... Timeless Vision.

...again, do any of you have any ( Ideas ) or just playground banter? Age is not that important, but Maturity is a huge plus in life. So, ...any ideas ( warren / plut /david / okok ) that are a "must have" for the BLVD?

This syntax is rather tortured. Also, your gratuitous use of quote marks is making my brain hurt.

This syntax is rather tortured. Also, your gratuitous use of quote marks is making my brain hurt.

I want to believe Radical Moderate has gone bipolar and decided to troll us with inanity and tripe.

But I think this is legit trolling

Warren88 - This is the first time I have seen some "solid" input regarding this topic from you. I did not lay-out a finance plan ( only stated that I did not want CHEAP , cheap in value w/ poor design ).

Really? This is the first time? Go back and look at all the other posts I directed at you in regards to light rail. Also look at post #1895 in this thread. This^^^ is not "solid" input. This is basically telling you what the last 75 pages said since you were too lazy to read and educate yourself on the matters at hand. I appreciate you being a "go-getter" and "gung-ho" about development in OKC, but you need to be realistic and by most of your posts, it does not seem that is your forte.

Rover was being nice, I know a man who is so stupid, he can't comprehend that he is stupid.

I want to believe Radical Moderate has gone bipolar and decided to troll us with inanity and tripe.

But I think this is legit trolling

You forget that Radical Moderate, even with his confusing asides and nuances, can properly structure a sentence.

Rover was being nice, I know a man who is so stupid, he can't comprehend that he is stupid.

So it's ironic that John Malcovich portrayed him, huh?

Well, you left Larry speachless. You win...

I had typed a few responses, such as "revisionist history much?" and the like but Steve did a better job at saying what I was wanting to say...:cool:

Had to laugh about the sausage making comment since Steve has used that analogy a few times when writing about the various MAPS...:lol2:

It's "Butchering the Steer," dammit.

I want to believe Radical Moderate has gone bipolar and decided to troll us with inanity and tripe.

But I think this is legit trolling

Know one really knows what to say to Radical Moderate because its just random historical factoids. So people just think to themselves "thats interesting" and moves on. lol

Damn straight, Tier2.

I want to believe Radical Moderate has gone bipolar and decided to troll us with inanity and tripe.

But I think this is legit trolling

I never "troll".
Still . . . I remain hopeful that "the message" is received.

i said all that i have/had to say about "The/A 'Better' Boulevard" some time ago.

Hopefully all of OUR ideas--especially "mine" =)--will be taken into account regarding the actual construction of a new roadway "thru" OKC.

I remain a Friend of a Better Boulevard although I rarely go "downtown".
It is one of the perks of living in The Village . . . that comes with a downside.

You forget that Radical Moderate, even with his confusing asides and nuances, can properly structure a sentence.

i never confuse asides and nuances. =)
(maybe a little weak on punctuation and style, admittedly . . .)

Sometimes, I think RadicalModerate is Shakespeare reincarnated addicted to crack standing on a pedestal rapping poetry like a president of a third world country on a closed CNN network. Yep that sums it up.

Sometimes, I think RadicalModerate is Shakespeare reincarnated addicted to crack standing on a pedestal rapping poetry like a president of a third world country on a closed CNN network. Yep that sums it up.

You just described Afroman.

Sometimes, I think RadicalModerate is Shakespeare reincarnated addicted to crack standing on a pedestal rapping poetry like a president of a third world country on a closed CNN network. Yep that sums it up.

And the crazy part is sometimes (a majority, I'm afraid) I understand him and enjoy it (not the understanding).

And the crazy part is sometimes (a majority, I'm afraid) I understand him and enjoy it (not the understanding).

Scares the hell out of me too....

Not to toot my own horn, but like every self-absorbed Millennial, I started a blog.

As a part of this endeavor, I have begun to document the boulevard project from my perspective:

Part 1: The Better Boulevard ? Part I, Market Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/the-better-boulevard-part-i-market-circle/)
Part 2: The Better Boulevard ? Part II, Thunder Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/thunder-circle/)
Part 3 “The Grid” is in process.

Not to toot my own horn, but like every self-absorbed Millennial, I started a blog.

As a part of this endeavor, I have begun to document the boulevard project from my perspective:

Part 1: The Better Boulevard ? Part I, Market Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/the-better-boulevard-part-i-market-circle/)
Part 2: The Better Boulevard ? Part II, Thunder Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/thunder-circle/)
Part 3 “The Grid” is in process.

Yay! I was hoping for some visual perspectives from you when I opened the thread up. Your work is awesome!

Not to toot my own horn, but like every self-absorbed Millennial, I started a blog.

As a part of this endeavor, I have begun to document the boulevard project from my perspective:

Part 1: The Better Boulevard ? Part I, Market Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/the-better-boulevard-part-i-market-circle/)
Part 2: The Better Boulevard ? Part II, Thunder Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/thunder-circle/)
Part 3 “The Grid” is in process.

Very impressive. I can only hope we get something half as nice as what you've designed.

Too bad we can't tag posters in posts. It'd be nice for OKVision4U to see this and realize that even if this did happen, it takes planning and time to do it. Can't just plop it down from thin air!

Anyone wanna update a schmuck in Ohio?



Too bad we can't tag posters in posts. It'd be nice for OKVision4U to see this and realize that even if this did happen, it takes planning and time to do it. Can't just plop it down from thin air!

Why not? We usually do (and it shows). There is NOTHING wrong with being pesky and causing delays in the interest of bettering downtown. This mentality of "build a road, any road, just do it now" - that isn't what got OKC this far.

ODOT and the Feds get to move on to the next project, and will. Once they have washed their hands of OKC Blvd, THEN and only then does get to live with it.

Anyone wanna update a schmuck in Ohio?




Why not? We usually do (and it shows). There is NOTHING wrong with being pesky and causing delays in the interest of bettering downtown. This mentality of "build a road, any road, just do it now" - that isn't what got OKC this far.

ODOT and the Feds get to move on to the next project, and will. Once they have washed their hands of OKC Blvd, THEN and only then does get to live with it.

I think you're misinterpreting what I wrote Spartan. Obviously you're not just out of town, but out of the loop on poster OKVision4U--who has no mentality with regard to the process of planning and implementation of such things.

I think you're misinterpreting what I wrote Spartan. Obviously you're not just out of town, but out of the loop on poster OKVision4U--who has no mentality with regard to the process of planning and implementation of such things.

That I am, but my post was meant to back you up not refute you..

That I am, but my post was meant to back you up not refute you..

Finally, lol...

Not to toot my own horn, but like every self-absorbed Millennial, I started a blog.

As a part of this endeavor, I have begun to document the boulevard project from my perspective:

Part 1: The Better Boulevard ? Part I, Market Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/the-better-boulevard-part-i-market-circle/)
Part 2: The Better Boulevard ? Part II, Thunder Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/thunder-circle/)
Part 3 “The Grid” is in process.

CDM, you are the bee's knees. Although I'm a wee bit too old to use that phrase, and therefore don't do so lightly, I feel confident it my assessment. I'm adding your blog to my Feedly post haste. I definitely look forward to viewing all of your forthcoming posts. Keep it up!

Not to toot my own horn, but like every self-absorbed Millennial, I started a blog.

As a part of this endeavor, I have begun to document the boulevard project from my perspective:

Part 1: The Better Boulevard ? Part I, Market Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/30/the-better-boulevard-part-i-market-circle/)
Part 2: The Better Boulevard ? Part II, Thunder Circle | Andrew Stewart (http://andrewkstewart.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/thunder-circle/)
Part 3 “The Grid” is in process.

Has there been any analysis to see what it would cost to buy the buildings on Reno between Western and Classen to make this happen? If I am looking at your rendings correctly, it looks like that is all that has to be removed to make this happen. The rest of it would already be included in the ROW for ODOT. I am curious what this would cost versus the bridge that has been brought up.

Has there been any analysis to see what it would cost to buy the buildings on Reno between Western and Classen to make this happen? If I am looking at your rendings correctly, it looks like that is all that has to be removed to make this happen. The rest of it would already be included in the ROW for ODOT. I am curious what this would cost versus the bridge that has been brought up.

The original scheme for the Market Circle would require a significant amount of ROW acquisition, no doubt. Alternate "A" as proposed by ODOT requires very little acquisition. They are showing a curved section of street joining Classen and Western between the McDonalds and Horn Trader.

I think you're misinterpreting what I wrote Spartan. Obviously you're not just out of town, but out of the loop on poster OKVision4U--who has no mentality with regard to the process of planning and implementation of such things.

Okok - This plan by CuatrodeMayo IS exactly what we need for the BLVD. I said this over a month ago. I understand the process in it's entirety, I just don't get to caught up in the "fog" of projects. It just doesn't take me (6) months to decide that I want this design. I'm all in. I'm looking at this from a 50,000 ft view and not in the City Halls of We Can't Do IT. These type(s) of high design / high value are accomplished all over the US and in short fashion too. This design by CautrodeMayo should be the STANDARD. He get's it too.

Okok...

Okok - This plan by CuatrodeMayo IS exactly what we need for the BLVD. I said this over a month ago. I understand the process in it's entirety, I just don't get to caught up in the "fog" of projects. It just doesn't take me (6) months to decide that I want this design. I'm all in. I'm looking at this from a 50,000 ft view and not in the City Halls of We Can't Do IT. These type(s) of high design / high value are accomplished all over the US and in short fashion too. This design by CautrodeMayo should be the STANDARD. He get's it too.

Okok...

Dude, we all would love what "May the Fourth" has designed. Unfortunately Oklahoma doesn't have a GDP like that of, say, the UAE, or princes made out of gold to formulate and pay for wonderfully designed projects like this. If OKC could find a way to pay for such a future investment, OKC would be beyond a city on the rise!

Dude, we all would love what "May the Fourth" has designed. Unfortunately Oklahoma doesn't have a GDP like that of, say, the UAE, or princes made out of gold to formulate and pay for wonderfully designed projects like this. If OKC could find a way to pay for such a future investment, OKC would be beyond a city on the rise!

Okok... I think the word you are looking for is Affordability. Here is the answer for you, ..."OKC can't afford to go small" in this case. We can't afford to put millions of dollars in a vital part of the city, and only get an "inferior product". ( Did I ever say "layered" in Gold, NO, I didn't. I said High Design / High Value ! ) ....a world of difference. This concept may be over your head, but it is exaclty what the city needs.

This concept may be over your head, but it is exaclty what the city needs.

You are never go to get through to people if you keep disrespecting them, unless, of course, that is what you are here for. Most people on this forum will ask if they don't understand something. You don't have to be an @$$ about it and assume something is over their head.

Now, regarding the Boulevard itself, if you want to have a say in it, you need to contact ODOT. You need to contact the mayoral council (not sure where you live, but whoever is over your ward would be the best). You need to contact Eric Wenger, Director of Public Works/City Engineer for OKC. You need to contact Gary Evans, the State Deputy Highway Director. You need to contact Bob Kemper who is on this forum and is the coordinator of Friends for a Better Boulevard.

Until then, all you are doing is sounding like a 12 year old wanting to go to Disney World and your parents are just ignoring you so you begin insulting them hoping that will make things happen.

Okok... I think the word you are looking for is Affordability. Here is the answer for you, ..."OKC can't afford to go small" in this case. We can't afford to put millions of dollars in a vital part of the city, and only get an "inferior product". ( Did I ever say "layered" in Gold, NO, I didn't. I said High Design / High Value ! ) ....a world of difference. This concept may be over your head, but it is exaclty what the city needs.

OKCisOK4me is a tall guy..........it sure isn't over his head.....lol

Okok... I think the word you are looking for is Affordability. Here is the answer for you, ..."OKC can't afford to go small" in this case. We can't afford to put millions of dollars in a vital part of the city, and only get an "inferior product". ( Did I ever say "layered" in Gold, NO, I didn't. I said High Design / High Value ! ) ....a world of difference. This concept may be over your head, but it is exaclty what the city needs.

Oh...so you're saying like build it like a movie set...where everything is technically cast in papier-mache and then painted on the outside to look like the real deal. Why then YES! Oh Kay Cee can afford anything!

PS...hope that doesn't go over your head cause two can play your silly insult game, lol...

You don't have to be an @$$ about it and assume something is over their head.


OKCisOK4me is a tall guy..........it sure isn't over his head.....lol

Bellaboo & warreng88, you two are too kind! In all sincerity, it's not hard to misinterpret what OKVision4U is trying to get out through the keyboard. Sometimes he's a puzzle like RadicalModerate (please don't be mad RM as I'm not trying to bring you down to his level). They're just both enigmas in their own right, lol.

You are never go to get through to people if you keep disrespecting them, unless, of course, that is what you are here for. Most people on this forum will ask if they don't understand something. You don't have to be an @$$ about it and assume something is over their head.

Now, regarding the Boulevard itself, if you want to have a say in it, you need to contact ODOT. You need to contact the mayoral council (not sure where you live, but whoever is over your ward would be the best). You need to contact Eric Wenger, Director of Public Works/City Engineer for OKC. You need to contact Gary Evans, the State Deputy Highway Director. You need to contact Bob Kemper who is on this forum and is the coordinator of Friends for a Better Boulevard.

Until then, all you are doing is sounding like a 12 year old wanting to go to Disney World and your parents are just ignoring you so you begin insulting them hoping that will make things happen.

NO. That must be a ( day - in -the - life ) at your house. ...and okokokok, I really don't need any manners tips from you ( your photo kinda speaks volumes for you. ) and refering to me as an A$$ ? it's always easy to type it when they are not standing next to you.

Now, Disney World, we have Lifetime Passes for my family. Everybody's happy here.

Okok - This plan by CuatrodeMayo IS exactly what we need for the BLVD. I said this over a month ago. I understand the process in it's entirety, I just don't get to caught up in the "fog" of projects. It just doesn't take me (6) months to decide that I want this design. I'm all in. I'm looking at this from a 50,000 ft view and not in the City Halls of We Can't Do IT. These type(s) of high design / high value are accomplished all over the US and in short fashion too. This design by CautrodeMayo should be the STANDARD. He get's it too.

Okok...

You are only about 18 months behind on this. The people that understand the process and the relevant issues have made a very effective case to the agencies that matter. You need to read a lot of federal regulations - start with NEPA - and a lot of history on this street, listen to and take in what many people here have tried to tell you, then listen a bit more, and maybe you will finally understand where the city is on this project. Just because you do not see anything does not mean nothing is happening to make this the best boulevard possible within the restraints of reasonable expectation. Temper the enthusiasm with some knowledge and you will be taken more seriously.

This guy has to be a plant.

I'd just like to see what he looks like.......

Who designed those renderings?????

Who designed those renderings?????

The guy who posted them.

I'd just like to see what he looks like.......

I think he's Jesse aka Thunder.

and refering to me as an A$$ ? it's always easy to type it when they are not standing next to you.

When you post stuff like this, I think it gives me every right to call you an @$$


This concept may be over your head, but it is exaclty what the city needs.


Buying something because it is less expensive may be more COSTLY than the price. ...that may have went over a few heads on this board though.


Teo... Is that all you have? ....No other position, statement, ideas ? ... just that? Really? Dig deep and try to find an original opinion regarding the BLVD. ...come on, ..(crickets ).


I'm gonna take that as a "no" you have no clue to what I am asking.


Of Sound Mind, I do realize who the audience is. Some people you just have to "help them on the train & find their seat" for them.


Hoya, you have no clue to the subject JFT and i were discussing. Please read first, then comment. Try again, because what you said was "well just not anywhere close to intelligent".


Hoya ...this is most likely way above your head. Do you even know what the ACOG is? This is the group that is putting the "NEXT" thing together and you have no idea. This is already in motion.... This is already moving forward. This is already "the path" that will be taken.

Now Hoyo, when you (and the other couch potatoes) get UP to Speed, then you can ring back in on this one. You just sit back and watch the parade in your sweatpants.


That is 100% truth. ( you may have very little understanding of what I'm speaking of on this subject, so i will move on with that part.)
...Changing the Dynamic is what that MAPS Initiaitives are ALL about.

...so you points is?????????


I'm at fault. I assumed all of you "could keep up". And, I know, I over-shot some of you... So, The big picture is this: Before you spend 'real money' like 10's ofmillions of dollars on an "average product" that might have "some ridership", you may want to re-think this ACOG.

Warreng88...you missed the first point, you got caught up on the "paycheck" joke and it "threw" you. This is what we call "staying on point".

The original scheme for the Market Circle would require a significant amount of ROW acquisition, no doubt. Alternate "A" as proposed by ODOT requires very little acquisition. They are showing a curved section of street joining Classen and Western between the McDonalds and Horn Trader.

Your better boulevard part II suggestions are simply amazing. It's the best idea I've seen yet. Very, very good work friend.

Your better boulevard part II suggestions are simply amazing. It's the best idea I've seen yet. Very, very good work friend.

It was Cuatro's ideas that really caught my attention and piqued my interest in the boulevard. The man has talent for sure.

Cuatro certainly has VISION... He see's what we can be. OKC should be leading the narrative.

:doh: Please go back to Page 1 of this thread and try again.....there is lots of "VISION" in the 1946 previous posts - with some notable exceptions. The "narrative" has absolutely nothing to do with the current status of the boulevard. The narrative was drastically altered for the better by the efforts of people like Cuatro and SW Aviator LAST YEAR. And now the review process is in progress - remember that NEPA thing I mentioned earlier?

Corp Don, ....are you familiar w/ the ACT in 69' ? ..please inform me in detail what you are asking? ...the role the Act has played on our lives, today 44 years later? ...the role all entities ( Federal /private and/or public ) must adhere to when these issues arise? ...what part of the ACT are you looking to understand? ...please let me know. And, please let me know how our local authority, if any, <governs> this LAW and what are the proper proticals / guidelines / procedures that must take place ( if & when ). ...the nature of this ACT was to provide Awareness for All individuals should enjoy a safe environment.

:doh: Please go back to Page 1 of this thread and try again.....there is lots of "VISION" in the 1946 previous posts - with some notable exceptions. The "narrative" has absolutely nothing to do with the current status of the boulevard. The narrative was drastically altered for the better by the efforts of people like Cuatro and SW Aviator LAST YEAR. And now the review process is in progress - remember that NEPA thing I mentioned earlier?

...the narrative for all cities that want to be the first in Economic Development & Urban Appeal for other Fortune 500 companies that want to call OKC home. That narrative CapDish.

:cheersmf: Ok then. Have a nice day. Bye bye now. *Ignore* - again.

:cheersmf: Ok then. Have a nice day. Bye bye now. *Ignore* - again.

I'm with you. I never put anyone on ignore but I sure know whose posts to totally skip over. LOL

Kinda noting "ok vision" hasn't refuted the suggestion that he is Thunder. lol

Kinda noting "ok vision" hasn't refuted the suggestion that he is Thunder. lol

Couldn't be. Thunder was actually a little bit fun and made sense occasionally.

The guy who posted them.CuatrodeMayo did? Well I tip my tip my hat to him, very good renderings!!! I would love to that happen.

Kinda noting "ok vision" hasn't refuted the suggestion that he is Thunder. lol

Got no idea on this.

Ok. Previous time. Similar tember.

Why Crumbling Urban Freeways Should be Torn Down And No New Ones Should be Built - Firefly Living (http://fireflyliving.com/2013/10/28/why-crumbling-urban-freeways-should-be-torn-down-and-no-new-ones-should-be-built/)

ODOT posted about the boulevard today on Twitter...

https://twitter.com/OKDOT/status/397816153734909952

How have they started work when they were awaiting a decision from the DOT?

Because the Far East and Far West portions of the plan were the same in each plan and not really up for debate. It is the central section which the FHWA is reviewing.

Because the Far East and Far West portions of the plan were the same in each plan and not really up for debate. It is the central section which the FHWA is reviewing.

Wasn't aware that the review wouldn't cover the connections as well. Thanks, catch.