I am a big OSU fan. What an exciting 2011 season. But the team cannot rely on last years success. I have a few questions for this upcoming season.

With OSU losing Blackmon and Weedon, what will the Cowboys look like this season on offense?

Will they even make the top 25 in the preseason poll?

Will this season show the true colors of Mike Gundy as a coach? Meaning, can He still win without the star power?

Will the defense be better than last year?

OSU will probably be ranked around 20 preseason, but it will be tough to finish there. It's always a transition losing top players, but they're also starting a true freshman at QB. If they finish top 20 then you really have to tip your cap to Gundy.

Should end up top 10 as they don't have a tough road game until Bedlam in November

little chance to be in the top 10 .... but they should be a solid 9-3 8-4 type ... a big step for osu to do that in a rebuilding year

I would think they should be a top 25 preseason but wouldn't be surprised if not.
Defense will be better and has a chance to be best OSU D within the last 10-15 years. The secondary is probably the best in the big 12, just need some guys to step up on the D line.
Offense will likely go as the freshman QB goes. Will still put up points with a great O line and running backs. They need some WR grow up quick, as well as Wes Lunt.

7 wins=disappointing
8-9 wins=satisfactory
10 or more=great season

this the D will be better thing i'm not sure i buy ... they lost there best DB and both Dends ...

now could it be better ... maybe .. but calvin barnett better be the real deal .. and the new dends better get to the other teams qb

this the D will be better thing i'm not sure i buy ... they lost there best DB and both Dends ...

now could it be better ... maybe .. but calvin barnett better be the real deal .. and the new dends better get to the other teams qb
The linebackers and secondary will be the strength but as I said, D line has some questions. Sure they lost Markelle Martin at safety but still have Daytawion Lowe there and Gilbert and Brown are all conference type corners. I think they can be ok at D end but having Barnett and someone else step up at DT will be key.
I still think it will be best D at OSU in a long time. There's not much history for OSU on that side of the ball

this the D will be better thing i'm not sure i buy ... they lost there best DB and both Dends ...

now could it be better ... maybe .. but calvin barnett better be the real deal .. and the new dends better get to the other teams qb

This. But they've always had the best linemen in the conf, their coach Wickline is fantastic - UT wanted him and couldn't pay him enough bc OSU countered.

I agree with the idea that this will really show how much Gundy is worth. I think Gundy is worth a lot - but OSU may be the biggest question mark in all of NCAA IMO, they could be great, they could be average. I think there will be a lot of close games.

Don't forget the Big 12 is stacked this year. OU, TCU, WVU, KSU, and OSU will all be viable conference champion contenders. The champion will be in the MNC.

the osu oline and wr are huge ? marks as well as the QB ...

i will say your right about Wickline he is a great oline coach ... and i'm sure he will put a good unit on the field ..

Phil Steele who is considered the big preseason preseason picker ahead of the AP has picked OSU at #12. In all honesty, as an OSU fan, I think that's too high. As mentioned previously, #17-20 would be a good spot. Yeah, we have returning starters but we also have a QB coming in that has played 0 college games. I predict 8-4 this season.

If OSU can pull off 8-4 years when they're down then that's quite a turn around for this program. That used to be a dream season.

What outsiders don't understand about OSU though is that the talent pool within the program is technically better than the starters that were there when Gundy took over the program. It's all about game experience and with the big blowouts that OSU generated for the first half of the season, a lot of back up guys got playing time. I wouldn't be surprised if they went 9-3.

I know OSU fans aren't used to blowouts, but I can promise as an OU fan, that just putting young players on the field guarantee anything. Have fun with that though.

So you don't agree that game time experience is invaluable for any player on any team? SMH

Valuable - yes, blowout minutes being enough preparation to takeover starters positions and thrive at the next level - no. Even being better positioned to recruit talent than in the past, this is going to be a rebuilding year.

So you don't agree that game time experience is invaluable for any player on any team? SMH

Playing time is good, but it doesn't guarantee success like you seem to think.

So you don't agree that game time experience is invaluable for any player on any team? SMH
Some experience is always better than no experience but in blowout time the same kind of pressure to perform isn't there like it is in a tight game. Most of the times in blowout situations the backups are playing against a tired, worn out and demoralized team. It is hard to match intensity in that situation. Most of the old OU or Nebraska blowouts in the wishbone/option days were fairly tight in the first half before exploding in the second half due to wearing down a team in the first half, then when the backups came in they looked all-world because the level of competition dropped off. There have been many a player who performed well in an OU blowout who peed down there leg when thrown into a tight situation.

I think OSU will have a good year but I don't expect them to have the same level of success just because of the youth at critical positions. I do think Gundy is an underrated coach and has done a tremendous job there, the most important thing was relieving himself of play calling duties and hiring an offensive coordinator, the job as it is now demands focusing on one job, not two. A play calling head coach is a detriment to most programs, I think it can work at a lower level because the demands on a 50-100 ranked team is just not the same as a Top 25 team.

Playing time is good, but it doesn't guarantee success like you seem to think.

Okay..but anything less than 8 wins to me is failure. OSU has put themselves on another level. Success to you OU fans is undefeate or 1 loss. I didn't say OSU was perfect, just that if those 2nd stringers had had no playing time that they would still be worthy but they'd be less experienced.

Feel like I need to pull a Mark Rogers on you guys and have that crack open and pour a beer sound effect...

Okay..but anything less than 8 wins to me is failure. OSU has put themselves on another level.
I agree, they are no longer what they were years ago and especially when my cousin was a GA on the 0-10-1 team.

My hopes for OU every year is an undefeated season but I also realize that just isn't practical, I just hope they do well and understand that odd things can happen (like the Tech game last year) and it really takes everything falling into place to have that type of season. You have to have minimal injuries, turnovers and calls and everything going just right to achieve that kind of season.

Well you Cowboy fans might as well put the "L" on your calenders for bedlam so it wont be much of a heartbreak when it happends.

Well you Cowboy fans might as well put the "L" on your calenders for bedlam so it wont be much of a heartbreak when it happends.

I think you forget that you still have Landry Jones. OU (unfortunately in my eyes) has some very badass players, but they can only prop up Landry so much. It seems that Landry has gotten worse every year he has played.

Maybe if you all keep taking the ball away from him anytime he smells the 25 yd line, yall will have a chance at going to the playoff this year, but if not, get ready for some bad losses.

Noone will be able to convince me that LJ is a top flight player on his own, he has always had the cast to back him up. He had broyles last year who made him look like a stud. A drunk elephant could have been throwing balls on the field and Broyles would have made it look good. Lets all be honest about this.

I think you forget that you still have Landry Jones. OU (unfortunately in my eyes) has some very badass players, but they can only prop up Landry so much. It seems that Landry has gotten worse every year he has played.

Maybe if you all keep taking the ball away from him anytime he smells the 25 yd line, yall will have a chance at going to the playoff this year, but if not, get ready for some bad losses.

Noone will be able to convince me that LJ is a top flight player on his own, he has always had the cast to back him up. He had broyles last year who made him look like a stud. A drunk elephant could have been throwing balls on the field and Broyles would have made it look good. Lets all be honest about this.

Let me guess...You don't feel the same about Weeden having Blackmon

Let me guess...You don't feel the same about Weeden having Blackmon

Guess we will see this year in the NFL.

Guess we will see this year in the NFL.

LJ would have gone about 10 picks higher than the 29 year old

LJ would have gone about 10 picks higher than the 29 year old

Do you honestly believe that Landry is worthy of the 14th pick of any NFL draft? You might be the only Cowboy or Sooner fan to actually think that. But then again you never know with NFL GMs, I sure as hell didnt think Tannehill was top 10 caliber.

And sure Blackmon made it easier for Weeden but Weeden has a canon and was zipping passes in tight windows to lots of players not named Blackmon. A good reciever doesnt make you the 3rd best team in the country, you have to have a good QB throwing it to him.

Do you honestly believe that Landry is worthy of the 14th pick of any NFL draft? You might be the only Cowboy or Sooner fan to actually think that. But then again you never know with NFL GMs, I sure as hell didnt think Tannehill was top 10 caliber.

And sure Blackmon made it easier for Weeden but Weeden has a canon and was zipping passes in tight windows to lots of players not named Blackmon. A good reciever doesnt make you the 3rd best team in the country, you have to have a good QB throwing it to him.

well LJ was and is a better QB than ryan tannehill ... and he went 8th in the draft

well LJ was and is a better QB than ryan tannehill ... and he went 8th in the draft

True... but a better point to make is who isn't better than tannehill.

Trying to say LJ will go high in the draft because he is better then tannehill is crazy talk. Try comaring LJ to someone who deserved to be in the draft and was not being drafted because he knows one of the coaches and has a hot wife.

LJ would have gone about 10 picks higher than the 29 year old

Way to knock this out of the park. Who would pick a 29 yr old? I totally didn't know he was old. I guess he must suck. I bet he needs a walker and probably needs someone else to run the ball into the end zone for him... oh wait...

True... but a better point to make is who isn't better than tannehill.

Trying to say LJ will go high in the draft because he is better then tannehill is crazy talk. Try comaring LJ to someone who deserved to be in the draft and was not being drafted because he knows one of the coaches and has a hot wife.

clearly you don't read about sports very much .. . LJ would have been in the top 10 of this draft .. there is little doubt

clearly you don't read about sports very much .. . LJ would have been in the top 10 of this draft .. there is little doubt

Based more on the need for QBs than talent. That's why Tannehill went 8th... Miami is so desperate for a QB to come in and stabalize that offense they were willing to take a (rather big) risk. They would have taken Jones over Tannehill, still would have been a risk (thought not as big).

And there are a lot of sooner fans that would have enjoyed him leaving the program. Oh well...

Based more on the need for QBs than talent. That's why Tannehill went 8th... Miami is so desperate for a QB to come in and stabalize that offense they were willing to take a (rather big) risk. They would have taken Jones over Tannehill, still would have been a risk (thought not as big).

exactly .. that is why QB's go higher than they should each and every year .... does any one really believe that christian ponder was a "first round talent" ....

and he went what? 12th in the draft

Landry is vastly underrated by OU's over critical fan base. This is a product of following Sam Bradford. Is Landry a Heisman caliber QB? Probably not. Does he show flashes of being the best QB in the country? Absolutely. Go watch the Texas or K-State games from last year. He was on another level. He is just streakier. He goes through phases where balls sail on him. It's even more absurd for OSU fans to bash Landry for what he did to them in 2010. His pass to Cameron Kenney on 3rd down to thwart OSU's comeback. That was a pass that had NFL QB written all over it.

Landry still needs to be more consistent, but to act like he's what is holding OU back is downright silly.

Landry is vastly underrated by OU's over critical fan base. This is a product of following Sam Bradford. Is Landry a Heisman caliber QB? Probably not. Does he show flashes of being the best QB in the country? Absolutely. Go watch the Texas or K-State games from last year. He was on another level. He is just streakier. He goes through phases where balls sail on him. It's even more absurd for OSU fans to bash Landry for what he did to them in 2010. His pass to Cameron Kenney on 3rd down to thwart OSU's comeback. That was a pass that had NFL QB written all over it.

Landry still needs to be more consistent, but to act like he's what is holding OU back is downright silly.

Good post
It’s only a very small number of OU fans who excessively bash Landry. Many of Landry’s worst critics are not even OU fans and are guilty of wishful thinking. It’s always been that way……

Sure, Landry has areas of his game that need improvement but he is the best OU has right now.
Many of Landry’s problems can be traced back to an OU offensive line that’s been inconsistent with depth and quality. There is more OL competition than in a long time and with another off season of weight and conditioning I expect to see a much improved OL. They should be more physical at the point of attack by noticeable amounts. Landry’s receivers are very young but they are said to be the most athletic receiving group ever at OU. How quickly they mature is a big key to the season.

I love how the OSU thread turns into boomer talk. How bout them Golden Hurricanes?!

I love how the OSU thread turns into boomer talk. How bout them Golden Hurricanes?!

Naw man, it's all about Tulsa Union and Southmoore.

I love how the OSU thread turns into boomer talk. How bout them Golden Hurricanes?!

No doubt. There is a reason you don't see many OSU threads here, OU fans always like to chime in with something like "better go ahead and put a L down for bedlam."

No doubt. There is a reason you don't see many OSU threads here, OU fans always like to chime in with something like "better go ahead and put a L down for bedlam."

This looks like the following was where the thread started to turn directions


I think you forget that you still have Landry Jones. OU (unfortunately in my eyes) has some very badass players, but they can only prop up Landry so much. It seems that Landry has gotten worse every year he has played.

Maybe if you all keep taking the ball away from him anytime he smells the 25 yd line, yall will have a chance at going to the playoff this year, but if not, get ready for some bad losses.

Noone will be able to convince me that LJ is a top flight player on his own, he has always had the cast to back him up. He had broyles last year who made him look like a stud. A drunk elephant could have been throwing balls on the field and Broyles would have made it look good. Lets all be honest about this.

I think you forget that you still have Landry Jones. OU (unfortunately in my eyes) has some very badass players, but they can only prop up Landry so much. It seems that Landry has gotten worse every year he has played.

Maybe if you all keep taking the ball away from him anytime he smells the 25 yd line, yall will have a chance at going to the playoff this year, but if not, get ready for some bad losses.

Noone will be able to convince me that LJ is a top flight player on his own, he has always had the cast to back him up. He had broyles last year who made him look like a stud. A drunk elephant could have been throwing balls on the field and Broyles would have made it look good. Lets all be honest about this.


Seriously?!?! Really?!?!
82-17-7 is all I have to say.

There is a reason you don't see many OSU threads here,


No ….The real reason why you don’t see a lot of OSU threads here is that in spite of OSU being at their highest water mark in their history OU still hold a huge majority lead in the number of fans in the OKC area and even state wide.
A small demographic marketing study / survey conducted in the past year or 2 confirmed the huge OU fan lead.

And I would like to know a logical reason why Boone Pickens Stadium didnt sell 60,218 tickets during last years historical season, While OU had their largest crowd in history at 85,709 last year (3,597 over capacity)

OSU fans are rightfully proud of their stomping of OU last year, but they should have humility. The OU-OSU "rivalry" is the most lopsided rivalry in the nation for a reason. OU does that to OSU regularly. I have a feeling that it's coming again this year.

And I would like to know a logical reason why Boone Pickens Stadium didnt sell 60,218 tickets during last years historical season, While OU had their largest crowd in history at 85,709 last year (3,597 over capacity)

I am not sure if it was last year or a couple years ago, but I think OSU had been doing some restrictions on the OU tickets to increase the number of season pass holders and the ticket prices had gone up (how new/remodeled stadiums actually bring in better revenue for a team).

And I would like to know a logical reason why Boone Pickens Stadium didnt sell 60,218 tickets during last years historical season, While OU had their largest crowd in history at 85,709 last year (3,597 over capacity)

Thats because of ticket pricing. We had virtual sellouts last year minus a hundred or so club level seats that were empty. Ones that you can't buy individually, only season tickets.. They ain't too cheap so they aren't always all sold

Seriously?!?! Really?!?!
82-17-7 is all I have to say.

Douchery. Who cares bro. Is ur life ou football cause u don't have one?

Douchery. Who cares bro. Is ur life ou football cause u don't have one?

I care and so does anyone who is a true fan of either team.

If they could change history I am very sure that all true orange blooded OSU fans would want to see the record reversed….


Living in the same state with a University who has 16 NCAA officially recognized football national titles could make a poke fan a bit bitter especially since OSU just crawled above 500% in their all-time record.

By the way those 16 NCAA football national titles are more than any other university in the nation! And we are humble enough to only claim 7 of them.

Like it or not and no matter how hard you and others try to diminish the accomplishments there are real reasons why ESPN objectively named OKLAHOMA SOONERS as the most prestigious football team in college football HISTORY. So yes, many people do care.

I don't really care about games that happened before I was born or was even a sperm in my dad.

I didn't even start paying attention to osu football until I was a student there in the fall of 1997.

Don't assume everyone's priorities are the same as yours.

I used to cry over OU losses when I was a kid...Grew up and realized I didn't have a damn thing to do with a win or loss so take OU and sports in general much less seriously

Crying is for cheerleader and fans that don't know what the word humble means.

Thats because of ticket pricing. We had virtual sellouts last year minus a hundred or so club level seats that were empty. Ones that you can't buy individually, only season tickets.. They ain't too cheap so they aren't always all sold

those tickets have single game prices just not for the OU game ...


OSU has 0 home sell outs in the history of the renovated stadium ..

Crying is for cheerleader and fans that don't know what the word humble means.


Or for fans who would rather tear down the accomplishments of others than build up their own program.

I used to cry over OU losses when I was a kid...Grew up and realized I didn't have a damn thing to do with a win or loss so take OU and sports in general much less seriously

Wow you take it more seriously than I ever did.
But to be clear, good fans who do show up and contribute with their vocal support and with their donations do make a difference.

those tickets have single game prices just not for the OU game ...


OSU has 0 home sell outs in the history of the renovated stadium ..

+ Many of those so called virtual sell outs at OSU had thousands of deeply discounted tickets and in some cases many free tickets.

Wow you take it more seriously than I ever did.
But to be clear, good fans who do show up and contribute with their vocal support and with their donations do make a difference.

Very small difference...We are talking minute unless you are donating on a Bradford level

those tickets have single game prices just not for the OU game ...


OSU has 0 home sell outs in the history of the renovated stadium ..

Ya but for something like $400 apiece

And yes, we know we didn't have any sellouts last year. It's all because of ticket pricing implemented by holder. Not like we couldn't of had one with reasonable ticket prices, mostly in the club level. But we do get booze up there, so take that OU. Anything else I need to know about my alma mater?

And again, contrary to what ou48a says, this thread continues to show why OSU fans don't post much here.

Or for fans who would rather tear down the accomplishments of others than build up their own program.
Interesting back to back posts

+ Many of those so called virtual sell outs at OSU had thousands of deeply discounted tickets and in some cases many free tickets.


And this is simply not true. I don't recall them doing that for football. Yes for some basketball games but not football. Holder has taken a hard line on football tickets and pricing for them.

Interesting back to back posts



And this is simply not true. I don't recall them doing that for football. Yes for some basketball games but not football. Holder has taken a hard line on football tickets and pricing for them.

It is absolutely the case……

Unless the DOK and OSU officials were not telling the truth, you don’t know what you are talking about!

Thousands of free or deeply discounted tickets to OSU football games have gone to Stillwater public schools employees and their students, City of Stillwater employees. Also to Oklahoma EMT, Law enforcement, fire personnel, and to members of the Oklahoma National Guard/ military. Also individual ticket buyers have been able to buy very cheap tickets for a few select low level type games. OSU has also sold tickets in a way where they have spread people out, making the stadium look mostly full.
Fair or not OSU has received a fair amount of criticism over its ticket policy on talk shows and in the papers. But they have been nice enough to OU to allow an extra 1150 more tickets than the Big 12 required minimum distribution.

+ Many of those so called virtual sell outs at OSU had thousands of deeply discounted tickets and in some cases many free tickets.

What are you smoking? I can get OU tix so much more cheaply than OSU tix. In fact, I think it's a huge black eye for Poke fans. Why would you pay $60-80 off the street for a ticket when you could see a team that's usually better for $40-50 off the street? Depending on the games of course.

Can you provide evidence of any free tickets or deeply discounted ones at OSU? Specifically promotions that OU doesn't do (ie., no family packs, which every college does).

Very small difference...We are talking minute unless you are donating on a Bradford level


Actually,when there are enough,collectively the average fan who buys season tickets and makes the comparatively small donations do make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things. Over the years this has accounted for a strong majority of OU revenue stream. They also make big difference in a team’s home field advantage.
Just like players and coaches some fans perform better than others.
The more fans a team has can only help a program, even if all they are doing is buying tee shirts.

What are you smoking? I can get OU tix so much more cheaply than OSU tix. In fact, I think it's a huge black eye for Poke fans. Why would you pay $60-80 off the street for a ticket when you could see a team that's usually better for $40-50 off the street? Depending on the games of course.

Can you provide evidence of any free tickets or deeply discounted ones at OSU? Specifically promotions that OU doesn't do (ie., no family packs, which every college does).

The information has been in the DOK newspaper over the past several years. The OSU ticket policy and the free or discounted tickets have also been talked about extensively on the talk shows and to the point of it being sickening to hear about. If you were paying any attention to the talk shows you would have a hard time not remember it, unless you are a forgetful person.

But I suspect there are some (not all) bandwagon OSU fans who have been paying very little attention to OSU until their recent success. Every school that experiences new success has bandwagon fans. But IMHO they are a good problem to have.

PS: There are lots of very good reasons to pay full face value for a ticket.