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jccouger
05-08-2019, 02:01 PM
If we passed total legalization here in OK before its passed federally, we will reap a ton of tourism dollars from the state of Texas.

Ross MacLochness
05-08-2019, 02:07 PM
If we passed total legalization here in OK before its passed federally, we will reap a ton of tourism dollars from the state of Texas.

Think of a place like winstar... Imagine if there was some kind of flagship cannabis emporium near by... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

jerrywall
05-08-2019, 03:07 PM
Looking at the month to month sales, and the improvements I've already seen in just a matter of months, once the medical marijuana industry is a couple of years old it's going to be nuts. Colorado did like $1.5 billion in sales in 2018, with recreational. In April Oklahoma did $18 million, with just medical alone. In 2019 we went from $4 million, to $7 million, then $12m and $18m. So if April's numbers are maintained, we're already looking at a quarter of a Billion a year. But I actually think we'll be trending closer to half a Billion if not somewhere between $500M to $1B by the end of 2019. Applications for cards seem to be holding strong, and actually increasing. From what I know the same is true for dispensaries and growers, and many of them still seem to be struggling to keep up with current demand. I wouldn't be shocked if we matched Colorado in 2020 with just medical alone.

I can't wait till the industry matures a bit more here, the supply issues stabilize, and the dispensaries get rid of the cheap living room furniture in their waiting areas (they look like the entrances to sketchy massage parlors).

jerrywall
05-08-2019, 03:10 PM
Think of a place like winstar... Imagine if there was some kind of flagship cannabis emporium near by... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Quick highway access, isolated, all cash business....

Hope they have good security! Maybe they can partner with the casino for that. :D

Jersey Boss
05-08-2019, 03:24 PM
If we passed total legalization here in OK before its passed federally, we will reap a ton of tourism dollars from the state of Texas.

Just because the Feds legalize does not mean the state of Texas will. States Rights and all that. Fireworks are legal in some states and not others as an example. Feds ended prohibition of alcohol decades before Oklahoma did.

Ross MacLochness
05-08-2019, 03:26 PM
^^^good point. Might not have to be all cash for long. Wasn't there some banking law that would allow for MJ cash to be deposited that was passed or proposed recently?

bchris02
05-08-2019, 03:34 PM
Just because the Feds legalize does not mean the state of Texas will. States Rights and all that. Fireworks are legal in some states and not others as an example. Feds ended prohibition of alcohol decades before Oklahoma did.

I think it's very possible some states will never legalize or won't for many years if not decades. I do think nationwide decriminalization is coming within the next 5-10 years.

Right now, the biggest barrier to just getting this done and over with is the fact that the GOP is the dominant party right now in the federal government. I think when we get a Dem President, either in 2021 or 2025, federal legalization won't be far behind.

OKC Guy
05-08-2019, 04:14 PM
I think it's very possible some states will never legalize or won't for many years if not decades. I do think nationwide decriminalization is coming within the next 5-10 years.

Right now, the biggest barrier to just getting this done and over with is the fact that the GOP is the dominant party right now in the federal government. I think when we get a Dem President, either in 2021 or 2025, federal legalization won't be far behind.

There was a Dem POTUS for 8 years prior to Trump and it wasn’t fixed.

I also think all states will pass it once Feds do

jedicurt
05-08-2019, 04:21 PM
There was a Dem POTUS for 8 years prior to Trump and it wasn’t fixed.

I also think all states will pass it once Feds do

yes... but he did ease the federal restrictions and all but decriminalized it

OKC Guy
05-08-2019, 04:22 PM
Looking at the month to month sales, and the improvements I've already seen in just a matter of months, once the medical marijuana industry is a couple of years old it's going to be nuts. Colorado did like $1.5 billion in sales in 2018, with recreational. In April Oklahoma did $18 million, with just medical alone. In 2019 we went from $4 million, to $7 million, then $12m and $18m. So if April's numbers are maintained, we're already looking at a quarter of a Billion a year. But I actually think we'll be trending closer to half a Billion if not somewhere between $500M to $1B by the end of 2019. Applications for cards seem to be holding strong, and actually increasing. From what I know the same is true for dispensaries and growers, and many of them still seem to be struggling to keep up with current demand. I wouldn't be shocked if we matched Colorado in 2020 with just medical alone.

I can't wait till the industry matures a bit more here, the supply issues stabilize, and the dispensaries get rid of the cheap living room furniture in their waiting areas (they look like the entrances to sketchy massage parlors).

One comment, if we legalize then Colorado sales would decrease. Based on our closer proximity to TX we would reap a bonanza too. Could build a MJ hotel across border so Texans could come up on weekends and have a place to use it and not have to carry back and risk getting stopped. Would likely see regulars. Would have a cottage industry, at least until TX legalized. We would have both the biggest Casino and biggest Pot hotel/dispensary district in world most likely

OKC Guy
05-08-2019, 04:23 PM
yes... but he did ease the federal restrictions and all but decriminalized it

And current admin has not enforced it either so both are on same level regarding topic.

jedicurt
05-08-2019, 04:27 PM
And current admin has not enforced it either so both are on same level regarding topic.

well Jeff Sessions did rescind most of the Obama era DOJ policies on Cannabis. and after Sessions has left, Barr has not yet brought those back.

So while Trump has said he would support and sign a bill legalizing it... one could say that his administration did roll back some of the previous administrations lax policies

bchris02
05-08-2019, 04:29 PM
One comment, if we legalize then Colorado sales would decrease. Based on our closer proximity to TX we would reap a bonanza too. Could build a MJ hotel across border so Texans could come up on weekends and have a place to use it and not have to carry back and risk getting stopped. Would likely see regulars. Would have a cottage industry, at least until TX legalized. We would have both the biggest Casino and biggest Pot hotel/dispensary district in world most likely

I always figured Okies would be driving to Gainesville for legal weed. It's still amazing to me that Texans driving to Thackerville is more likely.

OKC Guy
05-08-2019, 04:38 PM
I always figured Okies would be driving to Gainesville for legal weed. It's still amazing to me that Texans driving to Thackerville is more likely.

I hope we can get this to a vote it will pass. I’m as red as they come yet am 100% for legalizing. In addition to tax revenue it would reduce prison and all the associated costs that go with getting busted. And tax money would help us massively improve infrastructure. Even if we beat TX by 5 years, that amount of money would be ours never to be gotten back by Texas. It would be a one time money boost for our state, that could last from 2 to 10 or more years. I also think ot would reduce some crime although that could be debated I’m sure. Part of money could go to drug addiction programs too.

Ross MacLochness
05-08-2019, 04:42 PM
This thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Smx0zv5L7E

Bunty
05-09-2019, 12:32 AM
They might as well do it and start cashing in. The cats out of the bag now and it's just a matter of time before it's legal IMO.

I don't expect the Oklahoma Legislature to do it. I bet Republicans expect the people to do a successful petition and then hold a successful election for it, if they want legal rec marijuana that bad. I don't see that happening until 2023 when, hopefully, the signature count required for a successful petition for a statute change will return to a lower level. Presumably an election to legalize rec marijuana would not be held until 2024. I doubt Republicans learned a lesson from the looseness of SQ788. Rec marijuana remains an issue still too hot for them to touch, or as little as possible.

FighttheGoodFight
05-09-2019, 08:56 AM
Looking at the month to month sales, and the improvements I've already seen in just a matter of months, once the medical marijuana industry is a couple of years old it's going to be nuts. Colorado did like $1.5 billion in sales in 2018, with recreational. In April Oklahoma did $18 million, with just medical alone. In 2019 we went from $4 million, to $7 million, then $12m and $18m. So if April's numbers are maintained, we're already looking at a quarter of a Billion a year. But I actually think we'll be trending closer to half a Billion if not somewhere between $500M to $1B by the end of 2019. Applications for cards seem to be holding strong, and actually increasing. From what I know the same is true for dispensaries and growers, and many of them still seem to be struggling to keep up with current demand. I wouldn't be shocked if we matched Colorado in 2020 with just medical alone.

I can't wait till the industry matures a bit more here, the supply issues stabilize, and the dispensaries get rid of the cheap living room furniture in their waiting areas (they look like the entrances to sketchy massage parlors).

Those numbers are amazing. I am not a card holder but one of the dispensaries in Norman has a drive thru now. Looks like it stays pretty busy.

jedicurt
05-09-2019, 09:09 AM
Those numbers are amazing. I am not a card holder but one of the dispensaries in Norman has a drive thru now. Looks like it stays pretty busy.

yep. i actually know the owner of the one in Norman with a drive thru... he was talking about how people drive all the way from Edmond, just so they don't have to get out of their vehicle. lol

bchris02
05-09-2019, 09:49 AM
I don't expect the Oklahoma Legislature to do it. I bet Republicans expect the people to do a successful petition and then hold a successful election for it, if they want legal rec marijuana that bad. I don't see that happening until 2023 when, hopefully, the signature count required for a successful petition for a statute change will return to a lower level. Presumably an election to legalize rec marijuana would not be held until 2024. I doubt Republicans learned a lesson from the looseness of SQ788. Rec marijuana remains an issue still too hot for them to touch, or as little as possible.

I agree with this. When it comes to the religious right types, who have a lot of pull in the OK legislature (and TX as well), recreational marijuana is something they still won't touch with a 10 foot pole. I think once the feds legalize, most blue and purple states will and the red states will follow suit.

jerrywall
05-09-2019, 09:50 AM
yep. i actually know the owner of the one in Norman with a drive thru... he was talking about how people drive all the way from Edmond, just so they don't have to get out of their vehicle. lol

I wasn't sure if drive thrus were legal. Just this weekend I was driving by an old building with a drive thru in Edmond thinking it would be smart to put a dispensary there. Seems like the market would support it.

Filthy
05-09-2019, 02:57 PM
So, do most of the cannibas doctors that are signing recommendations, also office inside the dispensery? Or do most have thier own stand alone clinics? I was hoping to talk to/and or have a consult, and has finding it somewhat difficult to locate a good Dr. in my area.

JLCinOKC
05-17-2019, 10:39 AM
The advertising aspect is what really astounds me. It boggles my mind when I hear radio ads for dispensaries or cannabis growing equipment, etc. The Gazette is chock full of ads! Pete, are you planning on doing the Extract insert monthly? It's very informative. And probably fairly lucrative. Have you had any pushback from advertisers or distribution points? 7-11 would never allow the Gazette because of the strip club ads. *eye roll*

Pete, have to tell you how grateful I am that you have injected a breath of fresh into the Gazette. I worked there from 1994-2000, and it has always held a special place in my heart. Such a fun place to work in the 90s! It's nice to see fresh blood. It was withering under Sneakley's watch. Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing what the future holds! :)

JLCinOKC
05-17-2019, 10:40 AM
So, do most of the cannibas doctors that are signing recommendations, also office inside the dispensery? Or do most have thier own stand alone clinics? I was hoping to talk to/and or have a consult, and has finding it somewhat difficult to locate a good Dr. in my area.

Check out Weedmaps.com or leafly.com. They have a section for cannabis doctors.

TheTravellers
05-17-2019, 06:54 PM
Didn't really find this info anywhere, so thought I'd ask here. My application was approved, but my wife hasn't started hers yet. When I get my license, can she go into a dispensary with me if she doesn't have a license yet? Thanks...

BBatesokc
05-17-2019, 07:05 PM
Didn't really find this info anywhere, so thought I'd ask here. My application was approved, but my wife hasn't started hers yet. When I get my license, can she go into a dispensary with me if she doesn't have a license yet? Thanks...

I have a friend with a card and she asked about her husband coming in (he was in the car) and she was told "no. not without a card." Don't know if that is the law or just a policy though. I'm guessing it's the law.

GoGators
05-18-2019, 08:07 AM
Didn't really find this info anywhere, so thought I'd ask here. My application was approved, but my wife hasn't started hers yet. When I get my license, can she go into a dispensary with me if she doesn't have a license yet? Thanks...

I believe she can go in no problem. I wanted to check one out and don’t have a license. I went in one with my girlfriend who has a card and it was no problem.

You don’t have to have a card to work at one so I can’t see how there would be a law about entering without one.

I could see how some of the more busy stores may have that policy as it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to cram your store with people who can’t legally buy anything. But I think for the most part it’s not a big deal.

TheTravellers
05-18-2019, 01:40 PM
Thanks for the replies, guess we'll just have to give it a shot and see...

Pete
05-18-2019, 01:57 PM
The advertising aspect is what really astounds me. It boggles my mind when I hear radio ads for dispensaries or cannabis growing equipment, etc. The Gazette is chock full of ads! Pete, are you planning on doing the Extract insert monthly? It's very informative. And probably fairly lucrative. Have you had any pushback from advertisers or distribution points?

Extract is a monthly insert in the Gazette and is also distributed separately. We hope to soon expand throughout the state and beyond. I'm very proud of that publication. It's education-based, with lots of solid info for people seeking various treatments. Plenty of weedy lifestyle publications out there, but Extract is somewhat unique and reaches a wide audience.

And no, we have not received any pushback from advertisers since we started accepting cannabis advertising in the Gazette and in Extract. We've had a few readers express concern, but that number is very low considering we reach about 100K people every week.

It seems everyone understands the culture has shifted regarding cannabis, as have the laws. And all that seems to be accelerating.

jccouger
05-28-2019, 09:35 AM
I found a great place for Doctor referrals.

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The best part is, all appointments are done through video with Dr. Hightower. You either call in through your phone or use a webcam on a desktop/laptop.

There are also many, many time slots available at all times. My personal appt was at 9:10 PM and I see some available even later than that.

The entire process was smooth and easy to understand. I expect most of us to have basic computer skills, seeing as how this is the internet.

Pete
05-28-2019, 09:48 AM
Here is an article from the Gazette about telemedicine in the cannabis space:

https://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/cannabis-calling/Content?oid=6133005


Also, this is a link to the entire The High Culture (THC) section of the Gazette with all the stories listed from every issue:

https://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/the-high-culture/Category?oid=4942451

OkieNate
06-07-2019, 12:08 PM
Pete thank you for what you do and have done for the Gazette! I have told all my friends with newly acquired cards to make sure to grab a Gazette, because Extract is fantastic! Reminds me of 5820 they publish in Denver! Thanks again for helping make the marijuana culture in Oklahoma City, something that is accept and not stigmatized!

Pete
06-07-2019, 12:38 PM
Pete thank you for what you do and have done for the Gazette! I have told all my friends with newly acquired cards to make sure to grab a Gazette, because Extract is fantastic! Reminds me of 5820 they publish in Denver! Thanks again for helping make the marijuana culture in Oklahoma City, something that is accept and not stigmatized!

That's very kind.

We're very proud of Extract. The goal is to reach and educate a market that has not traditionally used cannabis; someone like me, actually.

But there is much to know so that magazine is focused on educational and legal issues, rather than just lifestyle stuff. We also include quality content on cannabis in every week's Gazette. We are covering this subject in far more depth than anyone in the state.

Interestingly, we've had almost zero pushback from advertisers and readers. Cannabis is part of our culture now and for a change Oklahoma is out in front of something, and that makes it even more interesting.

Pete
06-07-2019, 12:50 PM
For those who don't know, Extract is a magazine inserted into the 3rd Gazette issue of every month.

You can see all the content and view PDF's of Extract here:

ReadExtract.com (http://readextract.com/)

Pete
06-07-2019, 12:51 PM
And here is a direct link to The High Culture (THC) section of the Gazette:

THC (https://www.okgazette.com/oklahoma/the-high-culture/Category?oid=4942451)

SSEiYah
06-11-2019, 09:11 PM
That's very kind.

We're very proud of Extract. The goal is to reach and educate a market that has not traditionally used cannabis; someone like me, actually.

But there is much to know so that magazine is focused on educational and legal issues, rather than just lifestyle stuff. We also include quality content on cannabis in every week's Gazette. We are covering this subject in far more depth than anyone in the state.

Interestingly, we've had almost zero pushback from advertisers and readers. Cannabis is part of our culture now and for a change Oklahoma is out in front of something, and that makes it even more interesting.
Great job so far.

Seems the big problem right now is the lack of testing and labeling at least in the edible/tincture/concentrate products in terms of CBD or THC content. Products are being marketed as "X milligrams" but actually contain either less or more than what they claim. It seems like the recent legislation is working to fix this but this might be something to focus on.

bchris02
06-12-2019, 05:53 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/us/nevada-marijuana-job-screening-trnd/index.html?ofs=fbia

This is something that really needs to be part of the national conversation. Much of the corporate world is still acting as if Nancy Reagan is First Lady, clinging to Reefer Madness propaganda and refusing to hire people who use cannabis even while not at work. It's absolutely absurd that its this way, especially since THC can stay in your system up to 90 days after last use if you are a heavy user.

I'm moving out of state in a few months and despite having my OK card, I'm having to give it up for this reason.

BoulderSooner
06-13-2019, 05:22 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/us/nevada-marijuana-job-screening-trnd/index.html?ofs=fbia

This is something that really needs to be part of the national conversation. Much of the corporate world is still acting as if Nancy Reagan is First Lady, clinging to Reefer Madness propaganda and refusing to hire people who use cannabis even while not at work. It's absolutely absurd that its this way, especially since THC can stay in your system up to 90 days after last use if you are a heavy user.

I'm moving out of state in a few months and despite having my OK card, I'm having to give it up for this reason.

this law is likely to be challenged and seems unlilkey to stand up in federal court

bchris02
06-13-2019, 08:08 AM
this law is likely to be challenged and seems unlilkey to stand up in federal court

There needs to be a better way of testing to determine if somebody is actually high on the job. It's absolutely absurd that a person can be fired or be denied employment for using a legal substance weeks or even months before, all because so many can't move past the hippie-era stigma associated with cannabis. If you're in Nevada, weed is as legal as alcohol.

As soon as Trump is gone, it will be legalized federally so that argument will be out the window.

jerrywall
06-13-2019, 08:25 AM
As soon as Trump is gone, it will be legalized federally so that argument will be out the window.

A big assumption there, and not one I think is correct.

BoulderSooner
06-13-2019, 08:51 AM
There needs to be a better way of testing to determine if somebody is actually high on the job. It's absolutely absurd that a person can be fired or be denied employment for using a legal substance weeks or even months before, all because so many can't move past the hippie-era stigma associated with cannabis. If you're in Nevada, weed is as legal as alcohol.

As soon as Trump is gone, it will be legalized federally so that argument will be out the window.

the problem is that it is not acutaly legal anywhere ..


and i don't think it has anything to do with trump .. the dems in the house have not passed a change that would take it off the federal schedule ... (which i think is a no brainer by the way)

but the issue with work is very much one that you mentioned they need to figure out if you are actually high at work .. unitl they can i don't know how a job that deals with saftey can hire you


also any DOD emplyoee or contracter with a clearance absolulty wont be hired if they use .. they would lose their clearance ..

jerrywall
06-13-2019, 09:29 AM
^^ In addition, we'll be violating an international treaty. Probably a minor deal, but there needs to be updates to the agreements, because this would effect other drugs like opium or such.

The major policy control that comes from the executive branch that is most easily able to affect Cannabis is the behavior of the AG in attempting to enforce federal cannabis laws in states where it is legalized. With Sessions out, Barr has committed to maintaining Obama era policies on enforcement (which is basically none).

Pete
06-13-2019, 09:49 AM
The polling on the legalization of cannabis has been trending positive for a while and has now made a big shift to the point that any related ballot measure passes easily, just about everywhere.

So, politicians will latch onto these issues because they are popular with most.

Most people in the industry expect big changes at the federal level in the next few years, regardless of who is in office.

jerrywall
06-13-2019, 09:55 AM
Agreed, legalization is coming, and IMO sooner rather than later. But it's more involved than the resident of the WH flipping a switch.

OkieNate
06-13-2019, 09:56 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/us/nevada-marijuana-job-screening-trnd/index.html?ofs=fbia

This is something that really needs to be part of the national conversation. Much of the corporate world is still acting as if Nancy Reagan is First Lady, clinging to Reefer Madness propaganda and refusing to hire people who use cannabis even while not at work. It's absolutely absurd that its this way, especially since THC can stay in your system up to 90 days after last use if you are a heavy user.

I'm moving out of state in a few months and despite having my OK card, I'm having to give it up for this reason.

Tootles! *waves goodbye*

BoulderSooner
06-13-2019, 10:18 AM
The polling on the legalization of cannabis has been trending positive for a while and has now made a big shift to the point that any related ballot measure passes easily, just about everywhere.

So, politicians will latch onto these issues because they are popular with most.

Most people in the industry expect big changes at the federal level in the next few years, regardless of who is in office.

i agree and it is really sad that it has not been taken off the federal schedule 1 list a long time ago just as a matter of common sense ..

bchris02
06-13-2019, 12:55 PM
The polling on the legalization of cannabis has been trending positive for a while and has now made a big shift to the point that any related ballot measure passes easily, just about everywhere.

So, politicians will latch onto these issues because they are popular with most.

Most people in the industry expect big changes at the federal level in the next few years, regardless of who is in office.

I think the main holdup right now is more the PEOPLE that are in power rather than the party, but it's definitely worth pointing out resistance to legalization is greater on the Republican side than the Democratic side. Republicans are between a rock and a hard place right now in that they still have to appease the religious right but also see the $$$ that will come from legalization. Still, I don't see Joe Biden as being much more cannabis friendly than Trump. Now Warren, Sanders, or Buttigeig would be a different ballgame.

I think the GOP establishment is making a big mistake ceding this issue to the Democrats. It's one of the few issues right now that could potentially bring both sides together.

BoulderSooner
06-14-2019, 05:54 AM
I think the main holdup right now is more the PEOPLE that are in power rather than the party, but it's definitely worth pointing out resistance to legalization is greater on the Republican side than the Democratic side. Republicans are between a rock and a hard place right now in that they still have to appease the religious right but also see the $$$ that will come from legalization. Still, I don't see Joe Biden as being much more cannabis friendly than Trump. Now Warren, Sanders, or Buttigeig would be a different ballgame.

I think the GOP establishment is making a big mistake ceding this issue to the Democrats. It's one of the few issues right now that could potentially bring both sides together.

the dems had full control and did nothing on this issue .. so i'm not sure how you can say or believe this

jerrywall
06-14-2019, 08:22 AM
the dems had full control and did nothing on this issue .. so i'm not sure how you can say or believe this

Trying to keep this non political, but quite a few major Dems have come out in support of legalization. I'm not sure I've seen many GOP "supporters". I think most are staying ambivalent about it. I agree it would be nice for the GOP to lead the way, and it could be argued to be a states rights issue, so should be an easy sell.

BoulderSooner
06-14-2019, 09:10 AM
Trying to keep this non political, but quite a few major Dems have come out in support of legalization. I'm not sure I've seen many GOP "supporters". I think most are staying ambivalent about it. I agree it would be nice for the GOP to lead the way, and it could be argued to be a states rights issue, so should be an easy sell.

i agree

Pete
06-14-2019, 09:18 AM
Cannabis is already pumping huge sums into the Oklahoma economy.

Not only lots of taxes but paying tons of rent all over the state and most the better dispensaries are now making good money which is generally being spent locally.


Far better than it not being taxed or properly regulated and taxpayers shouldering the cost to jail thousands on related crimes.

FighttheGoodFight
06-14-2019, 09:23 AM
I am assuming that the boom of medical might make recreational a real possibility? People seeing that all the doom and gloom campaign against medical ended up not coming true.

bchris02
06-14-2019, 12:44 PM
the dems had full control and did nothing on this issue .. so i'm not sure how you can say or believe this

Trump supporters always like to throw this argument out yet right now its REPUBLICANS primarily preventing this from happening federally and in most states that are still illegal. Obama and the Dems aren't in power anymore. Why are Republicans fighting so hard against legalization now? Oklahoma legalized MMJ despite FIERCE opposition from people like Lankford, Inhofe, Mary Fallin, and most of the state legislature.

Obama did the best he could for the time and this is instruct his DOJ to not enforce prohibition in states that have legalized it. Had Romney won the 2012 election, his DOJ would have cracked down hard on Colorado marijuana would still be illegal in all 50 states.


Trying to keep this non political, but quite a few major Dems have come out in support of legalization. I'm not sure I've seen many GOP "supporters". I think most are staying ambivalent about it. I agree it would be nice for the GOP to lead the way, and it could be argued to be a states rights issue, so should be an easy sell.

Unfortunately the GOP still has its hands tied by the religious right. A lot of traditional social conservatives believe in states rights for things they agree with but not things they see as a threat to the moral fabric of society. A few more election cycles and the religious right will no longer have the dominance within the GOP that it does now. Younger people are less religious and more libertarian and even those who are religious are less hung up on social issues. Public opinion is there, but right now, the "Moral Majority" still controls the party and the agenda.


I am assuming that the boom of medical might make recreational a real possibility? People seeing that all the doom and gloom campaign against medical ended up not coming true.

Oklahoma needs to lead the way and become the first Bible Belt state to legalize recreational marijuana. I think it's a real possibility. I think the marketing and exposure of cannabis here is going to change people's minds and make them realize it isn't the detriment to society they've been indoctrinated to believe it is. It's actually already happening. If Oklahoma goes rec, it could be a major turning point in favor of national legalization.

jn1780
06-14-2019, 02:21 PM
Trump supporters always like to throw this argument out yet right now its REPUBLICANS primarily preventing this from happening federally and in most states that are still illegal. Obama and the Dems aren't in power anymore. Why are Republicans fighting so hard against legalization now? Oklahoma legalized MMJ despite FIERCE opposition from people like Lankford, Inhofe, Mary Fallin, and most of the state legislature.



Your the one that making the argument that things will be different the next time go around with a different party in power. Bolder was just saying don't count your chickens before they hatch. Seems like both parties are in bed with power entities that don't want cannabis legalized with the conservative right not even being the most powerful. Even if it is legalized, your pocket book is going to emptied out by the medical industry if you wish to legally do use it.

Most people in this forum support legalization, so there is no point in making political attacks.

David
06-14-2019, 07:00 PM
The democrats had full control a full decade ago at this point, and the national conversation about marijuana was very different than it is today. We just saw two years of full republican control do basically nothing on the issue, but what democratic full control would do has not been recently tested.

jonny d
06-14-2019, 07:22 PM
Trump supporters always like to throw this argument out yet right now its REPUBLICANS primarily preventing this from happening federally and in most states that are still illegal. Obama and the Dems aren't in power anymore. Why are Republicans fighting so hard against legalization now? Oklahoma legalized MMJ despite FIERCE opposition from people like Lankford, Inhofe, Mary Fallin, and most of the state legislature.

Obama did the best he could for the time and this is instruct his DOJ to not enforce prohibition in states that have legalized it. Had Romney won the 2012 election, his DOJ would have cracked down hard on Colorado marijuana would still be illegal in all 50 states.



Unfortunately the GOP still has its hands tied by the religious right. A lot of traditional social conservatives believe in states rights for things they agree with but not things they see as a threat to the moral fabric of society. A few more election cycles and the religious right will no longer have the dominance within the GOP that it does now. Younger people are less religious and more libertarian and even those who are religious are less hung up on social issues. Public opinion is there, but right now, the "Moral Majority" still controls the party and the agenda.



Oklahoma needs to lead the way and become the first Bible Belt state to legalize recreational marijuana. I think it's a real possibility. I think the marketing and exposure of cannabis here is going to change people's minds and make them realize it isn't the detriment to society they've been indoctrinated to believe it is. It's actually already happening. If Oklahoma goes rec, it could be a major turning point in favor of national legalization.

f big bad Trump's DOJ has so much teeth, why has there not been more done against marijuana? I can't think of anything. And nothing is not the evil you are talking about.

Quicker
06-14-2019, 10:16 PM
There needs to be a better way of testing to determine if somebody is actually high on the job. It's absolutely absurd that a person can be fired or be denied employment for using a legal substance weeks or even months before, all because so many can't move past the hippie-era stigma associated with cannabis. If you're in Nevada, weed is as legal as alcohol.

As soon as Trump is gone, it will be legalized federally so that argument will be out the window.

Trumps not the problem but don’t let that stand in the way blaming him anyway...

‘’Barr’s early support for the legislation, which was introduced last week, marks a departure from the strict anti-marijuana stance of his predecessor, Jeff Sessions. Gardner, a Yuma Republican, has said President Donald Trump is willing to sign the bill if it reaches his desk. The senator said Wednesday that he spoke to Barr about the STATES Act before Barr took office earlier this year.

“I’m glad Attorney General Barr today reiterated his belief that the current situation is untenable and that the STATES Act is an approach he would be interested in pursuing, and I hope my colleagues will hear his loud and clear call for Congress to act,” Gardner said‘’

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/10/william-barr-cory-gardner-marijuana-legalization/

‘’A bipartisan group in Congress, including Colorado’s two senators, re-introduced legislation Thursday to prevent federal authorities from enforcing prohibitions on marijuana in states like Colorado where it has been legalized.

Sen. Cory Gardner, a Yuma Republican, joined with Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in announcing re-introduction of the bill, known as the STATES Act. Companion legislation in the House is being co-sponsored by Rep. Joe Neguse, a Lafayette Democrat, among others.‘’

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/04/04/cory-gardner-colorado-marijuana-federal-enforcement/

bchris02
06-20-2019, 11:35 AM
Speaking of recreational marijuana, imagine all of the money the state will make in a few years if OK goes rec and TX doesn't even have medical?

I used to always think Okies would be driving to Gainesville for legal weed. Now its looking a lot more likely that Texans will be driving to Thackerville.

Plutonic Panda
06-20-2019, 12:56 PM
Now it’s time for Oklahoma to decriminalize mushrooms. ;)

Soonerman
06-20-2019, 03:58 PM
Speaking of recreational marijuana, imagine all of the money the state will make in a few years if OK goes rec and TX doesn't even have medical?

I used to always think Okies would be driving to Gainesville for legal weed. Now its looking a lot more likely that Texans will be driving to Thackerville.

Texas State Troopers will be setting up shop at each crossing of the Red River when this happens.

jedicurt
06-20-2019, 04:02 PM
Texas State Troopers will be setting up shop at each crossing of the Red River when this happens.

you are right, they will... when they have much bigger problems facing them... much like Oklahoma did when we set up state troopers along the Colorado boarder while still being one of the largest meth producing states... lol...