IMO from a revenue standpoint I don't see this being very large. From a cost savings standpoint, when it comes to prosecutions, enforcement, and incarceration? That should be significant. And if it helps with the opioid crisis as well, that's another benefit.

Be leery of anything NORML puts out, expecially if they are sponsors of the medical marijuana legislation. They ran it in Colorado and it was so filled with loopholes it became a joke. If the state wants medical marijuana only, NORML is not the group to support. Their goal is clearly full recreational use which, per Colorado, brings up a whole new slate of problems .

Be leery of anything NORML puts out, expecially if they are sponsors of the medical marijuana legislation. They ran it in Colorado and it was so filled with loopholes it became a joke. If the state wants medical marijuana only, NORML is not the group to support. Their goal is clearly full recreational use which, per Colorado, brings up a whole new slate of problems .

So no wonder no out of state pro marijuana organizations, such as NORML or MPP, was interested in doing much of anything to assist writing the wording for the medical marijuana petition. And they sure weren't interested in putting up money to pay for anything, such as signature takers, for the petition, so there were none. The group, which sponsored the petition, working from the grass roots level, held meetings with supporters in Oklahoma City, Tulsa and Stillwater to help arrive at how the petition, which is now SQ 788 was worded. How medical marijuana was regulated in other states was considered. Hopefully, similar type steps will be taken in legalizing rec marijuana for Oklahoma, but with much more money provided for support.

Where does one go for info on becoming a grower in oklahoma?

See section 3: https://yeson788.com/sq-788

See section 3: https://yeson788.com/sq-788

Thank you

If people want recreational pot, thats fine with me because the legality here in CO causes relatively few major problems. Just dont be fooled by medical pot legislation that is so full of loopholes its obvious its designed for recreational use. Recreational availability has other considerations that must be dealt with such as growing laws, edibles regulations, DUI considerations and, most importantly, the who want to refine THC into dramatically more potent substances. Grow houses in family neighborhoods are also a problem

If people want recreational pot, thats fine with me because the legality here in CO causes relatively few major problems. Just dont be fooled by medical pot legislation that is so full of loopholes its obvious its designed for recreational use. Recreational availability has other considerations that must be dealt with such as growing laws, edibles regulations, DUI considerations and, most importantly, the who want to refine THC into dramatically more potent substances. Grow houses in family neighborhoods are also a problem

I haven't really followed CO's progress very closely... what problems are occurring from growing in neighborhoods?

https://www.thelostogle.com/2018/01/23/the-oklahoman-begins-its-war-against-the-medical-marijuana-initiative/

I haven't really followed CO's progress very closely... what problems are occurring from growing in neighborhoods?

People who haven't been around a growing operation may not be aware of it but it produces a pungent, skunk-like smell....not the smell you may be more aware of from a rock concert. There is a stretch of I25 south of downtown, where you can pick up that odor in your car as you whiz by at 45-50. As far as neighborhoods, the first problem is that it is illegal. You must have a license for a growing operation and a rental house is not an appropriate business location. Houses will also emit this skunk odor so the neighbors generally will know. The grows ops also pull a huge amount of power and the grow operator sometimes makes an illegal hookup to avoid the bill. The people who own these ops are generally organized crime of some sort so you wouldn't want them near your kids. Finally, some of these ops are also places where they are attempting to do more than just grow pot. They may be producing hash oil which is an explosives risk. 2 years ago, a house about 2 miles from where I live exploded from roofvto basement because of the butane used in making hash and hash oil. You see, people won't be satisfied with legalized recreational pot, they will always be trying to push the evelope to make new, more potent products.

Actually sounds pretty American to me.
Also, I thought you could cultivate up to 6 plants in your residence there.

Actually sounds pretty American to me.
Also, I thought you could cultivate up to 6 plants in your residence there.

6 plants PER resident over 21 - but, only 3 plants budding at one time.

However, I don't think 6 plants (give or take) is considered a 'grow operation.' It's just personal use.

People who haven't been around a growing operation may not be aware of it but it produces a pungent, skunk-like smell....not the smell you may be more aware of from a rock concert. There is a stretch of I25 south of downtown, where you can pick up that odor in your car as you whiz by at 45-50. As far as neighborhoods, the first problem is that it is illegal. You must have a license for a growing operation and a rental house is not an appropriate business location. Houses will also emit this skunk odor so the neighbors generally will know. The grows ops also pull a huge amount of power and the grow operator sometimes makes an illegal hookup to avoid the bill. The people who own these ops are generally organized crime of some sort so you wouldn't want them near your kids. Finally, some of these ops are also places where they are attempting to do more than just grow pot. They may be producing hash oil which is an explosives risk. 2 years ago, a house about 2 miles from where I live exploded from roofvto basement because of the butane used in making hash and hash oil. You see, people won't be satisfied with legalized recreational pot, they will always be trying to push the evelope to make new, more potent products.

I'm sure there are people who are illegally growing and even producing concentrates, but how does cannabis being legal make this worse? I'd imagine that these types of operations would be much less common since most folks would rather just go to the store and buy them legally.

People who haven't been around a growing operation may not be aware of it but it produces a pungent, skunk-like smell....not the smell you may be more aware of from a rock concert. There is a stretch of I25 south of downtown, where you can pick up that odor in your car as you whiz by at 45-50. As far as neighborhoods, the first problem is that it is illegal. You must have a license for a growing operation and a rental house is not an appropriate business location. Houses will also emit this skunk odor so the neighbors generally will know. The grows ops also pull a huge amount of power and the grow operator sometimes makes an illegal hookup to avoid the bill. The people who own these ops are generally organized crime of some sort so you wouldn't want them near your kids. Finally, some of these ops are also places where they are attempting to do more than just grow pot. They may be producing hash oil which is an explosives risk. 2 years ago, a house about 2 miles from where I live exploded from roofvto basement because of the butane used in making hash and hash oil. You see, people won't be satisfied with legalized recreational pot, they will always be trying to push the evelope to make new, more potent products.

Yawn... All these seem to be pretty minor, especially when compared to the 65,000 opioid deaths last year.

Stock yards, farms, dog food plants, busy highways also give off odors, much worse actually.
Bitcoin miners also suck a lot of power, but why does power use matter? You are much more likely to see someone illegally hook up power if pot wasnt legal.
Illegal operations would happen regardless. If something is legal is makes it much harder on the illegal groups.
Way more homes have exploded from meth making, and thats illegal.

So let me preface this by saying again, I'm 100% pro legalization...

Is one of the problems with grow houses in neighborhoods crime related. It's by nature a cash business. Now this can be fixed by federal law corrections but as the laws stand now...

Looks like the legislature is already trying to destroy this initiative and it hasn't even passed yet. One of the things they want to do is limit THC to minuscule amounts, which will basically defeat the purpose of the entire thing (CBD oil is already legal). I thought they would at least wait until next session.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/7snl79/sb_1120_authored_by_yen_will_place_strict/

Looks like the legislature is already trying to destroy this initiative and it hasn't even passed yet. One of the things they want to do is limit THC to minuscule amounts, which will basically defeat the purpose of the entire thing (CBD oil is already legal). I thought they would at least wait until next session.

https://www.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/7snl79/sb_1120_authored_by_yen_will_place_strict/

It's not like Oklahoma is pioneering to be the first state to legalize medical marijuana. Hopefully, Yen's bill ends up getting well stripped of the nonsense, if it goes far at all. He might as well be more concerned with drugs that can kill from an overdose.

It's not like Oklahoma is pioneering to be the first state to legalize medical marijuana. Hopefully, Yen's bill ends up getting well stripped of the nonsense, if it goes far at all. He might as well me more concerned with drugs that can kill from an overdose.

For whatever reason, religious authoritarians are always more concerned with marijuana than actual dangerous drugs. Ironic given that the Bible says God created all the herbs of the field and called them "good." It might have something to do with the stereotypes associated with cannabis, I don't know.

More scaremongering from the Oklahoman.

http://newsok.com/qa-with-vic-albert-sq-788-threatens-to-alter-employers-drug-free-workplaces/article/5580575

More scaremongering from the Oklahoman.

http://newsok.com/qa-with-vic-albert-sq-788-threatens-to-alter-employers-drug-free-workplaces/article/5580575

Wonder when we will see some articles supporting MM in the Oklahoman?

Wonder when we will see some articles supporting MM in the Oklahoman?

When Mark Woodward endorses MM.

Sigh, the question hasn't even been voted on yet, and here we are with our idiotic legislature already trying to pass bills to counteract what they assume will be the will of the people. Nothing to see here folks, just another State of OK Legislative session. Your tax dollars hard at work to circumvent something you haven't had the chance to vote on yet!

Senator Yen has SB1120, which seemingly counteracts everything in SQ788, such as:

-Only allows 5 (FIVE!!) dispensaries to operate in the entire state.
-Limits health conditions that medical MJ can be prescribed for.
-Felony penalties for non compliance with certain aspects of SQ788


SB1120 full text text: (55 page PDF): http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20INT/SB/SB1120%20INT.PDF
Legiscan Link: https://legiscan.com/OK/bill/SB1120/2018
Senator Yen's office phone: 405-521-5543
Senator Yen's Email: yen@oksenate.gov
Random disparaging article about Senator Yen & his wife: http://algerhart.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-bizarre-crimes-of-mrs-yen.html?m=1

Call and Email Your State Senator and let them know you strongly oppose SB1120 by Senator Yen. Takes a few minutes and you have nothing to worry about!

You can find your state legislature's info here: http://www.oklegislature.gov/FindMyLegislature.aspx

Not to be outdone by the Senate, the House is already at work to counteract (unpassed) SQ788 as well. Again, your tax dollars at work trying to counteract something that doesn't exist!
The Oklahoma (Legislative) Standard.

HB 3214 by Claudia Griffith turn control of SQ788 to the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics instead of the Health Department.

-Requires the OBN to create a database of patients & providers to be shared with federal law enforcement
-Publish data to show the societal damages of "controlled dangerous substances".
Overall, HB3214 is very vague and appears to grant seemingly random responsibilities to the OBN, essentially requiring them to publish and propagandize the data they collect.

Claudia Griffith's contact information: https://www.okhouse.gov/Members/District.aspx?District=45
HB 3214 Bill text (8 page PDF): https://legiscan.com/OK/text/HB3214/2018

Contact your state representative to let them know you strongly oppose HB 3214

The official call to Action link from the Yes On 788 team:
https://yeson788.com/call-to-action

Figured this would happen, but voicing your concerns with your state Rep and state Senator about this (and other issues) is the only way we are going to get out of the current disaster of a state government we have. Oh ya, and voting!!!!

Senator Ervin Yen is up for re-election in November of 2018.
Representative Claudia Griffith is up for re-election in November of 2018.

This is exactly why two weeks ago I stated that a constitutional amendment was needed. That is the only way to keep the grubby hands of the legislators off of citizen initiatives. Putting medical marijuana under the auspices of Mark Woodard in the OBN would be like putting Scott Pruitt in charge of the EPA. Oh wait...

I’ve always wondered why this “protect neighborhoods and families” paranoia exists. When farming/growing is legal, why wouldn’t a grower rent one of the thousands of metal buildings in industrial parks all over the msa and outskirts for penies on the dollar over converting a home into a grow operation?? It’s sounds like propaganda to me.

Cannabis causes paranoia in those who haven't consumed it.

Sigh, the question hasn't even been voted on yet, and here we are with our idiotic legislature already trying to pass bills to counteract what they assume will be the will of the people. Nothing to see here folks, just another State of OK Legislative session. Your tax dollars hard at work to circumvent something you haven't had the chance to vote on yet!

Senator Yen has SB1120, which seemingly counteracts everything in SQ788, such as:

-Only allows 5 (FIVE!!) dispensaries to operate in the entire state.
-Limits health conditions that medical MJ can be prescribed for.
-Felony penalties for non compliance with certain aspects of SQ788


SB1120 full text text: (55 page PDF): http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20INT/SB/SB1120%20INT.PDF
Legiscan Link: https://legiscan.com/OK/bill/SB1120/2018
Senator Yen's office phone: 405-521-5543
Senator Yen's Email: yen@oksenate.gov
Random disparaging article about Senator Yen & his wife: http://algerhart.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-bizarre-crimes-of-mrs-yen.html?m=1

Call and Email Your State Senator and let them know you strongly oppose SB1120 by Senator Yen. Takes a few minutes and you have nothing to worry about!

You can find your state legislature's info here: http://www.oklegislature.gov/FindMyLegislature.aspx

Not to be outdone by the Senate, the House is already at work to counteract (unpassed) SQ788 as well. Again, your tax dollars at work trying to counteract something that doesn't exist!
The Oklahoma (Legislative) Standard.

HB 3214 by Claudia Griffith turn control of SQ788 to the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics instead of the Health Department.

-Requires the OBN to create a database of patients & providers to be shared with federal law enforcement
-Publish data to show the societal damages of "controlled dangerous substances".
Overall, HB3214 is very vague and appears to grant seemingly random responsibilities to the OBN, essentially requiring them to publish and propagandize the data they collect.

Claudia Griffith's contact information: https://www.okhouse.gov/Members/District.aspx?District=45
HB 3214 Bill text (8 page PDF): https://legiscan.com/OK/text/HB3214/2018

Contact your state representative to let them know you strongly oppose HB 3214

The official call to Action link from the Yes On 788 team:
https://yeson788.com/call-to-action

Figured this would happen, but voicing your concerns with your state Rep and state Senator about this (and other issues) is the only way we are going to get out of the current disaster of a state government we have. Oh ya, and voting!!!!

Senator Ervin Yen is up for re-election in November of 2018.
Representative Claudia Griffith is up for re-election in November of 2018.

Thank you for posting this info. I have emailed my Rep and Senator and will be urging my friends to do the same.

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Thank you for posting this info. I have emailed my Rep and Senator and will be urging my friends to do the same.

No problem! I was humbled to see that the LostOgle posted very similar information the next day. OKCTalk - you heard it here first, folks! If everybody gets involved and actually interacts with their government representatives, we have a chance to make our state better! It just takes coordinated, relentless pressure on our legislature.

https://ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2018)

Oklahomans may be able to get legal weed much closer to home if this ends up happening.

In terms of full legalization in Oklahoma, I think there are two things to watch. The first is the removal of cannabis from the federal controlled substances act. This is unlikely to happen under Trump but will probably happen the next time a Democrat is in office. The second is for surrounding states to legalize. I think Missouri is most likely to go first because 2/3 of the state, including its most populous metro areas, are outside of the Bible Belt. Missouri is a much bigger deal for Oklahomans than Colorado because it's much closer to a majority of the state's population.

I am concerned OK is not ready for the results.

I am concerned OK is not ready for the results.

How can it be any worse than the results of meth and opioid abuse, results that have scourged our state? One could argue that you see some of those folks shift to pot, if legalized, and lessening the harm you see from other substances.

How can it be any worse than the results of meth and opioid abuse, results that have scourged our state? One could argue that you see some of those folks shift to pot, if legalized, and lessening the harm you see from other substances.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140825185315.htm



25 percent fewer opioid-related deaths in states allowing medical marijuana

Date:August 25, 2014

Source:
Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania

Summary: On average, states allowing the medical use of marijuana have lower rates of deaths resulting from opioid analgesic overdoses than states without such laws. Opioid analgesics, such as OxyContin, Percocet and Vicodin, are prescribed for moderate to severe pain, and work by suppressing a person’s perception of pain.

I'm ready for those results, assuming it holds true.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/fox-news-poll-support-for-legalizing-marijuana-hits-record-high.html

From Fox News nonetheless.

It seems that Christian Right voters are the only demographic that still opposes legalization.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/fox-news-poll-support-for-legalizing-marijuana-hits-record-high.html

From Fox News nonetheless.

It seems that Christian Right voters are the only demographic that still opposes legalization.


True, and they probably smoke more pot than anybody. Had it, hid it, done it & did it...

Still would love to see a vote.

True, and they probably smoke more pot than anybody. Had it, hid it, done it & did it...

Still would love to see a vote.

I wonder if you can write off the 20 or so counties in Oklahoma where liquor by the drink is still banned. Fortunately, they are not highly populated.

Our Baptist overlords are trying to make an already different ballot initiative process even more difficult because they fear recreational marijuana may eventually happen here and that the people might pass it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/fear-of-recreational-marijuana-legalization-apparently-prompts-move-to-curb/article_d93b8fdf-9d5d-564d-930e-2bb3e481c051.html

Meanwhile this happened.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/marijuana-activist-faces-felony-drug-charge-in-oklahoma/

This is why I think Oklahoma is still 50 years away.

Our Baptist overlords are trying to make an already different ballot initiative process even more difficult because they fear recreational marijuana may eventually happen here and that the people might pass it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/fear-of-recreational-marijuana-legalization-apparently-prompts-move-to-curb/article_d93b8fdf-9d5d-564d-930e-2bb3e481c051.html

Meanwhile this happened.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/marijuana-activist-faces-felony-drug-charge-in-oklahoma/

This is why I think Oklahoma is still 50 years away.

I'm in support of legalization/decriminalization, but she should *never* have had that in her car while driving through Oklahoma, she should know waaaaaaaaaaay better than that and if carrying stuff like that, *always* use your turn signal (although here in OK, that can sometimes be more suspect than *not* using it).

Our Baptist overlords are trying to make an already different ballot initiative process even more difficult because they fear recreational marijuana may eventually happen here and that the people might pass it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/fear-of-recreational-marijuana-legalization-apparently-prompts-move-to-curb/article_d93b8fdf-9d5d-564d-930e-2bb3e481c051.html

Meanwhile this happened.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/marijuana-activist-faces-felony-drug-charge-in-oklahoma/

This is why I think Oklahoma is still 50 years away.

It will be interesting to see if she takes it to jury trial or plea bargains. I don't blame them if they don't, especially in the backward rural counties, but more people should try taking their marijuana cases to court. If enough people do that and are acquitted, the prosecution could give up and speed up that 50 years.

It's not necessarily only about marijuana. I think legislators would like to make it harder for Oklahomans to undo bad legislative decisions and act on needed reform legislators are too far Christian right to touch. I'm surprised they're not trying to make petitions harder to do that would change statutes. That route was the only possible way with no money to pay signature takers to get enough signatures for medical marijuana.

With a recent poll that said only 37% of Oklahomans support legalizing rec marijuana, I don't see what legislators and their ignorant constituents have to worry about.

For a very positive note, the Stillwater News Press just finished a poll on SQ788. 62% approve of it. I think it's a good showing, since I bet the readership has few young people. If 62% yes is also representative state wide, then it should pass. Hopefully, though, the opposition won't come about with millions to spend in mass media for scare ads.

It will be interesting to see if she takes it to jury trial or plea bargains. I don't blame them if they don't, especially in the backward rural counties, but more people should try taking their marijuana cases to court. If enough people do that and are acquitted, the prosecution could give up and speed up that 50 years.

It's not necessarily only about marijuana. I think legislators would like to make it harder for Oklahomans to undo bad legislative decisions and act on needed reform legislators are too far Christian right to touch. I'm surprised they're not trying to make petitions harder to do that would change statutes. That route was the only possible way with no money to pay signature takers to get enough signatures for medical marijuana.

With a recent poll that said only 37% of Oklahomans support legalizing rec marijuana, I don't see what legislators and their ignorant constituents have to worry about.

Author of the bill is Rep. John Enns of Enid. I doubt Enid is as Christian Right as many towns and counties, since it voted to approve liquor by the drink served on Sunday by 70%.

I'm in support of legalization/decriminalization, but she should *never* have had that in her car while driving through Oklahoma, she should know waaaaaaaaaaay better than that and if carrying stuff like that, *always* use your turn signal (although here in OK, that can sometimes be more suspect than *not* using it).

I agree, but I don't think it was complete random chance either. Reminds me of the debacle with the Cleveland county DA and the Norman City councilman. For reasons like this, it just makes me more passionate to get the word out and make sure as many people as possible show up to vote yes on voting day! This is sooo idiotic to even be wasting law enforcement resources on this nonsense. Especially when other government services are crippled. Always enough resources to keep the devil's lettuce out of the hands of those pesky phd public speakers!

I agree, but I don't think it was complete random chance either. Reminds me of the debacle with the Cleveland county DA and the Norman City councilman. For reasons like this, it just makes me more passionate to get the word out and make sure as many people as possible show up to vote yes on voting day! This is sooo idiotic to even be wasting law enforcement resources on this nonsense. Especially when other government services are crippled. Always enough resources to keep the devil's lettuce out of the hands of those pesky phd public speakers!

Their priorities are so out of whack. They prob. really believe they are out to save the world and save us from ourselves.

My guess is it’s a publicity stunt. Why would your Oklahoma rental car have CO plates?

Reminds me of some reports I've seen where OHP notes cars crossing the border into Colorado and if that same car returns that same day they pull it over on anything they can think of just to search for marijuana. Explains why the border town motels are often booked solid when there is literally nothing in those town except dispensaries (stay the night and drive back in a day or two).

Our Baptist overlords are trying to make an already different ballot initiative process even more difficult because they fear recreational marijuana may eventually happen here and that the people might pass it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/fear-of-recreational-marijuana-legalization-apparently-prompts-move-to-curb/article_d93b8fdf-9d5d-564d-930e-2bb3e481c051.html

Meanwhile this happened.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/marijuana-activist-faces-felony-drug-charge-in-oklahoma/

This is why I think Oklahoma is still 50 years away.

This is so dumb. So Enns wants to prevent the majority of Oklahomans voting yes on something because a few rural folks are scared? Get out and vote no if you are scared. And if you dont have enough votes, then sorry because democracy wins.

Their priorities are so out of whack. They prob. really believe they are out to save the world and save us from ourselves.

They do. People might think I am crazy for saying this, but I really believe that when one of the states that shares a more accessible border with Oklahoma (like Missouri or Texas) legalizes marijuana, there will be talk of having mandatory checkpoints and car searches on the border going into Oklahoma from that state. That's the kind of mindset these people have. To them, they will be "protecting the people of Oklahoma and the moral fabric of the state from the havoc wreaked by a dangerous narcotic."

It will be interesting to see if she takes it to jury trial or plea bargains. I don't blame them if they don't, especially in the backward rural counties, but more people should try taking their marijuana cases to court. If enough people do that and are acquitted, the prosecution could give up and speed up that 50 years.

It's not necessarily only about marijuana. I think legislators would like to make it harder for Oklahomans to undo bad legislative decisions and act on needed reform legislators are too far Christian right to touch. I'm surprised they're not trying to make petitions harder to do that would change statutes. That route was the only possible way with no money to pay signature takers to get enough signatures for medical marijuana.

With a recent poll that said only 37% of Oklahomans support legalizing rec marijuana, I don't see what legislators and their ignorant constituents have to worry about.

I wonder how much her bond was set for and if she posted it yet? It's sad to hear about this but she could get life in the Penn for her crimes against the citizens of Pittsburg County. That Sheriff I bet is real proud.

This is so dumb. So Enns wants to prevent the majority of Oklahomans voting yes on something because a few rural folks are scared? Get out and vote no if you are scared. And if you dont have enough votes, then sorry because democracy wins.

It's the same issue with Presidential elections, people not wanting a popular vote because most people live in heavily populated areas and then people feel like their vote doesn't count for some reason just because they live in a tiny state with a low population density.

They do. People might think I am crazy for saying this, but I really believe that when one of the states that shares a more accessible border with Oklahoma (like Missouri or Texas) legalizes marijuana, there will be talk of having mandatory checkpoints and car searches on the border going into Oklahoma from that state. That's the kind of mindset these people have. To them, they will be "protecting the people of Oklahoma and the moral fabric of the state from the havoc wreaked by a dangerous narcotic."Well, they did just that back in 1958, to enforce the state's prohibition laws. They even stopped and searched buses coming out of Texas, and my own vehicle was searched by an OHP tropper on my return from a run to Whiskeyta Falls (but my jugs were hidden beneath my infant son in the back seat, and were not found).

The purpose then was to-the-letter enforcement of our draconian liquor law, and included such things as a raid on a party where legislators were entertaining a prospect for getting a large factory located in the state. They all, including the prospect, spent the night in jail. We didn't get the factory. But it marked the end of prohibition in the state! Perhaps draconian enforcement of our controlled-substance law, at NE 23 and Lincoln while the boys are meeting there, would be helpful.

Well, they did just that back in 1958, to enforce the state's prohibition laws. They even stopped and searched buses coming out of Texas, and my own vehicle was searched by an OHP tropper on my return from a run to Whiskeyta Falls (but my jugs were hidden beneath my infant son in the back seat, and were not found).

The purpose then was to-the-letter enforcement of our draconian liquor law, and included such things as a raid on a party where legislators were entertaining a prospect for getting a large factory located in the state. They all, including the prospect, spent the night in jail. We didn't get the factory. But it marked the end of prohibition in the state! Perhaps draconian enforcement of our controlled-substance law, at NE 23 and Lincoln while the boys are meeting there, would be helpful.

That is so messed up but definitely believable for Oklahoma. They also raided an Amtrak train that was passing through, resulting in Amtrak pulling out of Oklahoma. They did not return until the Heartland Flyer route was established in 2000.

I will be surprised if this is NOT how the state responds when Texas, Missouri, or Arkansas legalizes.

Well, they did just that back in 1958, to enforce the state's prohibition laws. They even stopped and searched buses coming out of Texas, and my own vehicle was searched by an OHP tropper on my return from a run to Whiskeyta Falls (but my jugs were hidden beneath my infant son in the back seat, and were not found).

The purpose then was to-the-letter enforcement of our draconian liquor law, and included such things as a raid on a party where legislators were entertaining a prospect for getting a large factory located in the state. They all, including the prospect, spent the night in jail. We didn't get the factory. But it marked the end of prohibition in the state! Perhaps draconian enforcement of our controlled-substance law, at NE 23 and Lincoln while the boys are meeting there, would be helpful.

What would they think if thousands gathered at the Capitol and lit Up? Would they call the national Guard to take control of things and arrest every one?
Maybe Fallin would welcome all?

What about the tribal lands, could they be open to some forms of marijuana like medical cannabis oil, medical marijuana or recreational marijuana?

Marijuana is here, alive and kicking thru illegal cultivation & distribution--state receives no benefits.

Do we eventually legalize it as a state funding source or does it pose more problems than it's worth.

That is so messed up but definitely believable for Oklahoma. They also raided an Amtrak train that was passing through, resulting in Amtrak pulling out of Oklahoma. They did not return until the Heartland Flyer route was established in 2000.

I will be surprised if this is NOT how the state responds when Texas, Missouri, or Arkansas legalizes.

Bchris, this type of thinking will limit us. While, yes, OK has historically done really stupid things, if enough people mobilize and take action, the laws will change. Problem is mainly who shows up voting day. Here's what happens on voting day: the 20-somethings (maybe even 30-something) stay home and bitch about dumb laws and backwards politics on social media and forget to vote. Meanwhile, super-christian old folks represent us at the polls and make us look stupid nationally by trying to legislate Christianity.

All we have to do is beat them on voting day. Every voting day, not just SQ 788.

I'm using SQ788 as a platform to really motivate 20-somethings to register, get involved, and stop the damage to our state's reputation.

To think... decades of costly and unproductive public policy can be un-done if enough Oklahomans draw an arrow on a piece of paper. That's it. The evil ring is destroyed! (Sorry, just watched LOTR trilogy again).

Hell, I don't even really like weed that much, but that doesn't stop me from seeing the problems with our current system.

If OK would just incarcerate people at the national average, we would automatically fix 1/5th of the budget problem.

What would they think if thousands gathered at the Capitol and lit Up? Would they call the national Guard to take control of things and arrest every one?
Maybe Fallin would welcome all?

I've had this exact thought! If we could get thousands to gather at the capitol and smoke a fatty, hell, even call the police on themselves.. how could jails/prisons keep up? We are already WAY over capacity. Only problem is finding 1000's who don't mind a small charge on their records. Any volunteers?

I've had this exact thought! If we could get thousands to gather at the capitol and smoke a fatty, hell, even call the police on themselves.. how could jails/prisons keep up? We are already WAY over capacity. Only problem is finding 1000's who don't mind a small charge on their records. Any volunteers?

They'd probably handle it the same way they often do in Norman and just write everyone a big ol'ticket - no transporting or cell required.

Bchris, this type of thinking will limit us. While, yes, OK has historically done really stupid things, if enough people mobilize and take action, the laws will change. Problem is mainly who shows up voting day. Here's what happens on voting day: the 20-somethings (maybe even 30-something) stay home and bitch about dumb laws and backwards politics on social media and forget to vote. Meanwhile, super-christian old folks represent us at the polls and make us look stupid nationally by trying to legislate Christianity.

All we have to do is beat them on voting day. Every voting day, not just SQ 788.

I'm using SQ788 as a platform to really motivate 20-somethings to register, get involved, and stop the damage to our state's reputation.

To think... decades of costly and unproductive public policy can be un-done if enough Oklahomans draw an arrow on a piece of paper. That's it. The evil ring is destroyed! (Sorry, just watched LOTR trilogy again).

Hell, I don't even really like weed that much, but that doesn't stop me from seeing the problems with our current system.

If OK would just incarcerate people at the national average, we would automatically fix 1/5th of the budget problem.

I definitely see what you are saying here. This tends to be an issue with a lot of younger people here who are dissatisfied with the status quo. The Christian Right is very, very powerful here and sometimes it feels like a lost cause to try to go up against them. That's a big reason a lot of people just don't bother to vote. They feel that the hassle isn't worth it since they can't make a difference anyways. However, things can change if enough people make their voices heard. The Christian Right dominates this state because they are at the polls every election. I doubt any other demographic in this state turns out like the fundamentalists.

Another thing that might be helpful is some kind of voter guide along the lines of what the churches pass out every election season. People can take 5 minutes to see who is up for election/re-election in their district and therefore will know who and what they are voting for before they decide to vote straight (R). Straight-party voting is the only explanation for why some of these people keep getting re-elected.

2016 showed that yes, while this is a very conservative state, it isn't quite as draconian as it would appear by watching what goes on at the statehouse. After all, the state voted for criminal justice reform, voted to modernize the liquor laws, and voted against repealing the money to religion clause in the state constitution. Hopefully SQ 788 can pass by a decent margin. If it only barely passes, then the legislature will have more ammo to go in and gut it afterwards (like they are already trying to do anyways).

I've had this exact thought! If we could get thousands to gather at the capitol and smoke a fatty, hell, even call the police on themselves.. how could jails/prisons keep up? We are already WAY over capacity. Only problem is finding 1000's who don't mind a small charge on their records. Any volunteers?

Half of those 1,000's are either currently locked up and the others are on probation.

Well, they did just that back in 1958, to enforce the state's prohibition laws. They even stopped and searched buses coming out of Texas, and my own vehicle was searched by an OHP tropper on my return from a run to Whiskeyta Falls (but my jugs were hidden beneath my infant son in the back seat, and were not found).

The purpose then was to-the-letter enforcement of our draconian liquor law, and included such things as a raid on a party where legislators were entertaining a prospect for getting a large factory located in the state. They all, including the prospect, spent the night in jail. We didn't get the factory. But it marked the end of prohibition in the state! Perhaps draconian enforcement of our controlled-substance law, at NE 23 and Lincoln while the boys are meeting there, would be helpful.

Makes me think of when I was a kid and they had a roadblock on I 40 checking cars for beer being brought into Oklahoma. I remember seeing cars tossing cases out of thier windows and some trying to make u turns. It was either bud or Coors. Whichever one wasn't allowed to be sold in Oklahoma at the time.

What about the tribal lands, could they be open to some forms of marijuana like medical cannabis oil, medical marijuana or recreational marijuana?

Marijuana is here, alive and kicking thru illegal cultivation & distribution--state receives no benefits.

Do we eventually legalize it as a state funding source or does it pose more problems than it's worth.

I actually think they do have the ability to do this. Why they don't is another question.. would be interested to learn more.

I've had this exact thought! If we could get thousands to gather at the capitol and smoke a fatty, hell, even call the police on themselves.. how could jails/prisons keep up? We are already WAY over capacity. Only problem is finding 1000's who don't mind a small charge on their records. Any volunteers?

I'd like to see 1000s file to run against incumbent Republican legislators to well rob them of the feeling that they must have been doing a damn good job, after all, because nobody ran against them.