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Bunty 02-21-2018, 07:49 PM This is so dumb. So Enns wants to prevent the majority of Oklahomans voting yes on something because a few rural folks are scared? Get out and vote no if you are scared. And if you dont have enough votes, then sorry because democracy wins.
If legislators fear undesirable questions being put on the ballot, they only need to look in the mirror. In recent years, they have been asking Oklahoma voters to okay questions voters soundly rejected. In one case, though, they were able to get people to okay a law later ruled as unconstitutional, the ban on Sharia law. So how would the legislators like it, if people tried to get a law passed requiring a 60% majority from both houses before any of their questions could be put on the ballot?
I hope House Bill 1603 doesn't pass. Legislators should see it as a double edged sword. It means everybody will find it harder to meet petition requirements for proposals, including ones legislators, as well as their Christian Right constituents, may support.
Laramie 02-21-2018, 07:54 PM nm
Jim Kyle 02-22-2018, 10:39 AM Makes me think of when I was a kid and they had a roadblock on I 40 checking cars for beer being brought into Oklahoma. I remember seeing cars tossing cases out of thier windows and some trying to make u turns. It was either bud or Coors. Whichever one wasn't allowed to be sold in Oklahoma at the time.That was part of the same effort. In other states, "beer" normally contains 6% alcohol but in OK, the maximum allowable pre-1959 was 3.2%. Consequently, folk who wanted the most bang for their bucks imported the "real thing" from out of state. Once we repealed prohibition, the 6% variety became available legally -- but only if sold in liquor stores. Grocers are still restricted to 3.2% and will be until later this year!
Jim Kyle 02-22-2018, 10:42 AM I actually think they do have the ability to do this. Why they don't is another question.. would be interested to learn more.I suspect the reason is that the feds have not yet legalized it and their sovereign status might be put at risk.
bchris02 02-22-2018, 10:48 AM That was part of the same effort. In other states, "beer" normally contains 6% alcohol but in OK, the maximum allowable pre-1959 was 3.2%. Consequently, folk who wanted the most bang for their bucks imported the "real thing" from out of state. Once we repealed prohibition, the 6% variety became available legally -- but only if sold in liquor stores. Grocers are still restricted to 3.2% and will be until later this year!
The large domestics still have refused to sell their full-strength product in Oklahoma for whatever reason. I would say this is mostly responsible for making me a craft beer person. Before I moved back to Oklahoma, I pretty much stuck to the domestics and some imports. While I will mostly stick to craft beer, it will be nice to be able to get a cheap six-pack of real drinkable Budweiser to take to things like parties and what not. People from Oklahoma like to defend 3.2 beer by saying there really isn't much of a difference but that only applies if you are drinking something like Bud Light or Coors Light. Anything else "full flavor" you buy at the grocery store currently is going to taste very watery compared to the real thing.
jerrywall 02-22-2018, 10:59 AM The reason Amheiser-Busch gave was that 3.2 in grocery was the highest selling in in Oklahoma so making both didn't make sense. This did change on a limited basis a few years back.
OKCRT 02-22-2018, 11:11 AM The reason Amheiser-Busch gave was that 3.2 in grocery was the highest selling in in Oklahoma so making both didn't make sense. This did change on a limited basis a few years back.
Couldn't you get the stronger stuff (Bud/Coors)in bars and liquor stores back in the 70s? Then it all went to 3.2 sometime that I can't remember.
OKCRT 02-22-2018, 11:13 AM BTW I would fully support the Indian Tribes going full legal MJ on their property. That should be within their rights I know the FEDS but it should be no different than gambling.
ctchandler 02-22-2018, 09:55 PM My guess is it’s a publicity stunt. Why would your Oklahoma rental car have CO plates?
BG,
Not uncommon at all. I'm retired from Hertz and cars are driven one way fairly often so if somebody flew out to Colorado and decided to drive back to Oklahoma they can do it for a price. Then, the Oklahoma location will try to send the car back if a renter reserves his car for pickup in Oklahoma and return to Colorado. But as long as the car is still on the Ok lot they will rent it.
C. T.
jerrywall 02-23-2018, 10:13 AM Couldn't you get the stronger stuff (Bud/Coors)in bars and liquor stores back in the 70s? Then it all went to 3.2 sometime that I can't remember.
Not sure. It's before I could drink but I know liquor by the drink wasn't available until 1984. So they may had sold in liquor stores then but at some point they focused on one product.
BlackmoreRulz 02-23-2018, 11:40 AM Yes, you used to be able to get the higher alcohol content in liquor stores, the way I remember it is they pulled it out of the state because it couldn't be refrigerated and they couldn't control the consistency of the product.
bchris02 02-23-2018, 12:02 PM Yes, you used to be able to get the higher alcohol content in liquor stores, the way I remember it is they pulled it out of the state because it couldn't be refrigerated and they couldn't control the consistency of the product.
This makes sense. The refrigeration thing is one thing that makes Oklahoma unique even compared to the other 3.2 states. I don't believe any other states have the ban on refrigeration.
Back to cannabis, another poll shows overwhelming support.
http://www.stwnewspress.com/news/poll-results-news-press-readers-support-medical-marijuana-initiative/article_7c5b78a2-72aa-5adf-8976-4de0f44586a8.html
It's astounding how out of touch our Baptist overlords at the statehouse are with current public opinion. Even in a heavily conservative state like Oklahoma they are out of touch.
pw405 02-23-2018, 05:36 PM This makes sense. The refrigeration thing is one thing that makes Oklahoma unique even compared to the other 3.2 states. I don't believe any other states have the ban on refrigeration.
Back to cannabis, another poll shows overwhelming support.
http://www.stwnewspress.com/news/poll-results-news-press-readers-support-medical-marijuana-initiative/article_7c5b78a2-72aa-5adf-8976-4de0f44586a8.html
It's astounding how out of touch our Baptist overlords at the statehouse are with current public opinion. Even in a heavily conservative state like Oklahoma they are out of touch.
As more and more people lose loved ones to opiate overdoses, I think that people are finally starting to realize that cannabis was never the boogeyman it was made out to be. The death toll is astounding if you look at how many Americans died due to opiates over the last 10 years. I've heard estimates as high as ~65,000 Americans died in 2017 due to opiates. Final numbers not out.
Regardless, the opiate crisis will soon take more American lives than WWII. Here's a depressing trend:
https://i.imgur.com/uG6olrI.png
OKCRT 02-23-2018, 06:03 PM As more and more people lose loved ones to opiate overdoses, I think that people are finally starting to realize that cannabis was never the boogeyman it was made out to be. The death toll is astounding if you look at how many Americans died due to opiates over the last 10 years. I've heard estimates as high as ~65,000 Americans died in 2017 due to opiates. Final numbers not out.
Regardless, the opiate crisis will soon take more American lives than WWII. Here's a depressing trend:
https://i.imgur.com/uG6olrI.png
Those opiates are way more addicting and harmful that MJ. I mean we are talking apples vs oranges as they are not in the same league. BUT,the health care industry and big pharma don't want you messing with their golden goose. The more people they can get addicted to their opiates the more money they make. Kinda like Big Tobacco
bchris02 02-24-2018, 05:41 PM The reason there is such resistance to legal marijuana, especially in conservative and very religious states like Oklahoma, is that a large number of people are still holding onto reefer madness propaganda. They view marijuana as a dangerous drug and a detriment to society. They also associate it with the counterculture movement of the 1960s and hip-hop culture eg. Snoop Dogg. Marijuana legalization is a scary prospect to social conservatives who see it as evidence of further societal decline from the Judeo-Christian values they believe this country was founded on. As more states legalize it (especially since all legal states have thus far been blue states), the average Okie social conservative will double down against it to try to preserve the "God-fearing" values that are the bedrock of our culture. That is what we are starting to see with these reactionary bills trying to preempt legalization.
If we want to see real change on this topic here in the Bible Belt, we are either going to have to wait a generation or we are going to have to find some way to convince older conservative Christians to rethink their stance on it. How to do that, I am not sure. They tend to dismiss facts regarding marijuana the same way they dismiss evidence for evolution or climate change. Most younger people support full legalization despite their religious views so even if it takes 40 years here, it will eventually happen.
Bunty 02-25-2018, 02:19 AM Finally, Senator Yen's Bill is going to go to committee next Monday Feb. 26th at 2 pm, RM. 535! We need phone calls if you cannot be there. Here is all the committee members. Call them and ask them to Vote NO on SB 1120! Senator Yen's Bill will take away all but four conditions to use cannabis for! And give regulation over to the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics! Here is a link to read it... http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20INT/SB/SB1120%20INT.PDF
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HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE
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Senator Ervin Yen - Chair-(405) 521-5543
Senator Rob Standridge - Vice Chair-(405) 521-5535
Senator Kim David-(405) 521-5590
Senator Kay Floyd-(405) 521-5610
Senator A J Griffin-(405) 521-5628
Senator Allison Ikley-Freeman-(405) 521-5600
Senator Darcy Jech-(405) 521-5545
Senator Greg McCortney-(405) 521-5541
Senator Adam Pugh-(405) 521-5622
Senator Dave Rader-(405) 521-5620
Senator Joseph Silk-(405)-521-5614
Senator Frank Simpson-(405) 521-5607
pw405 02-25-2018, 10:02 AM Finally, Senator Yen's Bill is going to go to committee next Monday Feb. 26th at 2 pm, RM. 535! We need phone calls if you cannot be there. Here is all the committee members. Call them and ask them to Vote NO on SB 1120! Senator Yen's Bill will take away all but four conditions to use cannabis for! And give regulation over to the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics! Here is a link to read it... http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20INT/SB/SB1120%20INT.PDF
________________________________________
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE
________________________________________
Senator Ervin Yen - Chair-(405) 521-5543
Senator Rob Standridge - Vice Chair-(405) 521-5535
Senator Kim David-(405) 521-5590
Senator Kay Floyd-(405) 521-5610
Senator A J Griffin-(405) 521-5628
Senator Allison Ikley-Freeman-(405) 521-5600
Senator Darcy Jech-(405) 521-5545
Senator Greg McCortney-(405) 521-5541
Senator Adam Pugh-(405) 521-5622
Senator Dave Rader-(405) 521-5620
Senator Joseph Silk-(405)-521-5614
Senator Frank Simpson-(405) 521-5607
This must not make it out of committee!!! What a joke, can you even make a new law in reaction to a law that doesn't exist?
jerrywall 02-25-2018, 10:33 AM Out of curiosity what aspects of this bill do folks have a problem with, if you're really about medical marijuana and not just back doorring recreational ni didn't examine it in detail but it really just seems to outline the implementation, something that will need to happen at some point.
*Edit. The conditions seem restrictive. Although non THC CBD oil treats my epilepsy fine. Having it regulated by an agency though needs to happen if it's truly for medicinal purposes.
Bunty 02-25-2018, 12:46 PM Out of curiosity what aspects of this bill do folks have a problem with, if you're really about medical marijuana and not just back doorring recreational ni didn't examine it in detail but it really just seems to outline the implementation, something that will need to happen at some point.
*Edit. The conditions seem restrictive. Although non THC CBD oil treats my epilepsy fine. Having it regulated by an agency though needs to happen if it's truly for medicinal purposes.
And it's too vague. From bill: "Serious condition means: a. having a severe debilitating or life threatening condition." Does this mean epilepsy? Crohn’s Disease? A few other specific conditions are named after that, though. A number of Oklahomans would still be having to leave the state.
Mr. Yen, or some other legislator, should have come out with this bill in 2016 after the first two medical marijuana petition had failed. Then it would have had a better chance of passing with enough time having made changes to it, if needed by now. But we simply live in a badly run state. If SB1120 makes it out of committee, hopefully it gets changed to be less restrictive.
Bunty 02-26-2018, 03:50 PM SB1120 has unfortunately passed through the Health and Human Services committee 6-5. Hopefully, the close vote is a good indicator that SB1120 won't make it all the way. For now, a good time to let your State Senator know he or she should vote no.
During the hearing for SB1120, interesting that Sen. Yen. revealed that attorneys have told him his bill may or may not preempt SQ788, if both passed.
http://www.soonerpolitics.org/editorial/senate-committee-passes-first-medical-cannabis-legislation
Laramie 02-26-2018, 04:06 PM Go ahead and legalize the sh+it and be willing to take on the adversities of the Devil's smoke; the state needs to harvest the economic tax benefits the Okie bootleggers are getting--tax free income.
Just imagine the business you pull from Texas; especially if you sold on tribal lands like the area near WINSTAR. Get 'em high & gambling all in one setting; stop beating around the bush. My grandmother smoked marijuana, it did wonders for her lumbago.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SwVf%2B8WtL.jpg https://www.cannabisni.com/images/the_green_gold.jpg
Oklahoma needs to quit half-stepping and follow Colorado's lead--go for THE GREEN GOLD.
Bunty 02-26-2018, 04:11 PM Go ahead and legalize the sh+it and be willing to take on the adversities of the Devil's smoke; the state needs to harvest the economic tax benefits the bootleggers are getting. Just imagine the business you pull from Texas; especially if you sold on tribal lands like the area near WINSTAR. Get 'em high & gambling all in one setting; stop beating around the bush.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SwVf%2B8WtL.jpg
Oklahoma needs to quit half-stepping and follow Colorado's lead--go for THE GREEN GOLD.
LOL, Dream on. Polling shows only 37% of Oklahomans approve of legalizing rec marijuana. At least, that is some improvement where a previous poll had it a 31%.
bchris02 02-26-2018, 04:52 PM LOL, Dream on. Polling shows only 37% of Oklahomans approve of legalizing rec marijuana. At least, that is some improvement where a previous poll had it a 31%.
Yeah. Legalizing it would make baby Jesus cry.
Laramie 02-26-2018, 05:25 PM Yeah. Legalizing it would make baby Jesus cry.
Who knows, may have been some marijuana mixed in that hay manger.
Bunty 02-26-2018, 09:38 PM Sen. Yen was asked why the free market wouldn't be allowed. Instead, the state would set the price for medical marijuana. Yen replied that's how New York State does it. Since when did Republican legislators decide they need to govern like the liberal state of New Your does?
Other restrictions points in SB1120:
-Puts dispense/retail at pharmacies and only a registered pharmacy can dispense.
-$2,000,000 bond required to grow/dispense/process.
-Only a "pharmacy" can grow.
-Applicant must be "approved" by a board to grow or dispense with very subjective conditions..one condition for approval is "good character..."
-ANY license can be pulled at ANY time by the commissioner of health.
-Smoked medical marijuana not allowed.
pw405 02-26-2018, 09:54 PM Sen. Yen was asked why the free market wouldn't be allowed. Instead, the state would set the price for medical marijuana. Yen replied that's how New York State does it. Since when did Republican legislators decide they need to govern like the liberal state of New Your does?
Other restrictions points in SB1120:
-Puts dispense/retail at pharmacies and only a registered pharmacy can dispense.
-$2,000,000 bond required to grow/dispense/process.
-Only a "pharmacy" can grow.
-Applicant must be "approved" by a board to grow or dispense with very subjective conditions..one condition for approval is "good character..."
-ANY license can be pulled at ANY time by the commissioner of health.
-Smoked medical marijuana not allowed.
This is insane!! I'm going to call & email my senator tomorrow to voice opposition to this!
TheTravellers 02-27-2018, 04:36 PM This is insane!! I'm going to call & email my senator tomorrow to voice opposition to this!
I was going to do the very same thing, but found out my senator is Yen, dammit (still going to email him and tell him how sh*tty his bill is). I haven't had a need to get in touch with a senator since we moved, and we're now apparently in his district. Oh well, guess I know who I'm going to vote against next election.
bchris02 02-27-2018, 05:24 PM I was going to do the very same thing, but found out my senator is Yen, dammit (still going to email him and tell him how sh*tty his bill is). I haven't had a need to get in touch with a senator since we moved, and we're now apparently in his district. Oh well, guess I know who I'm going to vote against next election.
Not that it will matter since Oklahoma is pretty much a defacto theocracy. It's absolutely mindblowing given where public opinion is on this at the current time and also with all the problems the state is dealing with, there is so much effort to stopping this before the people have even had a chance to vote on it. And why? Because fundamentalists don't like it? Given that this is Oklahoma though, I am not surprised at all. It's really difficult to not have a defeatist attitude around here.
jerrywall 02-27-2018, 05:38 PM Not everything is about religion.
d-usa 02-27-2018, 05:42 PM I was going to do the very same thing, but found out my senator is Yen, dammit (still going to email him and tell him how sh*tty his bill is). I haven't had a need to get in touch with a senator since we moved, and we're now apparently in his district. Oh well, guess I know who I'm going to vote against next election.
I think he will be term limited?
bchris02 02-27-2018, 05:49 PM Not everything is about religion.
Well sure, the private prison industry and Big Pharma also plays a role. However, religion and misinformation thanks to decades of anti-MJ propaganda is the primary reason there is such an effort to kill SQ 788 before it even passes. Just look at the people who are most vocal against MJ (be it medical or recreational) and it proves my point. Too many vocal people see medical MJ as a mask or a stepping stone to recreational. The thing is even if that is true, so what? Other states are legalizing recreational and its expected to snowball over the next several years. Why does Oklahoma always have to be 30 years behind the rest of the country?
jerrywall 02-27-2018, 05:56 PM I've never encountered much in regards to religion about marijuana. I agree there is misinformation. It doesn't help that (due to it's prohibition) it's been a serious source of revenue for gangs and organized crime, so they are linked in many people's mind.
Sometimes the reasons something is outlawed is something stupidly simple. For example, supposedly tattoos were outlawed after a senator's daughter got a tattoo at the fair. Oklahoma drags on Alcohol largely because of being admitted as a state on the condition we would be a dry state. We've only recently cross the point, I think, where the majority of voters are people who didn't grow up in a dry state.
bchris02 02-27-2018, 06:11 PM I've never encountered much in regards to religion about marijuana. I agree there is misinformation. It doesn't help that (due to it's prohibition) it's been a serious source of revenue for gangs and organized crime, so they are linked in many people's mind.
Growing up Independent Baptist, a distinction was never made between marijuana and harder drugs like heroin and meth. It was always preached against as a gateway drug and that Christians should oppose medical marijuana because it's a gateway for recreational (which would be a detriment to the moral fabric of society). The thought was that if there really was medicinal value a pill could be made and it wouldn't have to be smoked, hence where the part of SB1120 that bans smoking it comes from. Another factor is that cannabis has an image problem. Most people, especially reactionary social conservatives immediately think about stoner culture or the 1960s hippie counterculture movement, both being the antithesis of a good Christian society. This is actually a part of the pro-medial MJ movement here in Oklahoma I have personally been concerned about. Playing into stoner culture stereotypes isn't going to win support in a reactionary, highly religious state like Oklahoma.
Basically, the line of thinking is that drugs are drugs and drugs are sin and destroy lives and should be illegal. I actually had this viewpoint until recent years. As I've become less religious, I've really changed my position on a lot of issues, this being one of them.
Sometimes the reasons something is outlawed is something stupidly simple. For example, supposedly tattoos were outlawed after a senator's daughter got a tattoo at the fair. Oklahoma drags on Alcohol largely because of being admitted as a state on the condition we would be a dry state. We've only recently cross the point, I think, where the majority of voters are people who didn't grow up in a dry state.
That's interesting about the tattoos. It goes to show that when you have a small one-party state with a strong good ole' boy network, it's real easy to get stupid, draconian laws passed but it's very difficult to actually repeal them.
pw405 02-27-2018, 06:25 PM BAaahhhahaha alright, who did it??!
https://i.imgur.com/wR7ii0d.png
pw405 02-27-2018, 06:43 PM Not that it will matter since Oklahoma is pretty much a defacto theocracy. It's absolutely mindblowing given where public opinion is on this at the current time and also with all the problems the state is dealing with, there is so much effort to stopping this before the people have even had a chance to vote on it. And why? Because fundamentalists don't like it? Given that this is Oklahoma though, I am not surprised at all. It's really difficult to not have a defeatist attitude around here.
I should note that Yen's opponent, Carri Hicks, appears to be at least be somewhat supportive of SQ788, or at least anti-SB1120. She's a highly educated teacher who is fed up and decided to run for Senate! She's got my vote.
https://i.imgur.com/5sa5Olw.png?2
FYI in case anybody wasn't sure if you live in district 40, this is the map. (Surprisingly not as Gerrymander'd as I thought)
https://i.imgur.com/XPbUi6r.png
jerrywall 02-27-2018, 07:11 PM I have to say, considering who he kept out of office I'm willing to give Yen a little benefit of a doubt.
pw405 02-27-2018, 07:26 PM I have to say, considering who he kept out of office I'm willing to give Yen a little benefit of a doubt.
Which opponent were you referring to?
bchris02 02-27-2018, 07:28 PM Which opponent were you referring to?
Steve Kern, Sally Kern's husband. I was about to mention this when I saw that is who he defeated.
pw405 02-27-2018, 07:55 PM Steve Kern, Sally Kern's husband. I was about to mention this when I saw that is who he defeated.
Ahh!! Yes, very thankful for that.
Still, Yen's position on SQ788 is idiotic, and he shouldn't even be wasting resources trying to fight a new law that does not yet exist. That's what fundamentally irks me about SB1120. There are SO many problems at the state level right now. Pick one and attack that with all your energy. Yen has the ability to focus on making our state better, but instead he chooses a heavy-handed strategy to gut a bill that hasn't been voted on yet.
Now.. let's say SQ788 passes and as a result crime skyrockets, unemployment surges, rapes and murders are occurring faster than police can respond, and children start murdering their parents for fun (new Tide-pod challenge). THEN I could see, and likely support, an approach like SB1120.
We already have decades of this heavy-handed approach to marijuana enforcement and it simply doesn't work. The unregulated & un-taxed black market provides the supply. The tax payer gets handed the bill.
In the interest of being fair, I do agree with Yen that medicine isn't smoked. Make that a law... guess what happens? Oklahomans smoke illegal marijuana. Many patients who use cannabis medically will likely vape or eat the cannabis anyways.
jerrywall 02-27-2018, 10:35 PM Just to clarify, I disagree with Yen on this bill. I just meant as a legislator in general.
Jim Kyle 02-28-2018, 08:32 AM That's interesting about the tattoos. It goes to show that when you have a small one-party state with a strong good ole' boy network, it's real easy to get stupid, draconian laws passed but it's very difficult to actually repeal them.Just a small point of history: As far back as statehood, which was 110 years ago this past November, Oklahoma has tended to be a one-party state -- but WHICH party has changed several times. During the 1920s, for instance, the KKK was a strong power and even managed to get a governor impeached. Earlier, the dominant party was -- of all things -- socialist! But for most of that 110 years, the Democrats ruled the roost to such a degree that the GOP didn't even field candidates for many offices.
It was in the 1950s that the pendulum swung the other way, and for a brief period there we appeared to have real two-party competition. It's only been in the last few decades that it has gone all the way back to one-party rule. And if the current rudderless "governing" party gets much worse, together with the Opposition fielding really good aspirants to office, I'm sure the pendulum will swing back and those of my grandchildren who choose to stay in this State of Confusion will be complaining about yet another group of politicians.
Urbanized 02-28-2018, 09:21 AM ^^^^^^^^
I was about to say some of this...for most of Oklahoma’s history until quite recently it wasn’t a Republican state but instead almost completely Democrat.
Also, a personal note regarding the KKK and Socialist stuff you mentioned: I’ve recently been doing a ton of ancestry research, and I’ve unexpectedly found that multiple ancestors were in Oklahoma at the time of the Land Run, and that I’m a SIXTH generation Oklahoman. I’m still working on some of the details, but I had two sets of 3x great grandparents along with other family who were early settlers in Luther and Jones, and the common bond between all of them appears to be coming from the Midwest (especially Illinois/Indiana) and fighting for the Union during the Civil War.
One grandfather, a sergeant in the Missouri (Union) Militia Cavalry, became a land speculator late in life and even ended up owning two lots which are today a part of the lawn of City Hall. His second wife (my 3x great grandmother died 17 years before he did) was the widow of yet another Union soldier. I’ve found newspaper articles linking her to Socialist Party events and donations in the teens.
Also, my other 3x great grandfather on that branch (in law to the land speculator) - though I’ve yet to find a military record - was heavily involved in the Grand Army of the Republic. This fraternal group was comprised of former Union soldiers. I was shocked to find a collection of his papers at the Oklahoma History Center. When I had the collection pulled so that I could inspect it, I was initially disheartened when the first folder out of the file box was labeled “KKK papers.” After looking through them though, I was relieved to find that they were all ANTI-KKK propaganda, which makes sense, as the Grand Army had two missions; fundraising for Republican candidates (at the time Rs were truly the Party of Lincoln) and advocating for voting rights for African American war veterans (Black veterans were also welcomed into the Grand Army)
Though I was proud of the Union service and other things I’ve found on this branch, I’ll also say that I found plenty of Confederate veterans on my dad’s other branch, which came through Arkansas, Tennessee, etc.. Considering by the time I was born that all of my dad’s family including his own grandparents (the grandchildren of the Land Run grandparents) were avowed Democrats, it appears that the social norms in Oklahoma won over the descendants of the people who arrived here originally as idealistic emancipators.
Urbanized 02-28-2018, 09:23 AM Not sure what any of that post had to do with weed haha. Just responding to Jim Kyle’s post and bolstering his info with factual accounts of Oklahomans from that time frame.
bchris02 02-28-2018, 10:56 AM Not sure what any of that post had to do with weed haha. Just responding to Jim Kyle’s post and bolstering his info with factual accounts of Oklahomans from that time frame.
The history of the politics here is very relevant in terms of why this state is so resistant to social change compared to even other red states. The state seems to be determined to take the same path on cannabis legalization that it did on prohibition, liquor by the drink, tattoos, casinos, and the lottery.
And I agree that Oklahoma has always been a one-party state but it hasn't always been Republican. I think one thing that makes Oklahoma unique is there isn't as much of a rural/urban ideological divide like you see in most other states and that contributes to the fact the state has always been single party.
Urbanized 02-28-2018, 12:03 PM When I said I'm not sure what that post had to do with weed I was talking about my own ancestry-related post.
Jim Kyle 02-28-2018, 12:47 PM When I said I'm not sure what that post had to do with weed I was talking about my own ancestry-related post.
Nothing at all to do with the grass (roots?) question but still interesting. I had great-grandparents on both sides during the big battle, and both my maternal and paternal lines were in the area well before statehood. Maternal arrived in what is now Garvin County before 1900, and paternal in Bryan County shortly afterward. Both came from Texas. I still have the land patent signed by chiefs of the Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations transferring ownership of a full city block in Davis to my maternal grandfather. My son sold the land off in the early 1980s.
Urbanized 02-28-2018, 03:41 PM Oh, just to clarify, my 3x great grandfather's two lots that are now the lawn of City Hall are the lawn of OKC's City Hall, not Luther or Jones. OK, back to the regularly scheduled marijuana discussion.
Bunty 03-01-2018, 07:32 PM Not that it will matter since Oklahoma is pretty much a defacto theocracy. It's absolutely mindblowing given where public opinion is on this at the current time and also with all the problems the state is dealing with, there is so much effort to stopping this before the people have even had a chance to vote on it. And why? Because fundamentalists don't like it? Given that this is Oklahoma though, I am not surprised at all. It's really difficult to not have a defeatist attitude around here.
I'm glad this story doesn't complement your belief that Oklahoma is pretty much a Christian Right theocracy: https://nondoc.com/2018/03/01/senate-ledbetter-immorality-tied-shootings/
On the other matter, I think we're lucky SB1120 passed only by 6 to 5 and had its title struck. So it is subject to change and will have to be approved again before moving to the full Senate. Sen. Yen is the only sponsor of SB1120, which helps some. So to me, it's too early to have a defeatist attitude.
pw405 03-01-2018, 08:05 PM I'm glad this story doesn't complement your belief that Oklahoma is pretty much a Christian Right theocracy: https://nondoc.com/2018/03/01/senate-ledbetter-immorality-tied-shootings/
On the other matter, I think we're lucky SB1120 passed only by 6 to 5 and had its title struck. So it is subject to change and will have to be approved again before moving to the full Senate. Sen. Yen is the only sponsor of SB1120, which helps some. So to me, it's too early to have a defeatist attitude.
This is true, and now the bill is on quite a few people's radar. I plan to continue to spread awareness so that people can voice their opposition to their legislators.
TheTravellers 03-02-2018, 08:41 PM I think he [Yen] will be term limited?
He was elected in 2014, so not for a while. Good to see something about his opponent, she's most likely going to get my vote, thanks to pw405 for the info, now I don't have to go searching. :)
pw405 03-03-2018, 10:42 AM He was elected in 2014, so not for a while. Good to see something about his opponent, she's most likely going to get my vote, thanks to pw405 for the info, now I don't have to go searching. :)
Any time!
This is a positive development. The OK House is working with Oklahomans For Health to establish an Oklahoma Cannabis Commission to become a separate agency in charge of Cannabis related issues:
http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/more-proposed-medical-marijuana-legislation-advances-oklahoma
OKCRT 03-03-2018, 03:39 PM He was elected in 2014, so not for a while. Good to see something about his opponent, she's most likely going to get my vote, thanks to pw405 for the info, now I don't have to go searching. :)
She will def. get my vote as well. Hopefully she gets her name out. Yen needs to go
LocoAko 03-04-2018, 09:30 AM I know this thread isn't meant for campaigning, but Danielle Ezell is also mounting a strong fight against Sen. Yen and has already garnered a ton of enthusiastic support. I'd encourage those in SD 40 to look into her as well when deciding who to vote for in the primary. (Full disclaimer: I've been volunteering for Danielle's campaign, but a grad student volunteering their Saturday mornings away should go to show how much I believe in her and her campaign, lol). Regardless of who wins the primary on the other side, though, Sen. Yen has quite a fight ahead for himself, and I suspect his latest efforts aren't helping him all that much against a turning tide of people in this part of the city who are increasingly eager to see him go...
gopokes88 03-04-2018, 09:57 AM I know this thread isn't meant for campaigning, but Danielle Ezell is also mounting a strong fight against Sen. Yen and has already garnered a ton of enthusiastic support. I'd encourage those in SD 40 to look into her as well when deciding who to vote for in the primary. (Full disclaimer: I've been volunteering for Danielle's campaign, but a grad student volunteering their Saturday mornings away should go to show how much I believe in her and her campaign, lol). Regardless of who wins the primary on the other side, though, Sen. Yen has quite a fight ahead for himself, and I suspect his latest efforts aren't helping him all that much against a turning tide of people in this part of the city who are increasingly eager to see him go...
Is there a libertarian running too? If there is it’s a shoe in for the dems. Libertarian candidates fracture the republicans. Collin Walke basically won that way in a very red cycle (16), 18 will not be a friendly cycle for R’s.
LocoAko 03-04-2018, 10:37 AM Is there a libertarian running too? If there is it’s a shoe in for the dems. Libertarian candidates fracture the republicans. Collin Walke basically won that way in a very red cycle (16), 18 will not be a friendly cycle for R’s.
Not that I know of. So far I think just the two Democrats and Yen.
pw405 03-04-2018, 01:39 PM I know this thread isn't meant for campaigning, but Danielle Ezell is also mounting a strong fight against Sen. Yen and has already garnered a ton of enthusiastic support. I'd encourage those in SD 40 to look into her as well when deciding who to vote for in the primary. (Full disclaimer: I've been volunteering for Danielle's campaign, but a grad student volunteering their Saturday mornings away should go to show how much I believe in her and her campaign, lol). Regardless of who wins the primary on the other side, though, Sen. Yen has quite a fight ahead for himself, and I suspect his latest efforts aren't helping him all that much against a turning tide of people in this part of the city who are increasingly eager to see him go...
Oh awesome I didn't realize she was running! Sounds like we've got two decent picks! Would be very nice to turn a senate district once defined by Kern's insanity into one that represents a more progressive and logical viewpoint on issues.
OKCRT 03-05-2018, 07:19 PM Oh awesome I didn't realize she was running! Sounds like we've got two decent picks! Would be very nice to turn a senate district once defined by Kern's insanity into one that represents a more progressive and logical viewpoint on issues.
So who is in favor of MM? We def. know it's not Yen. He needs to go regardless.
bchris02 03-06-2018, 11:08 AM It looks like the OKC Chamber is against it as well. It's amazing how out of touch this state is with national public opinion.
https://nondoc.com/2018/03/06/effort-forming-to-oppose-sq-788/
pw405 03-06-2018, 06:52 PM It looks like the OKC Chamber is against it as well. It's amazing how out of touch this state is with national public opinion.
https://nondoc.com/2018/03/06/effort-forming-to-oppose-sq-788/
I was just getting ready to post this article! Now... I can see how some business leaders may be concerned regarding the provision in SQ788 that doesn't allow you to get fired if you take a drug test and have marijuana in your system. It could potentially scare away national employers. BUT... let's be honest. Most national employers don't want to come here BECAUSE of our political culture.
Seeing articles like this just "lights my fire" to be even more aggressive in spreading awareness about SQ788.
Urbanized 03-06-2018, 10:38 PM Oops wrong thread
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