So, effectively the election board has crafted a strategy to shut down or delay the initiative petition process?

If true that's messed up.

Also goes to show how out of touch with the interests the state legislature is, given that the 2 recent successful initiative petitions that come to mind are the medical marijuana initiative and the expansion of medicaid.

"OH, oops, the election board doesn't have adequate resources to process the petition signatures. We'll have to hire a crooked outside private company in the Stitt crony corruption ring. Oops, delays have happened, initiative petition ain't on the ballot..."

C'mon!

So, effectively the election board has crafted a strategy to shut down or delay the initiative petition process?

If true that's messed up.

Also goes to show how out of touch with the interests the state legislature is, given that the 2 recent successful initiative petitions that come to mind are the medical marijuana initiative and the expansion of medicaid.

"OH, oops, the election board doesn't have adequate resources to process the petition signatures. We'll have to hire a crooked outside private company in the Stitt crony corruption ring. Oops, delays have happened, initiative petition ain't on the ballot..."

C'mon!
I hate to think that's actually what's going on but anything is possible in govt anymore it seems. I soooooo want this to get on the ballot and passed.

So, effectively the election board has crafted a strategy to shut down or delay the initiative petition process?

If true that's messed up.

Also goes to show how out of touch with the interests the state legislature is, given that the 2 recent successful initiative petitions that come to mind are the medical marijuana initiative and the expansion of medicaid.

"OH, oops, the election board doesn't have adequate resources to process the petition signatures. We'll have to hire a crooked outside private company in the Stitt crony corruption ring. Oops, delays have happened, initiative petition ain't on the ballot..."

C'mon!

The election board was not the entity tbat delegated the count to a private vendor.

The election board was not the entity tbat delegated the count to a private vendor.

Thank you for pointing that out - I looked and see it was the secretary of state who outsourced the work.

Here's how it looks to be organized, in case there are others like me who were uninformed:

Administration and governance of the agency is the responsibility of the Secretary of the State Election Board, who is the chief state election official. The Secretary serves a two-year term.

Thank you for pointing that out - I looked and see it was the secretary of state who outsourced the work.

Here's how it looks to be organized, in case there are others like me who were uninformed:

Administration and governance of the agency is the responsibility of the Secretary of the State Election Board, who is the chief state election official. The Secretary serves a two-year term.

The SoS is Brian Bingman. His office is the only appointed constitutional position in the executive branch. He was handpicked by Stitt for a 4 year term

Just get a card. It's easy.

Just get a card. It's easy.

1) It costs generally around 200$ in state and medical professional fees. By your estimation that's easy?

2) Your name and all related information goes into an database maintained by..who exactly? What precautions are being taken to ensure this information is not stolen and put on the internet for all to see? One might be surprised about the safeguards surrounding this information. If if does get leaked, who ya gonna call?

So, effectively the election board has crafted a strategy to shut down or delay the initiative petition process?

If true that's messed up.

Also goes to show how out of touch with the interests the state legislature is, given that the 2 recent successful initiative petitions that come to mind are the medical marijuana initiative and the expansion of medicaid.

"OH, oops, the election board doesn't have adequate resources to process the petition signatures. We'll have to hire a crooked outside private company in the Stitt crony corruption ring. Oops, delays have happened, initiative petition ain't on the ballot..."

C'mon!

https://kfor.com/news/attorney-requesting-oklahoma-supreme-court-to-change-language-of-medical-marijuana-question/

They did it the last time with medical marijuana so why wouldn't they do same with recreational. There's plenty of time to put it on the ballot but of course they'll drag their feet and put it on the ballot as far into the future as they can.

Just get a card. It's easy.
Or just make it rec so you can walk into a store and purchase it like any other item requiring you to be of age. Easier.

Or just make it rec so you can walk into a store and purchase it like any other item requiring you to be of age. Easier.Absolutely! Thank you!

1) It costs generally around 200$ in state and medical professional fees. By your estimation that's easy?

2) Your name and all related information goes into an database maintained by..who exactly? What precautions are being taken to ensure this information is not stolen and put on the internet for all to see? One might be surprised about the safeguards surrounding this information. If if does get leaked, who ya gonna call?
And that database is a deal killer for some people.

Looks like they’re going to the Supreme Court: https://www.news9.com/story/63083c79f69a650726199286/recreational-marijuana-campaign-turns-to-oklahoma-supreme-court-for-ballot-question-

Looks like they’re going to the Supreme Court: https://www.news9.com/story/63083c79f69a650726199286/recreational-marijuana-campaign-turns-to-oklahoma-supreme-court-for-ballot-question-

So the signatures have been counted and the number has exceeded what was needed. The article says it is a printing deadline causing the hiccup.

That sounds like a weak excuse? There is no way the ballots are already printed when runoffs just completed this week.

The State Supreme Court will hear arguments Friday, August 26 in court. News 9 will be following the story and have updates as it becomes available.

The hearing is today so there might be fairly quick turnaround on a decision.

And that database is a deal killer for some people.

exactly. because even though people on here argued with me that they can't check it for federal background checks when getting particular clearances, permits, or licenses.. but they can, and they do. I know someone just recently who was denied a Federal Position at the FAA, because their background check showed they had a Medical Card here in Oklahoma. And i have several friends with Fed positions at the NWS who have said that is the reason they wouldn't even consider getting one.

exactly. because even though people on here argued with me that they can't check it for federal background checks when getting particular clearances, permits, or licenses.. but they can, and they do. I know someone just recently who was denied a Federal Position at the FAA, because their background check showed they had a Medical Card here in Oklahoma. And i have several friends with Fed positions at the NWS who have said that is the reason they wouldn't even consider getting one.

yep and any DOD just would also find it

exactly. because even though people on here argued with me that they can't check it for federal background checks when getting particular clearances, permits, or licenses.. but they can, and they do. I know someone just recently who was denied a Federal Position at the FAA, because their background check showed they had a Medical Card here in Oklahoma. And i have several friends with Fed positions at the NWS who have said that is the reason they wouldn't even consider getting one.They can and do check anything they want. I've had prospective employees fail for small things from long ago that I can't believe are still any records of.

They can and do check anything they want. I've had prospective employees fail for small things from long ago that I can't believe are still any records of.

Ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through...

Would any private business be able to access the medical card database in a background check?

Would a state employee be denied employment for having a medical card? Or failing a drug screening with marijuana testing positive...wonder if there have been any legal challenges for a situation like that.

It would seem that feds could deny employment bc a state medical license would not carry weight,until marijuana is removed from the controlled substances list, or whatever it's called...

Ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through...

Would any private business be able to access the medical card database in a background check?

Would a state employee be denied employment for having a medical card? Or failing a drug screening with marijuana testing positive...wonder if there have been any legal challenges for a situation like that.

It would seem that feds could deny employment bc a state medical license would not carry weight,until marijuana is removed from the controlled substances list, or whatever it's called...It's an incredible amount of hoops. The fastest I've seen a BG completed is 5 months. The average is around 10 months. And it's mind blowing the kinds of things they'll come back and follow up on.

Any employer that is going to disqualify you for having a MM card is going to drug test you if weed is legal and is probably already drug testing. It is their right as an employer. And good for them. An employer should be able to have a weed user free work force if the choose to. You don't have a right to that job. I have a friend that drives a semi for UPS. He can be told at any random day or time to do a drug test.

Any employer that is going to disqualify you for having a MM card is going to drug test you if weed is legal and is probably already drug testing. It is their right as an employer. And good for them. An employer should be able to have a weed user free work force if the choose to. You don't have a right to that job. I have a friend that drives a semi for UPS. He can be told at any random day or time to do a drug test.

The problem with testing for THC is that it can stay in your body for a looooooong time. Cocaine is gone in a day, but THC can be detected for days, weeks, and possibly even months for a heavy smoker. So someone that smoked weed for the only time in their life can still test positive a week later when the effects are completely out of their system and there is no way they're actually under the influence of it.

The problem with testing for THC is that it can stay in your body for a looooooong time. Cocaine is gone in a day, but THC can be detected for days, weeks, and possibly even months for a heavy smoker. So someone that smoked weed for the only time in their life can still test positive a week later when the effects are completely out of their system and there is no way they're actually under the influence of it.

Doesn't matter. If a company gets federal funding, and has an employee pop positive for weed, they risk federal compliance issues, which could include having to pay back federal funds.

Doesn't matter. If a company gets federal funding, and has an employee pop positive for weed, they risk federal compliance issues, which could include having to pay back federal funds.
It does matter. The issue is if somebody is too impaired to do their job and that might not be the case given the fact of how long it stays in your body. So yes it does actually matter

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Oklahoma Marijuana Activists Submit Signatures To Put Legalization On November Ballot: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/oklahoma-marijuana-activists-submit-signatures-to-put-legalization-on-november-ballot/

Oklahoma activists have submitted what they say are more than enough signatures to qualify a marijuana legalization initiative for the November ballot.

The Oklahomans for Sensible Marijuana Laws (OSML) campaign announced on Tuesday that it had turned in over 164,000 signatures to the secretary of state’s office. They need 94,911 of the submissions to be valid in order to qualify the proposed statutory amendment.

The initiative would allow adults 21 and older in the state to possess and purchase up to an ounces of cannabis and grow a limited number of plants for personal use. The campaign, which is being backed by the national New Approach PAC, is one of two citizen efforts to put legalization on the ballot, with another one still in the process of signature gathering for its own pair of complementary initiatives.

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It does matter. The issue is if somebody is too impaired to do their job and that might not be the case given the fact of how long it stays in your body. So yes it does actually matter

You aren't getting it. IF A COMPANY RECEIVES A DIME OF FEDERAL FUNDING, THEY RISK HAVING TO PAY IT BACK, PLUS INTEREST, FOR HAVING AN EMPLOYEE USING A FEDERALLY ILLEGAL DRUG, REGARDLESS OF IT BEING LEGAL AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND REGARDLESS OF IMPAIRMENT LEVEL. Impairment matters jack squat when it comes to a drug being legal or illegal at the federal level. Whether you took it a week ago and pop positive or come in reeking of it, it is the same in the eyes of the federal government. I don't know how else to explain it. So I won't any further. I know because I have read many federal contracts, and they make it clear.

https://kfor.com/news/attorney-requesting-oklahoma-supreme-court-to-change-language-of-medical-marijuana-question/

They did it the last time with medical marijuana so why wouldn't they do same with recreational. There's plenty of time to put it on the ballot but of course they'll drag their feet and put it on the ballot as far into the future as they can.

I'm totally amazed you have this link!!!

You aren't getting it. IF A COMPANY RECEIVES A DIME OF FEDERAL FUNDING, THEY RISK HAVING TO PAY IT BACK, PLUS INTEREST, FOR HAVING AN EMPLOYEE USING A FEDERALLY ILLEGAL DRUG, REGARDLESS OF IT BEING LEGAL AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND REGARDLESS OF IMPAIRMENT LEVEL. Impairment matters jack squat when it comes to a drug being legal or illegal at the federal level. Whether you took it a week ago and pop positive or come in reeking of it, it is the same in the eyes of the federal government. I don't know how else to explain it. So I won't any further. I know because I have read many federal contracts, and they make it clear.
Well then that needs to be addressed on a federal level.

Well then that needs to be addressed on a federal level.

Oh, I agree. I have friends at the VA who would love to be able to prescribe THC to their patients, but cannot, for obvious reasons. It is dumb that it is federally illegal.

The federal government needs to fight this fight or get out of it. In my opinion, they need to get out of it.

Doesn't matter. If a company gets federal funding, and has an employee pop positive for weed, they risk federal compliance issues, which could include having to pay back federal funds.

Right. This law needs to be changed. Schumer and the Dems got one through committee but it didn't have the votes to exceed the filibuster threshold.

Doesn't matter. If a company gets federal funding, and has an employee pop positive for weed, they risk federal compliance issues, which could include having to pay back federal funds.

My post didn't address the ridiculous federal scheduling of marijuana, it was just about the technicalities of THC retention. Marijuana needs to be rescheduled federally NOW.

So, effectively the election board has crafted a strategy to shut down or delay the initiative petition process?

If true that's messed up.

Also goes to show how out of touch with the interests the state legislature is, given that the 2 recent successful initiative petitions that come to mind are the medical marijuana initiative and the expansion of medicaid.

"OH, oops, the election board doesn't have adequate resources to process the petition signatures. We'll have to hire a crooked outside private company in the Stitt crony corruption ring. Oops, delays have happened, initiative petition ain't on the ballot..."

C'mon!

So, so many governmental functions like this have been outsourced to external vendors since 2018... mostly to the detriment of the citizens of this state.

My post didn't address the ridiculous federal scheduling of marijuana, it was just about the technicalities of THC retention. Marijuana needs to be rescheduled federally NOW.

Not rescheduled, rather taking out of the schedule entirely. Marijuana doesn't need to be there any more than tobacco and alcohol.

I'm sure it's a huge printing job, but it seems the state needs to find a faster printing company.

Not rescheduled, rather taking out of the schedule entirely. Marijuana doesn't need to be there any more than tobacco and alcohol.Absolutely!

I'm sure it's a huge printing job, but it seems the state needs to find a faster printing company.My dad was a printing pressman. From 1948ish until he got sick in 1979. I spent a lot of time in the shop where he worked. I got to do a lot of the work required to make a printing press put out finished product. Back then it would take some time to make changes to the negatives and plates used in the offset printing presses. I met a lot of people in the business. I still know a couple people in the business. Now it's literally as easy as changing a Word or Excel document and sending it to your printer. Today's printing presses are literally just big printers. Changes could be made as late as distribution schedules to precincts would allow. Or maybe programming of the readers which I know absolutely nothing about. But printing delays wouldn't be the issue.

Not rescheduled, rather taking out of the schedule entirely. Marijuana doesn't need to be there any more than tobacco and alcohol.

Yep, agreed, but we're going to be lucky if they ever get off their asses and find the will to reschedule it, much less remove it.

Yep, agreed, but we're going to be lucky if they ever get off their asses and find the will to reschedule it, much less remove it.Unfortunately I'm afraid you're right. It will be one more thing not done due to partisan politics instead of what makes sense politics.

My dad was a printing pressman. From 1948ish until he got sick in 1979. I spent a lot of time in the shop where he worked. I got to do a lot of the work required to make a printing press put out finished product. Back then it would take some time to make changes to the negatives and plates used in the offset printing presses. I met a lot of people in the business. I still know a couple people in the business. Now it's literally as easy as changing a Word or Excel document and sending it to your printer. Today's printing presses are literally just big printers. Changes could be made as late as distribution schedules to precincts would allow. Or maybe programming of the readers which I know absolutely nothing about. But printing delays wouldn't be the issue.

From what I remember about medical, the big issue was figuring out the wording on the ballots. That could take months to really hammer down and when you add that with the printing lead time it could really cut things close.

1) It costs generally around 200$ in state and medical professional fees. By your estimation that's easy?

One of the primary reasons for medical marijuana was to generate revenue for the State. Now that we have that revenue, you're wanting to eliminate it?


2) Your name and all related information goes into an database maintained by..who exactly? What precautions are being taken to ensure this information is not stolen and put on the internet for all to see? One might be surprised about the safeguards surrounding this information. If if does get leaked, who ya gonna call?

This is a pretty silly objection. The first time you buy cannabis on your credit card, you're going to start having ads targeted at you. At least right now, the data theoretically has HIPAA protection whereas if you're talking recreational, that wouldn't be the case.

One of the primary reasons for medical marijuana was to generate revenue for the State. Now that we have that revenue, you're wanting to eliminate it?



This is a pretty silly objection. The first time you buy cannabis on your credit card, you're going to start having ads targeted at you. At least right now, the data theoretically has HIPAA protection whereas if you're talking recreational, that wouldn't be the case.

I am of the opinion that the increased revenue for the state was hardly a primary factor of those who changed the status of cannabis. A rationalization for some, sure.

As far as your point about CC purchases, you can't purchase cannabis with a credit card.

It looks like the Oklahoma Supreme Court has agreed to decide on whether or not the SQ will appear on the ballot in November.

https://tulsaworld.com/ap/state/oklahoma-supreme-court-agrees-to-consider-marijuana-question/article_80db2132-0f9a-51c7-bb9a-4e6da3fb69bf.html

Here’s a different article with a headline that contradicts the TW one: https://okcfox.com/news/local/ok-supreme-court-wont-rule-on-sq-820-for-now-legalize-recreational-marijuana-governor-kevin-stitt-michelle-tilley-campaign-director-yes-on-820-weed-pot-smoking-forrest-bennett-oklahoma-city-tulsa-november-ballot

In Oklahoma, all absentee ballots must be printed and delivered to the 77 county election boards no later than September 21.

If the 10-day protest period for SQ 820 started Tuesday, it would end September 13.


This is way too close for comfort.

This is way too close for comfort.
Yeah. It's not looking good. Especially if there's any truth to the speculation that there are parties that want it delayed.

Yeah. It's not looking good. Especially if there's any truth to the speculation that there are parties that want it delayed.

Parties = every R politician in the state?

Parties = every R politician in the state?

and lots of others that benefit from the current system

Parties = every R politician in the state?

I've heard up to 60% of the Republican legislators at the state capitol don't mind if rec marijuana is legalized in Oklahoma. They just don't want to be associated with making it happen, especially if it somehow goes wrong.

I've heard up to 60% of the Republican legislators at the state capitol don't mind if rec marijuana is legalized in Oklahoma. They just don't want to be associated with making it happen, especially if it somehow goes wrong.

i'm sure lots of them feel similar as i do. we pretty much already have Rec (in our med laws) and that is not going away so we might as well gain the rec tourism dollars ..

I have no doubt we would make a lot of tax dollars from Texas tourism. Might as well cash in now before it becomes federally legal in the next 10 years or so.

I have no doubt we would make a lot of tax dollars from Texas tourism. Might as well cash in now before it becomes federally legal in the next 10 years or so.

It will just become a full state issue (as it is now) and the feds will no longer be involved in it..

One of the primary reasons for medical marijuana was to generate revenue for the State. Now that we have that revenue, you're wanting to eliminate it?



This is a pretty silly objection. The first time you buy cannabis on your credit card, you're going to start having ads targeted at you. At least right now, the data theoretically has HIPAA protection whereas if you're talking recreational, that wouldn't be the case.

The increase in tax revenue the state would receive by going rec would far surpass any licensing fees they would lose from medical. That vast majority of the additional revenue would also be out of state dollars coming into the state coffers.

^^ While we might benefit some, I'm not sure if it will be as big as people think. Some of the recent estimates I've seen show us missing on about $70 million of potential revenue currently (which, while not nothing, isn't exactly world changing). The Texas thing becomes a bigger question to me because they're (Texas LEO) extremely aggressive (especially in terms of edibles and concentrates) in enforcing the laws and busting people bringing product in from Oklahoma and Colorado.

Yeah. It's not looking good. Especially if there's any truth to the speculation that there are parties that want it delayed.

A party named Stitt?

^^ While we might benefit some, I'm not sure if it will be as big as people think. Some of the recent estimates I've seen show us missing on about $70 million of potential revenue currently (which, while not nothing, isn't exactly world changing). The Texas thing becomes a bigger question to me because they're (Texas LEO) extremely aggressive (especially in terms of edibles and concentrates) in enforcing the laws and busting people bringing product in from Oklahoma and Colorado.

The current 7% excise tax on medical marijuana sales generates about $5 million in state revenue each month, plus another roughly $6 million each month in state and local sales taxes, according to figures from the Oklahoma Tax Commission.

Adult use will have a 15% excise tax plus state and local sales tax so yeah it will generate a lot more. Once adult use passes medical card holders will NOT pay the excise tax.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2022/09/01/683429.htm

OK Supreme Court is waiting for the 10 petition to end before they rule on this and I have a feeling that the OK supreme court will side with the people. 9/14 should be the 11th business day once the petition period expires leaving plenty of time to print ballots, In Oklahoma, all absentee ballots must be printed and delivered to the 77 county election boards no later than September 21.

What was supposed to be happening during the 10 day period the Supreme Court?

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^^ While we might benefit some, I'm not sure if it will be as big as people think. Some of the recent estimates I've seen show us missing on about $70 million of potential revenue currently (which, while not nothing, isn't exactly world changing). The Texas thing becomes a bigger question to me because they're (Texas LEO) extremely aggressive (especially in terms of edibles and concentrates) in enforcing the laws and busting people bringing product in from Oklahoma and Colorado.

I believe that $70 million number was based off of an estimate assuming every state legalized recreational. As in it took into account the number of users in each state and estimated a potential revenue for each state. It totally ignores the dynamic of having full rec states bordering states with total bans or any potential revenue from anyone out of state.

The vast majority of new revenue will come from having 8 million people living 100 miles from the Oklahoma border in a state with currently zero access. If Oklahoma waits around until it is legal in Texas then I would agree they may as well just keep the "medical" we have now since anyone living in the state can get it if they want it. At that point it wouldn't produce much more revenue for the state.

There is no guarantee that if and when the Federal government legalizes cannabis that all states will follow this path. If Texas has the same sort of folks controlling the levers of power with no opportunity for citizens to file initiative or referundum petitions Texas can very easily maintain the status quo.
Just look at Oklahoma history on alcohol prohibition and Oklahoma repealing prohibition decades after the federal government did.

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