This is what happens when you have a major SQ in March. Pathetic that the state was allowed to move it from November.

Guessing that makes you happy.

actually no .. MJ is already everywhere in oklahoma (and that is not changing in any event) regulation higher taxes and possible tourism .. all would be good at this point ..

This is what happens when you have a major SQ in March. Pathetic that the state was allowed to move it from November.

i think these results are showing that it wouldn't have mattered ..

tulsa county is down to 52% yes and Ok county is down to 54% yes

The fact the election was delayed until March had almost nothing whatsoever to do with the loss. A quick glance at the precinct and county results and comparing them to 2018 would show you that; large percentages of people who voted yes in 2018 are voting no this time. This question is getting OBLITERATED. Larger turnout *might* have improved the vote margin for yes by 2 points, but it would still be destroyed.

People who make the “delayed vote” argument simply don’t understand why people voted no and apparently don’t want to. It’s easier to make the simplistic argument. Read the politico article that was posted earlier. It’s a good examination of the nuances. The reporter interviews people who supported medical marijuana in 2018 and even some current dispensary owners who are opposed to 820 for a variety of reasons. None of them have to do with “the election was delayed until March.” The fact is it didn’t have the support in large part due to rural opposition (hell, it’s barely winning the cities and ultimately may not.

The idea that having the election in November would have made the difference, when Kevin Stitt absolutely demolished his opponent on the strength of rural Oklahoma voter support, which is the same constituency killing this SQ, is hilarious.

The nice thing about this election result is that it makes me more excited about moving out of state.

Disappointed and also not surprised. We don't vote in this state.

I didn't expect it to pass but even I'm a bit surprised it was defeated this badly.

Tulsa county has now flipped to NO and Ok county is down to 52%

I live in one of the more liberal precincts of OKC. Today, my precinct went 67% for Yes and 33% for No. In 2018, for the vote on medical marijuana, it went 90% for Yes and 10% for No.

Edit: Looking at some of the other OKC precincts that are typically liberal leaning, the vote shift didn’t uniformly happened. A lot of consistent support and high turnout in 2018 and today. Not sure why my precinct had such a large shift.

i think a lot of people that use it also were not motivated tonight ..

We'll see how motivated they can get should the legislature take election results as time to dismantle the mj med program.

We'll see how motivated they can get should the legislature take election results as time to dismantle the mj med program.

Not going to happen. Medical marijuana has broad support in the legislature, including among the most conservative members (again, see Politico article someone posted). More importantly, legislative leadership is uniformly supportive.

I just saw the results, I am happy and relieved that it failed but to anyone who voted yes, it could have been worse, both laws could have failed

I think most people are happy with medical MJ and see no reason to expand to full recreational. Oklahoma already has some of the most lax laws for medical and anyone and everyone that wants one can get a card. Arkansas also defeated recreational last November.

Im sorry but these people are going to turn off rural OK voters. I mean wearing a mask, seriously???
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The fact the election was delayed until March had almost nothing whatsoever to do with the loss. A quick glance at the precinct and county results and comparing them to 2018 would show you that; large percentages of people who voted yes in 2018 are voting no this time. This question is getting OBLITERATED. Larger turnout *might* have improved the vote margin for yes by 2 points, but it would still be destroyed.

People who make the “delayed vote” argument simply don’t understand why people voted no and apparently don’t want to. It’s easier to make the simplistic argument. Read the politico article that was posted earlier. It’s a good examination of the nuances. The reporter interviews people who supported medical marijuana in 2018 and even some current dispensary owners who are opposed to 820 for a variety of reasons. None of them have to do with “the election was delayed until March.” The fact is it didn’t have the support in large part due to rural opposition (hell, it’s barely winning the cities and ultimately may not.

The idea that having the election in November would have made the difference, when Kevin Stitt absolutely demolished his opponent on the strength of rural Oklahoma voter support, which is the same constituency killing this SQ, is hilarious.

That politico article explains it all. The moderate voters didn't expect there would be more weed shops per square mile than in California when they voted for medical cannabis. I think in their mind, the establishments would be more classy like in Europe. Maybe things would be better if the state actually enforced the current laws. Kind of hard to make the argument that legislation would bring in more tax revenue when were not collecting all the revenue now due to lax laws. 10 percent of the state are already card holders.

Ok County down to under 51% yes

All you have to do is look at history. State question 788 for Medical Marijuana Legalization Initiative in 2018 won 56% to 43%, that is a convincing win. The same people will mostly likely vote the same way today. SQ 820 will pass.

I hope you will learn a valuable lesson, just because the same people voted the same way the first time does not mean it is going to pass the second time, it failed big time tonight

Yeah it did. But didn’t Stitt have a good buddy that just happened to start a business to tabulate and verify petition signatures. This is actually a master class we’re witnessing

Sadly, I agree, that signature count debacle was just disgusting. Rs are setting themselves up in so many states and so many offices and fixing courts and boards with the "right" appointees to keep themselves in power no matter what, this kind of thing ("master class" type of thing) is just going to keep happening and most likely getting worse.

The Bible Belt is not ready for recreational marijuana, plain and simple. That's why it failed in Arkansas. That's why it failed in Oklahoma. That's why federal legalization is at least 20 years away. Oklahoma is incredibly lucky to have SQ788. I remember when it passed and there wasn't strong religious organization against it like there was for 820. It was basically "snuck in" under the eyes of the preachers. I think the fact it happened during the Trump era also helped it pass. The Baptists were less politically engaged during that time. However, the results of tonight's vote may give the holy rollers a green light on gutting the existing medical program, something they've wanted to do since it passed. The next 20 years of cannabis reform is going to have to be focused on keeping it legal where it's already legal and opposing federal attempts to crack down. Once the Jerry Falwell generation passes, I think recreational weed nationwide will become more viable. Like it or not, that is not now.

The Bible Belt is not ready for recreational marijuana, plain and simple. That's why it failed in Arkansas. That's why it failed in Oklahoma. That's why federal legalization is at least 20 years away. Oklahoma is incredibly lucky to have SQ788. I remember when it passed and there wasn't strong religious organization against it like there was for 820. It was basically "snuck in" under the eyes of the preachers. However, the results of tonight's vote may give the holy rollers a green light on gutting the existing medical program, something they've wanted to do since it passed. The next 20 years of cannabis reform is going to have to be focused on keeping it legal where it's already legal and opposing federal attempts to crack down. Once the Jerry Falwell generation passes, I think recreational weed nationwide will become more viable. Like it or not, that is not now.

lol MJ is federal illegal still because dems have never had it on there agenda to change .. they had full control 2 different times in the last 20 years and didn't act on it ..

and it is still Illegal everywhere ..

lol MJ is federal illegal still because dems have never had it on there agenda to change .. they had full control 2 different times in the last 20 years and didn't act on it ..

and it is still Illegal everywhere ..

They tried during the last session. It's illegal because the Southern Baptist Convention wants it that way.

Yep. I think this may be a major factor in it failing (if it does).

I thought this was a pretty good article on the unique circumstances here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/07/oklahoma-marijuana-legalization-00085299

Uneducated idiot cop - “I know that marijuana does nothing but lead to other drugs.” :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I (and at least a dozen people I know) have smoked marijuana for decades and *none* of us have ever gone on to any other drugs. Yes, some people with addiction problems might go on to other drugs, but I can pretty much guarantee you that there's a *huge* amount of responsible, job-holding, tax-paying, contributing citizens that smoke weed. F-ing Reefer Madness propaganda still lives...

They tried during the last session. It's illegal because the Southern Baptist Convention wants it that way.

the Democrats had full control .. they could do what they wanted .. lol Obama had full control and 60 senate votes ... the dems don't care about this issue .

Oklahoma county flipped to a NO as well that is every county in the state against .. LOL

the Democrats had full control .. they could do what they wanted .. lol Obama had full control and 60 senate votes ... the dems don't care about this issue .

Have you heard of the filibuster?

Dems may or may not care, but Republicans care about it and will never allow it to be legalized.

Oklahoma county flipped to a NO as well that is every county in the state against .. LOL

That confirms it then, everyone is happy with S788 so they pretty much do not care about S820

Have you heard of the filibuster?

Dems may or may not care, but Republicans care about it and will never allow it to be legalized.

This state passed medical overwhelmingly

This state passed medical overwhelmingly

It was because of a lack of religious organization against it and youth turnout was high. Today, the churches were bussing people to the polls. Young voters didn't turn out to cancel them out.

Have you heard of the filibuster?

Dems may or may not care, but Republicans care about it and will never allow it to be legalized.

link please when did that get filibustered??

The Bible Belt is not ready for recreational marijuana, plain and simple. That's why it failed in Arkansas. That's why it failed in Oklahoma. That's why federal legalization is at least 20 years away. Oklahoma is incredibly lucky to have SQ788. I remember when it passed and there wasn't strong religious organization against it like there was for 820. It was basically "snuck in" under the eyes of the preachers. I think the fact it happened during the Trump era also helped it pass. The Baptists were less politically engaged during that time. However, the results of tonight's vote may give the holy rollers a green light on gutting the existing medical program, something they've wanted to do since it passed. The next 20 years of cannabis reform is going to have to be focused on keeping it legal where it's already legal and opposing federal attempts to crack down. Once the Jerry Falwell generation passes, I think recreational weed nationwide will become more viable. Like it or not, that is not now.

North and South Dakota also voted down recreational last November. Missouri and Maryland are the two latest states to pass it. 21 states have medical/recreational and 15 (including OK) have medical only; it’s still illegal in 14 states . Of the surrounding states CO, NM and MO have recreational, AR has medical and KS and TX have neither.

Have you heard of the filibuster?

Dems may or may not care, but Republicans care about it and will never allow it to be legalized.

and again obama had filibuster proof senate ...

and several republicans are on the record supporting making it a sate issue and descheduleing MJ

820 officially failed in every single county

the Democrats had full control .. they could do what they wanted .. lol Obama had full control and 60 senate votes ... the dems don't care about this issue .

Misinformation. GOP had 41 seats

and again obama had filibuster proof senate ...

and several republicans are on the record supporting making it a sate issue and descheduleing MJ

And again Obama did not. 59 is less than 60.

It was because of a lack of religious organization against it and youth turnout was high. Today, the churches were bussing people to the polls. Young voters didn't turn out to cancel them out.

You’re lost. I voted for medical and I don’t partake. Voted no on this one.

820 officially failed in every single county

Which is great news! I am going to celebrate with a nice steak dinner tomorrow!

And again Obama did not. 59 is less than 60.

The seating of Minnesota Sen. Al Franken will give Democrats the filibuster-proof 60-40 majority in the Senate,

Misinformation. GOP had 41 seats

Nope

And again Obama did not. 59 is less than 60.

Democrats had 60 seats in 2009. That supermajority was ended in 2010 when Scott Brown defeated Martha Coakley to win the Senate seat in Massachusetts after the death of Ted Kennedy, taking the Democratic majority to 59.

Tomorrow will be the same as always. You will drive by dozens of professional medical establishments like Capital Dank, Puff the dragon, dazed on route 66, happy route 420. The employees and owner of Green doctor will be happy as they actually have doctor in their name.

Democrats had 60 seats in 2009. That supermajority was ended in 2010 when Scott Brown defeated Martha Coakley to win the Senate seat in Massachusetts after the death of Ted Kennedy, taking the Democratic majority to 59.

Out of 2 years the Dems had that 60 vote majority for a total of 72 days. Al Franken was not seated till July of 09.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

Just for fun, I compared results from the 2018 MMJ vote to today’s vote. If the turnout was the same today as it was in 2018, the Yes campaign would have had to garner 70% of the “gap” votes to win. In other words, it’s highly unlikely higher turnout would have altered the outcome, at least when comparing to the 2018 vote, which had high turnout due to the competitive party primaries that year.

There were 326,754 more votes cast in 2018 than were cast today. Those are what I’m calling the gap votes. To alter the outcome 229,497 (70%) of those votes would have had to go to Yes, with 97,257 (30%) going to No.

In 2018, Cleveland County went 65% for Yes; Oklahoma County went 63% for Yes; and Tulsa went 63% for Yes.* Thus, even if it turnout was as high as 2018 AND all the gap votes voted like those three counties did in 2018, today’s YES vote would have still lost by a large margin.


*Those three counties accounted for 44% of the total 2018 vote.

Out of 2 years the Dems had that 60 vote majority for a total of 72 days. Al Franken was not seated till July of 09.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

That correct. But so what? You said they didn’t have 60 seats. They did have 60 seats and they used it to great effect in those 72 *working* days, including passing the Affordable Care Act. To paraphrase you: 60 seats is more than 59. It’s okay to admit you were mistaken after calling out someone for spreading misinformation.

They had 60 seats for 72 days. That is also a caveat. 59 seats for most of 2009 and all of 2010. They did not pass the ACA during those 72 days however. ACA passed in 2010 using reconcilliation.

They had 60 seats for 72 days. That is also a caveat. 59 seats for most of 2009 and all of 2010. They did not pass the ACA during those 72 days however. ACA passed in 2010 using reconcilliation.

Buddy, take the loss here. They (THE SENATE) passed the ACA in December of 2009 on a party line vote of 60-39.

https://twitter.com/apseanmurphy/status/1633319767787425794?s=61&t=tXgXuTBzNhJ3FK0I7f0fSg

Not sure how to embed tweets, but that is from the AP’s Sean Murphy. The Yes campaign spent $4.9 million vs the No campaign spending $219,000, according to campaign finance reports.

Buddy, take the loss here. They (THE SENATE) passed the ACA in December of 2009 on a party line vote of 60-39.

No pal, it passed the Senate 56-43 in March of 2010 through Reconcilliation. Read about it here.
Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_20 10#:~:text=The%20Health%20Care%20and%20Education,A ct%20(ACA)%20(%20Pub.
Here is a timeline of the ACA.
History of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) | eHealth
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/resources/affordable-care-act/history-timeline-affordable-care-act-aca

I think what it really comes down to is that there is a decent chunk of the electorate that gets off to telling people they can't do things. It doesn't matter what it is, they just enjoy telling people they can't do what they want. I'm not really sure how you fix that.

No pal, it passed the Senate 56-43 in March of 2010 through Reconcilliation. Read about it here.
Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_20 10#:~:text=The%20Health%20Care%20and%20Education,A ct%20(ACA)%20(%20Pub.

Since you’ve shown you’re incapable of admitting you were wrong and you keep digging deeper, I’m not going to waste time any additional time explaining to you the difference between the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) that the Senate passed in 2009 and ultimately became law. I remember this stuff like it was yesterday since my entire professional life at the time revolved around it. On the other hand, your quick-finger Googling and scan of Wikipedia in a vain hope to find an out betrays your lack of understanding of the legislative history and process. And that’s fine! Because you don’t need to have that knowledge. Instead, all you had to do was say, “Sorry, BoulderSooner, you were correct and I was mistaken. I’m sorry for accusing you of spreading misinformation. Here’s some nuance I would like you to consider about what you called a filibuster proof majority.”

https://twitter.com/apseanmurphy/status/1633319767787425794?s=61&t=tXgXuTBzNhJ3FK0I7f0fSg

Not sure how to embed tweets, but that is from the AP’s Sean Murphy. The Yes campaign spent $4.9 million vs the No campaign spending $219,000, according to campaign finance reports.

That 4.9 million went to waste for nothing and $219,000 is a steal

Since you’ve shown you’re incapable of admitting you were wrong and you keep digging deeper, I’m not going to waste time any additional time explaining to you the difference between the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) that the Senate passed in 2009 and ultimately became law. I remember this stuff like it was yesterday since my entire professional life at the time revolved around it. On the other hand, your quick-finger Googling and scan of Wikipedia in a vain hope to find an out betrays your lack of understanding of the legislative history and process. And that’s fine! Because you don’t need to have that knowledge. Instead, all you had to do was say, “Sorry, BoulderSooner, you were correct and I was mistaken. I’m sorry for accusing you of spreading misinformation. Here’s some nuance I would like you to consider about what you called a filibuster proof majority.”

I admitted I was wrong. I also provided 2 different cites showing it was passed through Reconcilliation with the last Senate vote 56-43.
Pot meet kettle.

So when does this go back on the ballot? General election in November 2024?

That 4.9 million went to waste for nothing and $219,000 is a steal

The YES campaign even spent money on a banner plane to fly around the state with 'VOTE YES ON SQ820' for days leading up to the vote.

IMO, the issue was the money was spent on the wrong demographics. Stop spending money trying to convince rural Oklahoma to flip from NO to YES. The votes to win already exist in the cities, you just need to spend the money getting them aware/educated to go out to vote. Why was there basically zero social media presence trying to stir up young voters, who mostly all already support the YES vote?

You need money going towards people posting up on campuses, outside concerts, going into bars, educating on registration, finding polling places, transportation to polls, etc.

The key to progress is young people.

People who are upset that it didn't pass or people who are happy that it didn't pass need to realize this:

1. People who want to smoke are going to smoke regardless, whether its legal or illegal or have a card.
2. Its so easy to get a Medical Marijuana card its ridiculous.
3. Its not about accessibility. Its about money. Making it legal would of raised the price for weed exponentially.
4. Current dispensary owners don't have to hassle with accounting to pay state taxes.
5. The current system is fine, the only one losing out is the State. Dispensary owners are still going to make money, and people who really want to smoke can get a card.

I'm not surprised at all at the resounding defeat.

The average voter has witnessed the crazy amount of dispensaries everywhere and smelled pot smoke all over town. They have also read endless press about lawlessness, organized crime and a bunch of other negative news. You have to remember that a huge amount of the electorate have spent their entire lives thinking weed was 'wrong' and then overnight it was seemingly everywhere.

Among the people I know, the general feeling is that it's all out of control and the current situation was made possible by constantly sneaking through loopholes or just straight-out violating the existing laws. And if you know anyone in Oklahoma involved in this business, it makes you all the more distrustful.

If anything, we are going to see bills introduced and likely passed to clamp down on all this. I expect a pretty strong backlash, especially with this new mandate.

I'm not surprised at all at the resounding defeat.

The average voter has witnessed the crazy amount of dispensaries everywhere and smelled pot smoke all over town. They have also read endless press about lawlessness, organized crime and a bunch of other negative news. You have to remember that a huge amount of the electorate have spent their entire lives thinking weed was 'wrong' and then overnight it was seemingly everywhere.

Among the people I know, the general feeling is that it's all out of control and the current situation was made possible by constantly sneaking through loopholes or just straight-out violating the existing laws. And if you know anyone in Oklahoma involved in this business, it makes you all the more distrustful.

If anything, we are going to see bills introduced and likely passed to clamp down on all this. I expect a pretty strong backlash, especially with this new mandate.

This is my main concern about this SQ failing, in the end it might turn out that trying for recreation and failing was a big mistake and the situation should have been left alone.

This is my main concern about this SQ failing, in the end it might turn out that trying for recreation and failing was a big mistake and the situation should have been left alone.

I can almost guarantee it.

And now the governor and state legislators will use this mandate to start pushing the line in the other direction. That will likely win a lot of points with their electorate and the momentum will keep building.

I've said for a long time that pushing for recreational use will backfire in a big way.

So when does this go back on the ballot? General election in November 2024?

Maybe in 10 years? I really doubt they will bring it back on the ballot next year since it failed in a landslide

This says it all:

Me: "Are you voting on SQ820 to legalize marijuana for recreational use?"
Average person who doesn't watch the news: "Isn't it already legal in Oklahoma?"

This says it all:

Me: "Are you voting on SQ820 to legalize marijuana for recreational use?"
Average person who doesn't watch the news: "Isn't it already legal in Oklahoma?"

True but funny enough, you said the same people who voted the first time will vote again and it will pass only for it to fail so you were wrong on that one so I hope it will teach you a vaulable lesson, just because it passed the first time does not mean it is going to pass the second time