Ok, I was wrong about saying that patio dining is exclusive to a lower then high end class dining establishments. Though I still think the higher end you go on the scale, the less dining on a patio becomes desirable to the patrons.

I'd much rather eat inside Kd's after seeing these pictures and I consider myself more of a outside person in general. I don't have any problem with them having a patio, I have a problem with all the people talking down on this place for the SOLE REASON of them not having a patio that meets their unrealistic expectations.

I think people are excited about the restaurant's food and the interior, but think the exterior could be better, especially being one of the last large lots on the canal. 10 years ago, I don't think many people would have cared because we just wanted something, anything to go down there to give it more life. I do agree that the patio could interact better with the canal, much like Bourbon Street just a few hundred feet upstream, but it's not the end all, be all of this restaurant.

P.S. Don't go around throwing "ignorant" remarks towards me either Warren. Even I can have a heated conversation without taking a ridiculous insult at somebody.

Actually "ignorant" is not really an insult in my opinion. Ignorance just means lacking knowledge. We are all ignorant on specific topics. I am ignorant on many topics. Calling someone stupid is an insult. Calling someone ignorant means they lack knowledge on some specific topic. There are a lot of people who post on this board without knowledge on a topic and actually should be called out in that respect.

Actually "ignorant" is not really an insult in my opinion. Ignorance just means lacking knowledge. We are all ignorant on specific topics. I am ignorant on many topics. Calling someone stupid is an insult. Calling someone ignorant means they lack knowledge on some specific topic. There are a lot of people who post on this board without knowledge on a topic and actually should be called out in that respect.

Thanks for the clarification. I admit that I am completely ignorant on how weather works or architecture. I use this site a lot of times to help my ignorance.

The canal creates a a walkable median to and from places in a district. Just because its there doesn't mean it has to be the focus of the establishment.

Despite everything I've said, I'm glad there is a patio. But even after they put the patio in there was still constant bickering about it not being nice enough. Ugh.

Except most of Hogan's work is focused toward the surface parking rather than the canal as the median of access. I think the patio's importance in this restaurant is overemphasized simply because almost everything else Hogan has built down there would have been underwhelming even if built on Memorial Rd. People wanted something that interacts with the canal. KD's, while it doesn't have the perfect canal-side patio dining experience, is better than anything else Hogan has done.

Thanks for the clarification. I admit that I am completely ignorant on how weather works or architecture. I use this site a lot of times to help my ignorance.

I agree. I'm interested in urbanism, but pretty much everything I've learned about the topic has been from those with more knowledge than me on this site. I've been ignorant on many issues discussed in this forum, but I hope to keep learning more... :D

The canal creates a a walkable median to and from places in a district.

Actually, that's just what it has become in lower bricktown. That is not what was intended. Mainly because Hogan has largely ignored the canal, it is now just a median down there, instead of an integrated attraction. However, when the canal was pitched people were thinking more along the lines of this:

http://www.discoveramerica.com/~/media/a663b0d4359343919f84036470468e06/201%20texas%20riverwalk%20feature.jpg?w=1046&h=380&bg=ffffff

or this:

http://www.dnasoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DNA-Paternity-Testing-San-Antonio-TX.jpg


than a wall lined water ditch. Above Reno, it still can be and is getting closer, but it's taking a long time. Now, lower bricktown will never come close to that and that's a failure, imo, considering this was a public project to add value and attraction to an area and the developer ignored the very thing the community spent money on. It was not supposed to just be a median.

And the reality is that KD's place looks awesome and, after seeing the pictures of the inside, feels even more out of place than I thought it would. It's kind of an odd ball down there. But anyway, yes, any place built on the canal should NOT ignore the canal and if patios don't fit an establishment's business model, image, or target demographic, then it's simply a bad idea to put in on the canal. This is not like there was a waterway there that the city spruced up to facilitate development. It was completely dreamed up from scratch as a way to add value and to create an attraction. The truth is that by Hogan ignoring the canal the way he did, he has completely undermined the city's intent and vastly limited what the canal could do for the district.

KD's, while it doesn't have the perfect canal-side patio dining experience, is better than anything else Hogan has done.

Yep. Too bad it can't set a new trend down there.

Actually, that's just what it has become in lower bricktown. That is not what was intended. Mainly because Hogan has largely ignored the canal, it is now just a median down there, instead of an integrated attraction. However, when the canal was pitched people were thinking more along the lines of this:

http://www.discoveramerica.com/~/media/a663b0d4359343919f84036470468e06/201%20texas%20riverwalk%20feature.jpg?w=1046&h=380&bg=ffffff

or this:

http://www.dnasoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/DNA-Paternity-Testing-San-Antonio-TX.jpg


than a wall lined water ditch. Above Reno, it still can be and is getting closer, but it's taking a long time. Now, lower bricktown will never come close to that and that's a failure, imo, considering this was a public project to add value and attraction to an area and the developer ignored the very thing the community spent money on. It was not supposed to just be a median.

And the reality is that KD's place looks awesome and, after seeing the pictures of the inside, feels even more out of place than I thought it would. It's kind of an odd ball down there. But anyway, yes, any place built on the canal should NOT ignore the canal and if patios don't fit an establishment's business model, image, or target demographic, then it's simply a bad idea to put in on the canal. This is not like there was a waterway there that the city spruced up to facilitate development. It was completely dreamed up from scratch as a way to add value and to create an attraction. The truth is that by Hogan ignoring the canal the way he did, he has completely undermined the city's intent and vastly limited what the canal could do for the district.

Exactly this.

First off, I think Kd's looks amazing.

Second, I have a question. I'm from KC, and have only started keeping up with OKC developments for about the last year and a half after I knew I would end up living here after graduation. So I don't know any of the past details about these projects or what was initially envisioned back when they were proposed. But if the canal was initially proposed to mirror SA's riverwalk (more canal interaction) more so than what it has become, then why in the world did whoever is responsible for real estate development along the canal ever agree to any designs that didn't center around having a fantastic canal interaction? I have seen a lot of people blame the developers, like Hogan, but I would imagine if designs were continually shot down until they proposed one with superb canal interaction then this would have never become a problem.

But if the canal was initially proposed to mirror SA's riverwalk (more canal interaction) more so than what it has become, then why in the world did whoever is responsible for real estate development along the canal ever agree to any designs that didn't center around having a fantastic canal interaction?.

Oh boy.

It's a crazy mix of lawsuits, incompetent oversight, and financing woes. It really wasn't just one thing. But the city did in fact offer incentives to Bass Pro to build a store in lower bricktown. That's kind of indicative of the type of leadership we had at the time and it very much set the tone for what below Reno could ever be.

Here's kind of a summary from Lackmeyer:

Developer will seek OK of plan for site in Oklahoma City's Lower Bricktown: early promises compared to actual development | News OK (http://newsok.com/developer-will-seek-ok-of-plan-for-site-in-oklahoma-citys-lower-bricktown-early-promises-compared-to-actual-development/article/3710685)

Yep. Too bad it can't set a new trend down there.

It could if Hogan would just sell the thing to another developer who could develop some of the canal-side surface parking. There is more surface parking bumped up to the edge of the canal than there is development.


First off, I think Kd's looks amazing.

Second, I have a question. I'm from KC, and have only started keeping up with OKC developments for about the last year and a half after I knew I would end up living here after graduation. So I don't know any of the past details about these projects or what was initially envisioned back when they were proposed. But if the canal was initially proposed to mirror SA's riverwalk (more canal interaction) more so than what it has become, then why in the world did whoever is responsible for real estate development along the canal ever agree to any designs that didn't center around having a fantastic canal interaction? I have seen a lot of people blame the developers, like Hogan, but I would imagine if designs were continually shot down until they proposed one with superb canal interaction then this would have never become a problem.

OKC has historically had extremely low standards for what is considered acceptable development. In the early 2000s, this city was so desperate for any downtown development that they pretty much accepted whatever came its way. The result has been, like so many other OKC projects prior to 2010, the absolute bare minimum and cheapest thing the developer could get away with. Allowing Bass Pro to build a standard, suburban style big box with surface parking facing the canal set the precedent and then the dominoes just fell. Fortunately, the standards here are slowly starting to increase. Luckily, the city made Hogan design KD's with at least some canal interaction (I don't believe ANY was originally proposed, not even an entrance facing it). That's a sign that people are fed up with the status quo and are demanding better. Unfortunately what could have been the crown jewel of downtown OKC has already been squandered and its going to take somebody with deep pockets and major vision to salvage it.

Now, lower bricktown will never come close to that and that's a failure, imo, considering this was a public project to add value and attraction to an area and the developer ignored the very thing the community spent money on. It was not supposed to just be a median... But anyway, yes, any place built on the canal should NOT ignore the canal and if patios don't fit an establishment's business model, image, or target demographic, then it's simply a bad idea to put in on the canal. This is not like there was a waterway there that the city spruced up to facilitate development. It was completely dreamed up from scratch as a way to add value and to create an attraction. The truth is that by Hogan ignoring the canal the way he did, he has completely undermined the city's intent and vastly limited what the canal could do for the district.

Thank you for taking the time to explain why Lower Bricktown severely misused taxpayer money and missed an opportunity to create something special. Considering what it should have been, it is an absolute disaster that took quite a bit of incompetence to come to fruition.

Thank you for taking the time to explain why Lower Bricktown severely misused taxpayer money and missed an opportunity to create something special. Considering what it should have been, it is an absolute disaster that took quite a bit of incompetence to come to fruition.

I completely agree and I get angry every time I think about it. Especially considering the designer of Kansas City's Power and Light district ALMOST got to design Lower Bricktown. The P&L district is vastly superior to anything currently in OKC in my opinion. It isn't necessarily in terms of the venues in the district, but the sense of place it provides. What OKC is desperately lacking downtown is not specific amenities but acceptable placemaking.

Here is what was orignially promised by Hogan.

http://cdn2.newsok.biz/cache/r620-fa1b957d24c7aa2829891201a1f50add.jpg

Oh boy.

It's a crazy mix of lawsuits, incompetent oversight, and financing woes. It really wasn't just one thing. But the city did in fact offer incentives to Bass Pro to build a store in lower bricktown. That's kind of indicative of the type of leadership we had at the time and it very much set the tone for what below Reno could ever be.

Here's kind of a summary from Lackmeyer:

Developer will seek OK of plan for site in Oklahoma City's Lower Bricktown: early promises compared to actual development | News OK (http://newsok.com/developer-will-seek-ok-of-plan-for-site-in-oklahoma-citys-lower-bricktown-early-promises-compared-to-actual-development/article/3710685)

That's interesting. I didn't know the designer of P&L made a bid to develop Lower Bricktown. I would be curious to see what kind of conceptual renderings he would have come up with for the area. I like P&L a lot but overall it has a very small footprint, especially compared to Lower Bricktown. His design style would have to be much different.

I don't know if I would go as far as saying P&L is vastly superior to anything in OKC. P&L is great but my only complaint is that it feels more like a single establishment, because of how it is constructed and it's smaller overall footprint, rather than a bunch of individual establishments that make it up. I don't know how to really explain it, but I don't get a feeling of uniqueness from any of the bars/restaurants. It kinda feels like a big amusement park where certain areas have a different theme, but you still feel like you're in the same place. Plus, it's ridiculous the amount of times you have to pay cover! :icon_evil My buddies and I usually stick to Westport or Waldo when I'm back home and save P&L for special occasions (Big 12 tourny, concert, etc.) because of how expensive everything there is.

Hanging out in P&L during the Big 12 Basketball Tournament is by far the most fun I've ever had at P&L though. I would encourage anyone who hasn't been to check that out.

Sorry for getting off topic :p

That's interesting. I didn't know the designer of P&L made a bid to develop Lower Bricktown. I would be curious to see what kind of conceptual renderings he would have come up with for the area. I like P&L a lot but overall it has a very small footprint, especially compared to Lower Bricktown. His design style would have to be much different.

I don't know if I would go as far as saying P&L is vastly superior to anything in OKC. P&L is great but my only complaint is that it feels more like a single establishment, because of how it is constructed and it's smaller overall footprint, rather than a bunch of individual establishments that make it up. I don't know how to really explain it, but I don't get a feeling of uniqueness from any of the bars/restaurants. It kinda feels like a big amusement park where certain areas have a different theme, but you still feel like you're in the same place. Plus, it's ridiculous the amount of times you have to pay cover! :icon_evil My buddies and I usually stick to Westport or Waldo when I'm back home and save P&L for special occasions (Big 12 tourny, concert, etc.) because of how expensive everything there is.

Hanging out in P&L during the Big 12 Basketball Tournament is by far the most fun I've ever had at P&L though. I would encourage anyone who hasn't been to check that out.

Sorry for getting off topic :p

You are right that P&L lacks real uniqueness but its still cool nonetheless and better than Hogan's Lower Bricktown. It's very similar to 4th St Live in Louisville or even the Epicentre in Charlotte. I mean, what is Lower Bricktown other than Toby Keith's, now KD's, a suburban hotel, the Sonic HQ, Earl's BBQ, Cold Stone, the theater, and surface parking? That's hardly what I would call a "Bricktown Entertainment District." I think the Centennial is part of it and if so thats by far the best thing there. I would consider that an acceptable building but everything but that and KD's is absolute crap.

You are right that P&L lacks real uniqueness but its still cool nonetheless...

I agree that it is still a cool development. I also probably take it for granted a little because I'm so used to it, but then again I think everybody is guilty of the "grass is greener" mindset about where they're from.

Tried it.

Atmosphere: Amazing (once they figured out how to operate their audio system). The decor is top notch. Elegant and comfortable. There's a soaring lighted chamber with wines that serves as a focal point. The bar area features a huge rectangular setting that would make a great place to enjoy a drink and a game -- or even to dine at the bar.

Food: Mediocre. FROZEN FRENCH FRIES. The floor manager said they have frozen French fries, because, you know, "costs." Let's just say this: there isn't a lot on the menu you can't find at any other Hal Smith joint, chicken fry, okra, meatloaf, middling BBQ, etc. Make no mistake, to the person who said this would be "Maryland-style Southern Cuisine," well, no. NO CRABCAKES ON THE MENU! When I asked about the "Maryland style," I was promptly corrected that, no, this is "Southern style" (and they kept pushing the fried green tomatoes, for which I've never carried a torch).

To be charitable, there were a few things on the menu that were quite good: I had some oysters, which were delish. The collared greens were excellent. The Caribbean slaw they serve with the catfish was good. The honey fried chicken was quite good. Other things were blah. I was somewhat surprised they have very little seafood on the menu. They have trout and catfish on the main menu, and a cold shellfish appetizer on the "Baller" menu. They did have a snapper special tonight but it didn't excite.

It's a great space but the food is all Hal Smithed up. If you like that kind of thing, Enjoy!


Overall, it's a weird place. The atmosphere is very cool and energetic, with a fabulous selection of wines and drinks, and very friendly and accommodating service, but the food menu is fairly pedestrian and uninteresting. With the right menu, however, this could be one of OKC's best dining destinations.

Are you ####ing serious? Frozen fries? The manager told you that? I don't think he knows how cheap potatoes are and how easy it is to cut them yourself. He's actually wasting money buying them frozen.

I'm definitely gonna have to wait for more reviews before I hit up this place.

The have their menus up -- both main and 'baller' -- here:

Kd's Southern Cuisine (http://www.kdsbricktown.com/)

Follow up: I spoke to Joe, the GM (owner of Paseo Grill). I shared my thoughts and he said they are still tweaking the menu to get things going. It is a really fun place to go, but the food isn't particularly inspired. I trust that he will make changes to improve it. He's a great operator.

Joe is not the GM. Greg is the GM. Joe is Greg's boss. He's in charge of multiple restaurants.

Joe is not the GM. Greg is the GM. Joe is Greg's boss. He's in charge of multiple restaurants.

Thank you.

You're welcome, of course!

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A buddy of mine went there last night. KD was out in the front taking pictures with people. He said that there were a bunch of laker players there too. (Kobe was not there). He said that KD was super nice to him and did not act annoyed about taking pictures. Definitely cool to be dining next to KD and other NBA players!

I went tonight. Got to tour Kd's private dining room. Thunder and the Lakers team both are to be there after the game tonight. I questioned that the Lakers had another game in Charlotte tomorrow, but he said he was told that they were supposed to be over after the game.

He said Jordan Farmar and a few bench players were there last night.

Lakers left to fly out right after the game

Lakers left to fly out right after the game

I questioned the waiter about that, and he told me twice they were scheduled to come after the game.....My daughter in law went after the game, had her picture taken with Clay Bennet and mentioned she saw Kendrick Perkins talking to some folks.. She did not mention the Lakers at all, which leads me to believe they flew out right after the game.

Clay Bennett told her that he hoped that the fans would not get apathetic about the team winning so much. I think this was in reference that the crowd is leaving early on blowouts.....

I questioned the waiter about that, and he told me twice they were scheduled to come after the game.....My daughter in law went after the game, had her picture taken with Clay Bennet and mentioned she saw Kendrick Perkins talking to some folks.. She did not mention the Lakers at all, which leads me to believe they flew out right after the game.

Clay Bennett told her that he hoped that the fans would not get apathetic about the team winning so much. I think this was in reference that the crowd is leaving early on blowouts.....

This is the only thing I can't stand during TV broadcasts, especially national broadcasts. Thank God NBA games are at 7PM for home crowds. Any later and OKC would be in trouble.

***side note thinking is that most of the ticket holders in the lower bowl are "older" and get tired earlier so in games that are blowouts, they leave early so they can go home back to the suburbs and get to bed. That's why OKC needs the influx of affordable downtown living for singles and younger couples that can afford to live downtown and be downtown where everything happens. Spend money on season tickets instead of that car and the maintenance that comes along with it!***

Most of the empty seats I see at Thunder games are where the ultra-richies are sitting. Maybe Clay ought to have a talk to some of his friends about leaving early. :)

This is the only thing I can't stand during TV broadcasts, especially national broadcasts. Thank God NBA games are at 7PM for home crowds. Any later and OKC would be in trouble.

***side note thinking is that most of the ticket holders in the lower bowl are "older" and get tired earlier so in games that are blowouts, they leave early so they can go home back to the suburbs and get to bed. That's why OKC needs the influx of affordable downtown living for singles and younger couples that can afford to live downtown and be downtown where everything happens. Spend money on season tickets instead of that car and the maintenance that comes along with it!***

I think you have people who go to the games because they truly love basketball. Those people not only want to see KD, Russ and Serge play, but they want to see how the rookies and second team are progressing. They don't consider the last quarter "garbage time", even in a blowout. These are the people who will be in the arena even when the team has bad years. They're the core fans.

Then there are people who like watching the stars only and/or who are obsessed with traffic. They think they'll be in an end of OU football type traffic jam if they stay til the end. They aren't geniuses at math. Or they park in the $20 garage immediately adjacent to the Peake, which actually does take forever to empty for some reason.

It sure helps regardless to live downtown where you can walk home after the game.

Tried it.

Atmosphere: Amazing (once they figured out how to operate their audio system). The decor is top notch. Elegant and comfortable. There's a soaring lighted chamber with wines that serves as a focal point. The bar area features a huge rectangular setting that would make a great place to enjoy a drink and a game -- or even to dine at the bar.



Food: Mediocre. FROZEN FRENCH FRIES. The floor manager said they have frozen French fries, because, you know, "costs." Let's just say this: there isn't a lot on the menu you can't find at any other Hal Smith joint, chicken fry, okra, meatloaf, middling BBQ, etc. Make no mistake, to the person who said this would be "Maryland-style Southern Cuisine," well, no. NO CRABCAKES ON THE MENU! When I asked about the "Maryland style," I was promptly corrected that, no, this is "Southern style" (and they kept pushing the fried green tomatoes, for which I've never carried a torch).

To be charitable, there were a few things on the menu that were quite good: I had some oysters, which were delish. The collared greens were excellent. The Caribbean slaw they serve with the catfish was good. The honey fried chicken was quite good. Other things were blah. I was somewhat surprised they have very little seafood on the menu. They have trout and catfish on the main menu, and a cold shellfish appetizer on the "Baller" menu. They did have a snapper special tonight but it didn't excite.

It's a great space but the food is all Hal Smithed up. If you like that kind of thing, Enjoy!


Overall, it's a weird place. The atmosphere is very cool and energetic, with a fabulous selection of wines and drinks, and very friendly and accommodating service, but the food menu is fairly pedestrian and uninteresting. With the right menu, however, this could be one of OKC's best dining destinations.


Sounds like Charleston's to me.

Most of the empty seats I see at Thunder games are where the ultra-richies are sitting. Maybe Clay ought to have a talk to some of his friends about leaving early. :)

This.

Most of the empty seats I see at Thunder games are where the ultra-richies are sitting. Maybe Clay ought to have a talk to some of his friends about leaving early. :)


A shame they can't/don't hire seat sitters to come in and watch the last quarter in their place. I bet there are any number of folks, young and not so alike, who would be more than happy to come in and have great seats for even just a part of a game.

Back on topic though, the menu does look interesting. I need to get me up there soon.

Stepped in tonight just to see what the wait was like... 2.5 hours. Now that I know they are on open table I'll just book something far out and walk in and sit...

BTW approach from the canal level. It's a tad annoying to walk completely around the building if you come from the Earl's level. Would be nice if they added stairs right at that corner (where the ramp starts) down to the canal like they added stairs near the north side of the fountain a few years ago. It used to not make sense to not have stairs right there, but now I think it would makes sense to add them.

Tried to go yesterday, didn't realized until we got there that it wasn't open for lunch (yet?). It was mildly irritating, but at least there are other choices in the area and it wasn't a waste of a drive.

Tried to go yesterday, didn't realized until we got there that it wasn't open for lunch (yet?). It was mildly irritating, but at least there are other choices in the area and it wasn't a waste of a drive.

Hours for Sunday are 4-10PM

Not a very good pic, but this was just taken at Kd's -- that's Kendrick Perkins (he's the tall one):

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/perkins.jpg

I tried to get a reservation there to take my boys over Christmas and couldn't until January. Ah well, I'm glad its busy.

^

Wow, that's a good sign.

I bet you could still go into the bar without reservations.

^

Wow, that's a good sign.

I bet you could still go into the bar without reservations.

It's not that it's booked full until January. They are not taking reservations until January 1. I went last friday night, got there 15 minutes before they opened and got right in. It did fill up fast though, was probably 100 people in line by 4:00 o'clock.

It's not that it's booked full until January. They are not taking reservations until January 1. I went last friday night, got there 15 minutes before they opened and got right in. It did fill up fast though, was probably 100 people in line by 4:00 o'clock.

Ah, thanks!

Here's the menu:

The Starters TV Clips: A tour of Kevin Durant?s restaurant menu « The Starters | NBA.com (http://thestarters.nba.com/the-starters-tv-clips-a-tour-of-kevin-durants-restaurant-menu/)

Here's the menu:

The Starters TV Clips: A tour of Kevin Durant?s restaurant menu « The Starters | NBA.com (http://thestarters.nba.com/the-starters-tv-clips-a-tour-of-kevin-durants-restaurant-menu/)

Teo,
I know you know that's all just for fun from Starters...

Ha ha! I love The Starters. Great show.

Teo,
I know you know that's all just for fun from Starters...

Yeah..but it's funnier not to tell everyone up front.

Yeah..but it's funnier not to tell everyone up front.

You'd think...

Went there on Wednesday with some friends...I must say there meatloaf and potatoes are amazing! The staff is also really cool and its just a great atmosphere! Def going back!

What's the best item on the menu?

Collared greens were scrumptious.

What's the best item on the menu?

Chicken fry is huge and the same as Charlestons. The people next to us had a wedge salad and shrimp cocktail and it looked great.

I had the honey chicken and it was okay, good but different. Wife had the meatloaf. Is was okay, but hers is much better.

What kind of beer do they serve? Please more variety than Bud/Bud Light/Miller Lite/Coors Light!!

Went there for the first time last night. Pretty impressed overall. The place was packed. Oh, and they serve F5, but I think that's the only local brew.

Just ate there. Had the honey fried chicken with green beans and Mac and Cheese. Absolutely delicious! Some of the best food I've had and one of the best restaurants I've ever been too.

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Met some family here on Saturday. We sat at the bar and the bartender was really good. I cant remember his name but he was the only male working the bar. We ordered the quiche, shrimp and grits, chicken salad, and the chicken fried steak. All were really good except for the quiche which was a little burnt

Just a quick question to those who have been to KD's:

1. If you just want to sit at the bar and have a few drinks before a Thunder game or whatever can you or do you have to wait to be seated at the bar?

2. What kind of beer do they have and do they have more variety than the crappy Bud/Bud Light/Miller Lite/Coors Light crap?

Just a quick question to those who have been to KD's:

1. If you just want to sit at the bar and have a few drinks before a Thunder game or whatever can you or do you have to wait to be seated at the bar?

2. What kind of beer do they have and do they have more variety than the crappy Bud/Bud Light/Miller Lite/Coors Light crap?

1. While I have not been, I've been told that if that is what you want to do then you can do that.

2. IDK, but I bet they have quite this list ala Wes Welkers since that is also the Hal Smith Group and they carry domestic, imports & locals.

Just a quick question to those who have been to KD's:

1. If you just want to sit at the bar and have a few drinks before a Thunder game or whatever can you or do you have to wait to be seated at the bar?

2. What kind of beer do they have and do they have more variety than the crappy Bud/Bud Light/Miller Lite/Coors Light crap?

They have good beers, including F5. Haven't been there on a Thunder game night but went right after it opened and had no problem finding a seat at the bar.