65-13 (2000)
63-14 (2003)
63-21 (2012)

Impressive!

It is still a big route

Oh, I know. I was just being tongue in cheek in how even 42 doesn't reflect how bad Texas was/good OU was.

Oh, I know. I was just being tongue in cheek in how even 42 doesn't reflect how bad Texas was/good OU was.

Got it

I can not wait until Landry is gone, he is overrated

How can you seriously say that the quarterback with the most wins in OU history, owns a majority of school records, is overrated.

How can you seriously say that the quarterback with the most wins in OU history, owns a majority of school records, is overrated.

I do not know, I always thought Landry is overrated! Sam Bradford, Jason White, and Josh Heupel are better than Landry

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Another favorite gif of mine and the girl is cute too!

Loved a quote I saw on an article about the game


One of the great sights in college football! The Cotton Bowl, evenly divided. Crimson and Cream on one side, concrete and aluminum on the other!

Love this statistic! Best rivalry in college football hands down!
http://i.imgur.com/4zRRw.jpg

I do not know, I always thought Landry is overrated! Sam Bradford, Jason White, and Josh Heupel are better than Landry

Just because other QBs are better does not mean Landry is overrated. Probably half of OU fans didn't even want Landry to come back for his senior year. Since Landry is not "rated" very highly by most fans, I don't think I would say he is overrated. In fact, since people are so often down on him I'd say he's slightly underrated.

Landry is not the perfect quarterback - slow feet, doesn't carry out his fakes, occasionally gets rattled - but he has good pocket presence, the best arm strength and throws the best deep ball of any OU quarterback ever.

Love this statistic! Best rivalry in college football hands down!
http://i.imgur.com/4zRRw.jpg

It’s not just the rankings of the 2 teams, or the neutral site, it’s also the State Fair that no other major game has that all combine to make this so great for the fans….. The total evenviorment is much better than any other big game or bowl game. The game still means a lot even when both teams are having down years.
They plan on adding another 4000 or so seats to the stadium.

Landry is not the perfect quarterback - slow feet, doesn't carry out his fakes, occasionally gets rattled - but he has good pocket presence, the best arm strength and throws the best deep ball of any OU quarterback ever.

There is a great amount of agreement that OU’s best ever deep ball thrower ever was Jason White followed by Sam Bradford.

Right now OU is one of the top university’s for the development of QB prospects.

For those who are concerned with OU’s QB depth OU is well stocked with young prospects at the QB position.
All are greater threats to run than Landry, Hyble, Thomson, White, or Bradford.

According to reports 2 would be very significant running threats.
In time they will have the best collection of receivers that I have ever seen at OU.

Landry is not the perfect quarterback - slow feet, doesn't carry out his fakes, occasionally gets rattled - but he has good pocket presence, the best arm strength and throws the best deep ball of any OU quarterback ever.

Uh, no. Jason White threw a way better deep ball than Landry. Bradford's was better too.

Uh, no. Jason White threw a way better deep ball than Landry. Bradford's was better too.

I somewhat agree with your thesis, but I would counter that White had better deep-threat receivers than Landry has had overall. Broyles was a stud but didn't have blinding speed like Mark Bradley and Clayton had.

Landry has a much better arm than White did, and is capable of making throws very few QBs are capable of making. Bradford was similar in that regard, if slightly better.

Jones is the winningest QB in OU history. It's embarrassing as an OU fan to hear so many ignorami unfairly criticize him. The guy's one of the best QBs in our history and knuckledraggers are complaining about him? Why on earth if you were a stud high school QB would you want to play in front of fans like that?

Landry is undefeated as a starter against Texas!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in bowl games!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in Big 12 Championship games!
Landry owns virtually every OU passing record!
Landry is the winningest QB in Oklahoma football history!

Yeah, he hasn't proven it on the field. He really sucks.

What color is the sky in your world?

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

Not even close. Geno Smith alone beats him out.

There is a great amount of agreement that OU’s best ever deep ball thrower ever was Jason White followed by Sam Bradford.

Bradford hands down was the best.......................

I somewhat agree with your thesis, but I would counter that White had better deep-threat receivers than Landry has had overall. Broyles was a stud but didn't have blinding speed like Mark Bradley and Clayton had.

Landry has a much better arm than White did, and is capable of making throws very few QBs are capable of making. Bradford was similar in that regard, if slightly better.

Jones is the winningest QB in OU history. It's embarrassing as an OU fan to hear so many ignorami unfairly criticize him. The guy's one of the best QBs in our history and knuckledraggers are complaining about him? Why on earth if you were a stud high school QB would you want to play in front of fans like that?

Landry is undefeated as a starter against Texas!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in bowl games!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in Big 12 Championship games!
Landry owns virtually every OU passing record!
Landry is the winningest QB in Oklahoma football history!

Yeah, he hasn't proven it on the field. He really sucks.

What color is the sky in your world?

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

Based on what criteria? White was a great college QB, and deserved to win the Heisman. He finished 3rd the year after.

double post

only 1 conf championship against a terrible Colorado team .. horrible play in both MNC championship games .... very few "clutch" moments ...

and NFL talent all around him .. at WR rb and oline .. of course then he "retired" from the nfl with out playing in 1 preseason game

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

Well said!

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

Hell no he is not

Bradford hands down was the best.......................

I thought Jason White has the best ever deep ball thrower, Sam Bradford is a very close 2nd

I somewhat agree with your thesis, but I would counter that White had better deep-threat receivers than Landry has had overall. Broyles was a stud but didn't have blinding speed like Mark Bradley and Clayton had.

Landry has a much better arm than White did, and is capable of making throws very few QBs are capable of making. Bradford was similar in that regard, if slightly better.

Jones is the winningest QB in OU history. It's embarrassing as an OU fan to hear so many ignorami unfairly criticize him. The guy's one of the best QBs in our history and knuckledraggers are complaining about him? Why on earth if you were a stud high school QB would you want to play in front of fans like that?

Landry is undefeated as a starter against Texas!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in bowl games!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in Big 12 Championship games!
Landry owns virtually every OU passing record!
Landry is the winningest QB in Oklahoma football history!

Yeah, he hasn't proven it on the field. He really sucks.

What color is the sky in your world?

Landry is just okay. Not bad, but not great either. The only reason his name is plastered in your list is because he stayed for 4 years. Hypel was here just 2 and Bradford played 3. White seemed like he was here about 10 years but that was because he was always hurt. How many times has Landry fumbled inside the red zone ?........several, and this years K-State fumble killed us. In this case, the numbers lie.

Your sky must be heavily tarnished in red.

I thought Jason White has the best ever deep ball thrower, Sam Bradford is a very close 2nd

Sam Bradford had the highest pro-day rating of any OU quarterback ever. He had a 97% completion ratio with the only drop a catchable ball.

White was a good deep passer, but not near as accurate as Bradford.... and Bradford has played a few downs in the NFL.

only 1 conf championship against a terrible Colorado team .. horrible play in both MNC championship games .... very few "clutch" moments ...

and NFL talent all around him .. at WR rb and oline .. of course then he "retired" from the nfl with out playing in 1 preseason game

He retired from the NFL because of his knees which he had 2 surgeries from tearing his acl in both knees

only 1 conf championship against a terrible Colorado team .. horrible play in both MNC championship games .... very few "clutch" moments ...

and NFL talent all around him .. at WR rb and oline .. of course then he "retired" from the nfl with out playing in 1 preseason game

Well, first, no one is saying that he is a great NFL QB so that's just a strawman. Secondly, he made plentry of clutch plays. Here are some examples:

Hostile environment, late in the season... stepped up in the pocket for the game winner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO7pZqkiBLA

Third, your criteria are just conference championship games and national championship games?!? That makes sense?!? Do you punish all the QBs who couldn't even get their teams there? White was a great college QB, but no one claims he is a top 5 QB of all time or anything. I feel that because he did not have a great NFL career that he is actually underrated. He threw an incredibly accruate deep ball, he made great decisions, had exceptional pocket presence, and he made very few mistakes. If you want to pick him apart for a few bad games then I can show you a ton of well respected QBs who had way worse games.

So, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I watched every game Jason White played at OU and he was a great college QB that is largely forgotten by most of the country. He is actually underrated.

Here's an example of a beautiful Jason White deep ball in a hostile environment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuePqhjmpNA

And, finally, Jason White didn't make a bunch of clutch plays because OU was busy blowing teams out... Should he be punished for that?!? Here's a ton of highlights of him severely outplaying Vince Young:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHB7mcs1ykw

Sam Bradford had the highest pro-day rating of any OU quarterback ever. He had a 97% completion ratio with the only drop a catchable ball.

White was a good deep passer, but not near as accurate as Bradford.... and Bradford has played a few downs in the NFL.

First, there's a big difference between pro-day and gameday. Bradford was the most accurate passer in OU history without question, but I still think Jason White edge's him out on true deep balls.

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

OK. I'll play. Name all of these "awful games" he's had. Last season he only played badly against OSU. The other losses were because of that sieve we called a defense with Venables in charge.

I recall Sam Bradford and Jason White having "awful" games too. Remember Sam choking it off against Colorado? Remember White in both national championship games and in the Big 12 title game against K-State? Remember Heupel's game against Colorado in Stoops' first season? All QBs have bad games from time to time, but you cannot argue that being OU's winningest QB in history is not great. That would be idiotic.

Landry is just okay. Not bad, but not great either. The only reason his name is plastered in your list is because he stayed for 4 years. Hypel was here just 2 and Bradford played 3. White seemed like he was here about 10 years but that was because he was always hurt. How many times has Landry fumbled inside the red zone ?........several, and this years K-State fumble killed us. In this case, the numbers lie.

Your sky must be heavily tarnished in red.

OK. Tell me how many times he's fumbled in the red zone. I can think of two or three times in a four-year career. Big whoop.

So your argument is that actual records and stats are not to be believed but we should just ignore the facts and trust your expert opinion instead? That makes no sense. And if I'm going to trust someone's subjective opinion, I'll take Barry Switzer's over yours. He says Landry is a stud, and he knows a little bit more about quality QB play than you do.

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

Oh, so you're saying Broyles dialed up a sub 4.4 40 at the combine like Clayton? Wrong.

Oh, so you're saying Broyles dialed up a sub 4.4 40 at the combine like Clayton? Wrong.

Provide a source please.

This is hilarious. Landry has had more awful games than Heupel, White, and Bradford combined. In 2009 at Nebraska, Landry threw 5 interceptions to 0 TDs. I don't think any of the other QBs ever threw more than 2 INTs w/out a TD. Landry was abysmal against OSU last year (unforced fumble, INTs). Landry did not lead the offense to a TD in either of those games. Besides Baylor, Landry did not have a good game in his last 5 games last year. This is off the top of my head... It's ridiculous that this is even a conversation. You really can't know much about football to seriously contend they Landry is in the class of OU's recent Heisman winners and runner-up.

Oh, so you're saying Broyles dialed up a sub 4.4 40 at the combine like Clayton? Wrong.

10 seconds of googling showed that you just make up stuff: SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Mark Clayton (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/80670.html?mobile=n)

Did you think no one would check to see if you're just making up stuff?

He was tested at a high of 4.41 in a different run.

This was the most disappointing loss for a Texas team coming into the Cotton Bowl in years. As a life-long Sooner fan and alum; my relatives in Texas were sick to their stomachs and had major sleeping problems after the game. I didn't have the heart to rub it in; nor did I have too. I actually felt sorry for UT and their fans.

Everyone was expecting this game to be competitive. What a letdown!

I hope they give Mack Brown at least another year before they retire him to the position as Texas' Athletic Director.

Bradford was the most accurate passer in OU history without question, but I still think Jason White edge's him out on true deep balls.


This^
According to several coaches and others who do this for a living (who know far more than fans) White was the more accurate deep ball passer.

At one point even Bradford admitted this. But over all Bradford was the better QB.. He had healthy knees and more mobility. Bradford had a better ability to see the field and find an open receiver. With Bradford’s very high IQ he never made the same mistake twice.


Several are still pretty raw, but improving, but in time I think that most of us will say that this young group of receivers coming up is the best group in school history. (In time)

If OU can find /develop some good OL and very good DT’s OU has a chance to go on another run of great football even by OU standards. But the linemen issue is a very big unknown at this point.

Everyone was expecting this game to be competitive.

Not me…

I didn’t expect the margin to be as great but I did expect to see a comfortable OU win.

Why…. Texas is a fundamentally unsound football team in several ways. They are also soft and not very well motivated or well coached. They had just played in 2 previous emotional games that were close but against teams that are not anywhere as physical as OU.
They were well set up to take a butt kicking.

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...


Not even close. Geno Smith alone beats him out.

Gino Torretta and Chris Weinke say hi

I agree with everything you said, OU48A. This group of WRs is really special and, unless someone like Stills leaves early (very unlikely), they should be even better next year with the possible addition of Courtney Gardner. The depth at WR is astounding.

My biggest concern now, and in the future, is the defensive front 7. If the d-line and LBers can can make plays more consistently then OU has a really bright future for this season and the next couple...

Gino Torretta and Chris Weinke say hi

gino toretta is right there with him ..... weinke won a national championship

I agree with everything you said, OU48A. This group of WRs is really special and, unless someone like Stills leaves early (very unlikely), they should be even better next year with the possible addition of Courtney Gardner. The depth at WR is astounding.

My biggest concern now, and in the future, is the defensive front 7. If the d-line and LBers can can make plays more consistently then OU has a really bright future for this season and the next couple...

Wr will be very good with or with out stills next year ... Gardner will be here in Jan ..

biggest position of concern is DT for next season ... OU is going strong after 1 or 2 Juco DT's

OK. Tell me how many times he's fumbled in the red zone. I can think of two or three times in a four-year career. Big whoop.

So your argument is that actual records and stats are not to be believed but we should just ignore the facts and trust your expert opinion instead? That makes no sense. And if I'm going to trust someone's subjective opinion, I'll take Barry Switzer's over yours. He says Landry is a stud, and he knows a little bit more about quality QB play than you do.

Do I need to use crayons for you to understand. Barry is talking good about Jones because it's the politically correct thing to do, but he knows he's not championship calibur. Landry is a good young man and an above average quarterback, but he is NOT the best we've ever had just because of a bunch of misleading stats.

Here's the bet.........Is Landry going to be picked in the first round ? Probably not but could sneak in as a second round pick. If he's the 'best', then he should go as the first pick in the draft such as Sam Bradford........???

I think you better change your name tag from guru because you have absolutly NO clue on the subject. Stop being so small minded.

Barry Switzer also promoted John Blake as the perfect fit......and we all know how that worked out don't we.....

I attended my first OU game in 1959, and the first year to hold season tickets was in the Selmon years of '74 & '75. When was your first year ?

You need to remove your rose colored glasses and join reality, and quit being impressed by a bunch of useless and pointless stats.

I'm not at all accustomed to sports threads here, but I'm going to join in... :)

On OU 63, Texas 21...
First, anyone who has watched football at any level should realize that Texas is an absolute disaster right now. Brown freaked out two years ago, jettisoned his OC and DC (mostly because the fans were hysterical), and brought in two hot names that are proving to be unable to construct legitimate offenses or defenses.

Look at the way Texas schemes everyone. Blitz. Blitz left. Blitz right. Blitz middle. Blitz a corner. Blitz a DE. When an OC with a diverse and even above-average OL talent sees that on film, he licks his chops, because his film study will tell him exactly how to recognize it and attack it. He knows he'll have single coverage with lots of wide-open receivers, and running backs that, if they get past the line, will gallop for close to ten yards a carry. The result is a 63-point beatdown, a fullback with 100+ receiving yards, running backs with 95-yard touchdown runs, and just shy of 700 yards of offense.

What's worse for that same defense is that it doesn't teach good fundamentals. You spend so much time gambling on your different blitz schemes that you forget positioning, footwork, angles, tackling, pursuit, and the result is the defense Texas tossed out there last Saturday. Blitzing is one part of a diverse defensive package. But when you, in effect, make it your base defense, you can look good against lousy offenses, but a good offense will embarrass you. Look at the number of times Texas LB's and DE's were simply out of position, used horrendous technique, didn't square up, grabbed jerseys, forearm-tackled, the whole bit. All that is a consequence of this Diaz defense. Even if Mack sticks around another year, which he may well, I can't see Diaz returning as DC. That experiment has been a grand failure by any measure.

Texas' offense isn't much better. Their OC, Bryan Harsin, whom Brown brought in from Boise to run their little pinball machine offense, found out that you can't live on jet sweeps and trick plays when the guys across the line are fundamentally sound and physically superior. And while I was never in the "Fire Venables" crowd, the one thing that is unmistakable as we hit midseason is that Mike Stoops has been *screaming* fundamentals the face of his defense. I think it was DE David King who was saying Stoops has been blaring "hit the gap, make the tackle" all season. Harsin even admitted he had to take all the variations on his "Jet sweeps" out of his offensive game plan because OU was set up to stop it from the word go. Stoops found multiple ways to get in David Ash's face and get OL penetration to stop the run. After that, there's not much left, especially when you have really good secondary play - and Aaron Colvin is becoming a shutdown corner.

Keep in mind that this game was a physical offensive domination by OU, and that just doesn't happen against Texas. Heck, last year, 21 of OU's 55 points were defensive. This year, OU's offense turned UT's defense black and blue. Yeah, Jones gave up a pick-six, but at least 47% of that went on Stills for not coming back to the ball on what was almost certainly intended to be a curl route where he didn't curl, which makes for an easy pick that makes the QB look foolish and makes radio callers clamor for Landry's head, which is even more foolish.

Texas has some hard soul searching to do. Mack Brown is universally considered a super guy, a great representative for UT in fundraising circles, and any coach with Brown's resume, which includes a national title, gets lots of leeway to overcome bad years from the big money folks. Problem is, he's already overhauled his staff once, and the results have been disastrous. He looked ridiculous at times out there Saturday, arguing with the refs about calls when he was down 30, or frantically calling timeouts down 49 points to get a play off with 7 seconds left. I think its even starting to embarrass the Texas faithful. Texas has too many resources, too much backing, too much of everything to allow their program to be this average on an ongoing basis. I thought Mack would retire a couple of years ago, but he didn't, and ultimately UT isn't my problem, and reveling in 40-point blowOUts is the prize!


Ranking the OU QB's
First, having seen QB's all the way back to Steve Davis, I think for overall arm strength and accuracy, Sam Bradford edges out Jason White by just a bit. On strength alone, I'd lean toward White. To criticize White because he didn't play in the NFL is shortsighted, because it was essentially a given that his knees, both surgically repaired, simply couldn't hold up to an NFL regimen. His tryout was a courtesy. Jason didn't often practice during the weeks of his senior year because his knees simply couldn't stand the strain.

In terms of arm strength, I think Jones may actually have a stronger arm than Bradford, but he's not as consistently accurate. If he has time to set up, he can lay in a ball in a bucket 50 yards downfield, but not so much under pressure. Bradford could sense pressure better, react better, and still throw an accurate ball. Same for White. Its an intangible you just can't coach, kinda like speed.

FWIW, Heupel had the worst arm strength of *any* of them, and it wasn't close. There was a reason he was brought in from a JUCO to run that Leach offense, because 80% of its offense were throws not more than 10-15 yards downfield. That's not meant as a knock on Heupel, its just a fact. And its also why he had almost no chance at a pro career, despite the Miami tryout, because he couldn't make the hashmark-to-sideline throws NFL QB's have to be able to make - and that requires arm strength.

Rest of the season
I've always tried to be a realistic OU fan. On that basis, I can say OU has a chance to run the table. They also have a chance to lose two or three more games. The team that showed up Saturday, with the intensity and preparation, can beat just about anyone with the possible exception of an Alabama or an Oregon. If they maintain the level of confidence and fire they showed in Dallas, which I haven't seen in a LONG time, they'll be able to compete with anyone.

Anyway, sorry for the lengthy post, just surprised to see an OU sports post here. Couldn't help but chime in. :)

Boomer!!!!

Spot on Soonerdave.....

for anyone to say the jwhite has better arm strength than sam is laughable .... white had a better arm than josh and a better arm that PT and that is it in the stoops era


the Texas O is much much better they have lit up every team they have played this year except OU and i would expect them to continue to play well

for anyone to say the jwhite has better arm strength than sam is laughable .... white had a better arm than josh and a better arm that PT and that is it in the stoops era


Just an opinion. You're welcome to yours.



the Texas O is much much better they have lit up every team they have played this year except OU and i would expect them to continue to play well

They've lit up every bad defense they've faced. Their entire season resume up to last week was a mirage of scheduling and hype. When confronted with a defense of roughly equal talent, they were dominated. Yes, Texas' offense is better than their defense, but that's kinda like comparing the smell of the smoke from two burning sofas.

for anyone to say the jwhite has better arm strength than sam is laughable .... white had a better arm than josh and a better arm that PT and that is it in the stoops era


the Texas O is much much better they have lit up every team they have played this year except OU and i would expect them to continue to play well

I am not saying that Jason White has better arm strength. What I am saying is that he threw a more accurate deep ball. This was a fact that was acknowledged by several analyzed / coaches.

There is a big difference between accuracy and arm strength.
I once knew somebody who would stand in the middle of the football field and throw the ball about 80 yards but it was anybody’s guess as to witch hash mark it would land on. He was a good boxer.
Josh Heupel had an comparitivly week arm but he was a very accurate thrower.

Texas is a fundamentally unsound and soft football team.
There blocking and tackling is atrocious.
They will beat some teams just because they are faster.

There isn’t a university who has more built in natural advantages than UT. They get 90% of the pick of litter from their home state.
For everything they have UT has been massive underachievers and that’s why we should hope they keep Mack forever.

Well, you can tell who knows a little about (OU) football (SoonerDave and OU48) and who doesn't (BoulderSooner and SoonerGuru) just by reading a few posts.

Well, you can tell who knows a little about (OU) football (SoonerDave and OU48) and who doesn't (BoulderSooner and SoonerGuru) just by reading a few posts.

Thanks... But I am certainly not an expert but I have been following OU football for 49 years since the age of 5. I have been a continuous season ticket holder for 33 years, but there is still a lot that I don’t know.

If wanting to learn more the best local source of pure football knowledge and of OU football is the new radio show called “The Rush” with Teddy Lehman & Dusty Dvoracek. It’s far better than anything else on the radio in our market.

They can be heard on 1340 AM and 1400 AM at 2pm. They have other stations around the state.


For more information or to listen live click the link.
The Sports Talk Network Oklahoma | Statewide Radio Coverage of OU Sooners Sports (http://sportstalknetworkok.com/)

Do I need to use crayons for you to understand. Barry is talking good about Jones because it's the politically correct thing to do, but he knows he's not championship calibur. Landry is a good young man and an above average quarterback, but he is NOT the best we've ever had just because of a bunch of misleading stats.

Here's the bet.........Is Landry going to be picked in the first round ? Probably not but could sneak in as a second round pick. If he's the 'best', then he should go as the first pick in the draft such as Sam Bradford........???

I think you better change your name tag from guru because you have absolutly NO clue on the subject. Stop being so small minded.

Barry Switzer also promoted John Blake as the perfect fit......and we all know how that worked out don't we.....

I attended my first OU game in 1959, and the first year to hold season tickets was in the Selmon years of '74 & '75. When was your first year ?

You need to remove your rose colored glasses and join reality, and quit being impressed by a bunch of useless and pointless stats.

I never said he was the "best," so stop putting words in my mouth. In fact, I ranked him fourth behind 1) Heupel (only QB to win a championship at OU in the Stoops era), 2) Bradford (duh), 3) White, and 4) Landry. All I'm saying is it is ridiculous to ignore his win/loss record, his arm strength and accuracy, and his performance in Texas, bowl and championship games. He is a very good QB who has performed far better than OU's idiotic fans will ever acknowledge.

I will never forget the big-time 3rd and 14 completion to Cameron Kenney against OSU in Stillwater. Great throw. And yes, he's had a few bad games, but so have all of OU's other great QBs.

Again, if you were an awesome high-school player and you read message forums criticizing Landry for everything from the angle of the sun to Baskin-Robbins ice cream, why would you want to play in front of our fan base?

Football is a results-based enterprise, based on wins and losses. From that alone, Landry rates highly.

The season is not over and I think he has more than enough to take OU to the title game, but the rest of the team will have to continue to play at a high level.

And you don't have to be such a jerk about your opinion ("Do I have to use crayons...). I've also been following OU football for several decades. You're entitled to your opinion but it's not necessarily right. For the record, you're saying that what Barry said is wrong, and I would take issue with that, as he is one of only two coaches to win championships at the college level as well as a Super Bowl.

The John Blake episode is at worst a "good old boy" thing with Barry. He is loyal to his friends. Landry is not one of Barry's friends, and Barry speaks his mind, so I see no reason that would suggest he would say that if he didn't mean it.

Well, you can tell who knows a little about (OU) football (SoonerDave and OU48) and who doesn't (BoulderSooner and SoonerGuru) just by reading a few posts.

Thanks :) Just a long-time fan here, but enjoy trying to understand the game at least a little deeper to know the reasons behind the wins and losses.

Well, you can tell who knows a little about (OU) football (SoonerDave and OU48) and who doesn't (BoulderSooner and SoonerGuru) just by reading a few posts.

Nice, so because we disagree with your point we don't know anything about OU football? Give me a break.

The biggest single liability Landry has is that he gets "nervous." He doesn't seem to have as refined a "sixth sense" a lot of top-tier quarterbacks have to "sense" pressure, and get away from it. That does NOT make him a "bad" quarterback at all. You have to adjust to his strengths and weaknesses.

One quote I read from him over the weekend that I think is both very good and very telling is that there was apparently some variety of pep talk or team meeting or coach discussion after the KSU game wherein the team in general (and I suspect Landry in particular) was told, frankly, to forget the fans, remember why they play the game, and to go out and have fun with it. And I don't think its merely a coincidence that the offense in general and Landry in particular have played their best two games of the season over the last two weeks.

The other intangible I saw at the Cotton Bowl on Saturday was the incredible energy on the OU sidelines. I mean energy like I haven't seen on the OU bench in probably three or four years.. maybe more. I don't know if its the return of Mike Stoops to the defense, or the renewed tandem of Stoops and Stoops, or fresh paint in the locker room, but that kind of energy IMHO gives an intangible to any team that makes them push the extra mile, make the extra play, to do the extra thing necessary to win ballgames you might otherwise not. Hope it continues.

Nice, so because we disagree with your point we don't know anything about OU football? Give me a break.

guru, you are the obnoxious one on this board, you set yourself up with all the blow hard know it all attitude and opinions......you must live and die for OU football. You probably are one of those that get ill when they lose.......i'm past that stage, have been for years.

It's high school + ONE.............. And quit putting exclamation marks behind the fact Landry has won a game or two if you think he's the 4th best..... I like him too, but life doesn't revolve around 20 year old kids.

Get past the jock sniffing......

How old are you anyways ? 30 maybe ?

The biggest single liability Landry has is that he gets "nervous." He doesn't seem to have as refined a "sixth sense" a lot of top-tier quarterbacks have to "sense" pressure, and get away from it. That does NOT make him a "bad" quarterback at all. You have to adjust to his strengths and weaknesses.

One quote I read from him over the weekend that I think is both very good and very telling is that there was apparently some variety of pep talk or team meeting or coach discussion after the KSU game wherein the team in general (and I suspect Landry in particular) was told, frankly, to forget the fans, remember why they play the game, and to go out and have fun with it. And I don't think its merely a coincidence that the offense in general and Landry in particular have played their best two games of the season over the last two weeks.

The other intangible I saw at the Cotton Bowl on Saturday was the incredible energy on the OU sidelines. I mean energy like I haven't seen on the OU bench in probably three or four years.. maybe more. I don't know if its the return of Mike Stoops to the defense, or the renewed tandem of Stoops and Stoops, or fresh paint in the locker room, but that kind of energy IMHO gives an intangible to any team that makes them push the extra mile, make the extra play, to do the extra thing necessary to win ballgames you might otherwise not. Hope it continues.

This^ is 100% accurate and a very high quality post.


Following the KSU loss Steve Davis wrote a letter to Landry. He told Landry to have fun and play like he was playing against the Carlsbad Cavemen. Since then Landry has been playing in a more relaxed way.

The rest of the team acts like they have ownership in the team now. There is a new intensity that I have not seen since the early 2000’s. Mike Stoops return is huge for the program.

Ironically some of the criticism coming from fans and the media may have helped better motive the team. When the players are giving the effort we have seen the past 2 games you won’t hear me complain very much win or lose.