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HOT ROD
05-16-2013, 05:47 PM
First off, congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder for a wonderful season. Our team has shown consistent improvement season by season and it was a great year to be a fan from the Pac NW. OKC is my favourite major league team and I ordered NBA LeaguePass just so I could see EVERY OKC game, even DVRing them to ensure I could watch when live wasn't an option.

Now, here is some criticism that I hope will be received as constructive. Again, I watched most of OKC's games live and all eventually and I have some strong opinions on the team and why we were knocked out rather quickly.

1) obviously, this team was built around Russell Westbrook. He is my most favourite NBA player and I absolutely hate Skip Bayless or whatever his name is and other pundits who claimed Russell should have taken a back seat and let KD shine. Honestly, KD is a superstar but that doesn't make him the #1 person on the team. Russell is and these playoffs proved it. Russell is not a backup to KD, instead, Russell IS OKC. OKC proved it could win without KD but it proved just now that it can NOT win without Russell. Take that Skip!

2) while I like Scott Brooks, most other elite teams out coach him. He reacts way too slow (calling time outs after OKC blows leads and gets behind by double digits) and he pulls people who are shooting/defending well way too quickly. These are game-time aspects which I absolutely hated took place, this along with his persistence to play Kendrick Perkins who was always a constant net-negative to the team. I have more to say about Brooks and the coaching but I will save it for another point as this point should stand by itself in my opinion.

3) James Harden trade was a bust. I am not one of those bandwagon people who are just now seeing this was not a good deal for OKC, I said it all along and was shocked that OKC traded him but kept Kendrick Perkins. I'll get to Perkins in another point. Clearly, if OKC still had Harden then the three way tandem could have been retained. What OKC should have done was write plays specifically for Harden and get him in off the bench early; having Harden at the 1, Westbrook at the 2, Durant at the 3, Ibaka at the 4, and Collison/Thabeet at the 5. Playing that lineup for consistent minutes after starting would be unstoppable because you have playmakers at every position (provided you also work with Collison and Thabeet on how to post up and dunk) and you have arguably the #1 NBA players at the 1, 2, and 3. I personally do not think coaches did anything good for Harden which is why he had to create on his own when they subbed him for Westbrook AND Durant mostly during the 4th quarter. Yes Harden shined but that was due to his athletic ability and not because of him being an integral component of the team. What a miss, which was surely highlighted during these playoffs and earlier.

4) OKC should have gotten rid of Perkins and use some of that money to pay (and keep) Harden. Perkins is a net negative for OKC, he does nothing for the team positive. The guy can't rebound, he cant low post, he can't jump shoot, he can't even dunk the ball much less hold on to it if you pass it to him. Not to mention the constant hard passing and turnovers he causes because of that, it's like the guy is another player for the other team (6 to 4). This was also proven during the Mem-OKC series which was supposedly when Perkins would show his worth to the team. We saw his worth - NOTHING as OKC did better when he was warming the bench. I understand why he was acquired initially and back then we needed him instead of Jeff Green. But that was then and this is now, the guy does nothing now to help the team. We should have given him only a two year contract and got rid of him and got a cheaper center who is willing to play for a champion contender. Perkins has got to go, the man is not worth $9-million.

5) lack of coaching and preparation. This was proven almost every OKC game when we played an elite team or a team with an elite player (Cleveland), OKC showed up not prepared. This is the fault of coaching who didn't have OKC ready to play. Take for instance the Memphis games, there was no analysis on how to stop Zbo and Gasshaul, yet "Inside the NBA" broke them down quite nicely and effectively after the series was over. Why was Ibaka and Perkins falling for Zbo's backing down to the right (when he would then spin left to his shooting hand and lay the ball in since that would be open)? Why not back him right and force him to shoot right? Why were they letting Gasshaul shoot the mid-range jumpers (which he never missed)? Why not make him take shots right in the paint where he is less effective? Why were OKC players double-teaming, leaving one of those guards open for threes (which they hit)? Why does OKC not have a Zone defense? Why does OKC coaches only rely on 'shots falling' to win games but no plays developed to move players around so somebody could even be open for a shot to fall - particularly an inside shot. Speaking of that, why was OKC ONLY taking outside shots to begin with? why did it take OKC the 3rd quarter of Game 5 to finally get inside pass and lay-in between Durant and Collison? None of that was due to coaching, it was just things OKC figured out on the fly, and you can't blame that on Westbrook but all of the blame should be on Scott Brooks and the coaching staff. They should have been scouting teams before they play and should have developed defense to stop a team and offenses to exploit THEIR weaknesses.

Honestly, even without Westbrook there is no reason OKC should have lost that series. The games were within a few points either way and OKC should have had the composure to close out the games. It is very clear OKC had no idea what they were doing, despite having some time (during breaks in scheduling) to scout teams they would play. OKC coaches depend too much on OKC's athleticism, which IS the best in the NBA. But other teams know this and their coaches scout - ala Memphis, they knew exactly what OKC players do, where they would be and how to defend every last player save Westbrook. Memphis's coaching staff won that series and OKC's coaching staff let us down. Seriously, I give Scott Brooks one more year to figure this out, if he comes back with "well, our shots just weren't falling" or "so and so had an off night" instead of "I got out-coached, but I will be prepared next time.... " then I think it is time to send him into the sunset and go get Byron Scott or somebody who knows how to draw up plays that exploit the opponent.

6) KD. I like him and he is a superstar, but this playoffs proved why he should NOT have been the MVP and that HE was riding Westbrook's coattails and not the other way around. Why was KD constantly trying to shoot jumpers when he should have been trying to take it to the hole (as in the last play of the season, which likely would have given us a chance at least to win the game)? KD shines when the team/Westbrook is doing well, but he fails when the team does not do well (or when Westbrook is out, as we see). For him to get to the next level, he needs to grow up and learn how to vary his shots, not just keep chunking up prayers hoping they will go in.

7) team immaturity. OKC is still very immature. If OKC scores a point, they get so excited yet forget to defend (and Memphis runs down a fastbreak counter score AND one). If OKC (as in KD, Perkins, Ibaka) tries to score but doesn't, there is POUTING and staredowns while the other team runs a fastbreak for an uncontested. This crap has got to stop! I understand the refs did give Memphis preferential treatment during game 4 and other times, but if OKC just cuts out half of our mistakes we would win inspite of the refs or Memphis's two big guys. Can OKC please grow up and stop pouting so much, get back on defense when a score does or does not take place - other teams get back on OKC, it is no excuse since OKC is most athletic of all.

8) Why the heck did OKC not retain DFish? Why did we resign him so late? Why did we let him go in the first place? This guy brings championship leadership to OKC in a way that Perkins could NEVER. I was so upset when Brooks sat DFish in game 4 after he almost single handedly brought the team out of the dolldroms, only for OKC to then blow the lead in the 3rd quarter and then he calls on a now COLD DFish (or KMart). Trump this up to coaching again, we need some consistency and I'd like to see DFish signed for an entire year to get us to the level we need to be.

9) Coaching (again). I remembered one more point which I think needs its own number. 3rd quarter blows. Teams know that regardless of how much OKC is up, that they can catch up in the 3rd quarter because Scott Brooks will send out K Perkins to significant minutes and the team can watch film of the first half to make adjustments and exploit Perk. I am so sick of that. Why not do something different? Why be so predictable and gullible? Too many times OKC blew leads due to coach bringing out the obvious who cant move, cant jump, cant rebound, cant jumpshoot, cant dunk, cant pass, and cant catch a pass without losing it. I mean, damn; Perkins and Coach Brooks lost OKC this series - plain and simple. This is something that needs to be corrected, otherwise I'd like to see Brooks escorted out of OKC as the head coach at least, and bring in somebody with some ba**s who knows how to adapt to situations QUICKLY and draw up plays that exploit the other team.

OK, sorry for the rant but I had to get this off my chest. I hope people will not be homers with this "well, at least we got to the playoffs 2nd round, we improved over last year, blah blah". OKC has what it takes to at least have made it past Memphis and given SA a good series WITHOUT Westbrook. Yet if you look at the coaching (or lack thereof) AND Perkins, as well as some dumb moves by Durant and Ibaka's lack of low post - this is why OKC barely lost the series, yes barely!

We have to fix these mistakes, otherwise, this will be the end result regardless of Westbrook's return; because teams now know how to take OKC out of their game since there is no variation and OKC shows up unprepared for them!

BoulderSooner
05-16-2013, 06:40 PM
Don't even know where to start. But I will go with Westbrook not at point = fail

dankrutka
05-16-2013, 07:39 PM
The analysis of KD's game is way off base. KD played some of the best ball of any player in playoffs history and we actually have people posting that he has been riding RWO's coat tails and is not a legitimate MVP candidate. The Thunder fell apart, but KD was amazing this playoffs save one bad game. His numbers are off the charts. Goodness. I can't believe someone who "watched every game" could come to such asinine conclusions about KD. The distance between him and the 3rd best player in the league is pretty wide.

Brooks is not a great Xs and Os coach. Perk is bad offensively. Everyone knows that stuff.

I've always thought the Harden trade was a mistake and there were ways to keep him for at least 2 seasons.

Okay. That's about all I can get to from that novel of a post.

Easy180
05-16-2013, 08:11 PM
No time to panic folks...Best record in the toughest conference...Just lost a top 7 player early in the playoffs and lost to a 5 seed in the 2nd round of the playoffs

Solid year and definitely enjoyable

SoonerBoy18
05-16-2013, 10:29 PM
Does everyone now understand just how important Westbrook is to this team?

He can take all the shots he wants next season and I wont say anything negative lol.

dankrutka
05-17-2013, 12:45 AM
No time to panic folks...Best record in the toughest conference...Just lost a top 7 player early in the playoffs and lost to a 5 seed in the 2nd round of the playoffs

Solid year and definitely enjoyable

Indeed. I have concerns, but the Thunder are without a doubt a top 5 team in the league next season.

HOT ROD
05-17-2013, 06:13 AM
Im not sold on KD as you are;

Far too many jumpshots and not enough basketball IQ. If you need a reference, recall the last Thunder offensive play of the last game, and the game before that. ... I completely disagree with your opinion that KD played the best of any player in this year's playoffs - not even close. It was ridiculous of him to have 5-21 on an elimination game (when most of those 21 shots were jumpshots and not enough to the hole. ...)

Yep, I am someone who watched every game - if you disagree then maybe my reception up here in Seattle isn't as good as yours because that is what I and my wife observed. I did give KD props as #2 in the league, but I also clearly pointed out why he is not in the same league as LeBron and it is no surprise KD did not get the MVP because he is not there yet. Apparently KD agrees with me in that he said he has lots to improve on and I know exactly what that is.

Bill Robertson
05-17-2013, 07:38 AM
Hot Rod, maybe your reception isn't so good. No, KD isn't as good without Westbrook. They play off each other. Neither would be as good without the other. Jordan would not have been as good without Pippen, LeBron would not have be as good without Wade and the list goes on and on. You bring up two plays KD flubbed. OK he didn't have a good game 5. What he did do was lead the average points per game in the playoffs with 30.8 points. 3.1 points better than number 2 Carmelo Anthony. He hit 45.5% from the field and 83% from the line. I'll take that any game. He pretty much carried the team since except for a few spots Martin, Ibaka and Fisher couldn't find the basket.

TaoMaas
05-17-2013, 07:53 AM
KD was worn down to a nub by this last game. Trying to judge him by the last game or two is crazy.

dankrutka
05-17-2013, 09:40 AM
After Westbrook went down KD's production went up as he maintained his efficiency. You're all focusing on his only bad game of the postseason because it was his last one. You could definitely make a case that KD has the highest basketball IQ in the NBA. He gets to the rim with consistency.

All your points are anecdotal, HOT ROD. KD's numbers speak for themselves. Look at his PER and advanced stats for the playoffs. KD has had the best playoffs of anyone. The team suffered from Westbrook's absence, but KD stepped up big time. The problem was that our other players didn't.

OKCisOK4me
05-18-2013, 01:07 AM
If Perkins is amnesty'd, I've been researching for the last hour or so, who would replace him...based on their current salaries and PER (Player Efficiency Ratings) lowest to highest via PER rankings. They are as follows:

Elton Brand 15.19
Marreese Speights 17.35
Carl Landry 17.60
Samuel Dalembert 18.60
Tiago Splitter 18.72
J.J. Hickson 19.71
Paul Millsap 19.89
Andray Blatche 21.98

As far as PER ratings go, Kendrick Perkins is currently rated at 8.20, Kevin Durant at 28.35 and our favorite, Lebron James at 31.67, to put these guys on a scale.

Blatch is currently the lowest paid and Millsap the highest paid. What would it take to bring one of these guys in?

Don't get me wrong, I love Perk but if he goes the way of amnesty then these are the candidates I would like to see brought in. I hope Presti would be on the same page but I'll let him judge the intrinsic values of each player to decide who might be the perfect fit for the 2013-14 Thunder season.

Mississippi Blues
05-18-2013, 12:40 PM
What I've gathered from the Brooklyn games I've watched, Blatch is a pretty solid player.

Teo9969
05-18-2013, 01:24 PM
If Perkins is amnesty'd, I've been researching for the last hour or so, who would replace him...based on their current salaries and PER (Player Efficiency Ratings) lowest to highest via PER rankings. They are as follows:

Elton Brand 15.19
Marreese Speights 17.35
Carl Landry 17.60
Samuel Dalembert 18.60
Tiago Splitter 18.72
J.J. Hickson 19.71
Paul Millsap 19.89
Andray Blatche 21.98

As far as PER ratings go, Kendrick Perkins is currently rated at 8.20, Kevin Durant at 28.35 and our favorite, Lebron James at 31.67, to put these guys on a scale.

Blatch is currently the lowest paid and Millsap the highest paid. What would it take to bring one of these guys in?

Don't get me wrong, I love Perk but if he goes the way of amnesty then these are the candidates I would like to see brought in. I hope Presti would be on the same page but I'll let him judge the intrinsic values of each player to decide who might be the perfect fit for the 2013-14 Thunder season.

I sincerely doubt Perkins gets amnestied, but I still think OKC should use their MLE to go after another Big. If OKC can't nab Greg Oden, I'd go with Splitter (though I think SA is going to re-sign him), and I like what I've seen from Blatche. I think bringing in any of those guys gives us what we need off the bench, but any of those guys could easily get an offer that is more than we can sign.

dankrutka
05-18-2013, 10:53 PM
Perk is not getting amnestied and I don't think they'll go after anyone in the offseason either. I think they're going to see what our rookies can do to help the team, but we're not going into the luxury tax ( at least early in the season, maybe at trade deadline) for Blatch or Splittter. It's more likely the team just tries to roll with Ibaka at center more than anything else. The team is likely to try to grow within first.

Teo9969
05-20-2013, 09:12 AM
Perk is not getting amnestied and I don't think they'll go after anyone in the offseason either. I think they're going to see what our rookies can do to help the team, but we're not going into the luxury tax ( at least early in the season, maybe at trade deadline) for Blatch or Splittter. It's more likely the team just tries to roll with Ibaka at center more than anything else. The team is likely to try to grow within first.

OKC will be really really close to the tax just signing their draft picks. That doesn't factor in a contract for Kevin Martin that at the very minimum would be ~$6.5/year, but probably closer to $8.5/$9.

The MLE is use it or lose it...And if we don't use it this year, then the level of contract we can sign will drop from $5M to $3M.

warreng88
05-21-2013, 11:24 AM
Not sure where to put this, so I'll put it in a few places: Kevin Durant just donated a million dollars for tornado relief.

td25er
05-21-2013, 11:27 AM
Not sure where to put this, so I'll put it in a few places: Kevin Durant just donated a million dollars for tornado relief.

Awesome!!!!!!

king183
05-21-2013, 12:13 PM
KD donated $1 million and Perkins, his wife, and Thabo have been collecting donations and organizing relief efforts of their own in OKC. Amazing team we have.

Bellaboo
05-21-2013, 12:39 PM
KD donated $1 million and Perkins, his wife, and Thabo have been collecting donations and organizing relief efforts of their own in OKC. Amazing team we have.

KD gave his pledge to the Red Cross Tornado fund.

king183
05-21-2013, 01:41 PM
KD gave his pledge to the Red Cross Tornado fund.

Russell Westbrook just matched KD's pledge.

ljbab728
05-21-2013, 03:17 PM
The Thunder organization also donated $1M.

HOT ROD
05-25-2013, 02:31 AM
Yep, you keep the faith dan - seems san antonio isnt having okc/kd's issues with memphis

betts
05-25-2013, 07:41 AM
Yep, you keep the faith dan - seems san antonio isnt having okc/kd's issues with memphis

They aren't missing their point guard.

Easy180
05-25-2013, 07:45 AM
They aren't missing their point guard.

You mean a top 8 player in the league, most athletic player in the league? No big loss, hardly phase a team lol

Plutonic Panda
06-08-2013, 03:02 AM
Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kevin-durant-hiring-jay-z-s-roc-nation-sports-as-his-new-agent-042951471.html) Hope KD stays here in OKC, people commenting on this article seem to think he might move.

OKCisOK4me
06-08-2013, 09:18 AM
He's one of two 5 year players...the other being Westbrook...that are currently under contract. Don't read into the wishes of some jacks outside of the organization.

Bellaboo
06-08-2013, 10:50 AM
Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kevin-durant-hiring-jay-z-s-roc-nation-sports-as-his-new-agent-042951471.html) Hope KD stays here in OKC, people commenting on this article seem to think he might move.

Fans of the other 29 teams are in fantasy land wishing they could get KD.....Last year I was reading a Phoenix blog and they were saying they'd have KD on their team in 2 years.....right

adaniel
06-08-2013, 01:45 PM
The only thing worse than Yahoo! Sports is the commenters on Yahoo! Sports. I wouldn't take either seriously.

This move probably has more to do with increasing his brand via endorsements and what not, plus a plethora of behind the scenes things, than anything dealing with a departure from OKC.

skanaly
06-10-2013, 10:46 AM
In 2010-11 Season KD signed an 8 year contract...so we have him for atleast another 6 years, the Thunder will get a lot accomplished in that time period

warreng88
06-10-2013, 10:52 AM
In 2010-11 Season KD signed an 8 year contract...so we have him for atleast another 6 years, the Thunder will get a lot accomplished in that time period

Not sure where you got that from, but KD signed a 5 year contract that started in the 2011-2012 season, so we have him through the 2015-2016 season, another three seasons.

dankrutka
06-10-2013, 01:41 PM
In 2010-11 Season KD signed an 8 year contract...so we have him for atleast another 6 years, the Thunder will get a lot accomplished in that time period

The longest contract you can sign in the NBA is 5 years.

Laramie
06-13-2013, 08:08 PM
Yes we are going to have Kevin Durant around until 2015-16. You are correct, the maxium an NBA team can sign a player is five years.

Has anyone heard about any of the developments on Kevin Durant's restaurant?

ljbab728
06-13-2013, 08:44 PM
Yes we are going to have Kevin Durant around until 2015-16. You are correct, the maxium an NBA team can sign a player is five years.

Has anyone heard about any of the developments on Kevin Durant's restaurant?

Kevin Durant Restaurant - OKCTalk (http://www.okctalk.com/showwiki.php?title=Kevin+Durant+Restaurant&highlight=kd+restaurant&page=12)

Laramie
09-23-2013, 07:00 PM
Oklahoma City Thunder's ranking among (2013 year) major professional sports franchises (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL):

1. Memphis Grizzlies
2. San Antoino Spurs
3. Indiana Pacers
4. Oklahoma City Thunder
5. Green Bay Packers
6. Arizona Diamonbacks
7. Pittsburgh Penguins
8. Anaheim Ducks
9. Ottawa Senators
10. Baltimore Ravens

2012 Oklahoma City Thunder ranked No.1.

Ultimate Team Rankings - All Sports - SportsNation - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings?year=2013/_/sport/nba#table)

Can anyone figure this out? These figures don't add up using the catagories. Plus, the select market drop down menu doesn't list Oklahoma City as a market. We were lost some years ago by a popular map company as a state and now Oklahoma City as a market doesn't exist on ESPN's market menu.