What specific portions of the bill are garbage and would need to be removed to get the Senate to approve?

You know you're not going to get any substantive reply, if you get one at all, right?

What specific portions of the bill are garbage and would need to be removed to get the Senate to approve?

the house bill sets a 5% federal tax .... it also sets the policy of what that tax is allowed to be spent on ..

the house bill also allows the federal gov from banning anyone with a MJ related felony from working in the industry

it aslo sets a federal regulatory frame work .. .


a clean bill that only takes MJ off the schedule 1 narcotics list and federally decimalizes would have a chance in the senate ..

Decriminalization would at least be a start. I'd have some hope.

Can this be done via Executive Action? More than half of Americans have access to some form of Cannabis. It should at the very least be decriminalized and off schedule 1.

Can this be done via Executive Action? More than half of Americans have access to some form of Cannabis. It should at the very least be decriminalized and off schedule 1.

From everything I've seen the short answer is no. It needs to be address legislatively.

https://okcfox.com/news/local/cannabis-banking-act-passes-us-house-for-fourth-time

Need to renew our MMJ cards, but our original doctor isn't doing them any longer and didn't know anybody to send us to. Anybody have any recommendations on where to get a recommendation form filled out/signed? Preferably somewhere in the area bounded by NW 63rd - I-235 - Reno - I-44. Thx.

Need to renew our MMJ cards, but our original doctor isn't doing them any longer and didn't know anybody to send us to. Anybody have any recommendations on where to get a recommendation form filled out/signed? Preferably somewhere in the area bounded by NW 63rd - I-235 - Reno - I-44. Thx.

Are you willing to do telemed? https://www.15thstreetclinic.com/ does renewals for just $75, and they'll send you the completed form for your application, if you're comfortable submitting the renewal application yourself. The "visit" is a 2 minute phone call.

Need to renew our MMJ cards, but our original doctor isn't doing them any longer and didn't know anybody to send us to. Anybody have any recommendations on where to get a recommendation form filled out/signed? Preferably somewhere in the area bounded by NW 63rd - I-235 - Reno - I-44. Thx.

Just do it online! Super freaking quick and cheap! I used Chronic Docs - the process was a little weird but if you follow their instructions you'll be fine.

Online's a great idea, hadn't thought about it - thanks, both of y'all. And yes, jerry, we submitted our initial applications ourselves without a problem (well, except that my wife's pic was unacceptable due to bangs, stupidly enough, it took 2 rejections for them to finally tell us that), so we can do the renewal ourselves as well.

Are you willing to do telemed? https://www.15thstreetclinic.com/ does renewals for just $75, and they'll send you the completed form for your application, if you're comfortable submitting the renewal application yourself. The "visit" is a 2 minute phone call.

Started the process with them, kind of frustrating. Set an appt. for 10:45 today, doc texted and said he'd be in surgery at that time, so he needed to text or call later (it could be an emergency surgery, but since he had time to text me, and it was only 9:15 then, seems like it might not be, so the clinic should do better with the doctors' schedules). Then their emailed instructions told me I needed to email pics and my OMMA userid/pw to them even though I signed up for a self-service renewal, and also said an invoice was attached to the email, but it wasn't. Then I got a separate email with an invoice, but it had my full name in the "first name" field and nothing in the "last name" field. Apparently they charge $25 when you book, then $53.50 with the second invoice. And no explanation of the extra $3.50. Should've used Chronic Docs, they're 1/3 of the price, just want to get this ridiculousness over with, though I'll have my wife do Chronic Docs to see if they're any better.

For folks that have done renewals, how long does it take? Ours have been sitting in "Submitted" status at OMMA for 2 weeks now.

For folks that have done renewals, how long does it take? Ours have been sitting in "Submitted" status at OMMA for 2 weeks now.

I haven't done a renewal, but a friend of mine said that on his initial application it remained showing as "Submitted" until after he got the card in the mail.

I haven't done a renewal, but a friend of mine said that on his initial application it remained showing as "Submitted" until after he got the card in the mail.

:rolleyes: Good to know, thanks.

Well, this is ridiculous - both mine and my wife's applications (done on two different days about two weeks ago) got rejected yesterday because of a wrong date for our signature, and it's apparently because their system is f***ed up. When I edited my application after getting the rejection notice, it had a date of 5/something/2019 (should've gotten a screenshot, but was in a hurry just to get it re-submitted, got one for my wife's, though), and there's *no* way I would've let that slip. Hers had a date of 5/27/2019 when she edited hers yesterday (so the system takes the month and day from what it is currently and sticks 2019 on there????). No way both of us would've screwed up like that. And now, because they're idiots (or OMES are idiots, because they probably created and maintain the system), our edited applications are going to be rejected again because OMMA took so long that our DLs expire on 5/31, so we're going to have to wait until we get our new DLs (whenTF ever that might be), then re-re-submit.

They just need to legalize it recreationally, since that's what it is in all but name. If it was truly medical/medicinal, dispensaries would have a consistent supply of certain strains and you wouldn't have to guess as to which new strain they've gotten in will help with your symptoms like the strain you've been using for months, but they can't get now (it'd be like pharmacies running out of atorvastatin and saying "Well, we have this-statin and that-statin and the-other-statin, why don't you try one of those and see if it helps with your cholesterol?").

It's ridiculous how picky they get on these applications, especially when you're renewing. I've seen people get rejected for their photo that was perfectly acceptable for their passport (like, they went to a walgreens, got passport photos, and used them for both applications). What makes it worse is that it tends to take two weeks or more to even get the rejection.

I also noticed the date jump that happens in the application system, so you're not alone there.

It's ridiculous how picky they get on these applications, especially when you're renewing. I've seen people get rejected for their photo that was perfectly acceptable for their passport (like, they went to a walgreens, got passport photos, and used them for both applications). What makes it worse is that it tends to take two weeks or more to even get the rejection.

I also noticed the date jump that happens in the application system, so you're not alone there.

Thanks for the confirmation that we're not seeing things with the weird date crap, I emailed them with details and screenshot. And yeah, wife got rejected in 2019 for bangs being too long in her pic when her passport pic had her bangs longer than the OMMA pic. Really, OMMA - you're going to be more strict than the US Dept. of State? :doh::doh::doh:

Make it recreational

My initial application was denied over the photo issue as well.

This is nuts.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/highway-pot-bust-near-okc-prompts-wider-look-at-dispensaries-across-state/article_46d69eb4-c47e-11eb-b489-6ffe32a459a6.html

They just need to make marijuana recreational and lax the laws. It’s hard to believe we’re still making pot busts.

This is nuts.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/highway-pot-bust-near-okc-prompts-wider-look-at-dispensaries-across-state/article_46d69eb4-c47e-11eb-b489-6ffe32a459a6.html

They just need to make marijuana recreational and lax the laws. It’s hard to believe we’re still making pot busts.

There's nothing nuts about enforcing the sourcing laws. There is absolutely no reason for stores to go around the laws and source illegally. It's super easy to make money and be profitable as a dispensary while following the rules, and folks like this who break the laws endanger their customers, endanger the entire industry, and adds ammunition to the fire to the opposition to legalization. We shouldn't coddle or reward folks who want to act like marijuana is a corner drug business or a black market, and not a legit industry. Even with full legalization we would still be enforcing distribution and tracking laws, and wouldn't have changed this situation.

I'd expect this to be treated the same as if someone was bootlegging liquor.

This is not the same as bootlegging liquor. Alcohol is already widely recreationally legal so those two don’t compare. Marijuana just needs to be made legal recreationally. Hearing about pot busts left and right in Oklahoma is nuts. It’s not often you hear about a bootlegging or moonshine bust.

This is not the same as bootlegging liquor. Alcohol is already widely recreationally legal so those two don’t compare. Marijuana just needs to be made legal recreationally. Hearing about pot busts left and right in Oklahoma is nuts. It’s not often you hear about a bootlegging or moonshine bust.

This wasn't the case of some random person going out of state, buying weed, and getting busted bringing it in. This was a case of someone transmitting extremely large amounts of weed to supply store inventory. Weed that hasn't been tested. That there's no seed to shelf tracing. Weed that could contain all sorts of contaminants and more. Weed that wasn't properly taxed in Oklahoma, so the state (IE - all of us) loses out in those revenues. All for what? To try to cheat and make a little extra money. Stores can buy all the flower they want from certified Oklahoma suppliers. Opening a dispensary is basically like winning the lottery right now. If some store gets busted selling illegally sourced weed I hope they lose their license. It's the same that would happen if a liquor store was selling product illegally (I know of a store that lost their license because they restocked from another liquor store, for example - bars can also lose their license over this).

As for bootlegging busts? They happen. You don't hear about them because there aren't a bunch of people jumping in every time to act like it's some federal crime that the police actually enforced the laws. The pro-marijuana community need to grow up if they want to be treated like a real industry. Remember, this isn't about busting potheads. It's about protecting the citizens of the state of Oklahoma from potentially harmful products. This is EXACTLY what we want the law enforcement community focused on.

Oklahoma has the most generous medical marijuana laws in the country (as far as I'm aware). It's essentially legal for recreational, except that the state gets their cut with a license. And if people can't operate within these extremely loose laws legally it doesn't make a good argument for full legalization.

There are absolutely arguments for full legalization left and right. My point remains valid.

This wasn't the case of some random person going out of state, buying weed, and getting busted bringing it in. This was a case of someone transmitting extremely large amounts of weed to supply store inventory. Weed that hasn't been tested. That there's no seed to shelf tracing. Weed that could contain all sorts of contaminants and more. Weed that wasn't properly taxed in Oklahoma, so the state (IE - all of us) loses out in those revenues. All for what? To try to cheat and make a little extra money. Stores can buy all the flower they want from certified Oklahoma suppliers. Opening a dispensary is basically like winning the lottery right now. If some store gets busted selling illegally sourced weed I hope they lose their license. It's the same that would happen if a liquor store was selling product illegally (I know of a store that lost their license because they restocked from another liquor store, for example - bars can also lose their license over this).

As for bootlegging busts? They happen. You don't hear about them because there aren't a bunch of people jumping in every time to act like it's some federal crime that the police actually enforced the laws. The pro-marijuana community need to grow up if they want to be treated like a real industry. Remember, this isn't about busting potheads. It's about protecting the citizens of the state of Oklahoma from potentially harmful products. This is EXACTLY what we want the law enforcement community focused on.

Oklahoma has the most generous medical marijuana laws in the country (as far as I'm aware). It's essentially legal for recreational, except that the state gets their cut with a license. And if people can't operate within these extremely loose laws legally it doesn't make a good argument for full legalization.

:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:

As you can imagine, there are a lot of dodgy people involved in cannabis in this town.

You can argue for more relaxed laws but that does not change the fact there are all types of crazy things going on in that business and there has to be some sort of control/oversight.

Knowing what I know, there needs to be more regulation, not less. A lot of money flowing through that industry and lots of sleazy and dishonest people.

There are absolutely arguments for full legalization left and right. My point remains valid.

Maybe. But this case is more about tax evasion and product safety, and nothing to do with legalization. It's probably not the best example.

Very well said, Jerry.

Our State needs to put Recreational Marijuana on the ballot; give people an option on Medical or Recreational. Why? People with Medical Marijuana Cards are getting marijuana for recreational users as well--think about it.

I just helped my 78 year old mother with her application back east. Little more difficult, they require a specific ailment to approve you. She'll have her card in about 2 weeks. I may do the same for me.

Thanks for the confirmation that we're not seeing things with the weird date crap, I emailed them with details and screenshot. And yeah, wife got rejected in 2019 for bangs being too long in her pic when her passport pic had her bangs longer than the OMMA pic. Really, OMMA - you're going to be more strict than the US Dept. of State? :doh::doh::doh:

More :doh: - emailed OMMA last night asking what the status was, mentioning that their system mistakenly rejected my application (as well as my wife's and others I had heard about) for a wrong signature date, and I resubmitted it immediately and that was two weeks ago. This morning, the renewal application was approved (complete coincidence, I'm guessing :)). Wife got an email saying hers was approved also. Now I just have to wait another few days for the 30 days to be up for us not getting our new DLs in the mail, and I'll have to email *them*.

More :doh: - emailed OMMA last night asking what the status was, mentioning that their system mistakenly rejected my application (as well as my wife's and others I had heard about) for a wrong signature date, and I resubmitted it immediately and that was two weeks ago. This morning, the renewal application was approved (complete coincidence, I'm guessing :)). Wife got an email saying hers was approved also. Now I just have to wait another few days for the 30 days to be up for us not getting our new DLs in the mail, and I'll have to email *them*.

Heh, I requested a new birth certificate back in March and that still hasn't arrived yet. OSDH says "please allow up to 10 weeks for delivery" so I might have to start pestering them too (I know they got it cause they cashed the check I sent them). Gotta love Oklahoma government...

Our State needs to put Recreational Marijuana on the ballot; give people an option on Medical or Recreational. Why? People with Medical Marijuana Cards are getting marijuana for recreational users as well--think about it.

There were barely enough unpaid volunteers willing to get enough signatures to get SQ788 on the ballot, though. I don't know if there would be enough unpaid volunteers to do something like it again. 65,987 signatures were required for SQ788. 67,761 signatures were gathered. I gathered close to 1000 of them, mostly in Stillwater with 122+ in OKC. If I couldn't be bothered with getting any signatures and the same way with some other person who got around 1000 signatures, then SQ788 would have never made it to the ballot in 2018.

Since fewer signatures are required it would have to be for a statue change, rather than a state constitutional amendment. Yet, if passed for the statutes, you'd have to hope again state legislators won't gut it.

A lot of people couldn't believe legislators were too afraid to gut SQ788. But a bunch of losses to Republican incumbents in the June 2018 primary sobered them up into realizing they had best listen to the will of the voters including their 57% approved of SQ788. The governor and state legislators wisely stood back and let the state health department worry about implementing the nation's most liberal medical marijuana program as prescribed under SQ788..

There were barely enough unpaid volunteers willing to get enough signatures to get SQ788 on the ballot, though. I don't know if there would be enough unpaid volunteers to do something like it again. 65,987 signatures were required for SQ788. 67,761 signatures were gathered. I gathered close to 1000 of them, mostly in Stillwater with 122+ in OKC. If I couldn't be bothered with getting any signatures and the same way with some other person who got around 1000 signatures, then SQ788 would have never made it to the ballot in 2018.

Since fewer signatures are required it would have to be for a statue change, rather than a state constitutional amendment. Yet, if passed for the statutes, you'd have to hope again state legislators won't gut it.

A lot of people couldn't believe legislators were too afraid to gut SQ788. But a bunch of losses to Republican incumbents in the June 2018 primary sobered them up into realizing they had best listen to the will of the voters including their 57% approved of SQ788. The governor and state legislators wisely stood back and let the state health department worry about implementing the nation's most liberal medical marijuana program as prescribed under SQ788..

But now you have an established system of hot spots where pro-cannabis people congregate—dispensaries. Hang out outside the door of the dispensary, ask everyone going inside to sign. Who would say no? Getting the signatures would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

There were barely enough unpaid volunteers willing to get enough signatures to get SQ788 on the ballot, though. I don't know if there would be enough unpaid volunteers to do something like it again. 65,987 signatures were required for SQ788. 67,761 signatures were gathered. I gathered close to 1000 of them, mostly in Stillwater with 122+ in OKC. If I couldn't be bothered with getting any signatures and the same way with some other person who got around 1000 signatures, then SQ788 would have never made it to the ballot in 2018.

Since fewer signatures are required it would have to be for a statue change, rather than a state constitutional amendment. Yet, if passed for the statutes, you'd have to hope again state legislators won't gut it.

A lot of people couldn't believe legislators were too afraid to gut SQ788. But a bunch of losses to Republican incumbents in the June 2018 primary sobered them up into realizing they had best listen to the will of the voters including their 57% approved of SQ788. The governor and state legislators wisely stood back and let the state health department worry about implementing the nation's most liberal medical marijuana program as prescribed under SQ788..

I think they would easily get enough sigs. I think many folks were intimidated before but since it's out of the bag now people aren't going to be so gun shy about supporting this IMO. But the question is, will passing rec. actually be more restrictive than what we have now? I don't know the answer to that.

New lawsuits being filed against OMMA and possible new citizen lead petitions:

https://okcfox.com/news/local/new-lawsuit-filed-against-oklahoma-medical-marijuana-authority

I think it’s unfortunate that the cards only last two years. Should be four or eight years, like DLs.

Just a blatant money grab by the State.

By a state that can use every penny of it. Otherwise, stop playing games and approve rec pot.

^^^^ yeah this

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This is not the same as bootlegging liquor. Alcohol is already widely recreationally legal so those two don’t compare. Marijuana just needs to be made legal recreationally. Hearing about pot busts left and right in Oklahoma is nuts. It’s not often you hear about a bootlegging or moonshine bust.

Lol start bootleggin liquor and selling it in Byron's and watch what happens

Lol start bootleggin liquor and selling it in Byron's and watch what happens
Right or let’s just legalize recreational pot and end this silly debate.

Or let’s just let it drag out and watch the state conservatives butcher the law down as much as possible ya know

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/concerns-about-oklahoma-medical-marijuana-authority-oversight-renewed-with-new-directors-appointment/article_829dda76-01e5-11ec-a194-1bf965e98489.html

Right or let’s just legalize recreational pot and end this silly debate.

Or let’s just let it drag out and watch the state conservatives butcher the law down as much as possible ya know

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/concerns-about-oklahoma-medical-marijuana-authority-oversight-renewed-with-new-directors-appointment/article_829dda76-01e5-11ec-a194-1bf965e98489.html

there still would be pot busts ...

there still would be pot busts ...
Okay?

there still would be pot busts ...

Yeah I mean, everything is still regulated with you know, rules.

Yeah I mean, everything is still regulated with you know, rules.

Exactly. Even with full recreational there will still be enforcement of trafficking, production, and selling. There will still be oversight, and administration. There will still be people getting busted for illegally transporting and/or selling weed. As well as tax evasion, and other issues that will continue to need to be addressed. Full legalization isn't the absence of rules or enforcement. If anything, it will expand them. We'll have to grow/expand the OMMA when this happens, and probably significantly increase enforcement operations. And this will be a good thing.

Of course that is the point of legalizing something. Not sure why this keeps getting repeated.

Of course that is the point of legalizing something. Not sure why this keeps getting repeated.

Because of posts like this...


This is nuts.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/highway-pot-bust-near-okc-prompts-wider-look-at-dispensaries-across-state/article_46d69eb4-c47e-11eb-b489-6ffe32a459a6.html

They just need to make marijuana recreational and lax the laws. It’s hard to believe we’re still making pot busts.

and like this...


Right or let’s just legalize recreational pot and end this silly debate.

Or let’s just let it drag out and watch the state conservatives butcher the law down as much as possible ya know

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/concerns-about-oklahoma-medical-marijuana-authority-oversight-renewed-with-new-directors-appointment/article_829dda76-01e5-11ec-a194-1bf965e98489.html

Especially the first one, where you pretty clearly state that to you, legalization means no enforcement. If that's not what you meant, you should be clearer on your posts. And if it's not, then these posts really make no sense. So don't be upset when people take you at your word, based on your posts.

I’m not upset at all and you aren’t understanding my posts then because nowhere did I state the full legalization would mean no pot busts ever. You don’t believe if we had full legalization that pot busts would drop? Less rules and restrictions on who can consume pot and who can’t etc. When was the last time a moonshine operation was put in the news in this state? Compare that to the amount of pot busts.

I’m not upset at all and you aren’t understanding my posts then because nowhere did I state the full legalization would mean no pot busts ever. You don’t believe if we had full legalization that pot busts would drop? Less rules and restrictions on who can consume pot and who can’t etc. When was the last time a moonshine operation was put in the news in this state? Compare that to the amount of pot busts.

Trust me... when prohibition ended there was a lot of bootlegging/moonshine busts. Just because things have settled now (and they're not news) doesn't mean they didn't/don't happen. My family had a few bootleggers back in the day here in Oklahoma (the stories I could tell). None of the things you cited would change with legalization though. Those busts you've referenced would still be happening with full legalization, and would likely increase. The bigger the industry gets the more the old crime folks who depended on the income will try to get their piece. The same thing happened with alcohol, because organized crime was so dependent on that income back in the day.

As for recent busts, you probably don't notice because they're not something you look for but...

https://www.paulsvalleydailydemocrat.com/news/local_news/moonshine-bust-draws-lots-of-charges/article_157bbdb4-1c46-5f75-8d89-748ab21a0dd1.html

https://ktul.com/news/local/oklahoma-alcohol-regulators-use-drone-in-moonshine-bust-04-30-2019

https://tulsaworld.com/archive/extremely-large-moonshine-still-in-choctaw-county-leads-to-two-arrests/article_b2bcc547-9cd6-5f56-966d-438d7123558e.html

It's not super common, largely because most folks know the consequences, and it's not cheap and easy to set up a commercial moonshine operation on the sly. Weed is much easier barrier to entry, so I expect we'll continue to (rightfully) see these types of busts. We don't want folks flooding the market with unregulated, untaxed, and potentially unsafe product. They're not making busts of folks growing a plant or two for personal use. They're busting criminal enterprises which fund all sorts of horrible stuff.

So is it just me or are there a lot of weed shops closing down?

So is it just me or are there a lot of weed shops closing down?

Following the path of the nutrition shops, cbd shops, froyo shops, and tattoo shops before them.

So is it just me or are there a lot of weed shops closing down?

Maybe, but I also keep seeing new ones popping up, too. With as many shops as are in OKC alone, it's not surprising they all aren't making it.

So is it just me or are there a lot of weed shops closing down?

That happened in Colorado once the initial novelty wore off.

From OMMA:

July dispensaries: 2,274
August dispensaries: 2,325

When it comes to growth industries in Oklahoma, how about this:

Nearly 376,000 Oklahomans — roughly 10% of the state’s population — have medical marijuana cards, by far the highest share in the country, according to the Marijuana Policy Project.

New Mexico, by contrast, has the second-highest number at 5.35%, with Colorado at 1.5%.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oklahoma/articles/2021-08-15/colorado-pot-entrepreneurs-fuel-green-rush-in-oklahoma

Aren New Mexico and Colorado recreational? Why get a medical card in a recreational state?

Aren New Mexico and Colorado recreational? Why get a medical card in a recreational state?

You can get more and it costs less. Probably a good thing for people really needing to use it medically. But I am guessing a fair share of OK residents are just using it recreational but getting the license.

Additionally, having a medical card helps you if you travel, since certain states are reciprocal (or like in DC, where the only true dispensaries require a medical license even though recreational is legal there).

I didn't know that recreational was legal in DC.
So in the place that won't change the law so I could get a card they have recreational.
Not fair.