^ Long overdue IMO.

Here is the problem I have with that statement - OKC has been under watering restrictions for several years which to me means that demand does outstrip supply. Now you can say, well that is because we have been in a multi-year drought, and that is probably correct but the questions is - is that the new normal? A second question is, was the data used to establish 'normal' flow done in years that were unusually wet, thus giving the illusion that more water is available than actually exists (this was the case with Lake Mead and Lake Powell)? The study you linked to was created in 1996 and one of the impetuses for it was the noticeable reduced stream flow. Notice that a reduction in stream flow was NOT a result of decreased rainfall in the basin.



I can only guess that since 1996 things have not improved.

I know from earlier statements you do not care for building pipelines and pumping water up but the plan is to do that over the next couple years (done either by 2015 or 2016) and create another local storage lake near Draper.

In the face of Global Warming and Climate Change (caused by sunspots, the juxtaposition of mars/mercury/jupiter, or whatever) conservation of drinkable water is a good thing. No matter how much it rained this/last month. On the bright side, apparently (within the context of the regulations) one can choose to stand there with a hose in their hand watering whatever they want to water whenever they want to. Some might choose to hand hose their herb garden . . . some might choose to hand hose their vegetable garden . . . some might choose to hose their shrubs . . . I pity the fool out there pissing away a valuable resource on his pet lawn.

Really? We're more worried about flooding right now than drought. 2012 called, it wants its chicken littles back.

Really? We're more worried about flooding right now than drought. 2012 called, it wants its chicken littles back.

We've been in a drought the past few years, and I think we are still forecast to be in a long term drought. These rain patterns will go away and it will be dry again.

Those same folks didn't think we'd have this rain.

It's naive to assume this pattern we are in will stick around long term. I have never seen this much rain before.

I know from earlier statements you do not care for building pipelines and pumping water up but the plan is to do that over the next couple years (done either by 2015 or 2016) and create another local storage lake near Draper.

That is what it comes down to right - do we want to have the level of taxation necessary to keep living the way we have been? If the answer is Yes then by all means let's stay on the same development track we have been on the last 60 years. If you think taxes are too high then we have to return to a less expensive way of developing and maintaining our cities.

Remember, not only do we need the current tax dollars to continue to support what is already built, we will need even more tax dollars to build the pipeline, and then the on going taxes to maintain it after it is done. It isn't like we build the new pipeline and lake, and close the old. Now we have to fund both. How long do you think that model can go on even if you wanted to do it?

That is what it comes down to right - do we want to have the level of taxation necessary to keep living the way we have been? If the answer is Yes then by all means let's stay on the same development track we have been on the last 60 years. If you think taxes are too high then we have to return to a less expensive way of developing and maintaining our cities.

Remember, not only do we need the current tax dollars to continue to support what is already built, we will need even more tax dollars to build the pipeline, and then the on going taxes to maintain it after it is done. It isn't like we build the new pipeline and lake, and close the old. Now we have to fund both. How long do you think that model can go on even if you wanted to do it?

clearly you don't live in okc .. we do have the level of taxation to keep living the way we are ... we have lots of water rights .. and we have a very conservative city budget ..

That is what it comes down to right - do we want to have the level of taxation necessary to keep living the way we have been? If the answer is Yes then by all means let's stay on the same development track we have been on the last 60 years. If you think taxes are too high then we have to return to a less expensive way of developing and maintaining our cities.

Remember, not only do we need the current tax dollars to continue to support what is already built, we will need even more tax dollars to build the pipeline, and then the on going taxes to maintain it after it is done. It isn't like we build the new pipeline and lake, and close the old. Now we have to fund both. How long do you think that model can go on even if you wanted to do it?


OKC just needs more storage capacity. There's plenty of water but there's not enough storage. It would be cheaper to take some of the open land NW of city and build another Lake Hefner #2.


Look at the amount of water that Overholser has been releasing the past few days. Another lake could be filled in no time with rains like these.

...and a distribution network for that new water. How much are dams and a few thousand acres of land going for these days?

...and a distribution network for that new water. How much are dams and a few thousand acres of land going for these days?

not very much in the grand scheme

Hickory Creek lake in Canton, GA which opened about 2 years ago, cost $100 million. The City of Canton, who built the dam, had to sell their water rights to it to pay the debt they incurred building it. We call that a lose-lose.

I have posted multiple times a link to the plan to keep OKC in the water for the next 50 years. It's out there. Google is your friend. Also, we have additional storage planned already. Try Googling for things before you simply assume you know better than the city officials who do this for a living and have in fact made all of their plans available for you on the internet for free.

clearly you don't live in okc .. we do have the level of taxation to keep living the way we are ... we have lots of water rights .. and we have a very conservative city budget ..
True but we don't have the needed infrastructure to get the water from there to here. The current pipeline doesn't have the capacity, so a new pipeline is going to have to be built from Sardis Lake to here and the number on that was estimated to be $2.36 BILLION. Granted other communities may share in that cost, but it is largely unfunded the last I read. That goes back to what JTF was saying, the money to pay for that is going to come from somewhere, and most likely thru higher taxes or fees.

As to the drought, it was reported a month or two ago in the Oklahoman and other media outlets that the drought was officially over (think we were then in the "exceptionally dry" or something similar category). Just got a mailer from OKC Utilities Dept urging water conservation to "beat this drought". What drought??? Aren't some City buildings flooded right now (that have never been flooded before)??? Don't know what Hefner or the other City reservoir levels are, but nearby Arcadia Lake is 10 FEET above normal??? Now that doesn't mean that drought can't return, but by the same token the drought probably isn't permanent either. There are cycles that weather patterns go thru.

True but we don't have the needed infrastructure to get the water from there to here. The current pipeline doesn't have the capacity, so a new pipeline is going to have to be built from Sardis Lake to here and the number on that was estimated to be $2.36 BILLION. Granted other communities may share in that cost, but it is largely unfunded the last I read. That goes back to what JTF was saying, the money to pay for that is going to come from somewhere, and most likely thru higher taxes or fees.

It's all going according to schedule except for the tribal litigation, but that'll either settle, or in my estimation, the tribes will be booted out of court with nothing. The $2.36 billion might seem like a big number, but it doesn't have to be paid all at once and the project will take awhile to complete anyhow. It will, however, mean lots of jobs for SE Oklahoma, so there's that.


As to the drought, it was reported a month or two ago in the Oklahoman and other media outlets that the drought was officially over (think we were then in the "exceptionally dry" or something similar category). Just got a mailer from OKC Utilities Dept urging water conservation to "beat this drought". What drought??? Aren't some City buildings flooded right now (that have never been flooded before)??? Don't know what Hefner or the other City reservoir levels are, but nearby Arcadia Lake is 10 FEET above normal??? Now that doesn't mean that drought can't return, but by the same token the drought probably isn't permanent either. There are cycles that weather patterns go thru.

I'm sure that mailer was approved a long time ago. Someone had to propose it, it had to be discussed, it had to be blessed by either the council or manager or whoever does that, it had to be designed and it had to be printed and mailed, no small feat. It probably has been in the system since around February, so don't read too much into it. Conservation doesn't hurt and watering your yard right now is kind of pointless. It's not hot and the ground is saturated.

It's still bad at Canton, but if OKC is getting water like it has been, we won't need Canton again for awhile.

I have posted multiple times a link to the plan to keep OKC in the water for the next 50 years. It's out there. Google is your friend. Also, we have additional storage planned already. Try Googling for things before you simply assume you know better than the city officials who do this for a living and have in fact made all of their plans available for you on the internet for free.

No one is doubting there is a plan. Anyhow, this conservation has gone full circle about 10 times so I will leave it with this.

That plan they have costs money so if people are fine with higher taxes to pay for it they came to the right place. However, if people want lower taxes then we need to develop our cities in a way that cost less.

Peace out.

No one is doubting there is a plan. Anyhow, this conservation has gone full circle about 10 times so I will leave it with this.

That plan they have costs money so if people are fine with higher taxes to pay for it they came to the right place. However, if people want lower taxes then we need to develop our cities in a way that cost less.

Peace out.

the plan they have doesn't involve higher taxes ... stop spreading false information

No one is doubting there is a plan. Anyhow, this conservation has gone full circle about 10 times so I will leave it with this.

That plan they have costs money so if people are fine with higher taxes to pay for it they came to the right place. However, if people want lower taxes then we need to develop our cities in a way that cost less.

Peace out.

Developing cities in a way that costs less should just be the standard practice. It wasn't for a long time, so now we're going to have to pay for that with higher fees.

However, this talk of we've gotten a foot of rain in May and the drought is over is just lunacy. We've gone years with below average rainfall and claiming that rains in 2013 have overcome all of that is stupid. People should be conserving water all of the time. There's no need to waste, particularly when we live in an area prone to severe droughts.

Now that doesn't mean that drought can't return, but by the same token the drought probably isn't permanent either. There are cycles that weather patterns go thru.

So . . . Let me get this straight . . . Are you a "climate change" denier? Or a "change in the weatherman"? =)

Me . . . Earlier today, I was out in the remains of the drought/hail/freeze/poison-dripping, shade denying tree ravaged front "yard" or whatever it is tossing around some "soil" to level it out a little, broadcasting some grass seed, and watering it in (manually, with a hose). It is part of my moderate xeriscaping plan . . . What is a truckload of sand going for these days (for paving stone underlayment)? How about a small load of that small river rock?

My pet lawn will be called, "Patches".
It will be like a genetically engineered hybrid between a hamster and a camel in term of water needs.

edited to add (ps):
although i am not really fond of oysters (raw or fried) i would go to this place simply because of their pioneering strides in the direction of xeriscaping. scroll down to Post #4.
http://www.okctalk.com/food-restaurants/34095-hillbillies-po-boy-oyster-bar-opening-june-5-2013-a.html

Mid: I work in the am a graphic designer & work in the printing industry and while there can be some delays as you described (as in the decision that leads to the policy being approved), often these types of mailers are fast tracked ...designed, approved, printed and mailed within weeks or even days. While I am not against conservation in general and practice it myself without government telling me to do so, to have "Mandatory Odd/Even Lawn Watering" in place as the "Normal" is absurd (language in quotes if from the City flyer/flier).

Also from the flier:

Oklahoma's lakes and reservoirs are still suffering from the drought. And when water levels are down, it's time to dive into action. Oklahoma City and surrounding communities have implemented Progressive Water Conservation Stages. Mandatory odd/even watering (Stage 1) is now permanently in effect.

Emphasis added. What about when water levels are up? By the same rational, they should suspend the mandatory rules.

RadMod: not a climate change denier, just that weather is always changing, but it also goes thru cycles that are sometimes years/or decades in duration.

Developing cities in a way that costs less should just be the standard practice. It wasn't for a long time, so now we're going to have to pay for that with higher fees.

However, this talk of we've gotten a foot of rain in May and the drought is over is just lunacy. We've gone years with below average rainfall and claiming that rains in 2013 have overcome all of that is stupid. People should be conserving water all of the time. There's no need to waste, particularly when we live in an area prone to severe droughts.

If memory serves from Ms. Slaughter's video linked quite a bit upthread, the average household in OKC uses less water than the average household in the nation. Sure, we can always do better. She spoke about the "discretionary use" water that we might capture a part of though conservation, rationing and the like as being somewhat small.

RadMod: not a climate change denier, just that weather is always changing, but it also goes thru cycles that are sometimes years/or decades in duration.

Exactly. It was a "trick" question. There is no perfect answer.
(if it's been extra dry for several years, then gets really wet, we still need to "conserve" water and use it rationally. right?)

(at least until Canton Lake is full to overflowing again)

(Dune . . . Stranger in a Strange Land . . . The Grapes of Wrath . . . =)

At Stars & Stripes Park this evening after work:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5445/8964723169_2ecec6be43_b.jpg

At least we can conserve water usage by not using these sprinklers right now!
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8539/8964726303_cfdc1648d4_b.jpg

I like long walks through the water
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8540/8964736043_12fb6e29cd_h.jpg

Enjoy it while is lasts Daffys'!
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/8965931946_dffc08a039_b.jpg

Exactly. It was a "trick" question. There is no perfect answer.
(if it's been extra dry for several years, then gets really wet, we still need to "conserve" water and use it rationally. right?)

(at least until Canton Lake is full to overflowing again)

(Dune . . . Stranger in a Strange Land . . . The Grapes of Wrath . . . =)

I grok that last line.

Developing cities in a way that costs less should just be the standard practice. It wasn't for a long time, so now we're going to have to pay for that with higher fees.

However, this talk of we've gotten a foot of rain in May and the drought is over is just lunacy. We've gone years with below average rainfall and claiming that rains in 2013 have overcome all of that is stupid. People should be conserving water all of the time. There's no need to waste, particularly when we live in an area prone to severe droughts.

No one is advocating doing away with water conservation but saying that the drought is not over is hardly correct. We are definitely not in a drought situation in much of Oklahoma, including the OKC area. This is from before our recent heavy rains.

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/DM_state.htm?OK,S

Much of the US is drought prone. I remember very well that New York was having a severe drought during the 1964 Worlds Fair in New York City. Oklahoma trucked water there to keep the Oklahoma exhibit nice and green.

http://www.nywf64.com/Image/oklahoma/okla06.jpg

I grok that last line.

Damn good book!

No one is advocating doing away with water conservation but saying that the drought is not over is hardly correct. We are definitely not in a drought situation in much of Oklahoma, including the OKC area. This is from before our recent heavy rains.

State Drought Monitor (http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/DM_state.htm?OK,S)

Much of the US is drought prone. I remember very well that New York was having a severe drought during the 1964 Worlds Fair in New York City. Oklahoma trucked water there to keep the Oklahoma exhibit nice and green.

http://www.nywf64.com/Image/oklahoma/okla06.jpg

Oh come on, man. We'll be right back in a drought just as soon as it heats up. You're part of the problem if you think that the drought just ends like that. We're talking about a problem YEARS in the making.

Odd and even watering days is just scheduling, not rationing. Canton has had little inflow, so the level has not changed very much. The biggest rains in western OK went to the South Canadian and Cimarron Rivers, not the North Canadian. If you overlay the mesonet 30 day rainfall map with the map of the Canton Lake drainage basin, you will see not much rainfall in the basin.

Latest drought monitor map. No surprise that there's significant improvement:

State Drought Monitor (http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/DM_state.htm?OK,S)

Odd and even watering days is just scheduling, not rationing. Canton has had little inflow, so the level has not changed very much. The biggest rains in western OK went to the South Canadian and Cimarron Rivers, not the North Canadian. If you overlay the mesonet 30 day rainfall map with the map of the Canton Lake drainage basin, you will see not much rainfall in the basin.

Canton Acre Feet on date

52105 on 12/25

24793 on 2/21 (-52.4%)

30931 on 04/10 (+24.8%/-40.6%)

34140 on 06/04 (+10.4%/+37.7%/-34.5%)

The conservation pool only has a little over 20,000 acre feet. You have no rights to the inactive pool. 5 ft will evaporate. Canton is at 1602.41.

Oh come on, man. We'll be right back in a drought just as soon as it heats up. You're part of the problem if you think that the drought just ends like that. We're talking about a problem YEARS in the making.

What a silly comment. The drought for a lot of the state is officially over which directly contradicts what you said. As for future drought conditions, that's always a possibility and I never said it wasn't. Maybe you don't understand how being in a drought is determined. It has nothing to do with how many years it took to get there.

What a silly comment. The drought for a lot of the state is officially over which directly contradicts what you said. As for future drought conditions, that's always a possibility and I never said it wasn't. Maybe you don't understand how being in a drought is determined. It has nothing to do with how many years it took to get there.

A lot of state is out of drought? What do you consider a lot? Because according to this article, not even half of the state is out of drought (http://newsok.com/despite-recent-rains-drought-remains-in-much-of-oklahoma/article/3842619). Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand this situation. 53.45% of Oklahoma is still in moderate to exceptional drought. Sounds like a couple of weeks of rain in May hasn't helped more than half of our state. But carry on with declaring the drought over.

Why are you guys fighting a deathmatch over water levels & drought characterizations?

For real. The lakes are full- time to water NW Expressway!

Why are you guys fighting a deathmatch over water levels & drought characterizations?

Cause this is the internet... this is some serious stuff. :boxing2:

A lot of state is out of drought? What do you consider a lot? Because according to this article, not even half of the state is out of drought (http://newsok.com/despite-recent-rains-drought-remains-in-much-of-oklahoma/article/3842619). Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand this situation. 53.45% of Oklahoma is still in moderate to exceptional drought. Sounds like a couple of weeks of rain in May hasn't helped more than half of our state. But carry on with declaring the drought over.

Howzat work out by population?

Howzat work out by population?

I honestly don't know. I'd imagine since OKC and Tulsa aren't in those areas still in drought, then it's got to be minimal. I'll try to research this and come back with some figures.

I honestly don't know. I'd imagine since OKC and Tulsa aren't in those areas still in drought, then it's got to be minimal. I'll try to research this and come back with some figures.

That's okay. I imagine most Oklahomans live in areas that aren't in a drought, for whatever that's worth.

That's okay. I imagine most Oklahomans live in areas that aren't in a drought, for whatever that's worth.

Yet they (OKC at least) draw water from areas that are, so that's worth something too.

Okay so let's start talking actual climatology here before WW3 breaks out. :)

So if we look statewide, we can see how we typically go through periods of drought and above normal precip - rarely do we have an average year...

http://climate.ok.gov/data/public/climate/ok/images/traces/OK-CD00.prcp.Annual.png

We are coming off of 3 years of below average rainfall and history shows we will go back into a drought at some point...maybe even this year. I was going to show Central OK specifically but the graph is essentially the exact same, so serves no point.

So we take climatology and look at what we have...

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/addpcp.gif

By most accounts the drought is pretty well mitigated right now in Central and Eastern OK. However, we are still in desperate need of water in the West. The Panhandle and NW OK needs up to a foot of additional water, West Central up to 6 inches, and SW OK up to 9 inches of rainfall to break the drought.

Looking at the next 3 months...

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/season_drought.gif

Conclusions...Western OK is pretty well set in a continued long term drought for the hottest months of the year. We continue to see improvement here in Central OK, and Eastern OK is mostly out of it.

Hopefully we can see some complexes setup out west to get them some water or even some tropical moisture this summer to spread over that area to help out.

Adult supervision - just in time!

I like the map above that shows Oklahoma with only 9 counties ;-)

Developing cities in a way that costs less should just be the standard practice. It wasn't for a long time, so now we're going to have to pay for that with higher fees.

However, this talk of we've gotten a foot of rain in May and the drought is over is just lunacy. We've gone years with below average rainfall and claiming that rains in 2013 have overcome all of that is stupid. People should be conserving water all of the time. There's no need to waste, particularly when we live in an area prone to severe droughts.
There is a difference between the drought being over (which it is) and making up for the years of below normal rainfall (which we haven't yet). But the thing is you don't necessarilly need to make up for the below normal years because a lot of the water would be excess and flow downstream somewhere. You need to have the amount that you use. While I agree we shuld conserve, it shouldn't be mandatory, government imposed (unless a need exists, as during a drought).



Exactly. It was a "trick" question. There is no perfect answer.
(if it's been extra dry for several years, then gets really wet, we still need to "conserve" water and use it rationally. right?)

(at least until Canton Lake is full to overflowing again)

(Dune . . . Stranger in a Strange Land . . . The Grapes of Wrath . . . =)
i saw what you did there. LOL. And the answer is NO. Certainly not government imposed when no need to conserve exists.

Venture79: Thank you for supplying the info...

There is a difference between the drought being over (which it is) and making up for the years of below normal rainfall (which we haven't yet). But the thing is you don't necessarilly need to make up for the below normal years because a lot of the water would be excess and flow downstream somewhere. You need to have the amount that you use. While I agree we shuld conserve, it shouldn't be mandatory, government imposed (unless a need exists, as during a drought).



i saw what you did there. LOL. And the answer is NO. Certainly not government imposed when no need to conserve exists.

Venture79: Thank you for supplying the info...

How can you reasonably say "when no need to conserve exists." How can you say that when Oklahoma continues to suffer from years long droughts? Conservation should be the standard practice at this point. How can someone remotely think that there's ever a time that no need to conserve exists?

OnlyOne: I can say it because it is the truth. Just look at the stuff Venture79 posted. If you have excess, is there a need to conserve? NO. In fact, it might help matters at Stars & Stripes Park etc if folks stated wasting some of the water just to get all of that excess flood water someplace to go to. or pump it out and truck it back up to Canton Lake

OnlyOne: I can say it because it is the truth. Just look at the stuff Venture79 posted. If you have excess, is there a need to conserve? NO. In fact, it might help matters at Stars & Stripes Park etc if folks stated wasting some of the water just to get all of that excess flood water someplace to go to. or pump it out and truck it back up to Canton Lake

Unless things have changed since this weekend, the city if still exercising use of odd even watering days so technically you're in the wrong--which is surprising for someone that's so conservative when it comes to taxes...

OnlyOne: I can say it because it is the truth. Just look at the stuff Venture79 posted. If you have excess, is there a need to conserve? NO. In fact, it might help matters at Stars & Stripes Park etc if folks stated wasting some of the water just to get all of that excess flood water someplace to go to. or pump it out and truck it back up to Canton Lake

This is the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time. The entire western half of the state is still in moderate to exceptional drought, but there's no need to conserve. Okay...

This is the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time. The entire western half of the state is still in moderate to exceptional drought, but there's no need to conserve. Okay...

Yeah, where does he think the water for the northern half of OKC comes from? The catchment for Canton is Seiling, Woodward, Shattuck, Fort Supply and Guymon. Most everything in the panhandle soaks into the ground and doesn't even run downstream and considering the drought they're in....well....

Unless things have changed since this weekend, the city if still exercising use of odd even watering days so technically you're in the wrong--which is surprising for someone that's so conservative when it comes to taxes...
Yes, they have made the odd/even thing permanent 9according to a flier I got recently). But the point is there isn't a NEDD for us to be doing so.


This is the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time. The entire western half of the state is still in moderate to exceptional drought, but there's no need to conserve. Okay...
Thee is no need to conserve HERE. Right now.


Yeah, where does he think the water for the northern half of OKC comes from? The catchment for Canton is Seiling, Woodward, Shattuck, Fort Supply and Guymon. Most everything in the panhandle soaks into the ground and doesn't even run downstream and considering the drought they're in....well....
Again, the drought is still THERE, not HERE. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that other than when they released the water from Canton (that OKC owns the water rights), the water for the northern half of OKC comes from Lake Hefner??? If other rivers etc fed into Hefner, how can they do so if those areas are in such drought??? According to the OKC site (City of Oklahoma City | Water & Wastewater Utilities (http://www.okc.gov/water/)),

Oklahoma City gets raw water from the North Canadian River, supplemented by Canton Reservoir (northwest of Oklahoma City) and Atoka and McGee Creek Reservoirs in southeastern Oklahoma.

The key word there is supplemented (like when OKC is experiencing drought)

http://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/article-13296-water-hogs.html

On Oct. 11, the city announced that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was releasing 30,000 acre-feet of water from Canton Lake into the North Canadian River to increase the city’s drinking water supply captured by Lakes Hefner and Overholser.

Again, this goes along with the City's supplemental statement.

or pump it out and truck it back up to Canton Lake

For real?

Let's say you wanted to move 25,000 acre feet back to Canton.

25 000 acre feet = 1 089 000 000 cubic feet

That's about 316,339 semi trailers full.

Good luck on that one.

Again, the drought is still THERE, not HERE. Please correct me if I am wrong, but ...

There was no reason to state the obvious and I'm in agreement with you because I've seen the charts from NOAA with regard to the drought situation...doesn't mean you need to go buck wild on water use.


If other rivers etc fed into Hefner, how can they do so if those areas are in such drought???

There are no rivers that feed into Lake Hefner other than the channel that comes to Hefner via Lake Overholser.

I say we drain canton again to turn it into little Sahara two!

Sorry..too soon .

For real?

Let's say you wanted to move 25,000 acre feet back to Canton.

25 000 acre feet = 1 089 000 000 cubic feet

That's about 316,339 semi trailers full.

Good luck on that one.

I jug at a time...

Yeah.... wew.

Or we could just reverse that whole continental divide and have the water go back up the channel from East to West.. no problems there, right?

Good news: Fort Supply Lake is 100% full. This is upstream from Lake Canton.
A good rain upstream from FS could send water to Canton Lake.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/fxc/oun/graphicast/image7.jpg (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/graphicast.php?site=oun&gc=7)

Good news: Fort Supply Lake is 100% full. This is upstream from Lake Canton.
A good rain upstream from FS could send water to Canton Lake.

While any is good news, Fort Supply is very small compared to Canton

While any is good news, Fort Supply is very small compared to Canton

Additionally Ft Supply is extremely shallow. Less than 12 foot deep in most parts of the lake.