There is a very long continuum between a no-water landscape and dumping thousands of gallons of water on your grass all summer long, often on 'cool weather' turf that has no business being planted in Oklahoma.

Speaking of cool or warm weather grass. The guy that lived in the house to our east seeded with something a few years ago that is dark green all summer without watering at all. This hot spell is the first time I've ever seen brown spots. And it's spreading and taking over my Bermuda. I don't know what it is but I wish it would hurry and take over the rest of my yard.

And with a decent network of reservoirs and pumps, "all the wrong spots" is a completely fixable problem. Oklahoma simply (and I say simply and it is not simple at all) needs to figure out the issue of sovereign tribal rights to water. As I said years earlier in this thread, the concept of tribal sovereign rights to water under the Winters doctrine only permitted the tribes so much water rights as would be required ot irrigate the arable land in their territory. In much of eastern Oklahoma, additional irrigation is not always necessary as they have plenty of rainfall. And even if we allot them all of the water they need to irrigate their arable land, there's plenty of water left over for the State to appropriate.

All of this talk about xeriscaping and conservation is highly premature. As our water resources become better developed, it's not as if we can xeriscape our yard in OKC and then someone in Las Vegas can take a shower. We either use our water resources or they don't get used. I, for one, enjoy a thick, luscious stand of grass in my yard.

Seems to me the current organization of water rights is outdated. Water is a natural resource that should be governed based on what is best for the populous and not based on someone's "water rights", individual or tribal.

There is a very long continuum between a no-water landscape and dumping thousands of gallons of water on your grass all summer long, often on 'cool weather' turf that has no business being planted in Oklahoma.

I think a lot of people water yards not realizing what’s best or what they are doing. I for one have seeded a special grass that stays green but is more drought friendly so I just water somewhat heavily once a week in early morning and I still have a very green yard. But then I have neighbors who’s yards are mostly brown and they are watering nearly daily or every other day at 3pm and their yards are mostly brown. I think a lot of people have sprinklers set and don’t think anything about it or monitor them. I check mine almost monthly to ensure they are spraying correctly and not leaking or spraying out into street.
There is just lots of waste by people who water and don’t even have green yards or monitor what they are watering. .

I wish this was a new thread. The original dealt with a longer dry spell than we are currently experiencing. I drive by the east side of Lake Hefner on the parkway and it is obvious the water has not dropped at a problem level. I seek very little drop by the lighthouse and no dry shoreline by Stars and Stripes Park. 3 months of low rain is not a drought IMO.

I think a lot of people water yards not realizing what’s best or what they are doing. I for one have seeded a special grass that stays green but is more drought friendly so I just water somewhat heavily once a week in early morning and I still have a very green yard. But then I have neighbors who’s yards are mostly brown and they are watering nearly daily or every other day at 3pm and their yards are mostly brown. I think a lot of people have sprinklers set and don’t think anything about it or monitor them. I check mine almost monthly to ensure they are spraying correctly and not leaking or spraying out into street.
There is just lots of waste by people who water and don’t even have green yards or monitor what they are watering. .

What kind of grass did you seed with? Did you oversee Bermuda and have it take over? Thanks.

I think a lot of people water yards not realizing what’s best or what they are doing. I for one have seeded a special grass that stays green but is more drought friendly so I just water somewhat heavily once a week in early morning and I still have a very green yard. But then I have neighbors who’s yards are mostly brown and they are watering nearly daily or every other day at 3pm and their yards are mostly brown. I think a lot of people have sprinklers set and don’t think anything about it or monitor them. I check mine almost monthly to ensure they are spraying correctly and not leaking or spraying out into street.
There is just lots of waste by people who water and don’t even have green yards or monitor what they are watering. .

This kills me. When all the homes are built in my neighborhood, Taber uses the same sprinkler setup for them, which defaults to like a 9am time. So 9am rolls around and a bunch of houses start watering. I sit there and think, most of that is about to evaporate before it even makes it in to the soil. But like you said, they don't bother to check it. Mine runs for a short 5-10 minutes in each zone at 9PM. It's often still fairly wet in some areas the next morning when i go to mow. So it doesn't really get much water, but it's at the right time of day for it to soak in before it all boils off. My grass is quite green. It's slower growing right now because of the heat, but i'm not complaining. If you water too much, it also causes the roots to shorten because they dont have to reach as far for water. Drought hits, the upper soil dries out, and your grass goes dormant. Overwatering is actually BAD for your yard!!!

People often over mow when its hot too. Really every other week is about as much as you should. The weekly mowing in drought conditions promotes the browning. My neighbor has his lawn mowed by a service each week and its getting those large dormant splotches in it now. His yard waters at the same time as mine. Only difference is that mine gets mowed half as often.

You just have to put some thought into things and adjust those sprinkler times. Just because you have one, doesn't make you evil and water hogging. You just have to use it wisely. It can actually really help if you use it properly.

Anyone is more than welcome to fact check the following statement but the top two biggest uses of water in the U.S. are for agriculture and electricity.

Those are the two biggest things we need to live today. For Plu Pan who keeps bringing up agricultural usage and wanting to tamp that down (presumably), please offer an alternative? Are you going to simply shut those farms down? Kick the farmers to the road so billionaire Bill Gates can go and buy up the land (not a conspiracy, he is now considered the largest farmland owner in the U.S.) instead? What happens to that family? What happens to that part of the food supply?

I'm not necessarily arguing or defending but these are some legitimate questions that aren't easily answered.

As for some of the other things mentioned, I asked in another thread how many new reservoirs have been built in the U.S. in the last 40 years? My guess is less than 10. Meanwhile, the population continues to grow and we continue to let some hundreds of thousands across the borders every year that only exacerbates the ongoing issues. I'm all for immigration but the fact is people need water. More people need more water. The infrastructure needs to be there and it isn't.

Talking about xeriscaping and all of that is great. Will it help a little? Sure, but probably not quite as much as we would hope. I still think we need to start looking at the "ideal green lawn" and its usage compared to other alternatives.

If you water too much, it also causes the roots to shorten because they dont have to reach as far for water. Drought hits, the upper soil dries out, and your grass goes dormant. Overwatering is actually BAD for your yard!!!

Overwatering is only bad in the fact that you have overwatered. Bermuda grass roots will grow up to 2' into the ground if watered deeply.... That's exactly why it is such a drought tolerant grass.

Watering it shallow and mowing it to short is the biggest problem most people have with their bermuda going dormant.

My yard certainly isn't green. In the back, it's mostly gone dormant. In the front, I've been a little more agressive. This time of year, you should raise your mowing deck. If it will get down into the high 70's/low 80's for a few days, you need to do your Fall fertilization. I have what I think is a pretty neat controller box that was a pretty cheap/simple upgrade from my old RainBird controller box.

Check into the Rachio systems. They do some pretty cool things like interval watering where they'll water for 7 minutes, shut off for a bit to let it soak in, then start again. They have some decent conservation features such as being hooked into local weather networks to know when the wind/precipitation make watering pointless.

My thing here is that there are folks treating folks who keep nice lawns as if we are wasteful. If there was some small chance that the OKC metro was going to completely run out of water, I'd say you had a point. But since that isn't happening, and the only thing at risk is the water level at Lake Canton, which in this heat is probably not seeing a lot of business anyhow, goes down a bit, that's a risk I'm willing to live with.

My yard certainly isn't green. In the back, it's mostly gone dormant. In the front, I've been a little more agressive. This time of year, you should raise your mowing deck. ...

I've been told by a greenskeeper for multiple country clubs (and read online also) that for Bermuda, you should start at your lowest notch (1.25" for me), and raise it a notch on Memorial Day, another on Independence Day, and again for the last time on Labor Day.

I've been told by a greenskeeper for multiple country clubs (and read online also) that for Bermuda, you should start at your lowest notch (1.25" for me), and raise it a notch on Memorial Day, another on Independence Day, and again for the last time on Labor Day.

I like the process of using the holidays to know when to change the deck height... I mow mine like this but raise the deck quicker.... And I've always mowed my bermuda at 3" by the time summer heat hits to help shade the roots and slow evaporation.

I turned my last lawn, in Moore, from a dandelion patch, when I bought it, to the nicest yard in the neighborhood in 3 seasons.

I've turned 5 acres of weeds and Johnson grass at my farm in to thick bermuda doing the same and it only gets watered by mother nature..... It is dormant now since it's been 60 days since we had over .25" of rain there but it will snap right back when this drought ends.

I've been told by a greenskeeper for multiple country clubs (and read online also) that for Bermuda, you should start at your lowest notch (1.25" for me), and raise it a notch on Memorial Day, another on Independence Day, and again for the last time on Labor Day.

I love that. There's a lot of great collective knowledge here. I'm going to start a thread on lawn care. I bought a house in Edmond on a 1/3 acre lot. We were covered in all kinds of native plants, and in the first season went through a great deal of roundup just getting things right. This second season has been okay, but the heat has been oppressive. I have no idea if my irrigation coverage is acceptable or if anything I'm doing is right. I've got my deck set pretty high right now and am only mowing about once per week. I haven't been able to fertilize since May because of the heat.

There is a very long continuum between a no-water landscape and dumping thousands of gallons of water on your grass all summer long, often on 'cool weather' turf that has no business being planted in Oklahoma.

Agreed here. Bermuda is a fantastic grass. Tough, tolerant, doesn't need much water.

I like a nice lawn because it's where my kids play almost all day.

We've had 9 years of great rainfall. Weather isn't linear

Anyone is more than welcome to fact check the following statement but the top two biggest uses of water in the U.S. are for agriculture and electricity.

Those are the two biggest things we need to live today. For Plu Pan who keeps bringing up agricultural usage and wanting to tamp that down (presumably), please offer an alternative? Are you going to simply shut those farms down? Kick the farmers to the road so billionaire Bill Gates can go and buy up the land (not a conspiracy, he is now considered the largest farmland owner in the U.S.) instead? What happens to that family? What happens to that part of the food supply?

I'm not necessarily arguing or defending but these are some legitimate questions that aren't easily answered.

As for some of the other things mentioned, I asked in another thread how many new reservoirs have been built in the U.S. in the last 40 years? My guess is less than 10. Meanwhile, the population continues to grow and we continue to let some hundreds of thousands across the borders every year that only exacerbates the ongoing issues. I'm all for immigration but the fact is people need water. More people need more water. The infrastructure needs to be there and it isn't.

Talking about xeriscaping and all of that is great. Will it help a little? Sure, but probably not quite as much as we would hope. I still think we need to start looking at the "ideal green lawn" and its usage compared to other alternatives.

This is basically what I said before. What you DO have control over, is what you buy. That's how you can exercise controls here. We, the consumers, created the problem and the best, so we also have a responsiblity in fixing this. So here is what you can do with just a few examples.

Almonds - Well, buy as few as possible. They are a high high high water user and are mostly grown in areas of California that only exist as farmland, because of irrigation. Almond milk....hello. This is a HUGE consumer water user that can easily be adjusted by buying alternatives that do not require so much water in their cycle.

Avacados - pay attention to where they are grown. Haas from Mexico may not be available year round, but they dont require the same irrigation, again that the items grown in CA do. This really stretches to other items that we buy year-round, but require an immense amount of effort to make them be available year round. It's not just water, but the whole carbon cycle.

We can't just tell California that they can't have water anymore. We'd run out of food. The area fed off the Colorado obviously is not going to be able to sustain the basin like it once could. If you want water, you're going to have to start paying for it to be desalinated and piped in. That means that you, the consumer, is also going to have the cost of that passed on to you. So again, you decide how that goes based on your spending. If you're ok with paying $3 more for a carton of Almond Milk, then great, problem solved. If not, then you as the consumer, have to help decide how you are going to help the problem. And just saying you're going to cut it off, is not going to help.

This is basically what I said before. What you DO have control over, is what you buy. That's how you can exercise controls here. We, the consumers, created the problem and the best, so we also have a responsiblity in fixing this. So here is what you can do with just a few examples.

Almonds - Well, buy as few as possible. They are a high high high water user and are mostly grown in areas of California that only exist as farmland, because of irrigation. Almond milk....hello. This is a HUGE consumer water user that can easily be adjusted by buying alternatives that do not require so much water in their cycle.

Avacados - pay attention to where they are grown. Haas from Mexico may not be available year round, but they dont require the same irrigation, again that the items grown in CA do. This really stretches to other items that we buy year-round, but require an immense amount of effort to make them be available year round. It's not just water, but the whole carbon cycle.

We can't just tell California that they can't have water anymore. We'd run out of food. The area fed off the Colorado obviously is not going to be able to sustain the basin like it once could. If you want water, you're going to have to start paying for it to be desalinated and piped in. That means that you, the consumer, is also going to have the cost of that passed on to you. So again, you decide how that goes based on your spending. If you're ok with paying $3 more for a carton of Almond Milk, then great, problem solved. If not, then you as the consumer, have to help decide how you are going to help the problem. And just saying you're going to cut it off, is not going to help.

Sticky situation with Avocados... Do you continue to exacerbate the water issue in CA, or do you keep money flowing to the Avocado cartell in Mexico... Who knows what the better decision is... But if there is not a bigger digression from the original point of this thread is, then I don't know what is.

Press release:

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City officials request water release from Canton Lake to meet Central Oklahoma drinking water needs
08/11/2022

Utilities officials with the City of Oklahoma City are working with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) to draw water from Lake Canton in northwest Oklahoma. The water is needed to help increase water levels at Lake Hefner, which serves as a primary drinking water source for the City of Oklahoma City. All total, Oklahoma City supplies about 1.4 million residents in Central Oklahoma with treated drinking water.

This summer’s excessive heat and dry weather have caused water levels at Lake Hefner to drop by about four feet, according to Utilities engineers. The release will lower Lake Canton about two feet and raise Hefner’s water level an equal amount. The drop in lake level is not expected to affect Canton wildlife or recreational activities.

The release will begin today. The water will be emptied into the North Canadian River before making its way to Lake Hefner. Local officials anticipate the water will begin arriving in Lake Hefner within about three days of its release.

“We don’t take this decision lightly, which is why we work to plan the release so we can minimize impacts as much as possible,” said Chris Browning, Utilities Director, and General Manager for the Oklahoma City Water Utilities Trust.

Browning and other Utilities staff met with officials from the Oklahoma Water Resources Board, Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and the Canton Lake Advisory Committee to carefully plan the release.

This will mark the first time Oklahoma City has had to pull water from Lake Canton since 2013.

Seems like when they did it in 2013; dumped water into a dry riverbed and it never made it here. Lake is currently dropping one foot a week. They'd have better luck scheduling it with the rain next week.

I'd like to know when they built the dam; did they scrape the lake bottom down to bed rock?

At some point due to increased water usage as the city grows; they need to heavily look into and consider keeping the lake an extra foot or two or three more full then they do in the spring time. When it's really full currently; Stars and Stripes park is most affected but that can be remedied.

Also even dredge it down to bed rock. Arcadia is eventually going to silt in like Overholser did.

I believe the concern with dredging it is damaging the filtration/pump station as it is not designed to filter a massive influx of debris.

It could probably be done, but would be very expensive and/or disruptive to the city’s water supply to allow for settling.

Years ago one time they were releasing water from Canton I went to Hefner at the spot where the water enters the lake from the canal. There were quite a few people there bow and arrow fishing for carp. They were leaving with garbage cans full of carp.

I'd like to know if they can open the dam in such a way to flush out the silt and sediment that collects at the base of the dam. It would also be extremely interesting to know more about the construction details when they made that tunnel for the canal under the NW Expressway.

https://www.swt-wc.usace.army.mil/CANT.lakepage.html

I'd like to know if they can open the dam in such a way to flush out the silt and sediment that collects at the base of the dam. It would also be extremely interesting to know more about the construction details when they made that tunnel for the canal under the NW Expressway.

https://www.swt-wc.usace.army.mil/CANT.lakepage.html

That they have a silting problem implies it is not.

Silt is a problem for any dam. The only way to "do" anything about it is to dredge it out, or hope that when you open the gates, that it throws enough of it out too, to clear some out.

If they ever want Overholser to hold more water; they could dredge it out really deep. Get Dolese in there. Maybe that dirt is good for something?

They could make Draper hold more water by keeping it more full then they do. Same with Arcadia. You all have seen Arcadia after a big rain and it's 10 or 15 higher then normal. It still has like 40 feet to go before it goes over the spillway.

Yesterday after the water meeting; they opened 2 of the gates at Canton a half foot each and a 200 something cubic feet per second flow. Today they opened those gates to a full foot each and now cfs in the 400 range.

The water hasn't made it to Watonga. Don't know how they thought it would get here in 3 days.

If they ever want Overholser to hold more water; they could dredge it out really deep. Get Dolese in there. Maybe that dirt is good for something?

They could make Draper hold more water by keeping it more full then they do. Same with Arcadia. You all have seen Arcadia after a big rain and it's 10 or 15 higher then normal. It still has like 40 feet to go before it goes over the spillway.

Yesterday after the water meeting; they opened 2 of the gates at Canton a half foot each and a 200 something cubic feet per second flow. Today they opened those gates to a full foot each and now cfs in the 400 range.

The water hasn't made it to Watonga. Don't know how they thought it would get here in 3 days.

The city was in the process of starting some sort of evaluation of Overholser with Dolese if it would be economical remove the sand/whatever around the time I quit following the city meetings something like 2-4 years ago, so I am not sure what the results were.

How deep is the lake? Is there any possible way to isolate the water of areas that can be dredged? Like some kind of underwater curtain.

Way out of my depth on this subject. Surely OKC is not the only place in the world where this issue has crept up?

If we're talking about Overholser:

Average depth 6 ft (1.8 m)
Max. depth 13 ft (4.0 m)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Overholser

The river actually passes beside the lake and they have to close the dam so the water backs up and rises high enough to get over the concrete curb on the north end that seems like an attempt to keep the sediment out. Does anyone know around when that north curb was installed?

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If we're talking about Overholser:

Average depth 6 ft (1.8 m)
Max. depth 13 ft (4.0 m)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Overholser

The river actually passes beside the lake and they have to close the dam so the water backs up and rises high enough to get over the concrete curb on the north end that seems like an attempt to keep the sediment out. Does anyone know around when that north curb was installed?

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It looks like it is in all the historic sat photos in Google Earth, so at least mid eighties. Given that I would not be shocked if it dates back to the original construction, it should have been easier to build before the lake was created.

Looks like the water has arrived at Watonga:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07239300/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

My father fished off the curb in the early sixties. It has been there since I was a tot.

My father fished off the curb in the early sixties. It has been there since I was a tot.Dad and I fished all over the river in the early 60s and I remember it being there. So I agree.

So it was originally going to be 10,500 acre feet released. Now 8,000. Gates open for 9 days then closed.

Unless the city is aggressive with the locks on 39th street; not much is going to get in Hefner.

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/427134/water-releases-canton-lake-resume-okc-drinking-water-supply

The water just got to Calumet:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07239450/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

The water just got to Calumet:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07239450/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

When will it show up at Hefner, Thursday?

Waiting on it to get to El Reno, then Yukon.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07239500/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

Why is OKC getting water from western Oklahoma where it's dry instead of eastern Oklahoma?

Why is OKC getting water from western Oklahoma where it's dry instead of eastern Oklahoma?

This may be a stupid answer but I am fairly sure it's because that's the direction the land slopes.

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This may be a stupid answer but I am fairly sure it's because that's the direction the land slopes.

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That's what it is. As you go west, you're gaining in elevation. The far western panhandle is borderline foothills of the Rockies

When will it show up at Hefner, Thursday?


Maybe if they increase the flow or the water path has more of an elevation drop. It's moving in slow motion right now. I'm sure the dry sandy banks are soaking it up.

Looks like maybe it just made it to El Reno. Seems the equipment is having an issue:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07239500/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

Why is OKC getting water from western Oklahoma where it's dry instead of eastern Oklahoma?

It does get water from the east too, but the full capacity of the existing pipeline to Atoka pretty much already is needed for normal use, so spare capacity needs to come from the North Canadian river which runs eastbound. The city has already purchased the water rights of another lake in the east and are building another pipeline to that area, but it is going to be years before that new pipe is operational.

Plus while the Hefner and Draper plants produce most of the normal water supply, they bring on the old Overholser plant when needed for peaks in the summer.

The cities need to do a better job of enforcing lawn watering restrictions.

Almost nobody pays any attention the mandatory even/odd conservation plan that is now in place. The same plan is in effect in OKC, Edmond, Norman, Yukon, Mustang and Deer Creek.




We are not low on water because people are drinking it.

The primary propose of the even/odd schedule is to even out loads on the distribution infrastructure. It does nothing to limit the amount of water someone can dump onto their lawn.

Oklahoma like every other state downstream of Colorado need to realize we are having drier, shorter, and warmer winters and sporadic, unreliable monsoon cycles. Our snowpack can’t sustain all of these states downstream of us forever at current usages when taking into account less snowpack, faster melt times, and drier summers of our own.

Even if lawn usage accounts for 3% of Oklahoma water usage (I don’t buy that number given our lack of heavy industry and aquifer fed farming) , every drop really does matter. Most of the water in the southwestern part of the country comes from Colorado. Even Tulsa’s Arkansas river comes from Colorado headwaters. We have strict water restrictions of our so we can pass on water downstream. It sucks for Colorado to have to make sacrifices just to watch users downstream waste it away.

The vast vast majority of the water coming through Oklahoma does not start it's life in Colorado. Most of it starts in Oklahoma or Southern Kansas.

The vast vast majority of the water coming through Oklahoma does not start it's life in Colorado. Most of it starts in Oklahoma or Southern Kansas.

Yeah, so much so that they built the infrastructure to have a lake upstream of Canton in the panhandle, it basically failed as the river has such little flow it never could retain enough water to be a permanent lake. Though I guess it does still help with flash flood management along the river.

I have heard some speculation it is at least in part related to depletion of the Ogallala aquifer from the time they did the initial planning on that, but am not sure if what I heard was more a scientific fact or rumor/speculation.

Oklahoma like every other state downstream of Colorado need to realize we are having drier, shorter, and warmer winters and sporadic, unreliable monsoon cycles. Our snowpack can’t sustain all of these states downstream of us forever at current usages when taking into account less snowpack, faster melt times, and drier summers of our own.

Even if lawn usage accounts for 3% of Oklahoma water usage (I don’t buy that number given our lack of heavy industry and aquifer fed farming) , every drop really does matter. Most of the water in the southwestern part of the country comes from Colorado. Even Tulsa’s Arkansas river comes from Colorado headwaters. We have strict water restrictions of our so we can pass on water downstream. It sucks for Colorado to have to make sacrifices just to watch users downstream waste it away.
Cry me a river(pun intended). Seriously though do Coloradans use less water than other states? If not then shut it. We all get our water from somewhere and being from one of those places doesn’t(shouldn’t) give you the right to tell others to reduce their usage.

Yeah, so much so that they built the infrastructure to have a lake upstream of Canton in the panhandle, it basically failed as the river has such little flow it never could retain enough water to be a permanent lake. Though I guess it does still help with flash flood management along the river.

I have heard some speculation it is at least in part related to depletion of the Ogallala aquifer from the time they did the initial planning on that, but am not sure if what I heard was more a scientific fact or rumor/speculation.

You are thinking about Lake Meredith, not Canton: https://www.swt-wc.usace.army.mil/MERE.lakepage.html The river going into was spring fed, when everyone started sucking the water out the aquifer, the springs dried up.

You are thinking about Lake Meredith, not Canton: https://www.swt-wc.usace.army.mil/MERE.lakepage.html The river going into was spring fed, when everyone started sucking the water out the aquifer, the springs dried up.

I am thinking of 'Lake' Optima, which is in the Oklahoma panhandle, while Meredith has had it's issues, it actually had some time it seemed like it was going to work after construction.

https://dashboard.waterdata.usgs.gov/api/gwis/2.0/service/site?agencyCode=USGS&siteNumber=07239700&open=112444

Looks like it has gotten to Yukon. Not quite to Hefner yet by the data perspective.

If anyone lives out that way; drive up highway 4 by the Express Ranch and see what the river flow looks like from the bridge.

https://goo.gl/maps/jJtV7BARDzmuqXuq5

Does anyone have any leads as to the history of the Canadian River, outside of Wikipedia and the top returns on Google. When looking at Google Maps the Canadian River looks like it used to be a rather wide river, but I haven't seen any photos that show it much larger than a thin creek in most places.

Does anyone have any leads as to the history of the Canadian River, outside of Wikipedia and the top returns on Google. When looking at Google Maps the Canadian River looks like it used to be a rather wide river, but I haven't seen any photos that show it much larger than a thin creek in most places.

There are some tidbits of river history peppered in this entry on Doug Dawgz page http://dougdawg.blogspot.com/2013/02/sandtown-circa-1884.html?m=1

Cry me a river(pun intended). Seriously though do Coloradans use less water than other states? If not then shut it. We all get our water from somewhere and being from one of those places doesn’t(shouldn’t) give you the right to tell others to reduce their usage.

Why the hostility? It’s a resource shared by everybody. It is finite.

The vast vast majority of the water coming through Oklahoma does not start it's life in Colorado. Most of it starts in Oklahoma or Southern Kansas.

Correct. Hence why I said southwestern and made the distinction of the Arkansas river which flows through Tulsa . It was a general statement on being resourceful. I could have made my post more clear.

If anyone lives out that way; drive up highway 4 by the Express Ranch and see what the river flow looks like from the bridge.

https://goo.gl/maps/jJtV7BARDzmuqXuq5

I will run by there after work.

Actually went by Hefner and there was a small stream of water starting to com over the ledge. I don't know why, but this has been fun to track!

How boujee or what?
https://kfor.com/news/local/water-theft-investigation-at-new-luxury-neighborhood/

Why the hostility? It’s a resource shared by everybody. It is finite.
I wasn’t being serious sorry haha. I should have added /s. Humor is lost on the internet. I agree with you! :)

How boujee or what?
https://kfor.com/news/local/water-theft-investigation-at-new-luxury-neighborhood/

What neighborhood? I don't care to wait until the 10pm news to hear about it. Just tell me darn it!! Haha

It appears the water is now at the locks. It really picked up speed after it got to El Reno.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07240200/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

They opened the canal! I was wondering if they would today.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07240000/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

They opened the canal! I was wondering if they would today.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/07240000/#parameterCode=00065&period=P7D

Alright, going to douse the lawn for a few hours during this rain, thanks for your sacrifices lake canton!

#CitySlickers