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Video Expert
10-19-2023, 10:54 PM
Man, people just seem to love to argue on here no matter the topic. Let them take their survey and if they ultimately decide to change the name of the airport for rebranding purposes, so be it. We're all going to use the airport regardless.

Zuplar
10-20-2023, 08:10 AM
I saw a lot of negative comments on Facebook when Channel 4 posted an article. As one of those under 40s I always say Will Rogers and most people I talk with say the same. If they want to throw the OKC name in it somewhere for greater branding I’m fine with that but I’ll forever call it Will Rogers.

Anonymous.
10-20-2023, 08:36 AM
Yes the social media comments are wild for this one. I had no idea this many people were so passionate about Will Rogers. I am guessing a lot of people really remember this part of Oklahoma History in grade school.

jedicurt
10-20-2023, 09:13 AM
Yes the social media comments are wild for this one. I had no idea this many people were so passionate about Will Rogers. I am guessing a lot of people really remember this part of Oklahoma History in grade school.

which is just crazy, because my oklahoma history class back in the late 90's never even got us to statehood. it basically was just talking about the land run, over and over and over again.

BoulderSooner
10-20-2023, 09:55 AM
I saw a lot of negative comments on Facebook when Channel 4 posted an article. As one of those under 40s I always say Will Rogers and most people I talk with say the same. If they want to throw the OKC name in it somewhere for greater branding I’m fine with that but I’ll forever call it Will Rogers.

except do you??

like you tell some one " I am going to Will Rodgers airport on Friday." or do you just say i am going to the airport ...


this entire thing is really pointless ..

OKC doesn't have 2 airports where people have to make a distinction ..

ditm4567
10-20-2023, 10:01 AM
I learned this week that there is an airport in Utqiagvik, Alaska that is named "Wiley Post-Will Rogers Memorial Airport"...

OkiePoke
10-20-2023, 10:25 AM
I propose it being called 'The Airport'. Just like people in Oklahoma call OKC 'The City'

PhiAlpha
10-20-2023, 10:44 AM
I learned this week that there is an airport in Utqiagvik, Alaska that is named "Wiley Post-Will Rogers Memorial Airport"...

Yes. For those who don’t know, that’s where Will Rogers and Wiley Post were flying when their plane crashed, killing both of them.

therhett17
10-20-2023, 12:26 PM
except do you??

like you tell some one " I am going to Will Rodgers airport on Friday." or do you just say i am going to the airport ...


this entire thing is really pointless ..

OKC doesn't have 2 airports where people have to make a distinction ..

Ah, a pet peeve of mine is when people spell it "Will Rodgers" instead of "Will Rogers" lol

BoulderSooner
10-20-2023, 01:31 PM
Ah, a pet peeve of mine is when people spell it "Will Rodgers" instead of "Will Rogers" lol

valid

Jersey Boss
10-20-2023, 03:50 PM
except do you??

like you tell some one " I am going to Will Rodgers airport on Friday." or do you just say i am going to the airport ...


this entire thing is really pointless ..

OKC doesn't have 2 airports where people have to make a distinction ..

This. My circle of family and friends call it "The Airport".

Zuplar
10-20-2023, 05:13 PM
except do you??

like you tell some one " I am going to Will Rodgers airport on Friday." or do you just say i am going to the airport ...


this entire thing is really pointless ..

OKC doesn't have 2 airports where people have to make a distinction ..

Nope just say going to Will Rogers.

TornadoKegan
10-21-2023, 03:43 AM
I think we need a international airport. not like Tulsa where the international is just slapped on there when it is really a hub, i mean more like DFW. East of the Kickapoo Turnpike would be a good place, Also along the NW Expressway is also a good option.

scottk
10-21-2023, 09:06 AM
I think we need a international airport. not like Tulsa where the international is just slapped on there when it is really a hub, i mean more like DFW. East of the Kickapoo Turnpike would be a good place, Also along the NW Expressway is also a good option.

Tulsa International, while only offering domestic flights, is still an international airport since it has customs and border patrol facilities.

OKC may get a "sprinkle" of international flights, but because DFW is so close, and so big, the chance of getting anything more than that just doesn't seem realistic. (or profitable)...easier to jump on a AA flight for DFW and fly to virtually anywhere from there.

chssooner
10-21-2023, 11:13 AM
I think we need a international airport. not like Tulsa where the international is just slapped on there when it is really a hub, i mean more like DFW. East of the Kickapoo Turnpike would be a good place, Also along the NW Expressway is also a good option.

Yeah, that will never happen. Even me, who hates OKC's airport director, knows airlines aren't stupid enough to support another hub. There's a reason there hasn't been a new one in forever. Small airlines may set up hubs somewhere, but they are a fart in a hurricane.

Snowman
10-21-2023, 11:26 AM
Yeah, that will never happen. Even me, who hates OKC's airport director, knows airlines aren't stupid enough to support another hub. There's a reason there hasn't been a new one in forever. Small airlines may set up hubs somewhere, but they are a fart in a hurricane.

Plus with airline consolidation the trend has been for less hubs, and if any wanted another one, there are several with massively overbuilt terminals for current need that used to be medium size hubs.

Our current airport is hardly land constrained either, if we somehow managed to need more than the current long term concept allowing up to 30-ish gates or were bumped up to a medium size hub and runway/taxiway layout really was constraining our terminal capacity, 17R/35L could be shifted up to a mile west of it's current location, though as further west the more it would need to shift south.

Swake
10-21-2023, 02:21 PM
I think we need a international airport. not like Tulsa where the international is just slapped on there when it is really a hub, i mean more like DFW. East of the Kickapoo Turnpike would be a good place, Also along the NW Expressway is also a good option.

One just like the second busiest airport in the world? Sure.

HOT ROD
10-21-2023, 05:13 PM
I say they should do like Chicago or Atlanta, incorporate the city name with the icon's name.

Chicago O'hare International Airport <==> Oklahoma City Will Rogers International Airport or better yet, Will Rogers Oklahoma City International Airport (OKC) as it's full name (drop the "world").

People will still call it Will Rogers just like people call it O'Hare. But having Oklahoma City in the name is very useful for not only bragging branding but also for people NOT FROM Oklahoma or the USA. There is little to no connection worldwide to make someone not from the US (or even most of the USA) to connect Will Rogers to Oklahoma City's airport. International means much more to me than World, however, it was unique to OKC (the only airport with "world" in it's name. I say International is more global, mature. World worked while OKC was a small city.

Shortsyeararound
10-21-2023, 08:39 PM
Never going to be international when occasionally if you want to fly to Dallas you have to be routed through Houston or going to Tulsa and route through Kansas City.
I over 40 and I say “going to the airport”.

scottk
10-22-2023, 09:18 AM
Never going to be international when occasionally if you want to fly to Dallas you have to be routed through Houston or going to Tulsa and route through Kansas City.
I over 40 and I say “going to the airport”.

American offers 8-9 flights direct daily from OKC to DFW?

Southwest use to fly OKC to DAL (Love Field), but when Dallas Love was no longer impacted by the Wright Amendment, OKC-DAL didn't make sense as SWA could now offer longer, more profitable routes and SWA was gate limited to 24 or so gates at Love. When SWA ended OKC-DAL, 80% of passengers were using it as a connecting flight, which isn't how Southwest wants to be setup, even though they do operate mini hubs. Also average flights to DAL on SWA were only about 70% full.

Will Dearborn
10-22-2023, 09:35 AM
I’ve seen someone else claim that’s why pilots say it, but it doesn’t ring true because 1) we’re not talking about when they’re communicating with ATC; we’re talking about when pilots address the cabin and 2) they don’t use this alleged sparing/economical communication with any other city names when addressing the cabin.

believe what you'd like

must be a conspiracy

Shortsyeararound
10-22-2023, 10:15 AM
American offers 8-9 flights direct daily from OKC to DFW?

Southwest use to fly OKC to DAL (Love Field), but when Dallas Love was no longer impacted by the Wright Amendment, OKC-DAL didn't make sense as SWA could now offer longer, more profitable routes and SWA was gate limited to 24 or so gates at Love. When SWA ended OKC-DAL, 80% of passengers were using it as a connecting flight, which isn't how Southwest wants to be setup, even though they do operate mini hubs. Also average flights to DAL on SWA were only about 70% full.

Yes- (American Airlines) but I have been routed to Houston before multiple times before landing Dallas. Might have been a cost issue for my employer at the time.

PhiAlpha
10-22-2023, 01:18 PM
I say they should do like Chicago or Atlanta, incorporate the city name with the icon's name.

Chicago O'hare International Airport <==> Oklahoma City Will Rogers International Airport or better yet, Will Rogers Oklahoma City International Airport (OKC) as it's full name (drop the "world").

People will still call it Will Rogers just like people call it O'Hare. But having Oklahoma City in the name is very useful for not only bragging branding but also for people NOT FROM Oklahoma or the USA. There is little to no connection worldwide to make someone not from the US (or even most of the USA) to connect Will Rogers to Oklahoma City's airport. International means much more to me than World, however, it was unique to OKC (the only airport with "world" in its name. I say International is more global, mature. World worked while OKC was a small city.

Yeah let’s just make the airport name as long as freaking possible for absolutely no reason.

JDSooners
10-22-2023, 05:32 PM
I think we need a international airport. not like Tulsa where the international is just slapped on there when it is really a hub, i mean more like DFW. East of the Kickapoo Turnpike would be a good place, Also along the NW Expressway is also a good option.

There's a new gate setup for international travel, I don't have the usage rates, but I know there's a bunch of hold room space going unused, the whole area underneath the new gates is a hold area

amocore
10-23-2023, 10:48 AM
I was surprised to learn Southwest Airlines has still only three gates at the airport despite an ever increasing number of passengers.

My flight coming back to OKC was delayed yesterday so we had to wait on the tarmac as all the southwest gates were full.

The gate, formally used by Breeze, on the east side of the former OKC grill would be perfect for them.

Jersey Boss
10-23-2023, 11:22 AM
I just wish that with all the flights that AA offers that their gates were not a ten dollar cab ride away from TSA

HOT ROD
10-23-2023, 01:26 PM
Yeah let’s just make the airport name as long as freaking possible for absolutely no reason.

apparently you missed the 'reason' why the airport is considering the name change. BTW, the names I mentioned are in consideration whether you like it or not. Furthermore, all is added isn the city and changing World to International.

Oklahoma City XXX is going to be long anyway, regardless of if it's convention center, metro area transit, international airport, or whatever else that may irk you.

warreng88
10-23-2023, 03:23 PM
I was surprised to learn Southwest Airlines has still only three gates at the airport despite an ever increasing number of passengers.

My flight coming back to OKC was delayed yesterday so we had to wait on the tarmac as all the southwest gates were full.

The gate, formally used by Breeze, on the east side of the former OKC grill would be perfect for them.

I don't think I knew that and we fly SW almost exclusively. Looking at the OKC Map, SW just has gates 14,16 and 18. Didn't realize United had five gates.

Didn't there used to be some shared gates? Breeze is what I am thinking of?

PhiAlpha
10-23-2023, 05:33 PM
apparently you missed the 'reason' why the airport is considering the name change. BTW, the names I mentioned are in consideration whether you like it or not. Furthermore, all is added isn the city and changing World to International.

Oklahoma City XXX is going to be long anyway, regardless of if it's convention center, metro area transit, international airport, or whatever else that may irk you.

1. I read through everything that's been posted and all of the airport's rebranding links. What reason did I miss?

2. Everything says the airport is looking at rebranding but I've seen nothing that specifically says renaming...again back to the discussion about rebranding the Thunder, rebranding and renaming aren't always the same thing.

3. If they are in fact looking at renaming the airport, who said those names were in consideration outside of you and a few other people on this site? Did the airport trust put that information out there? Is that second hand information from someone who would know? All I've seen are people throwing out ideas here based on three paragraph press release and a survey, neither of which say that they're looking to rename it or what they're looking to rename it.

HOT ROD
10-23-2023, 11:34 PM
you obviously didn't look at or pay attention to the survey the airport sent out. if you did, then 1, 2, and 3 of your issues would already be answered.

PhiAlpha
10-24-2023, 01:51 AM
you obviously didn't look at or pay attention to the survey the airport sent out. if you did, then 1, 2, and 3 of your issues would already be answered.

I’ve taken the survey twice. “What do you call the airport?” Is not “we’re renaming the airport, pick one of these options.”

While you could make the leap that they definitely intend to rename it based on the first two questions, the rest of the survey led me to believe that it has just as much or more to do with marketing, mission statements, logos, promotional material, decorative aspects of the airport and doing things consistent with the new branding that make the airport easier to navigate and provides travelers with a more pleasant experience. It also sounded like they might want to know if the airport currently does a good enough job of conveying the story of Will Rogers and his impact on the state/country so that anyone coming through understood who the airport was named after.

It asks if the airport (not the airport’s namesake) is representative of OKC’s culture. That goes way beyond the name.

I insinuated that there was no reason to pick the absolute longest name for the airport…you said I obviously missed the reason…based on the questions they asked and the press release…I didn’t miss anything indicating that people don’t know where will rogers is nor did I see a reason we should rename the airport with the longest option possible (not smart for a city with one airport that is looking for better and more effective branding). A mouthful of word salad doesn’t make for good branding.

Based on the fact that neither the press release nor the survey explicitly mention renaming…I think the focus is on much more than that. Obviously they asked the first question to determine whether that’s something they should consider but again…I think you’re way too focused on that when I’m not sure that they are. Would love for someone who is actually involved or in the know to explain what they’re looking for in more detail one way or the other.

Bowser214
11-01-2023, 06:50 PM
Fly Southwest out of DFW? Airline, Airport confirm preliminary discussions regarding partnership that'd start in 2025 Because of lingering Wright Amendment constraints, Southwest has previously been unable to expand to DFW Airport without lessening its Dallas Love Field presence.
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/travel/southwest-airlines-dfw-airport-preliminary-discussions-gates-2025-wright-amendment/287-23bcccaf-f255-487f-a985-cc3313662350

Mountaingoat
11-01-2023, 10:10 PM
SW signed a contract with Boeing for > 100 new 737-Max jets.

BG918
11-02-2023, 10:31 AM
Fly Southwest out of DFW? Airline, Airport confirm preliminary discussions regarding partnership that'd start in 2025 Because of lingering Wright Amendment constraints, Southwest has previously been unable to expand to DFW Airport without lessening its Dallas Love Field presence.
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/travel/southwest-airlines-dfw-airport-preliminary-discussions-gates-2025-wright-amendment/287-23bcccaf-f255-487f-a985-cc3313662350

Good for them. Doubt that means flights from DFW-OKC/TUL though.

warreng88
11-02-2023, 11:26 AM
My wife and I were discussing this yesterday: which city does OKC have the most direct flights to? I saw that Vegas has four flights on SW, but I would guess it would be either Denver or Houston.

SEMIweather
11-02-2023, 11:51 AM
My wife and I were discussing this yesterday: which city does OKC have the most direct flights to? I saw that Vegas has four flights on SW, but I would guess it would be either Denver or Houston.

This was just a quick search for one week (January 7th-13th), but here's what I came up with:

1) Houston - 61 (IAH - 34 | HOU - 27)
2) Denver - 59
3) Dallas - 50
4) Chicago - 36 (ORD - 30 | MDW - 6)
5) Atlanta - 35
6) Phoenix - 32
T7) Las Vegas - 20
T7) New York - 20
T9) Charlotte - 14
T9) Los Angeles - 14
T9) Salt Lake City - 14
T9) Washington DC - 14
13) St. Louis - 13
14) Austin - 14
T15) Miami - 7
T15) Minneapolis - 7
17) San Antonio - 6
T18) Orlando - 5
T18) Seattle - 5

Richard at Remax
11-02-2023, 01:16 PM
Nm

DelCamino
11-02-2023, 02:57 PM
From the October 26 WRWA Trust meeting, and minutes approving the design/managment plan. Looks like new terrazzo flooring is coming to the terminal.
18429

18430

oktxatty
11-06-2023, 05:17 PM
This was just a quick search for one week (January 7th-13th), but here's what I came up with:

1) Houston - 61 (IAH - 34 | HOU - 27)
2) Denver - 59
3) Dallas - 50
4) Chicago - 36 (ORD - 30 | MDW - 6)
5) Atlanta - 35
6) Phoenix - 32
T7) Las Vegas - 20
T7) New York - 20
T9) Charlotte - 14
T9) Los Angeles - 14
T9) Salt Lake City - 14
T9) Washington DC - 14
13) St. Louis - 13
14) Austin - 14
T15) Miami - 7
T15) Minneapolis - 7
17) San Antonio - 6
T18) Orlando - 5
T18) Seattle - 5

Nice job.

Anonymous.
11-06-2023, 05:28 PM
From the October 26 WRWA Trust meeting, and minutes approving the design/managment plan. Looks like new terrazzo flooring is coming to the terminal.
18429

18430

Finally! The tile flooring is easily the most dated thing there.

oktxatty
11-06-2023, 05:29 PM
My wife and I were discussing this yesterday: which city does OKC have the most direct flights to? I saw that Vegas has four flights on SW, but I would guess it would be either Denver or Houston.

SW currently has 2 nonstops and 2 directs OKC-LAS, 2 Nonstops, 0 directs LAS-OKC. There are several other options each way with a connection.

oktxatty
11-06-2023, 05:37 PM
I’ve taken the survey twice. “What do you call the airport?” Is not “we’re renaming the airport, pick one of these options.”

While you could make the leap that they definitely intend to rename it based on the first two questions, the rest of the survey led me to believe that it has just as much or more to do with marketing, mission statements, logos, promotional material, decorative aspects of the airport and doing things consistent with the new branding that make the airport easier to navigate and provides travelers with a more pleasant experience. It also sounded like they might want to know if the airport currently does a good enough job of conveying the story of Will Rogers and his impact on the state/country so that anyone coming through understood who the airport was named after.

It asks if the airport (not the airport’s namesake) is representative of OKC’s culture. That goes way beyond the name.

I insinuated that there was no reason to pick the absolute longest name for the airport…you said I obviously missed the reason…based on the questions they asked and the press release…I didn’t miss anything indicating that people don’t know where will rogers is nor did I see a reason we should rename the airport with the longest option possible (not smart for a city with one airport that is looking for better and more effective branding). A mouthful of word salad doesn’t make for good branding.

Based on the fact that neither the press release nor the survey explicitly mention renaming…I think the focus is on much more than that. Obviously they asked the first question to determine whether that’s something they should consider but again…I think you’re way too focused on that when I’m not sure that they are. Would love for someone who is actually involved or in the know to explain what they’re looking for in more detail one way or the other.

Same here. There were no naming "options" like "Oklahoma City Will Rogers International Airport" or whatever. You could answer with whatever you wanted. I answered "WIll Rogers International Airport", which might currently be a stretch, but it was named "Will Rogers WORLD Airport" back in 1966, an even bigger stretch, and after all, we're talking marketing here, lol!

oktxatty
11-06-2023, 05:54 PM
Fly Southwest out of DFW? Airline, Airport confirm preliminary discussions regarding partnership that'd start in 2025 Because of lingering Wright Amendment constraints, Southwest has previously been unable to expand to DFW Airport without lessening its Dallas Love Field presence.
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/travel/southwest-airlines-dfw-airport-preliminary-discussions-gates-2025-wright-amendment/287-23bcccaf-f255-487f-a985-cc3313662350

Wouldn't surprise me. They added Houston Intercontinental in '21 even though they dominate Houston Hobby, and Chicago O'Hare also in '21, even though they dominate Midway. AA won't be pleased,:).

scottk
11-06-2023, 06:55 PM
Wouldn't surprise me. They added Houston Intercontinental in '21 even though they dominate Houston Hobby, and Chicago O'Hare also in '21, even though they dominate Midway. AA won't be pleased,:).

I actualyl like flying into Hobby and Love compared to Bush and DFW. Location for what I need and getting from terminal to terminal and terminal to parking is much easier.

Laramie
12-24-2023, 02:16 PM
AAR announces extension and expansion of Alaska Airlines MRO relationship, expected facility expansion in Oklahoma City
https://www.greateroklahomacity.com/clientuploads/directory/stories/Aerospace/Ch2/Plane_With_Jetbridge_Screengrab.jpg


The proposed new hangar will provide AAR an additional 85,000 square feet of MRO space to accommodate all 737 variants, including the 737-10. The project is anticipated to be funded by a grant from the State of Oklahoma, as well as rent concessions over time from Will Rogers World Airport.

Link: https://www.aarcorp.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023/aar-announces-extension-and-expansion-of-alaska-airlines-mro-relationship-expected-facility-expansion-in-oklahoma-city/#:~:text=The%20proposed%20new%20hangar%20will,from %20Will%20Rogers%20World%20Airport..
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HOT ROD
01-02-2024, 03:15 PM
wonderful. hopefully OKC AAR can get more work from other airlines.

Jeepnokc
02-21-2024, 09:19 AM
Hatch Early Mood Food has officially opened at airport. Not positive of closing time but opens at 530 am and will be open all day. Can't wait to try it.

bison34
02-21-2024, 01:44 PM
Guess the airport is in the process of designing a new parking garage. Much needed, IMO.

BoulderSooner
02-21-2024, 04:04 PM
Guess the airport is in the process of designing a new parking garage. Much needed, IMO.

going next to the other 3??

BoulderSooner
02-21-2024, 04:08 PM
Guess the airport is in the process of designing a new parking garage. Much needed, IMO.

estimated cost 36.5 million dollars

bison34
02-21-2024, 04:34 PM
going next to the other 3??

Not sure where. I just saw it in their meeting minute packet.

Bowser214
02-22-2024, 08:02 PM
Will Rogers World Airport to offer international flights in Oklahoma City with new center

https://okcfox.com/amp/news/local/will-rogers-world-airport-to-open-up-international-flights-in-oklahoma-city-airport-trust-customs-and-border-protections-new-service-milestone-for-community

unfundedrick
02-22-2024, 09:09 PM
Will Rogers World Airport to offer international flights in Oklahoma City with new center

https://okcfox.com/amp/news/local/will-rogers-world-airport-to-open-up-international-flights-in-oklahoma-city-airport-trust-customs-and-border-protections-new-service-milestone-for-community

They are furthering the possibility of offering international flights anyway. This has been planned since the last airport expansion.

Jeepnokc
02-22-2024, 09:53 PM
They are furthering the possibility of offering international flights anyway. This has been planned since the last airport expansion.

Hopefully it is a "If you build it....they will come" scenario but not holding my breath.

Richard at Remax
02-23-2024, 10:33 AM
The optimist in me looks at this and says they must have some sort of incentive to finally get this done. On the other hand, it's probably going to take an incentive to get some sort of international flight.

If I had to guess I would say a one or twice weekly to Cancun (Thurs & Sun / Friday & Mon), most likely Frontier or Southwest.

My not holding my breath 2nd guess would be a once or twice weekly to Mexico City with AeroMexico. I know Delta hasn't shown a ton of love to OKC lately, but they are a partner with them. The international gate is right there where all the Delta gates are. Just makes too much sense.

TornadoKegan
02-23-2024, 09:09 PM
The optimist in me looks at this and says they must have some sort of incentive to finally get this done. On the other hand, it's probably going to take an incentive to get some sort of international flight.

If I had to guess I would say a one or twice weekly to Cancun (Thurs & Sun / Friday & Mon), most likely Frontier or Southwest.

My not holding my breath 2nd guess would be a once or twice weekly to Mexico City with AeroMexico. I know Delta hasn't shown a ton of love to OKC lately, but they are a partner with them. The international gate is right there where all the Delta gates are. Just makes too much sense.

Cancun was my guess for first international flights

Bellaboo
02-24-2024, 08:50 AM
Channel 5 had a story about international flights. Airport director said possibly Mexico first, Caribbean next, then Central America.

Story was about the Customs area being completed late 2024 and flights possible early 2025.

Laramie
02-24-2024, 10:17 AM
Channel 5 had a story about international flights. Airport director said possibly Mexico first, Caribbean next, then Central America.

Story was about the Customs area being completed late 2024 and flights possible early 2025.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJKio9fM-MM

PhiAlpha
02-25-2024, 08:49 AM
Am I the only person here who, while I think it would be cool, doesn’t really care at all whether we get an international flight? Not that it’s an either/or situation but if I had to choose, I’d rather we beef up our domestic non-stop options before moving beyond the borders. There seems to be an obsession with getting even a single international vacation option that I don’t really understand. Would it be cool? Sure. But does anyone here go to Cancun multiple times, or even once, a year?

Jeepnokc
02-25-2024, 09:55 AM
Am I the only person here who, while I think it would be cool, doesn’t really care at all whether we get an international flight? Not that it’s an either/or situation but if I had to choose, I’d rather we beef up our domestic non-stop options before moving beyond the borders. There seems to be an obsession with getting even a single international vacation option that I don’t really understand. Would it be cool? Sure. But does anyone here go to Cancun multiple times, or even once, a year?

I agree that i just want more non stops to any major destination domestic or international. However, I think more people would go to Cancun or other major destinations if it was easier to get to. I have friends that live in detroit and they do 3-4 day weekends to paris several times a year as it is easy for them to get there. We have started going to NYC more now that Delta has the non stop to LGA. Our second trip this year is planned for June for Billy Joel at MSG.