for the the City of Norman 20ish years ago, during a previous drought and mandatory water rationing, there were residents that were absolutely defiant about circumventing first odd/even rationing, then bans on anything but hand watering. There were about 20-30 users on the west side of town that were using so much water every month that the the city suspected they had leaks downstream from their meters.

Nope, refilling pools every 10-20 days because of the temps making their pool water uncomfortable and/or the high temps overwhelming the pool chemicals.

No one refills their pool every 10-20 days. Show some proof. smh

Besides, if such stupidity is going on, all it would take to stop is an excess usage charge on their bills.

I have a 30,000 gallon pool/spa. It has a waterfall and I run the filtration for 6 hours a day, from 7:15 am until 1:15 pm. 7 days a week.

It depends on the temps, wind and humidity, but I put 1/4 inch of water in the pool daily on average. When we've had nice rains sometimes I don't put a drop in for a week or so.

So if I put water in each day for a week, I'm putting in less than 2 inches for the week. Facts.

The lakes constructed in OKlahoma during the WPA generation and subsequent federal acts were not just for reservoir drinking water storage, primarily, they were originally constructed for flood control during wet seasons, then additional lakes for potable water storage / recreation.

At some point, we're going to be forced to stop extending the urban service boundaries and mandate xeriscaping or construct additional reservoirs

Yes, when I worked for the the City of Norman 20ish years ago, during a previous drought and mandatory water rationing, there were residents that were absolutely defiant about circumventing first odd/even rationing, then bans on anything but hand watering. There were about 20-30 users on the west side of town that were using so much water every month that the the city suspected they had leaks downstream from their meters.

Nope, refilling pools every 10-20 days because of the temps making their pool water uncomfortable and/or the high temps overwhelming the pool chemicals.

At some point, cities like Edmond and Bethany and MWC, which all largely rely on mining the aquifer are going to have to make deals to buy OKC water. There is a reason I am very happy to own a home on the south side of the street (OKC) rather than the north side (Edmond).

I mean.. one of may reasons.. there's Edmond electric, trash, etc. as well.

Does Edmond not get their water from the treatment plant below the dam at Arcadia? And Midwest and Del City from the plant below the Dam at Draper? Surely Bethany much like the village uses OKC water?

MWC gets the majority of their water from Thunderbird with the balance from the Garber-Wellington aquifer.

Pretty sure Bethany has their own water supply, I remember there was an issue with them having an extended boil water advisory several months back.

I have been by Lake Hefner several times as it is close to my house. Maybe it might be helpful to take a look at the lake currently.

Warr Acres uses OKC water but has it's own sewer and trash collection. We get a bill from OKC for water and a bill from Warr Acres for sewer and trash collection.

At some point, cities like Edmond and Bethany and MWC, which all largely rely on mining the aquifer are going to have to make deals to buy OKC water. There is a reason I am very happy to own a home on the south side of the street (OKC) rather than the north side (Edmond).

I mean.. one of may reasons.. there's Edmond electric, trash, etc. as well.

Yukon started some sort of agreement like a decade or two ago, and went from previously having an independent system to blending in a percentage from OKC

Yukon started some sort of agreement like a decade or two ago, and went from previously having an independent system to blending in a percentage from OKC

Yukon gets most of its water from wells underneath Will Rogers airport. I pay $20 a month to Yukon for OKC water mandate. So we get a mixture of both.

i was curious about bethany, so i looked it up... according to the report linked below, the city gets its water from a series of wells:

http://sdwis.deq.state.ok.us/DWW/CCReports/OK2005519.pdf

Your water comes from 23 Ground Water Well(s)

i was also curious about yukon. while the city operates its own wells, its output is blended with water sourced from okc in order to comply with arsenic content regulations. the amount varies, but generally 60% of the water is sourced from okc.

http://www.yukonok.gov/sites/yukon3/uploads/documents/PublicWorks/Yukon_2016_CCR.pdf (page 3)

The City of Yukon customers are fortunate because we enjoy an abundant water supply from two sources. Our water sources are groundwater from Garber Wellington Aquifer and purchased water provided by Oklahoma City. The aquifer supplies an average of approximately 2.6 million gallons of groundwater per day to our residents. In order to meet the new arsenic regulations, Yukon water is blended with OKC Water prior to the entry point of Yukon’s system. Depending on the month, 60 percent of the total water supply for Yukon is OKC Water. This process allows the City of Yukon to remain in compliance with the federal regulations.

Yes, pet lawns should and hopefully will continue to be a thing. I love my lawns and enjoy working on them.

You know... I grow cool season grass due to shade (Fescue & Kentucky Bluegrass) which requires a bit more water than a typical bermudagrass lawn. While I recognize the relatively low value/wastefulness that a nice lawn gives for the cost of water, I try to conserve: I use a "smart" sprinkler controller that will cancel if rain is in the forecast, or if it is too windy. I ensure sprinklers aren't broken, or spraying in the road, etc. Total grass area in my front & back yard combined is about 3,000 Sq ft. Could I use less water? Certainly possible.

I really think City of OKC should charge corporate buildings more if they have large swaths of irrigated grass. Or maybe an incentive to convert grass to something less thirsty (Las Vegas has been very good at this).

For example, take the IBC bank building on Portland & Expressway. They water in the hottest part of the day, which is both dumb & wasteful. Their sprinkler system is ALWAYS flooding out intersection of 63rd & Portland. Just absurd amounts of waste. The grass they are watering is just a thin strip between the giant parking lot & the road. Not really adding much value to the property or enjoyment for the occupants.

See figure 1. This was July 18th at 6:15 PM. The high was ~100° that day. IBC Bank has massive sprinkler system watering, so much of it missing the grass it is flooding down the parking lot all over 63rd & Portland. The LEAST they could do is make sure the water goes IN the grass. But no, 1,000's of gallons just washed down the drain. Even more lost to evaporation due to watering in direct July sun.
https://i.imgur.com/T4oWqjI.png

Figure 2: I count at least 44,000 Sq Ft of irrigated turfgrass - doing nothing but forming a border around the parking lot. If I was to water the same amount per unit of area as IBC Bank, it would take me 14.6 years to use as much water as they use in 1 year.
https://i.imgur.com/h06wSK6.png

Now, should residential customers try to conserve water? Of course! We all should. But even if I cut my water use by 50%, we still have these giant corporate buildings doing dumb stuff like this.

IBC Bank isn't the only culprit in this area!

IBC Bank isn't the only culprit in this area!

While I don't see as much of the water from Love's Corporate building being pumped in to the street, they still seem to water during the hottest part of the day. Also growing Fescue just like IBC Bank's grass moat. But they have an even higher amount of area, coming in at 64,000 Sq ft! Compared to my relatively small lawn watered at the same rate, would take 21+ years to be equal:

https://i.imgur.com/gTZ170t.png

Another big one is Lakepoint Towers, just around the corner at 63rd & Expressway. They irrigate at least 72,000 Sq ft of grass. All in the name of... having a green strip between NWXY and their parking lot? Excellent use of resources! About 24 years of use for a lawn my size:

https://i.imgur.com/kIa61Bc.png


While, sure, I realize that the argument could be viewed as "Well if they get to waste, I should get waste to!" But that's not necessarily the argument I'm trying to make. Rather - that if we want to conserve the "common good" of clean water availability for the central OK region, it seems like reducing water use cases such as these would be the easiest/low hanging fruit. City of Las Vegas has paid homes & businesses to remove grass & replace with low/no irrigation requirement species. They also have a team of dedicated water waste "officers" that will hunt for leaks & notify water customers they have a leaking sprinkler, or are wasting water by irrigating the road.

I don't think OKC needs to go quite that far - we live in a prairie vs. Las Vegas in a desert. But we could at the very least create SOME incentive/program for these giant corporate medians to plant native species of bushes/trees, plants that create shade so less water is evaporated, etc. etc. etc.

I still think we should actually ENFORCE the odd/even rationing, especially for non-residential customers. Businesses that flood the entire road like IBC bank should get 1 warning to fix the waste and then a penalty in the form of temporary higher cost for water, or a fine. There's no reason at all to be pumping that much water in to the street!!

Its interesting we always talk on here about oKC being ugly due to the massive use of concrete and lack of landscaping, yet there also appears this thread with post like what little landscaping exists here in the natural grassland of america should not be watered/taken care of.

which is it guys? do we want a beautiful city full of trees and grass fit for the grassland/cross-timber region OKC is in OR do we want a Phoenix or ABQ-style landscaping that is foreign to this area just for the sake of not watering? I'm confused.

Surely there can be a happy medium between a fully concrete environment and regularly flooding streets with overwatering.

Its interesting we always talk on here about oKC being ugly due to the massive use of concrete and lack of landscaping, yet there also appears this thread with post like what little landscaping exists here in the natural grassland of america should not be watered/taken care of.

which is it guys? do we want a beautiful city full of trees and grass fit for the grassland/cross-timber region OKC is in OR do we want a Phoenix or ABQ-style landscaping that is foreign to this area just for the sake of not watering? I'm confused.

As is per usual, folks are consuming media about ewater shortages in the American West and thinking that applies to Oklahoma. It very much doesn't. In fact, our most immediate backup water supply comes from western Oklahoma with an absolutely massive reservoir of untapped water in the East.

This thread at times borders on ridiculous. At no time in the next 100+ years is central Oklahoma looking at a water shortage. In fact, many metropoli such as the DFW can't make similar claims. Unfortunately, the media in DFW and other similar areas barks up a storm about impending water crises whereas OWRB and OKC's water utility keeps quietly going about its business doing a bang-up job.

So businesses are free to water the streets. Feel free to water your lawns every day. OKC is fine. If you want to have an ugly yard that's zero maintenance, xeriscaping is fine.

All I ask is that folks who want to be chicken littles about the water situation in central Oklahoma, please keep it to yourselves or at least back up your doom and gloom with facts relevant to central Oklahoma.

As is per usual, folks are consuming media about ewater shortages in the American West and thinking that applies to Oklahoma. It very much doesn't. In fact, our most immediate backup water supply comes from western Oklahoma with an absolutely massive reservoir of untapped water in the East.

This thread at times borders on ridiculous. At no time in the next 100+ years is central Oklahoma looking at a water shortage. In fact, many metropoli such as the DFW can't make similar claims. Unfortunately, the media in DFW and other similar areas barks up a storm about impending water crises whereas OWRB and OKC's water utility keeps quietly going about its business doing a bang-up job.

So businesses are free to water the streets. Feel free to water your lawns every day. OKC is fine. If you want to have an ugly yard that's zero maintenance, xeriscaping is fine.

All I ask is that folks who want to be chicken littles about the water situation in central Oklahoma, please keep it to yourselves or at least back up your doom and gloom with facts relevant to central Oklahoma.

There’s zero reason to not be careful with the water (i.e. not water the streets), drought or not.

There’s zero reason to not be careful with the water (i.e. not water the streets), drought or not.

there is no reason in OKC to be careful with water ..

there is no reason in OKC to be careful with water ..

Another insightful post from you.

Another insightful post from you.

and yet another fact ..

and yet another fact ..

care to elaborate on this fact?

care to elaborate on this fact?

OKC has enough water and water rights to last for 100 years ..... anyone saying other wise is making stuff up ..

There’s zero reason to not be careful with the water (i.e. not water the streets), drought or not.

There's zero reason to attack those businesses for something which harms no one.

--of course, if you just washed your car, those hard water spots are pretty annoying.

OKC has enough water and water rights to last for 100 years ..... anyone saying other wise is making stuff up ..

won't argue with that. but that doesn't dispute the fact that if there is something we can do to prolong those resources, we should. i'm not saying that we should limit everything. but if there are some small steps we can take to prolong what we have, there is still no reason not to, regardless of how much we have in reserve.

won't argue with that. but that doesn't dispute the fact that if there is something we can do to prolong those resources, we should. i'm not saying that we should limit everything. but if there are some small steps we can take to prolong what we have, there is still no reason not to, regardless of how much we have in reserve.

That's not really how surface water works. We're using surface water in OKC, and with surface water, you either use it or send it downstream. So in essence, not using it is tantamount to committing waste as I don't know of any downstream users of OKC water who are reliant on OKC sending them water.

I'd change my tune if there was anyone talking about a multistate compact on water rights including the OKC rights, but no one is talking about doing that.

Very arguably, if you are the kind of person who truly enjoys turning on your water hose and watching a stream of water slowly go down the street into the sewer drain, not doing so is arguably wasteful.

won't argue with that. but that doesn't dispute the fact that if there is something we can do to prolong those resources, we should. i'm not saying that we should limit everything. but if there are some small steps we can take to prolong what we have, there is still no reason not to, regardless of how much we have in reserve.And just a matter of extra wear and tear on the water systems, extra chemicals the city has to buy, etc. for silly and easily reeled in over uses of water. Are we going to run out. No. But conservation can be about doing the smart things.

This thread convinced me that my daily 6-hour-long showers aren't actually wasteful. Phew, thank goodness!

This thread convinced me that my daily 6-hour-long showers aren't actually wasteful. Phew, thank goodness!Wow! I can imagine the prune effect! And now I want to unsee it!

I counted 7 hydrants open in my neighborhood last Saturday for at least 6 hours. Streets were flooded with water. There has been a small river of water running from around 43rd and Libby, south to 42nd street then west to the storm drain at 42nd and meridian for about 10 days now from what must be a leaking underground main. I saw hydrants all around Will Rogers park open for hours on Oct 19th. So much that people on Next Door were commenting about it. And I know they have to occasionally flush the lines but the hours of water coming out of multiple hydrants is huge compared to a few sprinkler heads watering the street. I'm sure these line flushes are occurring all over the city. every day.