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bchris02
06-20-2019, 04:16 PM
Texas State Troopers will be setting up shop at each crossing of the Red River when this happens.

It's already really bad in that area.

OKC Guy
06-20-2019, 04:29 PM
Speaking of recreational marijuana, imagine all of the money the state will make in a few years if OK goes rec and TX doesn't even have medical?

I used to always think Okies would be driving to Gainesville for legal weed. Now its looking a lot more likely that Texans will be driving to Thackerville.

Build some pot hotels and Taco Bells with delivery so they can come up and stay on weekends. Pot industry subsidizes the hotels. That way they can make it a smoking weekend and no need to take back. $$$

bchris02
06-20-2019, 04:31 PM
Build some pot hotels and Taco Bells with delivery so they can come up and stay on weekends. Pot industry subsidizes the hotels. That way they can make it a smoking weekend and no need to take back. $$$

Have you ever been to Trinidad, CO?

It was kind of a rundown town when I visited back in the early 2000s but now it's actually pretty nice. A lot of money as flowed into that town from pot tourism. It's also a beautiful and very underrated part of Colorado.

Bunty
06-21-2019, 03:40 AM
Speaking of recreational marijuana, imagine all of the money the state will make in a few years if OK goes rec and TX doesn't even have medical?

I used to always think Okies would be driving to Gainesville for legal weed. Now its looking a lot more likely that Texans will be driving to Thackerville.

But a poll in 2018 found only 31.7% of Oklahomans supported legalizing rec marijuana.
https://soonerpoll.com/news9-newson6-poll-shows-voters-oppose-recreational-marijuana/

baralheia
06-21-2019, 12:21 PM
But a poll in 2018 found only 31.7% of Oklahomans supported legalizing rec marijuana.
https://soonerpoll.com/news9-newson6-poll-shows-voters-oppose-recreational-marijuana/

Sure, in 2018. I'm curious what the sentiment is now, now that medical is in effect and that the naysayers' predictions of doom have not come to pass.

BoulderSooner
06-21-2019, 12:45 PM
Sure, in 2018. I'm curious what the sentiment is now, now that medical is in effect and that the naysayers' predictions of doom have not come to pass.

might even be lower support now with how many places have opened

baralheia
06-21-2019, 01:09 PM
might even be lower support now with how many places have opened

That.... doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay.

I would really like to see polling data to confirm or disprove this, but my gut feeling - based on conversations with friends, coworkers, and acquaintances - is support for rec has increased in the months since medical was legalized. None of the doom and gloom anti-marijuana predictions have come to pass.

bchris02
06-21-2019, 01:28 PM
That.... doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay.

I would really like to see polling data to confirm or disprove this, but my gut feeling - based on conversations with friends, coworkers, and acquaintances - is support for rec has increased in the months since medical was legalized. None of the doom and gloom anti-marijuana predictions have come to pass.

I agree with this.

Hardcore fundamentalist Christians are always going to be biased against it and their minds aren't changing. They are the same people who opposed liquor by the drink, legalizing tattoos and casinos, and opposed wine/strong beer in grocery stores. For everyone else, I think support has gone nowhere but up. I think OK will have rec within 5 years.

jccouger
06-21-2019, 01:55 PM
That.... doesn't make a lot of sense, but okay.

I would really like to see polling data to confirm or disprove this, but my gut feeling - based on conversations with friends, coworkers, and acquaintances - is support for rec has increased in the months since medical was legalized. None of the doom and gloom anti-marijuana predictions have come to pass.

I think it makes sense.

People may have been in support, but seeing the explosion on every street corner may give a little shock to most of the conservative people who supported medical. They may have thought it would have a minor impact but seeing it on almost every turn may end up being off putting.

None of this is steeped in fact, but I could definitely see the mindset of some people being influenced in that way.

Pete
06-21-2019, 02:06 PM
Oklahoma is virtually rec anyway.

The only real difference is that you have to get a patient card, which is little more than a formality and $100 + doctor's fee.

GoGators
06-21-2019, 02:24 PM
There are actually people who would rather see empty store fronts than a MM shop? Literally the only thing I have noticed since this law has passed is that stores that have set empty for long periods of time now have tax generating businesses operating in them. How anyone can look at that as a bad thing honestly blows my mind.

TheTravellers
06-21-2019, 06:22 PM
There are actually people who would rather see empty store fronts than a MM shop? Literally the only thing I have noticed since this law has passed is that stores that have set empty for long periods of time now have tax generating businesses operating in them. How anyone can look at that as a bad thing honestly blows my mind.


:yeahthat: :tiphat:

Soonerman
06-22-2019, 08:30 AM
There are actually people who would rather see empty store fronts than a MM shop? Literally the only thing I have noticed since this law has passed is that stores that have set empty for long periods of time now have tax generating businesses operating in them. How anyone can look at that as a bad thing honestly blows my mind.
Right

OkieNate
06-22-2019, 08:33 AM
Oklahoma is virtually rec anyway.

The only real difference is that you have to get a patient card, which is little more than a formality and $100 + doctor's fee.

This is 100% accurate.

jccouger
06-22-2019, 02:38 PM
There are actually people who would rather see empty store fronts than a MM shop? Literally the only thing I have noticed since this law has passed is that stores that have set empty for long periods of time now have tax generating businesses operating in them. How anyone can look at that as a bad thing honestly blows my mind.

Are you really gonna assume 100% of the population is completely rational, while at the same time marijuana is largely still illegal? Thats a dangerous assumption.

PurpleChicken
06-22-2019, 09:07 PM
So all the people who hate products of the tobacco industry and were worried about future health problems and the drag on our health facilities, thus taxing them out of business have no problem with any health repercussions from cannabis? Meanwhile, NY City limits the size of a Big Gulp due to health concerns. Seems like a double standard IMO.

bchris02
06-22-2019, 09:19 PM
So all the people who hate products of the tobacco industry and were worried about future health problems and the drag on our health facilities, thus taxing them out of business have no problem with any health repercussions from cannabis? Meanwhile, NY City limits the size of a Big Gulp due to health concerns. Seems like a double standard IMO.

But they aren't locking people up and giving people felony records that last a lifetime for big gulps and they aren't for tobacco.

Why do social conservatives fear cannabis so much that they believe prohibition and criminalization is an acceptable policy?

d-usa
06-22-2019, 09:57 PM
So all the people who hate products of the tobacco industry and were worried about future health problems and the drag on our health facilities, thus taxing them out of business have no problem with any health repercussions from cannabis? Meanwhile, NY City limits the size of a Big Gulp due to health concerns. Seems like a double standard IMO.

Treat it the same as tobacco, and tax both. Simple answer to a simple argument.

jonny d
06-22-2019, 10:08 PM
But they aren't locking people up and giving people felony records that last a lifetime for big gulps and they aren't for tobacco.

Why do social conservatives fear cannabis so much that they believe prohibition and criminalization is an acceptable policy?

Most don't. You are taking a vocal minority and extrapolating it to the majority. If OK put recreational marijuana to a vote of the people, I believe 100% that it would pass. I wish you would quite throwing around generalities against the "Conservatives". It really weakens your arguments when you resort to ad hominem statements.

bchris02
06-23-2019, 10:46 AM
Most don't. You are taking a vocal minority and extrapolating it to the majority. If OK put recreational marijuana to a vote of the people, I believe 100% that it would pass. I wish you would quite throwing around generalities against the "Conservatives". It really weakens your arguments when you resort to ad hominem statements.

I said social conservatives and I believe that is accurate.

TheTravellers
06-23-2019, 02:15 PM
So all the people who hate products of the tobacco industry and were worried about future health problems and the drag on our health facilities, thus taxing them out of business have no problem with any health repercussions from cannabis? Meanwhile, NY City limits the size of a Big Gulp due to health concerns. Seems like a double standard IMO.

Can you cite any of these "health repercussions" from cannabis (which is actually useful medicinally, unlike tobacco which has pretty much no accepted medical use at all)?

BlackmoreRulz
06-23-2019, 03:05 PM
Just wondered if there has been any reports of robbery attempts at any of these dispensaries? With them being a cash only business, seems like they would be prime targets, are there heavy security details at these places?

PurpleChicken
06-23-2019, 05:36 PM
Can you cite any of these "health repercussions" from cannabis (which is actually useful medicinally, unlike tobacco which has pretty much no accepted medical use at all)?

Is there anything I post which you would agree with?

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

PurpleChicken
06-23-2019, 05:37 PM
Can you cite any of these "health repercussions" from cannabis (which is actually useful medicinally, unlike tobacco which has pretty much no accepted medical use at all)?

https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

TheTravellers
06-23-2019, 06:01 PM
https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

"However, it's not possible to establish whether these (air pockets between lung and chest wall and air bubbles in the lungs) occur more frequently among marijuana smokers than the general population."

"Smoking marijuana can harm more than just the lungs and respiratory system—it can also affect the immune system and the body's ability to fight disease,"

"There is little known on the potential lung health effects of inhaling marijuana or products made from it through routes other than smoking"

"While there is no data on the health consequences of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke..."

Lots of mays, cans, don't knows from them. I will agree that it *can* cause problems to the lungs while smoking it, smoking cigarettes is most likely exponentially incredibly more harmful to the lungs and body. Has anybody ever compared the lungs of a 20-year-cigarette smoker to a 20-year-marijuana smoker? Would be interesting, I'd bet.

TheTravellers
06-23-2019, 06:08 PM
Is there anything I post which you would agree with?

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Well, since this link comes from drugabuse.gov, it might not be unbiased, but let's go with it...

Not even going to get into the short-term effects, that's not pertinent to the discussions, IMO, I'm mainly interested in how bad MJ is for your body in the long run vs. cigarettes.

Yeah, teenagers might have brain development problems, but they probably shouldn't be smoking it at 13 anyway, or cigarettes, for that matter.

Pregnant women shouldn't smoke it because, well duh, they shouldn't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol either.

Really, not much else health-wise to go on in that article that is definitive.

I'll say it again, MJ is way more useful medicinally and the benefits far outweigh the negative side affects than cigarettes, which have been linked to cancer and can kill you and have no medicinal value at all (at least I don't know of any medical use for cigarettes). Also, I don't believe there have ever been any deaths linked directly to marijuana or its side effects (excepting the stupid things people did while high and been killed, like walking on railroad tracks, etc.).

TheTravellers
06-23-2019, 06:10 PM
Just wondered if there has been any reports of robbery attempts at any of these dispensaries? With them being a cash only business, seems like they would be prime targets, are there heavy security details at these places?

I think there were 2 reported in the Gazette a while ago, at different dispensaries, not sure of the details since they happened a few months back. I suspect they have cameras, and maybe other kinds of passive detectors, but don't know if any of them have an actual set of security people.

OkieNate
06-26-2019, 04:37 PM
Happy 788 passing day! Go Oklahoma!

Pete
06-26-2019, 05:06 PM
Pick up the Gazette that was published today.

Great cover story "1AC"; one year after medical cannabis. Great summary of how far we've come and where things look to be heading.

Bunty
06-26-2019, 06:35 PM
There are actually people who would rather see empty store fronts than a MM shop? Literally the only thing I have noticed since this law has passed is that stores that have set empty for long periods of time now have tax generating businesses operating in them. How anyone can look at that as a bad thing honestly blows my mind.

Yeah, in rural Oklahoma where in many cases SQ788 was defeated by 60 to 80% margins.

FighttheGoodFight
06-27-2019, 08:59 AM
Checking out the recreational shops in Colorado were interesting. They selection was great and the people who came in were from all walks a life. Pretty strange experience but I am thinking in the next 10 years this could be the norm in America.

Plutonic Panda
11-20-2019, 01:43 PM
I haven’t checked how real this is but it would be nice to finally see it:

https://thefreshtoast.com/news/congress-could-decriminalize-marijuana-this-week/?fbclid=IwAR3HLHejy9yQv3yN4gXwYQyjkOphzrnWJmW1G9wy 4UmXwDSRPR_EB8PFLek

Mr. Blue Sky
11-20-2019, 01:58 PM
Don’t hold this against me folks. Be easy.I don’t see how putting drivers onto the road, high on pot, is going to be a good thing? We already deal with wayyy too many drivers drunk on the road. Killing innocents all the time. So, how does driving high make the roads safer?I see the benefits in pain relief for people and medicinal purposes, but I see this as like legalizing Xanax OTC for all. I see this “recreational use” as like “recreational benzos.” I guess I’m not “woke” enough to want to see drivers on the road high. Too many die. So others can enjoy themselves? Some views on this may seem old-fashioned. But not every old-fashioned view is wrong.That’s how I feel about it anyway.

OKC Guy
11-20-2019, 02:14 PM
Don’t hold this against me folks. Be easy.I don’t see how putting drivers onto the road, high on pot, is going to be a good thing? We already deal with wayyy too many drivers drunk on the road. Killing innocents all the time. So, how does driving high make the roads safer?I see the benefits in pain relief for people and medicinal purposes, but I see this as like legalizing Xanax OTC for all. I see this “recreational use” as like “recreational benzos.” I guess I’m not “woke” enough to want to see drivers on the road high. Too many die. So others can enjoy themselves? Some views on this may seem old-fashioned. But not every old-fashioned view is wrong.That’s how I feel about it anyway.

News alert: If they would drive when its legal they would drive when its illegal. In other words I don’’t think you would see this big increase.

And in 10 or 20 years vehicles will be autonomous and able to drive driver home.

Thomas Vu
11-20-2019, 02:14 PM
Don’t hold this against me folks. Be easy.I don’t see how putting drivers onto the road, high on pot, is going to be a good thing? We already deal with wayyy too many drivers drunk on the road. Killing innocents all the time. So, how does driving high make the roads safer?I see the benefits in pain relief for people and medicinal purposes, but I see this as like legalizing Xanax OTC for all. I see this “recreational use” as like “recreational benzos.” I guess I’m not “woke” enough to want to see drivers on the road high. Too many die. So others can enjoy themselves? Some views on this may seem old-fashioned. But not every old-fashioned view is wrong.That’s how I feel about it anyway.Based on reading this I have two questions1. Who said that weed + driving was a good combination to start with?2. Why aren't you calling for a ban on alcohol, or any of the other examples listed?

OkiePoke
11-20-2019, 02:15 PM
^^

Who said anyone was putting driver's on the road high? I couldn't open the previous article due to firewall.

Mr. Blue Sky
11-20-2019, 02:21 PM
I understand the comebacks, I do. But A) If drunk drivers are on the road then why add to the problem? B) I DO see the point about driving high without it being legal recreationally or not. But, why make it easier? I think this may be a generational issue. Many people my age agree with me, though not all.Just my opinion to throw in the pot. Oh...errr...pardon the pun!

OkiePoke
11-20-2019, 02:47 PM
I understand the comebacks, I do. But A) If drunk drivers are on the road then why add to the problem? B) I DO see the point about driving high without it being legal recreationally or not. But, why make it easier? I think this may be a generational issue. Many people my age agree with me, though not all.Just my opinion to throw in the pot. Oh...errr...pardon the pun!

I believe the risk of increase of increased impaired driving is low. It is like any freedom. Some freedoms require you to give up some security and vice versa (e.g. TSA).

Thomas Vu
11-20-2019, 03:46 PM
I understand the comebacks, I do. But A) If drunk drivers are on the road then why add to the problem? B) I DO see the point about driving high without it being legal recreationally or not. But, why make it easier? I think this may be a generational issue. Many people my age agree with me, though not all.Just my opinion to throw in the pot. Oh...errr...pardon the pun!That's fine. In the grand scheme I find it myopic to stick with the status quo because a hypothetical.

bchris02
11-20-2019, 03:56 PM
I haven’t checked how real this is but it would be nice to finally see it:

https://thefreshtoast.com/news/congress-could-decriminalize-marijuana-this-week/?fbclid=IwAR3HLHejy9yQv3yN4gXwYQyjkOphzrnWJmW1G9wy 4UmXwDSRPR_EB8PFLek

I doubt this will ever be given the opportunity to be heard let alone pass the Republican senate. Unfortunately I think federal legalization is going to have to wait for Democrats to control both houses of Congress and the White House. The big special interests fighting legalization (the religious right, big pharma, private prisons) are all aligned with the GOP.

Mr. Blue Sky
11-20-2019, 03:58 PM
That's fine. In the grand scheme I find it myopic to stick with the status quo because a hypothetical.Myopic? That’s quite insulting my friend. It’s my opinion. How dare I have one different than yours. Hypothetical? No, entirely predictable cause and effect. Example of everything being “right” or “wrong.” I don’t understand why we can’t “agree” and “disagree.” That “myopic” comment was uncalled for. Merriam-Webster: “lacking in foresight or discernment : narrow in perspective and without concern for broader implications”Hmm. There has to be civility or we are a third world banana republic with no common values, anything goes. Sometimes I fail to recognize my country. It’s changed SO much and SO fast.

Mr. Blue Sky
11-20-2019, 04:02 PM
I doubt this will ever be given the opportunity to be heard let alone pass the Republican senate. Unfortunately I think federal legalization is going to have to wait for Democrats to control both houses of Congress and the White House. The big special interests fighting legalization (the religious right, big pharma, private prisons) are all aligned with the GOP.Hi Chris, Hope you are liking your new start! I just wanted to be clear that my opinion on this has nothing to do with any of those three things — just road safety; and the more permissive we become on these things, before long, we’ll be asking for recreational Xanax, Adderall. Where are you now? How does it compare to OKC for your interests? Good luck!

Plutonic Panda
11-20-2019, 04:05 PM
Hi Chris, Hope you are liking your new start! I just wanted to be clear that my opinion on this has nothing to do with any of those three things — just road safety; and the more permissive we become on these things, before long, we’ll be asking for recreational Xanax, Adderall. Where are you now? How does it compare to OKC for your interests? Good luck!
I support legalization of nearly all drugs. What people put into their body is their business.

TheTravellers
11-20-2019, 04:51 PM
Don’t hold this against me folks. Be easy.I don’t see how putting drivers onto the road, high on pot, is going to be a good thing? We already deal with wayyy too many drivers drunk on the road. Killing innocents all the time. So, how does driving high make the roads safer?I see the benefits in pain relief for people and medicinal purposes, but I see this as like legalizing Xanax OTC for all. I see this “recreational use” as like “recreational benzos.” I guess I’m not “woke” enough to want to see drivers on the road high. Too many die. So others can enjoy themselves? Some views on this may seem old-fashioned. But not every old-fashioned view is wrong.That’s how I feel about it anyway.

You might check the stats for the states that have legalized MJ recreationally and see if there has been any increase in accidents/deaths/bad things. I haven't done that myself, but I don't believe the sky is falling in those states with high drivers recklessly driving around "[k]illing innocents all the time".

OkieNate
11-20-2019, 05:22 PM
Myopic? That’s quite insulting my friend. It’s my opinion. How dare I have one different than yours. Hypothetical? No, entirely predictable cause and effect. Example of everything being “right” or “wrong.” I don’t understand why we can’t “agree” and “disagree.” That “myopic” comment was uncalled for. Merriam-Webster: “lacking in foresight or discernment : narrow in perspective and without concern for broader implications”Hmm. There has to be civility or we are a third world banana republic with no common values, anything goes. Sometimes I fail to recognize my country. It’s changed SO much and SO fast.

It can be your opinion and also be myopic and hypothetical, which all appear to be true and based on your opinion on marijuana. You not recognizing this country seems like a major positive. Currently the common values of the American public is, lets give recreational marijuana a shot and release millions of people from prison for a plant, and boast our economy with jobs and a larger work force. And just a thought maybe YOU think its changed so much and so fast because you refuse to get with the times and think openly and progressively. And that is just my opinion.

Mr. Blue Sky
11-20-2019, 08:58 PM
It can be your opinion and also be myopic and hypothetical, which all appear to be true and based on your opinion on marijuana. You not recognizing this country seems like a major positive. Currently the common values of the American public is, lets give recreational marijuana a shot and release millions of people from prison for a plant, and boast our economy with jobs and a larger work force. And just a thought maybe YOU think its changed so much and so fast because you refuse to get with the times and think openly and progressively. And that is just my opinion. I've been a Bernie supporter -- because of the economics. I've been a democratic socialist since 1976. That I might have different opinions on SOME cultural issues doesn't always mean I am not progressive or "refuse to get with the times." That shows a mindset that IS completely different from my generation. Many of us don't believe that "If you don't agree with ME - you are just wrong." We can disagree without you basically, saying, "OK Boomer." Why is it SO hard for your generation (I'm guessing much younger than me) to allow for opinions different from your own? It's a pack mentality that says *everything* is US versus THEM. BTW, to say," Currently the common values of the American public IS..." reeks of this very description above. The public square is not just your corner of it my friend.

Bunty
11-21-2019, 11:52 AM
Don’t hold this against me folks. Be easy.I don’t see how putting drivers onto the road, high on pot, is going to be a good thing? We already deal with wayyy too many drivers drunk on the road. Killing innocents all the time. So, how does driving high make the roads safer?I see the benefits in pain relief for people and medicinal purposes, but I see this as like legalizing Xanax OTC for all. I see this “recreational use” as like “recreational benzos.” I guess I’m not “woke” enough to want to see drivers on the road high. Too many die. So others can enjoy themselves? Some views on this may seem old-fashioned. But not every old-fashioned view is wrong.That’s how I feel about it anyway.

Your point made wasn't supported. To support your point, I wonder if the cops in towns that have had dozens of med pot dispensaries open up have seen an unusual increase in car accidents? Hopefully, people can sense when they're too high to safely drive and won't.

I think the booming medical marijuana industry is going to help local economies far more than cause any harm. New jobs are being created. Old vacant store fronts are being reopened. Experienced people in the industry from legal states are moving in to help out. It's been quite an amazing story that led up to this point.

OkieNate
11-21-2019, 01:29 PM
I've been a Bernie supporter -- because of the economics. I've been a democratic socialist since 1976. That I might have different opinions on SOME cultural issues doesn't always mean I am not progressive or "refuse to get with the times." That shows a mindset that IS completely different from my generation. Many of us don't believe that "If you don't agree with ME - you are just wrong." We can disagree without you basically, saying, "OK Boomer." Why is it SO hard for your generation (I'm guessing much younger than me) to allow for opinions different from your own? It's a pack mentality that says *everything* is US versus THEM. BTW, to say," Currently the common values of the American public IS..." reeks of this very description above. The public square is not just your corner of it my friend.

I know ruby red republicans, dear friends of mine, who fully support medical and rec marijuana so I don't see your point. Actually I don't see what positive about being the same since 1976. And if you hear "OK Boomer" from what I said, fine, you're free to interpret it that way, but its very "victim" of you. You shared an opinion I dont agree with I shared one you don't agree with.

Mr. Blue Sky
11-21-2019, 01:50 PM
I know ruby red republicans, dear friends of mine, who fully support medical and rec marijuana so I don't see your point. Actually I don't see what positive about being the same since 1976. And if you hear "OK Boomer" from what I said, fine, you're free to interpret it that way, but its very "victim" of you. You shared an opinion I dont agree with I shared one you don't agree with.Yeah, disagree with me while at the same time insulting me with your lack of respect. And I returned in kind to show that this ‘Only me and my generation are what makes up common values,” is crap.I don’t see any positives about writing off my experiences and claiming only yours are valid because I’ve lived longer than you and how dare I have a consistent value since 1976. I hope that SETTLES it. I disagree. You disagree. I’m through with you. You show zero respect for other viewpoints claiming you and others of LIKE MIND are what makes up this country’s common values. Such arrogance, I’m not surprised you didn’t “get my point.” Step away from your video games. Finished.

OKCRT
11-21-2019, 02:21 PM
Well either legalize it or keep throwing people in the slammer and destroy their lives and their family's lives. I think the common majority of people (of all ages) would rather see it legal. There will always be some people that over do it just like boozing it up and driving but what you gonna do?

MJ should have never been illegal in the first place. Assuming this gets passed is like righting a wrong.

jerrywall
11-21-2019, 02:43 PM
I see the benefits in pain relief for people and medicinal purposes, but I see this as like legalizing Xanax OTC for all. I see this “recreational use” as like “recreational benzos.”

The fact that you compare this to Xanax is the most concerning to me. The equivalent MIGHT be NyQuil (although again, Cannabis will be less lethal). The only close comparison we have to Xanax is Liquor... the other substance that can kill you if you try to stop consuming it.

An no, legalizing cannabis doesn't mean legalizing people driving high any more than the availability of over the counter cold and allergy meds has led to a major increase of medicated drivers getting in accidents. it will remain illegal - just like it's illegal to drive under the influence of any medication if it affects your ability to drive. And to be honest, I'd rather share the road with someone high on cannabis than medicated with a strong cold medication.

TheTravellers
11-21-2019, 05:44 PM
... And to be honest, I'd rather share the road with someone high on cannabis than medicated with a strong cold medication.

Or with someone drunk.

Plutonic Panda
12-17-2019, 12:51 AM
I sure hope this initiative succeeds:

https://kfor.com/2019/12/16/organizers-file-petition-for-state-question-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-in-oklahoma/

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/petition-filed-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-in-oklahoma/article_57c150f5-2c2a-5742-a292-484f3d970032.html

bchris02
12-17-2019, 01:30 AM
An no, legalizing cannabis doesn't mean legalizing people driving high any more than the availability of over the counter cold and allergy meds has led to a major increase of medicated drivers getting in accidents. it will remain illegal - just like it's illegal to drive under the influence of any medication if it affects your ability to drive. And to be honest, I'd rather share the road with someone high on cannabis than medicated with a strong cold medication.

The biggest reason there's so much resistance to marijuana legalization is the stigma. If it wasn't for the image associated with marijuana; that of a deadbeat stoner who can't hold a job and leeches off society, it would already be legal. Another factor is that it's still widely associated with the counterculture of the 1960s, often blamed for the moral decline of American society. If people just look past the stigma and look at the facts, they will see that there's no reason this plant should be illegal. You don't have to like cannabis or stoner culture to support legalizing it.

Bunty
12-17-2019, 01:50 AM
I sure hope this initiative succeeds:

https://kfor.com/2019/12/16/organizers-file-petition-for-state-question-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-in-oklahoma/

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/petition-filed-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-in-oklahoma/article_57c150f5-2c2a-5742-a292-484f3d970032.html

Yeah, but I don't care much about the high excise tax and allowing municipalities the option to vote out. Those two things won't act to discourage the black market. Too much in the petition copies off what other legal states do.

I'm not sure there is much rural county vote to be had, if they can opt out from having rec dispensaries. Many conservative rural people would probably vote no, anyway, since the petition refers to municipality, not county.

It will be interesting to see if the petition has good funding. Because running a marijuana petition for a constitutional amendment with no funding to pay signature takers always fails.

soonerguru
12-17-2019, 10:57 PM
I read the petition and will not sign it, and if it goes on the ballot, will vote against it. It seems like a logistical nightmare for dispensaries and would seemingly ban public smoking.

The law we have now is great, and more than good enough until a well-written recreational petition is crafted. There are many red flags with the current petition.

bchris02
12-18-2019, 12:23 AM
I read the petition and will not sign it, and if it goes on the ballot, will vote against it. It seems like a logistical nightmare for dispensaries and would seemingly ban public smoking.

The law we have now is great, and more than good enough until a well-written recreational petition is crafted. There are many red flags with the current petition.

I agree with you that the current system in Oklahoma is great, but what it is about the recreational petition that's a logistical nightmare? What are the red flags?

BBatesokc
12-18-2019, 08:03 AM
The biggest reason there's so much resistance to marijuana legalization is the stigma. If it wasn't for the image associated with marijuana; that of a deadbeat stoner who can't hold a job and leeches off society, it would already be legal. Another factor is that it's still widely associated with the counterculture of the 1960s, often blamed for the moral decline of American society. If people just look past the stigma and look at the facts, they will see that there's no reason this plant should be illegal. You don't have to like cannabis or stoner culture to support legalizing it.

I support legalizing it and have used it medicinally in then past. That said, I'm not a fan of it's regular use - similar to my opinions of alcohol. For one, when it's smoked, the person smells horrible and often smells up an entire room. I hate when pot smokers come to our office. You smell them in the room long after they are gone - similar to someone who sits in a confined space smoking cigarettes all day. I don't think "hippie" I just think that person has no common sense or hygiene. I wouldn't take anyone serious in a professional way that smelled that way. But that's just me.

Even when it's not smoked, I can tell when someone I know is using regularly. It does effect them.

But, the same can be said for alcohol, etc. So, I support its legalization. I just wish people applied common sense to its use.

mkjeeves
12-18-2019, 11:37 AM
IÂ’m not in the industry or have a medical card but do follow some of the industry Facebook groups. Lots of pushback coming from them for many reasons, many of which seem valid. I have not read the bill. Number one, itÂ’s a constitutional ballot initiative. Any problems down the road can only be addressed by other constitutional ballot initiatives requiring a vote of the people. Favors big business. Requires middleman wholesalers between growers and retailers with limits on how many of those will be licensed. 15% state tax with cities allowed to tax whatever they want. And more.

David
12-18-2019, 01:17 PM
Things being hard-coded in the state constitution is part of the reason why we had to much trouble with alcohol laws over the years. Let's not repeat that mistake with recreational legalization.