This is what happens when you people elect morons who pass open carry making us the wild west. I just wanted to get that off of my chest. Gun control is a good thing.

Big Bad Ben was on top of this. Its terrible he got poo poo'ed...

So was the shooting in thunder alley or Bricktown?

Bricktown.

Whats really sad os that half those idiots didnt even go to watch the game, they was partying like they were at a club.

Half of those idiots? It was estimated at around 7,500 people, so that means you, SoonerBoy18, are implicating about 3,750 "idiots" as we're calling them, for being attracted to a cool event?

Sounds about right, surely it wouldn't have anything to do with the sharp rise in violent crime that OKC has seen over the last year.

The shooting was at Bass Pro, not Thunder Alley, I understand. I'm not sure you can blame the Thunder for this one.

This is what happens when you people elect morons who pass open carry making us the wild west. I just wanted to get that off of my chest. Gun control is a good thing.

This was totally NOT the problem here. Gangbangers are going to bring guns open-carry or not. But I agree, stupid law.

I stand by the principles that I and others articulated in this thread. The way Big Bad Ben expressed his concern was patently vile. "No tickets? Watch at home!" would be an extremely shameful rallying cry in response to this. I also feel it is less than even-keeled if you consider that I doubt the original poster has an issue with the thousands of white dudes with grills who don't have tickets but sit around (aka tailgating) outside OU/OSU football games.

What happened tonight is tragic. Very tragic. However this was not "called" by the original poster.

I was only hoping the lunatics would break glass and start trash can fires...I didn't think it would get this out of control...

Eight injured (could be more), one's in critical condition and another was a pregnant women with blunt force trauma.

Per twitter (take it for what its worth):

Problems began in Thunder Alley at about halftime when several known gang members showed up.

8 people are confirmed shot, but many are feared to be showing up in private hospitals.

Lots of people are still trapped in Bricktown.

It will be interesting to see if this is pinned on issues at Thunder Alley even though it was technically in Bricktown. It seems that there were no problems in either until tonight. One girl said when everyone was showing up at TA in their clubwear she knew there was going to be issues.

This has the potential to put a stain on two of OKC's biggest success stories (Bricktown and the embrace of the Thunder). People suck.

Per twitter (take it for what its worth):

Problems began in Thunder Alley at about halftime when several known gang members showed up.

8 people are confirmed shot, but many are feared to be showing up in private hospitals.

Lots of people are still trapped in Bricktown.

It will be interesting to see if this is pinned on issues at Thunder Alley even though it was technically in Bricktown. It seems that there were no problems in either until tonight. One girl said when everyone was showing up at TA in their clubwear she knew there was going to be issues.

How could anyone still be trapped in Bricktown? Unless they parked inside of a blocked off police corridor that doesn't make sense.

Half of those idiots? It was estimated at around 7,500 people, so that means you, SoonerBoy18, are implicating about 3,750 "idiots" as we're calling them, for being attracted to a cool event?

Sounds about right, surely it wouldn't have anything to do with the sharp rise in violent crime that OKC has seen over the last year.

There were lots of well behaved people, when I said idiots, I was talking about the people who did not go to watch the game, the people who was dressed like they were getting ready to go the club, they were taking things way too seriously, and not enjoying the night. It was fun at the end of the day.

I stand by the principles that I and others articulated in this thread. The way Big Bad Ben expressed his concern was patently vile. "No tickets? Watch at home!" would be an extremely shameful rallying cry in response to this. I also feel it is less than even-keeled if you consider that I doubt the original poster has an issue with the thousands of white dudes with grills who don't have tickets but sit around (aka tailgating) outside OU/OSU football games.

What happened tonight is tragic. Very tragic. However this was not "called" by the original poster.

well stated sir

Eight injured (could be more), one's in critical condition and another was a pregnant women with blunt force trauma.

Oh my god...

There were lots of well behaved people, when I said idiots, I was talking about the people who did not go to watch the game, the people who was dressed like they were getting ready to go the club, they were taking things way too seriously, and not enjoying the night. It was fun at the end of the day.

Just stop. You're speaking in vague generalities and I think it's past your bedtime anyway...



People suck.

Unfortunately this is the best-said sentiment right now..

Forgive my ignorance, but who is Big Bad Ben?

Forgive my ignorance, but who is Big Bad Ben?

The OP

The OP

Wow. Right in front of me.

Has anything been mentioned about the crowd being attracted by the jumbotron on the side of the arena?

When we left the game last night, it looked like every gangbabger in OKC was hanging out around the arena. None of them watching the game, but instead trying to intimidate people, and flashing gang signs.

Ive never seen it like this. My wife felt threatened and that pissed me off.

If that is the element showing the game outside is going to attract then the plug should be pulled.

No tickets? Watch at home!

http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=30119

seriously, no one can see a connection? I thought some people on here were a little brighter...

http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=30119

seriously, no one can see a connection? I thought some people on here were a little brighter...

Are you standing by that post in its entirety?

Evidently there was a gang problem, although my admitting that is still way too premature, plus we're talking about a city as a whole that has had a rising gang problem since 2010. It was my personal familiarity with the Thunder Alley revelry, although I was in the arena myself, that led me to defend the ability of people who can't afford $200 tickets to still unite and have a common team experience.

OCPD was worried about problems tonight based on stuff from after the game last Wednesday. The police knew a lot known gang members were around the area last Wednesday. They had put their full gang unit on duty tonight

How could anyone still be trapped in Bricktown? Unless they parked inside of a blocked off police corridor that doesn't make sense.

There is about a 4 or 5 block area cordoned off. Again just what I got off twitter so take it for what its worth. I just looked on traffic on Google Maps and it looks like it has died down considerably in the past 15 minutes around downtown.

In any event, I'm going to bed. I'm utterly depressed right now and will probably not be watching the local news for a few days. The hyperbole will be unbearable. Hopefully our city will move on from this, although I think fun stuff like Thunder Alley are probably done.

OCPD was worried about problems tonight based on stuff from after the game last Wednesday. The police knew a lot a known gang members were around the area last Wednesday. They had put their full gang unit on duty tonight

Wow. And this still happened.

I'm with adaniel. This is depressing as hell. However, I'm still optimistic that there will be a positive twist out of this. OKC usually does that, right now I just don't see it.

Wow. And this still happened.

I'm with adaniel. This is depressing as hell. However, I'm still optimistic that there will be a positive twist out of this. OKC usually does that, right now I just don't see it.

The Lakers are the NBA team that brings them out. That didn't help matters

I have no problem with people congregating outside the arena, especially for the playoffs. In fact, i almost went myself this evening. Its a great jolly feel good event, but when this chap posts that the environment around the arena on 5/17 makes his wife feel uncomfortable, it is telling. and then we see what happened tonight after the game.

Wow. I hadn't even thought of that, but very true.

Can anybody who has been to TA comment on how much "crowd control" is in place? Is it just a free for all? Are people BYOBing?

Shame this had to happen, there was lots of coverage on national TV commenting on how awesome it was that we had such a large crowd outside the arena. People often forget that our shiny/emerging downtown is quite close to high crime areas with known gang problems.

Good thing we won tonight! Can only imagine what would have happened if we lost...

Can't comment on TA, but things were definitely still a little hectic in Bricktown when I left about a half hour ago. I know that the parking lot near Fuzzy's and Sonic was cordoned off as a crime scene, so the people parked there at least are stuck there. The Fuzzy's employees are still stuck there, or at least a few of them. I didn't personally see anything really about the incident. I did see a whole mob of people rush Lower Bricktown trying to get away from it. Pretty scary sight.

Can anybody who has been to TA comment on how much "crowd control" is in place? Is it just a free for all? Are people BYOBing?

Shame this had to happen, there was lots of coverage on national TV commenting on how awesome it was that we had such a large crowd outside the arena. People often forget that our shiny/emerging downtown is quite close to high crime areas with known gang problems.

Good thing we won tonight! Can only imagine what would have happened if we lost...

If I understand right, this happened in the area around Harkins as people were leaving the arena.

If I understand right, this happened in the area around Harkins as people were leaving the arena.


Closer to the ballpark.

Odd it would happen there, as police are almost always posted up just south by the fountain & Fuzzy's. I guess if you are shooting somebody, you don't look for police first? I am guessing this was a teenager who pulled the trigger.

So, with the open carry law that just passed - if somebody shoots in a crowd, and a would-be hero without a uniform shoots back, how do the police know who is the bad guy?

Wow. I hadn't even thought of that, but very true.

The police and gang unit was hoping this series would get over sooner rather than later. You won't see the same sort of problems with San Antonio

Problem is that you have a lot of gangbangers that are old Laker fans. Throw in new Thunder ones. Then they all go downtown and start crossing paths with rival gangs and it doesn't take much

Well, I'm not disagreeing that there's a connection, or at least I made a connection... I'm on a trip out of town right now, and got the newsok text message alerting about the shooting and instantly got on my computer knowing that OKC Talk would be the go-to real time source, and this thread was the first thing I checked. Apparently most people didn't see this thread and had the discussion in the Thunder Victory thread. But I get what you're saying..

However I think you can also probably see what I was saying..

The police and gang unit was hoping this series would get over sooner rather than later. You won't see the same sort of problems with San Antonio

Problem is that you have a lot of gangbangers that are old Laker fans. Throw in new Thunder ones. Then they all go downtown and start crossing paths with rival gangs and it doesn't take much

With this being the case, I hope that the City and Police and perhaps even the Thunder and Bricktown can do a PR circuit on this point, that the Spurs won't bring the same issues as the Lakeshow, and we can get on with rooting on the team in OKC-style.

So, with the open carry law that just passed - if somebody shoots in a crowd, and a would-be hero without a uniform shoots back, how do the police know who is the bad guy?

More B.S. - How often (if ever) has that been an issue in Oklahoma all these years we've been a conceal and carry state?

...
So, with the open carry law that just passed - if somebody shoots in a crowd, and a would-be hero without a uniform shoots back, how do the police know who is the bad guy?

Ok, first things first. the new law is not in effect until November 1. As for now, you do realize, hopefully, concealed carry permits have been around for about 17 years. The only real difference in the new law coming is folks with permits will have the option to conceal carry or open carry.

Once it takes effect, the police will know the same way they do today. They will investigate shootings, piece together facts and solve disputed issues, or not, to the best of their abilities. Open carry, conceal carry, illegal carry ... none of these change the basic nature of a firearm discharge investigation.

This is what happens when you people elect morons who pass open carry making us the wild west. I just wanted to get that off of my chest. Gun control is a good thing.

This may be the most meaningless and ill informed passage you have ever written here, and given some of your rants over time, that is saying something. A not yet in effect open carry law had nothing to do with what happened in Bricktown. I'll speculate that the existing concealed carry law was not a factor either. I'll further speculate that illegal carry had quite a bit to do with matters. Time will tell, but I'm confident my speculation will end up being far more accurate than your silliness of trying to connect a not yet in place bit of legislation.

This may be the most meaningless and ill informed passage you have ever written here, and given some of your rants over time, that is saying something. A not yet in effect open carry law had nothing to do with what happened in Bricktown. I'll speculate that the existing concealed carry law was not a factor either. I'll further speculate that illegal carry had quite a bit to do with matters. Time will tell, but I'm confident my speculation will end up being far more accurate than your silliness of trying to connect a not yet in place bit of legislation.

:iagree:

We were in two different areas of TA last night, each distinct in crowd feel, but neither felt dangerous. I will say this, however: There seemed to be an uneasy tension as people mixed in tight, close quarters, as if one wrong look or accidental bump could quickly escallate. We turned to a young black guy and asked how many fouls Kobe had, and he turned away without responding as if we didn't have the right to talk to him. But in another area, a young white guy was wearing a Harden jersey and two days of stubble, and we were all laughing about his comparative lack of beard.

We didn't see any visible alcohol or drug consumption, and there was one report of a 40-minute wait for beer at a tent or trailer. Several events security people in yellow polo shirts were present, and a few uniformed police officers. Their presence will go way up for the next games.

Pete... That's a great picture and my new desktop

Someone just shot in Bricktown following the game. I don't have details as I'm just now hearing about it.

http://newsok.com/at-least-eight-people-shot-in-downtown-okc-after-thunder-game/article/3677634

Couple dumbass's trying to ruin it for everybody....

It's amazing how ignorant some people can be.

You claim Im racist, yet I never mention skin color. It was gang bangers, of all colors.

And, you want to say there it no correlation? Give me a break. You get that many people, a lot of them gangbangers, in a confined space, its going to happen.
Not to mention, very few police officers on scene.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
Whether you want to hear it or not, and as much as we may love the NBA, there is an element that is attracted to the game. Live in your little kumbaya PC world if you want, but the truth is the truth. There is a thug element that has been attracted by the jumbotron outside the arena.

Call me what you want, I dont care.....
Ask the 8 people who were shot, what they think about it.

Paranoid white couple sees black people and labels them gangbangers?

Show me any mention of race.

This is an idiot mentality.

... the truth is the truth. There is a thug element that has been attracted by the jumbotron outside the arena.

Call me what you want, I dont care.....
Ask the 8 people who were shot, what they think about it.

Uh, just curious. Were any of the eight shot in BRICKTOWN over by the Sonic building if I heard correct, even at the arena watching the game earlier? Were any of the arrested shooters seen at/near the jumbotron crowd? Or was there a problem in BRICKTOWN that involved gunfire, something which has happened before OKC had a team and after?

I know the shooting was sometime after the game let out but is there more tie-in to the game than that?

I don't know so I am asking.

BigBadBen - as right as you are, trying educate some of the people in this thread on this subject is a lost cause. They don't want to hear it.

Uh, just curious. Were any of the eight shot in BRICKTOWN over by the Sonic building if I heard correct, even at the arena watching the game earlier? Were any of the arrested shooters seen at/near the jumbotron crowd? Or was there a problem in BRICKTOWN that involved gunfire, something which has happened before OKC had a team and after?

I know the shooting was sometime after the game let out but is there more tie-in to the game than that?

I don't know so I am asking.



I assume you have been to a game. When it's over people walk to their cars.
The vast majority of people park in the Bricktown area.


Yes, the element is attracted to THUNDER ALLEY for the game, but to think they arent going to spill over into BRICKTOWN which is a block away, is kind of silly, especially since that's where the majority parks.

Since this sort of situation is entirely new to OKC, my bet is that law enforcement had plenty of presence in and directly around Thunder Alley, but not scattered throughout the areas where people parked.

This obviously needs to change.

You can't have 20,000 people walking to largely dark areas after midnight without security.

BigBadBen - as right as you are, trying educate some of the people in this thread on this subject is a lost cause. They don't want to hear it.

What subject might that be?

Since this sort of situation is entirely new to OKC, my bet is that law enforcement had plenty of presence in and directly around Thunder Alley, but not scattered throughout the areas where people parked.

This obviously needs to change.

You can't have 20,000 people walking to largely dark areas after midnight without security.

Are there enough OKC police to do the job?

Are there enough OKC police to do the job?

It may be a matter of where they are placed, rather than shear number.

Perhaps those that were at the game last night could comment.

1703

This was my view last night when it all went down. thats the intersection of reno and mickey mantle looking NE, with the ballpark in the background

Yes, the element is attracted to THUNDER ALLEY for the game, but to think they arent going to spill over into BRICKTOWN which is a block away, is kind of silly, especially since that's where the majority parks.

My question was, and is, what exists to suggest that the shooters on Reno near the Sonic and Joe Carter Ave. were KNOWN to be near the arena, at all, beyond simple supposition?

I'll presume you can recognize I'm not saying they were or they were not. I'm asking if anyone KNOWS at this time.
Maybe there is a connection, but assuming one, without more, is what would be silly.

Gunfire in Bricktown does happen, game night or not. This time there was a game on the same night, but that alone doesn't equate to a direct connection to the earlier activity at Thunder Alley.

Perhaps there was, but perhaps everyone involved would have also been involved if the game was in LA and BT was crowded with non-nba fans instead. That is what I am trying to determine if anyone knows. From the scant reports I've found thus far, this doesn't seem to be fan robbery gone overboard, or disgruntled fans overreacting to taunts. If that's there, then that's tragic. A shootout in our streets is tragic on its own, but learning the actual cause is certainly necessary. If it was BT centric and not Thunder Alley centric, it would seem to make a significant difference on where to place any increased law enforcement presence.

City Council meets this morning. Mick Cornett will have to go on record with something.

Talk about two ends of the PR spectrum...

One minute you have national TV focused on Oklahoma City as a fun, enthusiastic and supportive community...

The next you have shootings and people injured, including a pregnant woman.


Certainly the dark side of being the center of attention.

It may be a matter of where they are placed, rather than shear number.

Perhaps those that were at the game last night could comment.

Might need those security stations that go in the air like they have at the mall parking lots, assuming they don't already have them.

From ESPN.com:


O'Leary says the pregnant woman and six of the gunshot victims are in good condition Tuesday morning. One person is in critical condition.

Capt. Dexter Nelson said some scuffles broke out in a crowd of people walking east toward the Bricktown district, a popular nightlife area.

"Some girls got into it with a group of guys, and the guys opened fire on the women," Nelson said.

He said the shooting occurred at 11:35 p.m.

Real tough guys opening up on a bunch of girls.

And kicking a pregnant woman in the gut.


I'm sure it would make everyone feel better if they could find the people that did this.

And they better hope the police find them before somebody else does.

And they better hope the police find them before somebody else does.

I'm thinking it might be better is somebody else does, at least in these cowards case. Either way I'm sure there's going to be a lot more Police presence and crack downs on gangs, if it was a gang.