I really wish people would quit blaming Christians for everything...Conservative does not equal Christian. Thinking so is pure, unadultered ignorance...

Yes very true.

Just another example of our corrupt, regressive, overly conservative, bible thumping, religion obesessed government at work..........

Which is more annoying; the person who keeps making the sames redundant posts, or the person who keeps making redundant posts trying to call out the redundant poster?

But to your point, the only reason the AG released that statement is because this absurd corruption between the Oklahoma health department & the pharmacy director came to light.

He knows the state of Oklahoma is about to get the **** sued out of them & that is his only concern.

The former. You can only blame earthquakes, the economy, tornadoes, the heat, dogs barking, people wearing mismatched clothes, bad traffic, and too many feral cats on the religious right so many times before it becomes a joke.

As for why the AG did what he did, I'm glad we have a mind reader on the board. It should make predictions easier. Any hints on tomorrows powerball?

The former. You can only blame earthquakes, the economy, tornadoes, the heat, dogs barking, people wearing mismatched clothes, bad traffic, and too many feral cats on the religious right so many times before it becomes a joke.

As for why the AG did what he did, I'm glad we have a mind reader on the board. It should make predictions easier. Any hints on tomorrows powerball?

Why do I have to be a mind reader when the AG said they should rescind their changes because it was basically illegal? Making illegal decisions gets you sued.

To bad your more concerned with trying to troll me with a lame joke then trying to make intelligent posts.

the only reason the AG released that statement is because this absurd corruption between the Oklahoma health department & the pharmacy director came to light.

This is different than saying that the AG said they should "rescind their changes because it was basically illegal". You're ascribing a motive. Maybe they just did their job. From the timing standpoint, it seems like the AG's recommendations came before the corruption came to light. But you assume to know their motivation. Hence, I'd like to make use of your psychic abilities.

This is different than saying that the AG said they should "rescind their changes because it was basically illegal". You're ascribing a motive. Maybe they just did their job. From the timing standpoint, it seems like the AG's recommendations came before the corruption came to light. But you assume to know their motivation. Hence, I'd like to make use of your psychic abilities.

I kind of ascribe to this motive. Hunter most likely did what he did because first, 57% of the people wanted it to. Secondly, they dont like it when the govt plays games and changes things they voted on, even if they voted no. And lastly, hes still in a primary battle for state AG. Im sure he did this to not hurt himself in this runoff. I mean the guy is Pruitt's understudy (and we all now how Pruitt feels about legal weed), plus he admitted he voted against it. This was a political move imo. If this was after Nov and he had won the nomination, my guess is you would see no help from him on making these rules go through quickly.

Thats just my thoughts on it.

I kind of ascribe to this motive. Hunter most likely did what he did because first, 57% of the people wanted it to. Secondly, they dont like it when the govt plays games and changes things they voted on, even if they voted no. And lastly, hes still in a primary battle for state AG. Im sure he did this to not hurt himself in this runoff. I mean the guy is Pruitt's understudy (and we all now how Pruitt feels about legal weed), plus he admitted he voted against it. This was a political move imo. If this was after Nov and he had won the nomination, my guess is you would see no help from him on making these rules go through quickly.

Thats just my thoughts on it.

I know him personally,

He told the board it was illegal because when he did his research into it, it was illegal.

Hunter checks his personal bias' at the door.

Once you get more than 2/3rd (33-35) of the states on board with some kind of marijuana legalization; you're less likely to see any backlash from the Federal government along the lines of strict enforcement. They are well cognizant of states being treated as individual provinces with the freedom to self-govern. Really think that Oklahoma is ready to turn a page; follow the lead of neighbors like Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico & Arkansas.

Our farmers are looking for new crops; especially something like a weed that would bring in more per pound/bushel than corn, peaches, soybeans or wheat.

Medical/Recreational marijuana will provide farmers another crop alternative; it will also present a whole new legal spectrum of challenges for lawmakers & law enforcement. Colorado has had recreational marijuana on their books since 2012; we don't need to re-invent the wheel when it comes to enforcement.

Texas will have border concerns with Texans driving to Thackerville, Marietta & Madill or crossing Lake Texoma/Red River on their return to the Lone Star state. You just might see more Texans migrate to Oklahoma as a result of MJ laws--the bible belt buckle shifts to North Texas.

Pete or anyone with Pete's approval,

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Time to get up in the game since this is a hot topic.

Which is more annoying; the person who keeps making the sames redundant posts, or the person who keeps making redundant posts trying to call out the redundant poster?

But to your point, the only reason the AG released that statement is because this absurd corruption between the Oklahoma health department & the pharmacy director came to light.

He knows the state of Oklahoma is about to get the **** sued out of them & that is his only concern.

Seeing as how I’ve called him out a handful of times over 8 years and the poster you’re referring to has made those posts a handful of times weekly and sometimes daily over the same time frame, I would definitely say the former out of sheer repetition alone regardless of the annoying content. Though I guess annoying is in the eye of the beholder.

And how do you know that was his motive? He could’ve taken the last to weeks to review the situation, similar cases around the country and anything else he felt necessary to make an informed decision and then made it.

Also this sort of I’ll nonsense going on behind the scenes is exactly to a T what conservatives hate.

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Seeing as how I’ve called him out a handful of times over 8 years and the poster you’re referring to has made those posts a handful of times weekly and sometimes daily over the same time frame, I would definitely say the former out of sheer repetition alone regardless of the annoying content. Though I guess annoying is in the eye of the beholder.

And how do you know that was his motive? He could’ve taken the last to weeks to review the situation, similar cases around the country and anything else he felt necessary to make an informed decision and then made it.

He has as much right to post what he post as you do posting what you post. If you don't like it scroll on by. I like his posts for the most part.It seems you have run him off as I haven't seen him post in this thread for a while. Not good man

Went and signed both petitions this morning at Captivape on Memorial in OKC. Both petitions were almost full as I was signing on the last page!

Just make sure you sign and write as legible and accurate as possible.

There was quite a crowd at Meridian & NW Expwy for the petitions this morning.

Now the question is whether SQ 797 makes it on the ballot this November. NewsOK doesn’t think so: https://newsok.com/article/5602309/recreational-pot-initiative-unlikely-to-make-november-ballot

I know him personally,

He told the board it was illegal because when he did his research into it, it was illegal.

Hunter checks his personal bias' at the door.

I too know Mr. Hunter. I am polar opposite of him politically. I will say he is a 100% stand up guy. I would put my trust in him.

Now the question is whether SQ 797 makes it on the ballot this November. NewsOK doesn’t think so: https://newsok.com/article/5602309/recreational-pot-initiative-unlikely-to-make-november-ballot

Here is by drumbeat again, residents of Oklahoma continue to VOTE into power people who shove a finger at the will of the people . I DO NOT believe it is so complex that a question like this cannot be drafted and placed on the ballot for NOVEMBER in AUGUST, but when people vote the party line this is what you get, DISREPECT.

Now the question is whether SQ 797 makes it on the ballot this November. NewsOK doesn’t think so: https://newsok.com/article/5602309/recreational-pot-initiative-unlikely-to-make-november-ballot

I feel like this SQ will have more vocal and organized opposition than did 788. Seems reasonable to think it won't make this year's ballot. Until they get all the signatures, and get them approved, it's a moot point anyway.

It’s actaully probably better for 2020 if you want it too pass.

That’s 2 years living with medical mj and the world not ending. It will flip some no’s to yes’s.

It’s actaully probably better for 2020 if you want it too pass.

That’s 2 years living with medical mj and the world not ending. It will flip some no’s to yes’s.

You bring up a good observation point; had medical mj been put before the voters in 2016 its likelihood of failure favored the opposition. If SQ 797 is delayed--2020 just may put it over the finish line.

It’s actaully probably better for 2020 if you want it too pass.

That’s 2 years living with medical mj and the world not ending. It will flip some no’s to yes’s.

I agree. I don't think public opinion in Oklahoma is quite there yet to get recreational passed but in 2020 it stands more of a shot (and that's pushing it). On cannabis issues, Oklahoma currently consistently polls about 30 points more conservatively than the nation as a whole, likely due to the state's evangelical Christian culture. National support for medical is about 90% nationally (60% in Oklahoma). Recreational currently stands at just over 60% nationally and the most recent poll in Oklahoma shows that just over 30% support recreational.

https://soonerpoll.com/news-9-newson-6-poll-shows-voters-divided-on-medical-marijuana-rules/

I was wondering if the Health Board was ever going to hold that meeting the Gov and AG told them to hold- appears to be set for August 1st.
https://newsok.com/article/5602417/board-could-consider-medical-marijuana-rules

Reminder to get out & sign the petitions ASAP

Link for finding a location close to you:
https://gtvok.com/locations

Can't people start submitting applications today? Or am I misunderstanding?

Can't people start submitting applications today? Or am I misunderstanding?

You can download and fill them out (and get a doctors signature). They won't start accepting them until 8/25 from what I read.

However, the penalty for possession has changed as of today.

I don't think public opinion in Oklahoma is quite there yet to get recreational passed but in 2020 it stands more of a shot (and that's pushing it). On cannabis issues, Oklahoma currently consistently polls about 30 points more conservatively than the nation as a whole, likely due to the state's evangelical Christian culture. National support for medical is about 90% nationally (60% in Oklahoma). Recreational currently stands at just over 60% nationally and the most recent poll in Oklahoma shows that just over 30% support recreational.

https://soonerpoll.com/news-9-newson-6-poll-shows-voters-divided-on-medical-marijuana-rules/

SQ797 has no provision for home grows and allows cities to ban rec marijuana dispensaries, so that much may help some people decide to vote yes.

Does anybody have an updated count on the petitions? Is there a web site that tracks the number of sigs? I assume this weekend is their last push.

Does anybody have an updated count on the petitions? Is there a web site that tracks the number of sigs? I assume this weekend is their last push.

I don't think so, but they will update us on Sunday! You can check out their Facebook page "Green the Vote" as they regularly post updates on the health department, signature count, and any other issues they are trying to tackle!

Does anybody have an updated count on the petitions? Is there a web site that tracks the number of sigs? I assume this weekend is their last push.
Their last day is Aug. 8, so one more weekend after this one.

Last night I took a buddy to sign at the NW Expressway location after golfing. They turned in about 2,500 signatures earlier this week and received closed to 1,000 just on Thursday. Seems like they will have enough to get it on the ballot.

Their last day is Aug. 8, so one more weekend after this one.

All petitions must be turned into the Secretary of State by this date. Green the Vote is requesting that any remaining petitions be mailed back to them as soon as possible with the goal of having nearly all of them returned around Aug 01, giving GtV enough time to bundle them up and return them to the SoS by the deadline. This weekend will be the last major push for signatures.

Looks like a new Draft of emergency rules is out today and they have reversed the most absurd of the rules. allowing smoekeable, removing the pharmacist requirement and removing the Pregnancy test requirement being the top 3.

Looks like a new Draft of emergency rules is out today and they have reversed the most absurd of the rules. allowing smoekeable, removing the pharmacist requirement and removing the Pregnancy test requirement being the top 3.

They also got rid of THC % limits.

I'm not sure what needs to happen now to get the changes back in.

Looks like a new Draft of emergency rules is out today and they have reversed the most absurd of the rules. allowing smoekeable, removing the pharmacist requirement and removing the Pregnancy test requirement being the top 3.


Prob seen the big push for recreational after the tricks they pulled and thought they better reverse asap and try to stem the tide.

I don't think so, but they will update us on Sunday! You can check out their Facebook page "Green the Vote" as they regularly post updates on the health department, signature count, and any other issues they are trying to tackle!

Thanks,lots of info on their site.

[QUOTE=bchris02;1041567]I agree. I don't think public opinion in Oklahoma is quite there yet to get recreational passed but in 2020 it stands more of a shot (and that's pushing it). On cannabis issues, Oklahoma currently consistently polls about 30 points more conservatively than the nation as a whole, likely due to the state's evangelical Christian culture. National support for medical is about 90% nationally (60% in Oklahoma). Recreational currently stands at just over 60% nationally and the most recent poll in Oklahoma shows that just over 30% support recreational.

I have no idea, but if 90% nationally supports it, then why do only 30 states approve of it ?

Last night I took a buddy to sign at the NW Expressway location after golfing. They turned in about 2,500 signatures earlier this week and received closed to 1,000 just on Thursday. Seems like they will have enough to get it on the ballot.

I was there to volunteer late Friday afternoon in time for rush hour and stayed until they started packing up. They have somebody who comes twice a day to notarize signature sheets. I asked him how many sheets he thought he notarized and said 74 or 75, with time left for more signatures. So that's over 1500. That site has been legendary for helping to advance the Oklahoma marijuana movement.

I for one would certainly like to see rec. pass. I’m disgusted with the rules being rigged the way they were. And dog tired of the reefer madness from politicians placating to their constituency rather than honoring the will of the majority.

They really need to put in some solid and easy to follow guidelines for farming and cultivation. Colorado did not do such a great job and enterprising people simply circumvent the system by renting houses and converting them into illegal grow operations. And if we make it illegal or even barely legal to produce or grow, people will just illegally produce and grow. Even the edibles and concentrates have to come from somewhere. And I’d like to see Oklahoma farmers get in on the action. I’d be willing to bet one could set up a healthy operation for a fraction of the price of a new combine harvester.

I’d much rather see big specialized greenhouses dotting the wheat and soybean farmlands than a 2story McMansion with blacked out windows run by gangsters. In my experience with rec in other states. Everything is lab tested to reveal the chemical composition and absence of harmful chemicals or toxins. You can custom tailor your product for your intended use, be it a plethora of medical and therapeutic uses, or just something that makes Nintendo even better. I fear that might not be the case if all the product has to be imported.

If Oklahoma legalizes recreational will there will be huge stores just over the TX border targeting the DFW market like the casinos?

With Oklahoma's low RE costs for industrial warehouses I could see an industry cluster develop. That is one of the major issues with the industry in Colorado is that real estate costs are too high to set-up large-scale greenhouse/warehouse operations.

OGE's Smart Hours will surely be an amazing windfall for indoor grow ops! Glad to see the emergency Health Department regulations are relaxed. Things are looking up. I'd actually be surprised if 797 doesn't get enough signatures to pass. I'm somewhat doubtful it will be voted on in November. I actually think 2020 it has a better shot. Then again, I dunno. I'm sure the 2020 election is going to have some of the highest participation rates of any recent election. All the Trumpster's are going to want to keep him in, and all the haters are going to do everything they can to get him out. It'll be interesting, that's for sure.

Has anybody done the homework on starting a commercial grow operation? Is it OK as long as the owner of the rented commercial property provides written permission?

I was there to volunteer late Friday afternoon in time for rush hour and stayed until they started packing up. They have somebody who comes twice a day to notarize signature sheets. I asked him how many sheets he thought he notarized and said 74 or 75, with time left for more signatures. So that's over 1500. That site has been legendary for helping to advance the Oklahoma marijuana movement.

I drove by that location twice today and they were very busy both times it appeared. People were standing in line and many cars in the lot. I bet they sail right past the required number. The best thing to happen for these petitions was the health departments adding those late rules. It appears that it backfired on them because support has been through the roof since from people I have spoken to.

OGE's Smart Hours will surely be an amazing windfall for indoor grow ops! Glad to see the emergency Health Department regulations are relaxed. Things are looking up. I'd actually be surprised if 797 doesn't get enough signatures to pass. I'm somewhat doubtful it will be voted on in November. I actually think 2020 it has a better shot. Then again, I dunno. I'm sure the 2020 election is going to have some of the highest participation rates of any recent election. All the Trumpster's are going to want to keep him in, and all the haters are going to do everything they can to get him out. It'll be interesting, that's for sure.

Has anybody done the homework on starting a commercial grow operation? Is it OK as long as the owner of the rented commercial property provides written permission?

Marijuana has been steadily rising in support, and I feel like having ~2 years of medical (once everyone can see that society hasn't collapsed) will only help it have support in 2020. I'd rather vote on it sooner, but it may help to delay it a bit.

Farmers with the right seed, equipment & storage to prepare medical or recreational marijuana for distribution will see a good potential for profits in the 30-50% range above regular farm crops. Imagine the commercial warehouse space in OKC leased to 95% capacity.


Imagine, the tourism from Texas alone crossing into the Oklahoma border for the weekends staying for mini-vacations to take in some scenery and aroma.

If recreation gets on the November ballot, look for it to pass by a narrow (+ 5 %) margin; should it be delayed, no negative advertising will stop a 10 - 15% overwhelming support which will put it over the top.


“I’ve got 1,500 acres of normal row crops and 400 head of cattle,” Foster says. “If it was possible I’d turn my entire operation over to some type of cannabis production today. Every acre. Today.”

Marijuana Farming Is Now For US Agriculture: https://www.agweb.com/article/marijuana-farming-is-now-for-us-agriculture-naa-chris-bennett/

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The Chickasaw Tribe will have 100 acres near the AICCM to develop. A crop, a Great Wolf/Smoke Lodge or both.

I have no idea, but if 90% nationally supports it, then why do only 30 states approve of it ?

The Republican Party primarily and some Democrats for that matter.

SQ797 is finally over the top. Needs to get over 150,000 to help discourage or survive a challenge.
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The Republican Party primarily and some Democrats for that matter.

Neither.

Large scale societal changes like this are very very difficult to achieve in this country, and the system was intentionally designed that way. It's designed that way so the government becomes a large stable force that doesn't change with the direction of the winds. (It's why Trump won't get much of what he wants done, neither Obama for that matter. Power is too spilt up between federal, state, and local and across too many institutions Legislative, Executive, and Judicial) Good decisions are deeply ingrained into the fabric of society (Bill of Rights) while bad ones can take years and even wars to overcome. (Slavery) Fortunately bad ones in recent history have been overcome with large scale consensus, not wars. Not the 51% consensus, large scale 75%+ plus consensus.

Group says it reached signature goal to put recreational marijuana on November ballot: http://www.koco.com/article/group-says-it-reached-signature-goal-to-put-recreational-marijuana-on-november-ballot/22584729

It took two months from the time SQ793 promoters submitted over 250,000 signatures to the time when the Governor Fallin signed it to put it on the November ballot. (SQ793 wants to okay opticians and optometrists to set up shop in any store, like Wal-Mart.) So it's hard to see how 796 and 797 gets on the ballot for November.

Neither.

Large scale societal changes like this are very very difficult to achieve in this country, and the system was intentionally designed that way. It's designed that way so the government becomes a large stable force that doesn't change with the direction of the winds. (It's why Trump won't get much of what he wants done, neither Obama for that matter. Power is too spilt up between federal, state, and local and across too many institutions Legislative, Executive, and Judicial) Good decisions are deeply ingrained into the fabric of society (Bill of Rights) while bad ones can take years and even wars to overcome. (Slavery) Fortunately bad ones in recent history have been overcome with large scale consensus, not wars. Not the 51% consensus, large scale 75%+ plus consensus.

I agree, but I think the public opinion is there on marijuana. It remains illegal because the politicians are paid off by industries like Big Pharma and private prisons. When you think about it, to be able to mass incarcerate people for such a small non-crime is a huge boon for private prisons. Republicans use the Christian Right "we are protecting the moral fabric of society" argument to justify continuing to criminalize it and historically that has worked. In reality it's all about money. Democrats are typically more open to legalization on the surface but even many of them are bought and paid for or otherwise it would be legal in more blue states.

I agree, but I think the public opinion is there on marijuana. It remains illegal because the politicians are paid off by industries like Big Pharma and private prisons. When you think about it, to be able to mass incarcerate people for such a small non-crime is a huge boon for private prisons. Republicans use the Christian Right "we are protecting the moral fabric of society" argument to justify continuing to criminalize it and historically that has worked. In reality it's all about money. Democrats are typically more open to legalization on the surface but even many of them are bought and paid for or otherwise it would be legal in more blue states.

Which is why it’s legal in more than half the states and legislation will soon pass that sends regulation back to the states.

So I don’t really buy your argument. Large changes take time, no matter the issue no matter who’s in charge.

Yawn. The Christian Right boogieman again. Must be Tuesday. Sometimes the explanation is simply generation differences. But why accept that when you can demonize an entire group, right?

I agree, but I think the public opinion is there on marijuana. It remains illegal because the politicians are paid off by industries like Big Pharma and private prisons. When you think about it, to be able to mass incarcerate people for such a small non-crime is a huge boon for private prisons. Republicans use the Christian Right "we are protecting the moral fabric of society" argument to justify continuing to criminalize it and historically that has worked. In reality it's all about money. Democrats are typically more open to legalization on the surface but even many of them are bought and paid for or otherwise it would be legal in more blue states.

Dude, please stop or move. You have a fetish for the Christian right? You talk about them in every post. I am a very Christian man who supports marijuana. I won't use it, but see no reason for it to be illegal. I get you hate everything Republican, but it doesn't make you morally superior. Quit taking shots. It makes it really hard to have discussions with you.

Dude, please stop or move. You have a fetish for the Christian right? You talk about them in every post. I am a very Christian man who supports marijuana. I won't use it, but see no reason for it to be illegal. I get you hate everything Republican, but it doesn't make you morally superior. Quit taking shots. It makes it really hard to have discussions with you.

He doesn't necessarily mean people like you. He most of all means legislators Oklahomans repeatedly elect, such as anti pot Sen. Lankford. He will probably be senator for as long as he desires. I don't expect any of the 7 Oklahoma legislators in DC to vote yes on any pro federal marijuana bills. But then many people, like you, vote to keep them in office. So I don't blame him for taking shots. Surely there are Oklahoma Republicans who could be better legislators at the federal level. Except for Sen. Inhofe, who wisely chose not to take a direct stand on SQ788, I can't think of anything my Republican legislators in DC have done for my area. Hopefully, bchris02's complaints about the Oklahoma Christian Right and their reps will become out of date in the not too distant future.

I won't mind being proved wrong should any of the Oklahoma legislators in DC finally decide to change their prohibition happy minds on marijuana. I wouldn't be surprised that when Republicans vote, they think there are more important issues to consider than how a candidate feels about legalizing marijuana.

He doesn't necessarily mean people like you. He most of all means legislators Oklahomans repeatedly elect, such as anti pot Sen. Lankford. He will probably be senator for as long as he desires. I don't expect any of the 7 Oklahoma legislators in DC to vote yes on any pro federal marijuana bills. But then many people, like you, vote to keep them in office. So I don't blame him for taking shots. Surely there are Oklahoma Republicans who could be better legislators at the federal level. Except for Sen. Inhofe, who wisely chose not to take a direct stand on SQ788, I can't think of anything my Republican legislators in DC have done for my area. Hopefully, bchris02's complaints about the Oklahoma Christian Right and their reps will become out of date in the not too distant future.

I won't mind being proved wrong should any of the Oklahoma legislators in DC finally decide to change their prohibition happy minds on marijuana. I wouldn't be surprised that when Republicans vote, they think there are more important issues to consider than how a candidate feels about legalizing marijuana.

I am not one of those who voted for any of our current DC reps or senators. I voted against them. I used to love Lankford. I have known him since I was in middle school (Falls Creek, which he was a huge part of then). But his views are so different than mine. But I also know I am in the minority on that.

Its gonna be stormy tonight with a risk of tornadoes. Darn those religious folks.

Can the pro marijuana folks help me out. This is a serious question. I am not trying to play gotcha or anything like that. I am trying to understand the mindset why smoking cigarettes is bad but marijuana is just fine health wise.

In 1990s brought big tobacco where states sued for billions, which Oklahoma has TSET. The lawsuits were cigarettes were bad for you because they were addictive and smoking was bad for health especially lungs. It causes higher rates of cancer, second hand smoke and all that stuff.

In regards to smoking marijuana, what is the difference between smoking cigarettes and smoking marijuana in regards to health. In 1950s health journals said smoking cigarettes were good for you.

Are we going to have big marijuana in 40 years and she the companies for billions.

Am I missing something. Is marijuana any healthier than cigarettes in how it effects the body through smoke to the lungs? How about second hand smoke.

Ok, first of all, anything you breath can have health consequences. However, there are people for whom smoking is the best way to consume. People dont understand the nausea of chemo. But yes, they should take measures to prevent second hand smoke to others.

... I am trying to understand the mindset why smoking cigarettes is bad but marijuana is just fine health wise. ...
Am I missing something. Is marijuana any healthier than cigarettes in how it effects the body through smoke to the lungs? How about second hand smoke.

Couple of things; From my exposure to medical marijuana use (almost exactly one year ago I began treatment for stage 3 cancer of the head and neck) I have found that there is no conclusive information that second hand marijuana smoke has harmful effects on others (*from the ALA; "...there is no data on the health consequences of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke..."). Additionally, there is very limited information, and none that I could find, that conclusively shows smoking marijuana casually has the same negative effects on the smoker's lungs.

Regardless, the list of positive effects for medical marijuana (smoking or otherwise) is long indeed. I choose not to smoke it (I obtained my marijuana illegally from a state that allowed recreation use) and instead relied on edibles, creams and patches.

Smoking was not my preference and it would not have been a good choice. My medical treatment plan included huge doses of Cisplatin (chemo) and daily 15-minute, 3 target, radiation of my head and neck for 35 consecutive days. The radiation causes phlegm that you can't even imagine and smoking marijuana would most likely make it even worse. My throat was also so raw I often coughed up bloody bits of throat tissue. So, while smoking marijuana is often excellent for chemo patients, you have to take the entirety of their treatment plan into consideration.

For me, marijuana addressed some very critical issues; anxiety (I didn't use a feeding tube - over 80% of patients with my cancer use a PEG tube - and just the thought of trying to take in calories orally was almost as unbearable as the pain of actually doing it). It helped me to maintain my appetite (I needed to consume 2,500 - 3,000 calories a day - and even at that pace I lost around 50 pounds). It alleviated nausea. It made it possible to relax enough to sleep. For me it eliminated the need to take the laundry list of opioids I had been prescribed (Oxy, Hydro, Morphine, etc.) and therefore I did not have to worry about side effects, organ damage or addiction. And best of all, unlike with opioid use, I could get up an drive myself to treatment every day and then go to work and then home.

While cigarettes address none of those issues and come with their own laundry list of negative side effects for the user, and those around them, marijuana's list of known effects is overwhelmingly positive.

While I chose not to smoke marijuana, I know many cancer patients for whom smoking was their best method of delivery of the drug.

Can the pro marijuana folks help me out. This is a serious question. I am not trying to play gotcha or anything like that. I am trying to understand the mindset why smoking cigarettes is bad but marijuana is just fine health wise.

In 1990s brought big tobacco where states sued for billions, which Oklahoma has TSET. The lawsuits were cigarettes were bad for you because they were addictive and smoking was bad for health especially lungs. It causes higher rates of cancer, second hand smoke and all that stuff.

In regards to smoking marijuana, what is the difference between smoking cigarettes and smoking marijuana in regards to health. In 1950s health journals said smoking cigarettes were good for you.

Are we going to have big marijuana in 40 years and she the companies for billions.

Am I missing something. Is marijuana any healthier than cigarettes in how it effects the body through smoke to the lungs? How about second hand smoke.

Isn't part of all the TSET and lawsuits the fact the cigarette companies knowingly added something to the tobacco that made it addictive? Seems I saw that in one of the recent TSET PSAs. It seems like they aren't naturally addictive, and the cigarette companies engineered them to rewire the brain of a smoker to make them near impossible to quit.