Probably a fairly good job for whoever is responsible for "emptying" that trash can. We have one at Co Springs airport but I don't think at Denver. TSA at DIA don't even check or care about marijuana in luggage. Co Springs is militant about it.

I had 1 single edible in my backpack once going through COS, I had forgotten about it completely. I was walked to the back by a police officer who had to witness me dispose of it and sign some BS note admitting I would never attempt a Class 1 narcotics transport ever again.

The last time I cleaned that backpack out was probably a year prior to that, so I went through TSA at Denver and Oklahoma City about a dozen times since that incident without even a question or concern, a real Barney Fife police force we have in Colorado Springs.

in some ways you are lucky they didn't charge you with a felony

which just makes the federal law that much more absurd

The last time I cleaned that backpack out was probably a year prior to that, so I went through TSA at Denver and Oklahoma City about a dozen times since that incident without even a question or concern, a real Barney Fife police force we have in Colorado Springs.

It's really not surprising to hear that about Colorado Springs. Aren't recreational dispensaries still banned in the city limits?

Regarding Oklahoma I'd say this is noteworthy.

https://oklahoman.com/article/5652602/marijuana-climbs-the-retail-ladderbrdispensaries-generate-more-sales-tax-revenue-for-okc-than-bars-in-december


in some ways you are lucky they didn't charge you with a felony

which just makes the federal law that much more absurd

I wonder how long it's going to be before the national GOP finally comes around on cannabis. Support for legalization at the grassroots level is bipartisan at this point but in terms of the politicians, we have a situation where most Republicans are against it and most Democrats are for it.

New Breathalyzer for Weed? Q&A with Attorney John Hunsucker (https://thehappyogle.com/2020/04/30/new-breathalyzer-for-weed-qa-with-attorney-john-hunsucker/)

His advice, shut up and no field tests I get, but the article is less clear about blood test. If you don't, it's automatic suspension of your license for up to three years. Let's say you used some MJ a couple of nights ago legally and blood test shows positive two days later. Then what? Since there is no threshold, automatic charge for DUI which a lawyer would then attempt to challenge on various defenses, like illegal stop? Maybe argue that you weren’t impaired?

New Breathalyzer for Weed? Q&A with Attorney John Hunsucker (https://thehappyogle.com/2020/04/30/new-breathalyzer-for-weed-qa-with-attorney-john-hunsucker/)

Mr. Hunsucker is frequent poster on this site.

Yep, part of why I posted it. :)

His advice, shut up and no field tests I get, but the article is less clear about blood test. If you don't, it's automatic suspension of your license for up to three years. Let's say you used some MJ a couple of nights ago legally and blood test shows positive two days later. Then what? Since there is no threshold, automatic charge for DUI which a lawyer would then attempt to challenge on various defenses, like illegal stop? Maybe argue that you weren’t impaired?

Really hard to answer this in a nutshell but will give basic. It is a catch 22. If you refuse the test, you will lose your license for refusing to take a state's test. That will carry a 180 day if first time or 1 year or 3 years if prior revocations. If yu take the test and only have marijuana in your system....there is no license loss as long as you don't take a conviction for DUI on criminal side. Although taking the test will show presence, we can ask for an independent test which will show active vs. inactive metabolites which can be argued that you are not impaired. A lot of this depends on the facts of each case. If the officer is asking you to take the test, then you have already been arrested and you are going to get a DUI charge whether you take the test.

Thanks for the input!

Moonmix with another recall.

I hope Jeep can answer this, but what are the chances of a class action lawsuit since they advertise 100% pesticide free on their packaging?

Moonmix with another recall.

I hope Jeep can answer this, but what are the chances of a class action lawsuit since they advertise 100% pesticide free on their packaging?

I would think possible. However, unless you can show some type of physical harm.....damages would be very limited. Would be easy to determine the class though as I assume (but could easily be mistaken) each sale is recorded and then would be able to determine who is in the class. The question is whether there are sufficient insurance or assets. Doesn't do any good to get a judgment if they don't have anything to recover. Ie...can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.

Is there any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, regarding the frequency of DUI arrests for cannabis since the legalization of medical? Just wondering I suppose how often someone has been pulled over and DUI'd for cannabis intoxication. Anecdotally, are the law enforcement groups starting to realize the sheer scope of users, and just simply let's say write the speeding ticket, even though the person ticketed may smell of cannabis?

Is there any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, regarding the frequency of DUI arrests for cannabis since the legalization of medical? Just wondering I suppose how often someone has been pulled over and DUI'd for cannabis intoxication. Anecdotally, are the law enforcement groups starting to realize the sheer scope of users, and just simply let's say write the speeding ticket, even though the person ticketed may smell of cannabis?

We are one of the two (if not the largest) largest DUI Defense firms in the State. I haven't seen any actual numbers but I can tell you that we haven't seen any major increase in DUI-D charges since the law change. There has been a few but not a lot. The same guy that would drive impaired now would have been driving impaired before with the only difference being now he bought it legally. If I get a chance today...I'll see if there are any readily available numbers.

You still have to have probable cause for an arrest so if you are taking theraputic levels and aren't impaired...the officer will have difficulty establishing PC for arrest.

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Are there legally accepted rules for cannabis field sobriety tests, or are there just field sobriety tests? Which then of course devolves into the whole mess of what is "impairment" for a medical cannabis user, and how that might be litigated. Coming up on 2 years since implementation, strange there is not a lot of public knowledge with respect to medical. I know people that have not been without a cannabis high for multiple decades.... and show none of the outward signs that a regular person would consider impairment ala alcohol or pills. Yet, if arrested by a cop as they are "expert witnesses" they would test positive according to the levels measurable as listed above. But my understanding is that no state has really come to full grips with this issue. Thanks again!

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Are there legally accepted rules for cannabis field sobriety tests, or are there just field sobriety tests? Which then of course devolves into the whole mess of what is "impairment" for a medical cannabis user, and how that might be litigated. Coming up on 2 years since implementation, strange there is not a lot of public knowledge with respect to medical. I know people that have not been without a cannabis high for multiple decades.... and show none of the outward signs that a regular person would consider impairment ala alcohol or pills. Yet, if arrested by a cop as they are "expert witnesses" they would test positive according to the levels measurable as listed above. But my understanding is that no state has really come to full grips with this issue. Thanks again!

I'd be curious to hear an attorney's thoughts on how this would stand up in court.

https://www.news9.com/story/5ec4947b590b2b0b9da9078e/oklahoma-to-test-marijuana-breathalyzer-in-dps-pilot-program

I'd be curious to hear an attorney's thoughts on how this would stand up in court.

https://www.news9.com/story/5ec4947b590b2b0b9da9078e/oklahoma-to-test-marijuana-breathalyzer-in-dps-pilot-program

https://thehappyogle.com/2020/05/21/oklahoma-pushes-to-be-first-in-nation-to-use-weed-breathalyzers/

https://thehappyogle.com/2020/05/21/oklahoma-pushes-to-be-first-in-nation-to-use-weed-breathalyzers/

Lol. I remember talking to TLO but never saw the story.

To answer the other question Standardized Field Sobriety Tests were designed and tested for alcohol impairment. Police also now use DRE (Drug Recognition Evaluation) which was designed by 2 LA cops. They try and claim some validity to it but it is basically junk voodoo. After their SFST course (40 hours), DRE school is a 7 day course (taught by cops...not toxicologists, pharmacists or medical professional) in which supposedly the officer can determine not only that you are impaired but can determine what you are impaired by.

That sounds like the "have someone write out a statement and you can solve an investigation by looking at their wording choices" thing I saw go by earlier this year. Why do police use so many investigation methodologies that are just trash? Rhetorical question, of course.

Good news here with several other states now legalizing. Oregon just decriminalized ALL drugs which is a great step forward.

https://apple.news/ANgJxy5ZfSeSIaNN8U4I3_Q

South Dakota passed full legalization last night, both rec & med. If that state can pass rec, then I would think the same thing stands a pretty good chance of passing in Oklahoma whenever it gets onto the ballot.

South Dakota passed full legalization last night, both rec & med. If that state can pass rec, then I would think the same thing stands a pretty good chance of passing in Oklahoma whenever it gets onto the ballot.

the the medical OK has I'm not sure there will be a big push for rec any time soon ....

the the medical OK has I'm not sure there will be a big push for rec any time soon ....Really. When you can get a card online using any one of 1001 qualifying conditions. I just wish it would become legal Nationally.

I just wish we could legalize recreational before it gets legalized nationally. We could be pulling in money hand over fist from Texas and other surrounding states right now with recreational marijuana. Although our medical is basically recreational already, you still have to have an Oklahoma address. It’s basically recreational for okies only. Absolutely stupid to leave all of that potential revenue on the table. Especially since recreational becoming legal nation wide is inevitable anyway.

I just wish we could legalize recreational before it gets legalized nationally. We could be pulling in money hand over fist from Texas and other surrounding states right now with recreational marijuana. Although our medical is basically recreational already, you still have to have an Oklahoma address. It’s basically recreational for okies only. Absolutely stupid to leave all of that potential revenue on the table. Especially since recreational becoming legal nation wide is inevitable anyway.

i doubt rec will ever be legalized nationally


it will and should be decriminalized nationally so that states can make their own decisions ..

I just wish we could legalize recreational before it gets legalized nationally. We could be pulling in money hand over fist from Texas and other surrounding states right now with recreational marijuana. Although our medical is basically recreational already, you still have to have an Oklahoma address. It’s basically recreational for okies only. Absolutely stupid to leave all of that potential revenue on the table. Especially since recreational becoming legal nation wide is inevitable anyway.

Agree with this. Living in CO, l was against rec. pot at first but there is definitely a negative correlation between pot use and alcohol use. DUIs dropped 15% the first 3 years.

The main suggestions l would have for OK, if it hasn't already been changed, is to allow communities to opt out if they wish and to limit where shops can be and prevent concentrations.

Agree with this. Living in CO, l was against rec. pot at first but there is definitely a negative correlation between pot use and alcohol use. DUIs dropped 15% the first 3 years.

The main suggestions l would have for OK, if it hasn't already been changed, is to allow communities to opt out if they wish and to limit where shops can be and prevent concentrations.

oklahoma already has more dispensarys per capita then colorado

i doubt rec will ever be legalized nationally


it will and should be decriminalized nationally so that states can make their own decisions ..

I don't mean that there will be a federal law that legalizes it everywhere, i meant that it will eventually be fully legal in every state. Oklahoma may as well bank a few extra billion dollars between now and then.

I don't mean that there will be a federal law that legalizes it everywhere, i meant that it will eventually be fully legal in every state. Oklahoma may as well bank a few extra billion dollars between now and then.

that is a solid point and really a different way to look at it that i had not really thought about .. ( it is defacto legal now for ok residents) so maybe we should make a bunch of money off of it ...

The funny difference between here and the political forum. A few weeks back there I suggested we should legalize it and tax it, and was attacked. Comments like "maybe we should tax tylenol" and "why don't we just tax oil instead".

oklahoma already has more dispensarys per capita then colorado

My point exactly. The CO law limited locations and included the ability for community opt-out. The original OK law didn't, resulting in the absurd number of "medicinal" dispensaries in OK.

My point exactly. The CO law limited locations and included the ability for community opt-out. The original OK law didn't, resulting in the absurd number of "medicinal" dispensaries in OK.I was stopped at a red light on NW Exp yesterday. I noticed that the old car wash is opening as a dispensary. With it open you could stand at that intersection and hit 3 dispensaries with decent rock throws.

that is a solid point and really a different way to look at it that i had not really thought about .. ( it is defacto legal now for ok residents) so maybe we should make a bunch of money off of it ...

I was reading where the The state took in around $30 million in taxes between Jan-Jul in 2020 from the 7% excise tax and an additional $39 million in state and local sales taxes during the same time period.

that's all with only 332,000 "customers" with active patient cards in the entire state (as of Aug 3rd).

I cant even fathom what that state and local revenue number would jump to if we allowed Texans to come in to our state and buy legally. The total amount of people with MM cards in Oklahoma is less than 5% of the population of just the Dallas metroplex.

I don't think it would be unreasonable to say that legalizing recreational could potentially account for $500 million a year in tax revenue for the state with the vast majority of that being out of state money being put into the state. All without raising any taxes.

My point exactly. The CO law limited locations and included the ability for community opt-out. The original OK law didn't, resulting in the absurd number of "medicinal" dispensaries in OK.

Oklahoma is all about that free market. The market will correct itself! On the plus side a lot of old crap looking buidlings are now really nice looking dispensaries. Better than a falling apart gas station.

Oklahoma is all about that free market. The market will correct itself.

exactly. yes a bunch will open and horribly run businesses will fail and those that don't make money will fail, and we will see a significant reduction in them... there have already been several close around norman

I don't think it would be unreasonable to say that legalizing recreational could potentially account for $500 million a year in tax revenue for the state with the vast majority of that being out of state money being put into the state. All without raising any taxes.

I'm not sure if it would be that high, but it definitely is a non-zero number and it's money being left on the table. I do agree there is some pot tourism, but remember that folks can't come across the border and purchase and drive it back across (legally). And as more states add to the list of either medical or recreational (which between the two is now a majority of the states) that tourism will be smaller. Is Colorado even doing $500 million in tax revenue a year yet?

I'm not sure if it would be that high, but it definitely is a non-zero number and it's money being left on the table. I do agree there is some pot tourism, but remember that folks can't come across the border and purchase and drive it back across (legally). And as more states add to the list of either medical or recreational (which between the two is now a majority of the states) that tourism will be smaller. Is Colorado even doing $500 million in tax revenue a year yet?

They were over 1 billion last year actually. https://www.denverpost.com/2019/06/12/colorado-marijuana-revenue-one-billion/

They were over 1 billion last year actually. https://www.denverpost.com/2019/06/12/colorado-marijuana-revenue-one-billion/

That's a billion in total since 2014.

I'm not sure if it would be that high, but it definitely is a non-zero number and it's money being left on the table. I do agree there is some pot tourism, but remember that folks can't come across the border and purchase and drive it back across (legally). And as more states add to the list of either medical or recreational (which between the two is now a majority of the states) that tourism will be smaller. Is Colorado even doing $500 million in tax revenue a year yet?

I agree with you 100 percent. That is why Oklahoma needs to do this immediately. The economic gains we would potentially make by fully legalizing only exist as long as other states (mostly Texas) keep it illegal. It wont be illegal there forever. We only have a small window of time to do this in order to maximize our potential profit.

I agree with you 100 percent. That is why Oklahoma needs to do this immediately. The economic gains we would potentially make by fully legalizing only exist as long as other states (mostly Texas) keep it illegal. It wont be illegal there forever. We only have a small window of time to do this in order to maximize our potential profit.

Agreed.

I'm not sure if it would be that high, but it definitely is a non-zero number and it's money being left on the table. I do agree there is some pot tourism, but remember that folks can't come across the border and purchase and drive it back across (legally). And as more states add to the list of either medical or recreational (which between the two is now a majority of the states) that tourism will be smaller. Is Colorado even doing $500 million in tax revenue a year yet?

Oklahoma is on target to bring in ~$140 million in tax revenue in 2020 with just 330,000 people legally allowed to purchase marijuana in the entire state. Its not far fetched to assume OK could potentially triple that revenue number by adding 20 million more potential customers.

That's a billion in total since 2014.

You are correct! I misread that completely. Looks like about ~$302 million in 2019.

Could you imagine the pot shop at Winstar? :eek:

Oklahoma is on target to bring in ~$140 million in tax revenue in 2020 with just 330,000 people legally allowed to purchase marijuana in the entire state. Its not far fetched to assume OK could potentially triple that revenue number by adding 20 million more potential customers.

How much revenue would they lose by eliminating the registration fee though? I'm fairly certain I spent more on that fee than I have on marijuana taxes.

How much revenue would they lose by eliminating the registration fee though? I'm fairly certain I spent more on that fee than I have on marijuana taxes.

That reminds me of something else I was thinking about. Since we're now at the point that folks will be having to get their licenses renewed, I wonder if this will motivate folks to get recreational legalized.

Could you imagine the pot shop at Winstar? :eek:

Is there anything preventing the tribes from selling now? I thought I remember the guidance for the feds stated that the same hands-off policy for enforcement for the states would apply to the reservations. If that's true, couldn't they already be selling recreational if they wanted to?

Of course, if they do, it's not like we'll see any money from that.

I don't mean that there will be a federal law that legalizes it everywhere, i meant that it will eventually be fully legal in every state. Oklahoma may as well bank a few extra billion dollars between now and then.Go ahead crush my hope. LOL! At least I can retire in a few years and then I can do the medical.

My point exactly. The CO law limited locations and included the ability for community opt-out. The original OK law didn't, resulting in the absurd number of "medicinal" dispensaries in OK.

Why do you want to limit a legal establishment? The law of supply and demand will take care of what needs taken care of.

Its kind of like liquor stores. They wouldn't be much different. if you have areas where there are too many of them clustered in one area, clustered near residential areas, parks or schools, they can attract crime (in Colorado, they are cash only - don't know about OK) and harm surrounding property values. Also, though not as much as grow installations, they do emit that skunkish smell. One is OK. Clustering 4 or 5 in a block and surrounding areas smell skunkish all the time.

There are areas in Denver where there is that demand and folks are fine having their corner store but it's one of those businesses where too many can be too many.

Agree with this. Living in CO, l was against rec. pot at first but there is definitely a negative correlation between pot use and alcohol use. DUIs dropped 15% the first 3 years.

The main suggestions l would have for OK, if it hasn't already been changed, is to allow communities to opt out if they wish and to limit where shops can be and prevent concentrations.

Counties and/or cities don't have the right to opt out of liquor stores. Why should they have the right to opt out of rec marijuana stores?

Respecting the wishes of the community. If there are entire towns in all-blue Colorado that opt out, there will be many in OK. It wouldn't be any different than Texas where towns can opt out of liquor stores....just drive an extra couple of miles or grow your own.

You kind of said it yourself -- "the right to opt out...."

The big problem right now, and the reason it needs to be legal federally, is that marijuana businesses have substantial disadvantages now because of federal laws. Banks will not do business with you because you are technically committing a federal crime, so that means no bank account (and everything done in cash) and more importantly, no loans.

Also, because you are technically committing a federal crime, you get taxed out the ass. For most businesses, if you sell $100 worth of product but spend $25 on overhead costs, you get taxed on the $75 in profit you made. For marijuana businesses, since that $25 is spent on "illegal activity", you can't write it off, and you get taxed on the full $100. (There are probably some nuances there I'm skating over but that's the summary that my CPA gave me.)


Is there anything preventing the tribes from selling now? I thought I remember the guidance for the feds stated that the same hands-off policy for enforcement for the states would apply to the reservations. If that's true, couldn't they already be selling recreational if they wanted to?

Of course, if they do, it's not like we'll see any money from that.

The Chickasaws refuse to recognize SQ 788, since it's state law, and thus their position is that it doesn't apply to them. You can still get arrested for possession of marijuana by tribal police if you visit one of their casinos with it, even if you have a medical card.

Other tribes may have different stances on it.

Other tribes may have different stances on it.

I believe the Creek Nation recently recognized this, and passed legislation approving medical exemption. So the tribes are definitely seeing this, and making changes.

https://www.mcn-nsn.gov/muscogee-creek-nation-passes-legislation-for-medical-marijuana-exemption/

The big problem right now, and the reason it needs to be legal federally, is that marijuana businesses have substantial disadvantages now because of federal laws. Banks will not do business with you because you are technically committing a federal crime, so that means no bank account (and everything done in cash) and more importantly, no loans.

Also, because you are technically committing a federal crime, you get taxed out the ass. For most businesses, if you sell $100 worth of product but spend $25 on overhead costs, you get taxed on the $75 in profit you made. For marijuana businesses, since that $25 is spent on "illegal activity", you can't write it off, and you get taxed on the full $100. (There are probably some nuances there I'm skating over but that's the summary that my CPA gave me.)



The Chickasaws refuse to recognize SQ 788, since it's state law, and thus their position is that it doesn't apply to them. You can still get arrested for possession of marijuana by tribal police if you visit one of their casinos with it, even if you have a medical card.

Other tribes may have different stances on it.

It is up to the Bank to take deposits related to Marijuana-related businesses. There are several Banks in OKC that are accepting deposits, but it's not cheap. Fees are pretty comparable with the Banks participating, but are charging around ~$1,000/month plus ~50-75 bps on the balance monthly.

I came across this article over the weekend and thought folks might enjoy it.

How One of the Reddest States Became the Nation’s Hottest Weed Market (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/27/toke-lahoma-cannabis-market-oklahoma-red-state-weed-legalization-437782)
Oklahoma entered the world of legal cannabis late, but its hands-off approach launched a boom and a new nickname: ‘Toke-lahoma.’


This article talks about it, but I've also seen it elsewhere mentioned that Oklahoma has crossed the $1 Billion mark in sales of cannabis.

And I see new dispensaries open almost weekly. Though this one might have been there a while I just noticed Green Dog Dispensary right next to Red Dog Saloon. Get your pot and have a beer!!!

And I see new dispensaries open almost weekly. Though this one might have been there a while I just noticed Green Dog Dispensary right next to Red Dog Saloon. Get your pot and have a beer!!!

Interesting. I wonder if Red Dog is still a smoking establishment. If so, they could be one stop shop. Don't forget their "burgers with a view".

Interesting. I wonder if Red Dog is still a smoking establishment. If so, they could be one stop shop. Don't forget their "burgers with a view".
Very good point.

A new bill was passed by the house to decriminalize marijuana nationwide among other things.


Opponents, mostly Republicans, called the bill a hollow political gesture and criticized Democrats for bringing it up at a time when thousands of Americans are dying from the coronavirus pandemic.

https://kfor.com/news/us-house-passes-historic-bill-that-would-decriminalize-cannabis-on-the-federal-level/

This crap pisses me off. The republicans have had years to address this issue while no pandemic was going on yet all of the sudden they are unable to do two or more things at once now. Their pathetic attempt at using COVID as an excuse to keep marijuana illegal is ridiculous but although ironic given their leader said he wouldn’t support Pelosi's bill that would have enacted coronavirus relief. Sheesh.

https://kfor.com/news/us-house-passes-historic-bill-that-would-decriminalize-cannabis-on-the-federal-level/

Just another example of House Republicans being a bunch of dip****s.

the bill is filled with lots of other things .. that are garbage

a clean bill would likely pass both chambers

the bill is filled with lots of other things .. that are garbage

a clean bill would likely pass both chambers

What specific portions of the bill are garbage and would need to be removed to get the Senate to approve?