Additionally Ft Supply is extremely shallow. Less than 12 foot deep in most parts of the lake.

While that is true a very large part of the Canton Lake watershed had been cut do to the low level of Fort Supply Lake. There is now the opportunity with good rain for that part of the watershed to contribute to Canton Lake regardless of how small or large Fort Supply lake is. Let’s just hope we don’t have to wait until this fall to see it start helping. I have seen the river well above flood stage near Woodward so I know that a quick recovery can happen.

Midtowner: No, not for real, I know that isn't feasible...but it would be nice if we could:hobbes:

I'm not sure you do... and you're not even the first person in this long and strange thread to suggest it. I just finally decided to do the math.

Mid: LOL...didn't someone mention that we trucked water to New York when they were having a drought during the Worlds Fair to keep our exhibit lush and green? I know there is a economy of scale makes it unworkable...maybe load those tankers onto trains...LOL

I know I read that they put off releasing the water as long as they thought they could, hoping to get rain, and esp get some rain so the released water wouldn't all soak into the riverbed and be lost (since it isn't delivered thru a pipeline)...hindsight is 20/20 and all that, just too bad they couldn't have waited a bit longer for the folks in Canton that depend on that lake for their livelihood.

Mid: LOL...didn't someone mention that we trucked water to New York when they were having a drought during the Worlds Fair to keep our exhibit lush and green? I know there is a economy of scale makes it unworkable...maybe load those tankers onto trains...LOL


That's a little different than trucking 25,000 acre feet or so, sport.

Wow...I understand that...thought that was perfectly clear

It is now :)

U.S. Supreme Court sides with Oklahoma in water case | News OK (http://newsok.com/u.s.-supreme-court-sides-with-oklahoma-in-water-case/article/3846183)

WASHINGTON --Texas is not entitled to take water from Oklahoma without the state's consent, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously on Thursday.

The decision is a major victory for Oklahoma, which has sought to prevent out-of-state water sales, and ends a long-running legal battle with a Texas state agency that provides water to several communities in north central Texas, including Fort Worth.

U.S. Supreme Court sides with Oklahoma in water case | News OK (http://newsok.com/u.s.-supreme-court-sides-with-oklahoma-in-water-case/article/3846183)

WASHINGTON --Texas is not entitled to take water from Oklahoma without the state's consent, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously on Thursday.

The decision is a major victory for Oklahoma, which has sought to prevent out-of-state water sales, and ends a long-running legal battle with a Texas state agency that provides water to several communities in north central Texas, including Fort Worth.

OKC has all the water it will ever need. All they need to do is pipe it in.
Texas can eat our dust!

OKC has all the water it will ever need. All they need to do is pipe it in.
Texas can eat our dust!

Maybe not yet. Isn't this still an issue?

Oklahoma City - Oklahoma Water Rights (http://www.okc.gov/waterrights/faq.html)

Maybe not yet. Isn't this still an issue?

Oklahoma City - Oklahoma Water Rights (http://www.okc.gov/waterrights/faq.html)

The Capitol City of the state of Oklahoma will get the water it needs in the future. I would bet every cent I had on it. The tribes do not own the water they are trying to lay claim to.

The Capitol City of the state of Oklahoma will get the water it needs in the future. I would bet every cent I had on it. The tribes do not own the water they are trying to lay claim to.

You may be right but it's not as cut and dried as you implied.

Meanwhile - back at the farm...

Residents asked to stop outdoor watering in Oklahoma Panhandle | News OK (http://newsok.com/residents-asked-to-stop-outdoor-watering-in-oklahoma-panhandle/article/3847607)

If you'd RTA, you'd see Guymon's problems had zip to do with a water shortage and were because of pump failures.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/fxc/oun/graphicast/image7.jpg (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/graphicast.php?site=oun&gc=7)

If you'd RTA, you'd see Guymon's problems had zip to do with a water shortage and were because of pump failures.

I did read the article - where did I claim it was because of a water shortage. The fact remains that Guymon is the 4th year of a drought (in the article) and they just now told people not to water outside. I wonder why the pump failed.

When I lived in Guymon the water was very cheap, so was the natural gas.
Guymon has very high quality water that they draw from the Ogallala aquifer. Any town can have the type of water problem they are having.

Many years ago the aquifer spring fed streams and small rivers that would have helped keep Canton Lake and other lakes full. But agricultural use has depleted this ancient source of water. At some point in the next 50 years farming with this water will become unpractical. I have read that some 20% of our nation’s agricultural production is grown with Ogallala aquifer water.

Please excuse this post, it only applies to one, and he will know who he is.

If you want to say something to me, say it publicly in an open forum. I have NO FEAR, I repeat NO FEAR of you. Soon, I will know who you are.

Thank you for your patience, and please forgive the intrusion.

It rained today, so I thought I might post in this thread.

I'm glad it rained there. Please do not take my previous post personally.

I drove through the panhandle last week (Denver to Midland and back on Monday and Thursday) and saw a what looked like a water pipeline being put in along US-287 and the railroad tracks in Texas and Oklahoma. SE Colorado is very dry but had some rain on Thursday evening.

I have heard rumors of a water pipeline, but my understanding was it was existing, being converted to water. An oilfield thing.

This looked to be new as the pipe was laying on the ground and trenching equipment was on site, there are many miles of it waiting to be buried. I know Boone Pickens was trying to get water down from further north to the DFW area, not sure if this had anything to do with this project or not.

My understanding, is the water is coming from the east.

This is rumors only.

When I lived in Guymon the water was very cheap, so was the natural gas.
Guymon has very high quality water that they draw from the Ogallala aquifer. Any town can have the type of water problem they are having.

Many years ago the aquifer spring fed streams and small rivers that would have helped keep Canton Lake and other lakes full. But agricultural use has depleted this ancient source of water. At some point in the next 50 years farming with this water will become unpractical. I have read that some 20% of our nation’s agricultural production is grown with Ogallala aquifer water.

Did the hog farms contribute to the decline of the aquifer, or is it the production of corn for ethanol?

I'm glad it rained there. Please do not take my previous post personally.

Why would I?

Are you threatening someone on the internet?

Who and with what?

My understanding, is the water is coming from the east.

If it is a water pipe along US-287, it is probably not intended for any towns in Oklahoma, Boise City would be the only one very close anyway.

No, I am not. I didn't mean anything.

If it is a water pipe along US-287, it is probably not intended for any towns in Oklahoma, Boise City would be the only one very close anyway.
It extends into Texas, I think it is just passing through Oklahoma. I'll see how far it extends into Oklahoma tomorrow as I make the drive to West Texas again.

Those dependent on Lake Meredith are very thirsty.

It extends into Texas, I think it is just passing through Oklahoma. I'll see how far it extends into Oklahoma tomorrow as I make the drive to West Texas again.

Well if it is passing through Ok then why can't the state just go ahead and tap into the pipe and send it on over to canton lake? That way Canton has an endless supply on TBoones dime and everyone's happy,except Tboone.

Those dependent on Lake Meredith are very thirsty.

Lake Meredith is worse of a bust for the Texas panhandle than Canton is for NW Oklahoma. I hope NW Oklahoma gets lots of rain tomorrow and overnight into Monday morning.

Lake Meredith is worse of a bust for the Texas panhandle than Canton is for NW Oklahoma. I hope NW Oklahoma gets lots of rain tomorrow and overnight into Monday morning.

Speaking of busts, apparently a solution has been found for Oklahoma's bust of a 'Lake', rebranding. Lake Optima is now Optima National Wildlife Refuge.

Please excuse this post, it only applies to one, and he will know who he is.

If you want to say something to me, say it publicly in an open forum. I have NO FEAR, I repeat NO FEAR of you. Soon, I will know who you are.

Thank you for your patience, and please forgive the intrusion.


No, I am not. I didn't mean anything.

Then what the hell did you mean by this?

It sounds like a threat to me.

You then said I shouldn't take it personally... well, when someone makes threats like that, I think that's cause for concern and an indication I might be dealing with a slightly imbalanced individual.

Please explain this to me.

It read to me like a threat as well. The suggestion that he would know someone's identity soon was also creepy and threatening.

Being that I'm one of the thirsty citizens dependent on Lake Meredith - which really shouldn't even be called a lake - I'm concerned about the lack of attention on water conservation in the Texas Panhandle communities. I think many people will eventually leave the Panhandle, particularly Amarillo, for greener pastures.

... well, when someone makes threats like that, I think that's cause for concern and an indication I might be dealing with a slightly imbalanced individual....

You're just now catching on to that? :Smiley112

You're just now catching on to that? :Smiley112

The threat was made to me.

The threat was made to me.

Law - that isn't how it works on this board. If you've got a problem with another member and can't resolve it in the open, then take it to a PM. If that doesn't work then bring in a moderator or the owner. Veiled threats directed in the open to an unnamed member in an unrelated thread may be how it's done elsewhere, but not here.

I haven't received a response from the admin yet.

A thread about freaking lake levels has come to this? Who woulda thunk it

What size & type of pipe are we talking here?

A thread about freaking lake levels has come to this? Who woulda thunk it


The Canton lake area is getting some rain today so maybe that will calm things down a little. Lake should be full soon.

The Canton lake area is getting some rain today so maybe that will calm things down a little. Lake should be full soon.

Sure wish the last part of that statement would come true.... Sadly, it would take a rain of massive proportions to make that happen. We just keeping getting minor rains and the ground keeps drying out so bad between them that it is soaking in most of the potential run off. Canton lake just isn't rising much at all. It's still in grave danger of being a total loss as far as a fish kill. The algae has already started to bloom. With the intense heat that is sure to come this summer and the 5 ft. or better of evaporation the lake usually has, the future of Canton Lake looks pretty sad.

I am honestly glad that all the lakes in the metro area are full. That should provide enough water to get the residents there through what will likely be another hot, dry OK summer. I'm not sure what will happen after that for those in NW OKC dependent on Canton Lake water as their supplemental water supply, if we don't catch some major rains out here soon.

A pretty good storm moved through here during the night last night that dropped some heavy rains at my house for a brief period, not sure how much fell or how large spread the storms were yet. Hopefully it covered a large area to the NW of here that will run off into the river feeding Canton lake.

I just wish the Metro lakes had been full earlier in the spring and that the release from Canton had never been needed or could have at least been put off to see how much rain would fall. That would have given Canton lake a fighting chance to make it through summer in good health. As it looks now, that isn't going to be the case.

I think the totals from the gauging stations now show that there has been about enough water released from Overholser and sent on down the river, to equal the amount that was taken from Canton in the last release. I know hind sight is 20/20 but all we did was ask Marsha Slaughter to wait for spring rains.... would have been nice if it could have worked out that way.

We should fill Canton with Fracing waste water. Everyone says its safe and it would help bring your lake levels back up for recreation!

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We should fill Canton with Fracing waste water. Everyone says its safe and it would help bring your lake levels back up for recreation!

Nah - but maybe send it directly to a people who act as apologists for the industry when something goes wrong with a well or pipeline. After all, ADM Rickover was so sure of the safety of naval reactors he took a drink of primary coolant water. Maybe the frack fans should do the same?

Back to topic, did the Canton area receive a decent amount of rain in the last week or so?

Crossed the N. Canadian (ie 'Beaver' or 'Oklahoma' river depending on where you are) well north of Canton Res. and it was small, but flowing. This means the channel is moist enough that excess water will go downstream instead of into the sand. Just north in Kansas - Dodge City to be exact - the Arkansas River was bone dry. Furthermore, from the dead cottonwoods and bike trails, it has been dry for years. Sand Rivers will often appear 'dry' as what moisture exsist is in the sand out of sight. You can tell these rivers still live by the growth of Cottonwood trees in their basin (S. Canadian in Norman). The Arkansas in Western Kansas is dead. There was rain last night in the N. Canadian basin just north of Canton - heavy for at least a couple of hours. Lets hope this helps Canton make it through the Summer, hopefully 'normal' fall rains can begin to refill.3840

At least our water tastes good. LOL

Oklahoma City water wins first place in national taste test competition | News OK (http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-water-wins-first-place-in-national-taste-test-competition/article/3854223)

ljbab728: And it isn't the first time we got the award. My dad used to work for the City in the Water Dept and I have a bottle of the winning stuff sitting at home. He told me then that it all depended on which reservoir you got your water from among other things.

Supposedly, that part of the Texas lawsuit the Supreme Court recently ruled in favor of Oklahoma on. The part of the water basin that Texas (Tarrant Water District) can access for their 1/4 of the the flowing water is not as desireable as the part that Oklahoma can access. The part they can access would take more work to make potable.

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A lot of state is out of drought? What do you consider a lot? Because according to this article, not even half of the state is out of drought (http://newsok.com/despite-recent-rains-drought-remains-in-much-of-oklahoma/article/3842619). Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand this situation. 53.45% of Oklahoma is still in moderate to exceptional drought. Sounds like a couple of weeks of rain in May hasn't helped more than half of our state. But carry on with declaring the drought over.

Things continue to improve...
Less than half of Oklahoma in drought | News OK (http://newsok.com/less-than-half-of-oklahoma-in-drought/article/3854930)


... U.S. Drought Monitor report shows Oklahoma will enter summer with less than half the state in drought. The report has 42.09 percent of Oklahoma in moderate to exceptional drought as of conditions monitored Tuesday. That is compared to 50.87 percent in last week’s report.

Things continue to improve...
Less than half of Oklahoma in drought | News OK (http://newsok.com/less-than-half-of-oklahoma-in-drought/article/3854930)

You might as well forget about that "continue to improve" part. Models aren't showing more than a half inch of rain through July 8th. Hopefully its wrong or we'll see drought conditions start to increase a pretty good clip again.

Hopefully the water restrictions in place will help get any further issues at bay...

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/fxc/oun/graphicast/image7.jpg

LOL! Those dependent on Hefner water should be at level 5, the ban on all outdoor water use, as Canton Lake is at 20.36%. Just sayin'.

LOL! Those dependent on Hefner water should be at level 5, the ban on all outdoor water use, as Canton Lake is at 20.36%. Just sayin'.
What color is the sky in your world?

What color is the sky in your world?

He/she does have a point. The rest of the city lakes and population is in good shape when it comes to water. But what is in Hefner is all that they will have for those dependent on Hefner water. There is no water upstream at the moment to refill Hefner, one dry summer would put Hefner at dangerous levels again. And it looks like we are entering a dry summer.

He/she does have a point. The rest of the city lakes and population is in good shape when it comes to water. But what is in Hefner is all that they will have for those dependent on Hefner water. There is no water upstream at the moment to refill Hefner, one dry summer would put Hefner at dangerous levels again. And it looks like we are entering a dry summer.

It's a case of our checking account being in great condition but our savings account a little too low for comfort.