Have these LED's been illuminated yet? Are there any pics of them? I looked at the Tower thread but gave up after about 50 pages or so...

Yeah, there has been low power light tests several times over the past few months on various parts of the building.

I don't really see how they can spell something out when all the LED's are lined up vertically in the "fins" sticking out from the cladding.

The 3 triangles at the top are supposed to be 'LED' lit.

I'm guessing you're pretty young. There are tons of teams who stand until the first basket is made. We did it when I was at OSU, which was before the Thunder got here, and they did it long before I was there.

Yes, I'm 18 & No I was talking about NBA teams not college

Yes, I'm 18 & No I was talking about NBA teams not college

Same thing really. Standing until the first basket is made is the same tradition no matter what level. Just because the Thunder do it doesn't mean we're the first fan base to do something.

all of you who are defending the Thunder are missing my point. I have been an NBA fan longer than probably most everyone on this forum, because I have lived in an NBA city longer. And I am speaking of basketball fundamentals, something the Thunder lacks - and is constantly mentioned as a fault by Charles Barkley and others - and probably the ONLY thing I actually agree with him.

I know teams have an off night, but the Thunder seems to be quite consistent at it. Win big for a two-three game stretch then lose horribly to a low hanging team that they shouldn't, and at home. ... And as I said, even most games we win - it is by luck of talent (hot hand of the night) because our lack of fundamentals (lack of rotation, turnovers, ball-hogging, irresponsible passing, NO-floor spacing, catch-and-jack with 20 seconds left on the playclock, and can't rebound for the life of me-if my name is not Durant) is the ONLY thing holding this team back.

But it goes to show, that OKC settles for complacency; 2nd best. Just like my opinion of all of you defending how the Thunder play. Why try for better, when 'look at what we have'. There is a reason teams like boston, LA, and Chicago get press and it isn't the same reason that MIAMI does - it is because teams in those cities strive to be the best AT BASKETBALL from a fundamental level. OKC and MIAMI have the most talent by far; and MIAMI is getting the press because of its market and the 'annointment of King James'.

My being an OU fan has nothing to do with my constructive take on the Thunder, I am as die hard for both but absolutely hate it when the Thunder consistently self destruct relying on their only offense (isolation to the hot hand), which teams have figured out how to snuff out (by simply watching Thunder film). This is why OKC loses to teams they shouldn't and it is frustrating to me because if they had a rotation like that of Boston, they would be unbeatable given their talent and youth.

We should have learned from last year, that we need fundamentals and if we combine that with our talent and youth; we are unbeatable. See the Dallas series from the WEstern Playoffs if you need a refresher. (Dallas beat OKC because of our lack of fundamentals, likely attributed to youth. Once they figured out how to beat OKC's isolation - it was lights out, the party's over, no matter who had the hot hand of the night.)

I'd like to see us learn from the past and develop offense and defense plays (emphasis on plural) to at least work the freaking clock once we discover our players aren't hitting their jumpers.

your grasp of "basketball fundamentals" is clearly lacking .... and living in an NBA city doesn't make you a fan ... i have been a huge nba fan my entire life sometimes living in or near nba cities (LA Boston DC Orlando Denver) and sometimes not ..

the Thunder have the second best O in the NBA Miami is first ... why? because we attack the rim and get to the line ....... we are in the top half on D ... what the thunder needs to improve on is effort on D we can be a top 5 D team (and are in the 4th Q fyi) but we don't always lock in early .....

do we turn it over a little to much ... of course .. but I (and Brooks) wants his team to be on the attack mode 100% of the time ... that is when the Thunder are at their best ..

all of you who are defending the Thunder are missing my point. I have been an NBA fan longer than probably most everyone on this forum, because I have lived in an NBA city longer. And I am speaking of basketball fundamentals, something the Thunder lacks - and is constantly mentioned as a fault by Charles Barkley and others - and probably the ONLY thing I actually agree with him.

I know teams have an off night, but the Thunder seems to be quite consistent at it. Win big for a two-three game stretch then lose horribly to a low hanging team that they shouldn't, and at home. ... And as I said, even most games we win - it is by luck of talent (hot hand of the night) because our lack of fundamentals (lack of rotation, turnovers, ball-hogging, irresponsible passing, NO-floor spacing, catch-and-jack with 20 seconds left on the playclock, and can't rebound for the life of me-if my name is not Durant) is the ONLY thing holding this team back.

But it goes to show, that OKC settles for complacency; 2nd best. Just like my opinion of all of you defending how the Thunder play. Why try for better, when 'look at what we have'. There is a reason teams like boston, LA, and Chicago get press and it isn't the same reason that MIAMI does - it is because teams in those cities strive to be the best AT BASKETBALL from a fundamental level. OKC and MIAMI have the most talent by far; and MIAMI is getting the press because of its market and the 'annointment of King James'.

My being an OU fan has nothing to do with my constructive take on the Thunder, I am as die hard for both but absolutely hate it when the Thunder consistently self destruct relying on their only offense (isolation to the hot hand), which teams have figured out how to snuff out (by simply watching Thunder film). This is why OKC loses to teams they shouldn't and it is frustrating to me because if they had a rotation like that of Boston, they would be unbeatable given their talent and youth.

We should have learned from last year, that we need fundamentals and if we combine that with our talent and youth; we are unbeatable. See the Dallas series from the WEstern Playoffs if you need a refresher. (Dallas beat OKC because of our lack of fundamentals, likely attributed to youth. Once they figured out how to beat OKC's isolation - it was lights out, the party's over, no matter who had the hot hand of the night.)

I'd like to see us learn from the past and develop offense and defense plays (emphasis on plural) to at least work the freaking clock once we discover our players aren't hitting their jumpers.

a bit off topic for the reason this thread was developed.

But it goes to show, that OKC settles for complacency; 2nd best.

Over reaction.

2nd best in NBA and currently best in the west only three years removed from a 23 win season. That's not complacency, it's the exact opposite. Appreciating that is not settling, it's 100% warranted.



Win big for a two-three game stretch then lose horribly to a low hanging team that they shouldn't, and at home.

This just isn't true. They have lost only twice at home and Portland is not a low hanging team.


Dallas beat OKC because of our lack of fundamentals, likely attributed to youth. Once they figured out how to beat OKC's isolation - it was lights out, the party's over, no matter who had the hot hand of the night.

Dallas must have forgotten what they figured out.


Why try for better, when 'look at what we have'.

Who do you think isn't trying for better? That's all the team and the organization talk about, despite being amongst the leagues top 2 teams most of the year. If you can't see that they HAVE gotten better, then it's a lost cause. As for the fans or "the city", if you think that appreciating one of the best turnarounds in sports history isn't trying for better, then you will never be satisfied save for a true sports miracle like the 2000 Sooners. Good luck with that.

The reality is that if and when they do stop improving, then some bellyaching might be justified. Or maybe if they plateau for years without a championship, Dallas Mavericks style, then it will make sense to start questioning what they need to do differently to get better. But they ARE getting better and it's too bad that it seems the number of bitchers are growing in a positive relationship to their success. Thankfully, they are still vastly outnumber at the actual games.

your grasp of "basketball fundamentals" is clearly lacking .... and living in an NBA city doesn't make you a fan ... i have been a huge nba fan my entire life sometimes living in or near nba cities (LA Boston DC Orlando Denver) and sometimes not ..

the Thunder have the second best O in the NBA Miami is first ... why? because we attack the rim and get to the line ....... we are in the top half on D ... what the thunder needs to improve on is effort on D we can be a top 5 D team (and are in the 4th Q fyi) but we don't always lock in early .....

do we turn it over a little to much ... of course .. but I (and Brooks) wants his team to be on the attack mode 100% of the time ... that is when the Thunder are at their best ..

Plus, our 4th Q and "crunch time" defense stats are either best or second best in NBA. Not time for panic yet. Our pups are growing up, but still are pubs. But, they are figuring it out. Understanding what they are today and what they are growing into does not imply we are happy with their current deficiencies, btw.

Oh Hot Rod, you'll never get it. And yes, you being an OU football fan does have everything to do with it. You're overreacting after one loss just like OU fans do. It's one game. Chill. We've lost TWO games this year at home. TWO.

Once again, we are missing two very important players for us right now. Unfortunately, we will only get one of those back this season. So we are not even at full strength. And our four best players are all under the age of 23. They would all be rookies (roughly)if they had played four years of college ball.

Hot Rod -

How long have you been a fan ? I have been following for a long long time, before Lew Alcindor was drafted into the league.

I hope they will do a "Orange out" during playoffs

I hope they will do a "Orange out" during playoffs

lets hope not

I hope they will do a "Orange out" during playoffs

I'm an OSU fan and I hope they don't. No "Orange Out", no "Crimson OUt"...blue, white, OR yellow ONLY.

You're overreacting after one loss just like OU fans do.

I'm an OU fan and I am not overreacting.

Also, if you're talking about college football, one loss IS a big deal. OSU fans should know that now. Where OU fans overreact is when they complain about "how" they won or by how much.

I'm an OU fan and I am not overreacting.

Also, if you're talking about college football, one loss IS a big deal. OSU fans should know that now. Where OU fans overreact is when they complain about "how" they won or by how much.

Not so much in basketball. Unless that game is played in March. :)

I'm an OSU fan and I hope they don't. No "Orange Out", no "Crimson OUt"...blue, white, OR yellow ONLY.


Why a Yellow out?.. Orange is a more prominent Thunder color than yellow.. i don't think he meant an ORANGE out because of OSU.. ( or I hope not I am an OSU fan and that is just silly )..
I think Blue and White are better choices.. actually had thought during a playoff they should do the sections alternation Blue then White.. would be a cool change

Navy blue out.

I'm an OU fan and I am not overreacting.

Also, if you're talking about college football, one loss IS a big deal. OSU fans should know that now. Where OU fans overreact is when they complain about "how" they won or by how much.

You know what I meant. After one loss, many OU fans are starting the "fire Stoops" campaign. Even though he is the best coach OU has ever had, IMO.

Navy blue out.

They did that last year against Denver in game 5 and Denver just happened to also be wearing their Navy Blue Alt Uniform.

Why a Yellow out?.. Orange is a more prominent Thunder color than yellow.. i don't think he meant an ORANGE out because of OSU.. ( or I hope not I am an OSU fan and that is just silly )..
I think Blue and White are better choices.. actually had thought during a playoff they should do the sections alternation Blue then White.. would be a cool change

I agree.

Permit just obtained by the Thunder to put a large banner on the Rock Island Plow building:

http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/sketches/picfile/2735/R020029575001qA.jpg

at least one side will look ok for a little while

which body did they get it from pete??

Bricktown Urban Design Committee.

I should have said it's on their agenda for April 11th.

Why a Yellow out?.. Orange is a more prominent Thunder color than yellow.. i don't think he meant an ORANGE out because of OSU.. ( or I hope not I am an OSU fan and that is just silly )..
I think Blue and White are better choices.. actually had thought during a playoff they should do the sections alternation Blue then White.. would be a cool change

Look at Thundercitizen's avatar...yellow looks good. Plus I have an all yellow Thunder hat. It works! ;-)

I cant wait til ESPN/TNT do their aerial coverage, the announcers will be subject to say positive things about our great community other than what they are known to say about us

What?! Why? Lol, Orange is one of the Thunder's colors, I assume they chose it because of the Oklahoma State Cowboys, so I think it would be nice to see a orange out at least once.

In a press conference the orange color that chosen was stated as the exact middle hue between OU's and OSU's colors.

Use of the color orange was explained as a color that reflects an Oklahoma sunset.

What?! Why? Lol, Orange is one of the Thunder's colors, I assume they chose it because of the Oklahoma State Cowboys, so I think it would be nice to see a orange out at least once.

Ok, well, just so you know, there's a little crimson in there too. I don't want to wear crimson in a crimson out if I were at a playoff game just as much as a Sooner wouldn't want to wear orange. That's why we have to use neutral colors so all of us can be happy.

Use of the color orange was explained as a color that reflects an Oklahoma sunset.

That was the yellow, which is why the yellow is only on one side of the logo

I wear blue to every game even if it is not a licensed Thunder product since usually I am coming straight from my office to the game. But I have noticed a lot of people, especially women wearing orange with the blue lately. Even KD's mom was wearing orange last night. I think it looks pretty sharp when the two colors are worn together and was thinking of buying myself an orange cardie to wear to tomorrow's game over my thunder shirt.

The only thing you can expect the 'Talking Heads' to ever be kind to is large media markets. To the national broadcasters we are the least important audience in the league for them to packaging their product for.

That is NOT true, I actually love when games are played on ABC, ESPN, and TNT because I want to here what people are hearing around the U.S. this season, they have not made negative remarks about city, You constantly here the announcers say we have some of the loudest, supportive fan bases in the league. The only negative thing they say about us is our half court offense, and you know Charles Barkely will find anything to say about us and they all be true. Plus Chris Webber is rooting for us :-)

I have seen one couple wear a orange thunder logo shirt at the Dallas game, it definitly made them stand out, I thought they looked awsome!

I'd like to see an "orange out" if the team is playing another team with a similar color scheme. For example, when the Thunder played Dallas last year, the hue of blue was almost identical to the Mavericks. Orange would have fit well in that instance. Now if they were to play the Spurs or Lakers this year, I say go with a "white out" or "blue out". Also, an orange out is cool in the sense that no other team does it, other than maybe the Phoenix Suns. But they probably won't even make the playoffs this year anyway. An "Orange Krush" vibe would be pretty cool!

Downtown looks very good in tonight's game against PDX on ESPN. They finally have updated shots of downtown, including the T/O Devon Tower.

Just saw that after-dark Bricktown Canal to Devon Tower pic. Very nice!

Just saw that after-dark Bricktown Canal to Devon Tower pic. Very nice!

Agreed. And you could tell it was very current. The trees are still in bloom.

The old crosstown was still populated, though.

Ugh! I wonder if the city approved and permitted painted mural billboardish advertising in the skyline now?!?


http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/8853/muralw.jpg

This is the 3rd year they've done this.......

It's the first time I've seen it. So it's temporary? How long? Just the one side or all the way around?

Still have to wonder if this is approved and permitted by the city. You can't stick giant advertising just anywhere...for good reason.

Okie dokie...calling my councilman Monday to complain. I'm sure we have lots of Budweiser fans in the city too but I don't want their advertising in the skyline either.

It's fabric. It's "advertising" our city team - the one that gets Oklahoma City all the free publicity on national television a bunch of times a year. The playoffs are watched all over the world, and we're lucky enough to be in them. I love seeing the sign go up every year, and all the rest as well.

I don't think this is a slippery slope that can easily be equated with insidious outdoor advertising. I think this is a simple matter of community pride.

I can understand that to a point, especially if this is a 30 day deal or something.

Now... what are they going to do when another promoter wants to hang a giant banner like, lets say the Zoo amp wants to advertise Headbangers Ball, and at the same time, Remington park is having some affair, while another casino is having a poker championship so on. We've sold out enough of our architecture as it is. Are we going to become like a lot of other cities and allow the giant building size event advertising and if not, how are they going to justify letting this privately owned entity do so and others not?

This was done through the Downtown Design Review Committee.

If anybody applied for the things you mentioned (which is incredibly unlikely) I'm sure they would turn them down.

And justify it how? In a lawsuit?

Maybe Budweiser could do it but they would have to find a building owner that would let them do it first.

And justify it how? In a lawsuit?

Do you really think one of the downtown building owners are going to apply for a permit for a huge banner to advertise a product?

There are standing regulations about this but the DDRC can make temporary exceptions, which they have done here.

I can't see how this represents any sort of real problem.

Was this moved from another thread thread? The approval of these billboards is the whole point of this thread. Im sure your complaint will be filed in the trashcan. Silly argument of the day award goes to you.

Maybe Budweiser could do it but they would have to find a building owner that would let them do it first.

Some of those buildings could probably generate more money in advertising than rent. When you can do both, why not?

Do you really think one of the downtown building owners are going to apply for a permit for a huge banner to advertise a product?

There are standing regulations about this but the DDRC can make temporary exceptions, which they have done here.

I can't see how this represents any sort of real problem.

Again. Why wouldn't they when the precedent has been set? What is going to be the legal argument that some sports events are okay and other sports events aren't? Or other events aren't? etc.

A building owner didn't do this?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_hVfE2qcyzXU/TWwhoXNWMpI/AAAAAAAACEw/NP2nvRmA9Aw/s800/building-advertising-powerhouse2.jpg

I know some people here haven't traveled but I think you have. You haven't seen this in other cities? BTW, I personally know some downtown building owners who would do that for a buck if they could.

They put all those Thunder banners up last year and I believe the year before without creating any problems.

I think everyone understands the difference between promotion a community-based sports team and advertising for a product.

How do you feel about the company names on the building DE?

Stand by and watch...I'll be back to remind you of this conversation.

How do you feel about the company names on the building DE?

It is a longstanding convention to allow a facility to advertise in some manner the business contained therein. But there are regulations in every municipality of any size about how much, size, shape, location, flashing lights, illumination externally, internally etc., as there should be.

Advertising for other businesses is a complete different subject.

Is this guy serious?

It's not advertising, just showing community pride.

Good Lord.

Are we serious?

a) The city is not paying for it.
b) This is between two private entities agreeing to put up a banner on private property -- with private dollars.
c) This is temporary -- probably for 2 months at most.
d) The banners do not have profanity, nudity, mocking, or anything else one could deem inappropriate in such a high visibility location of our city.
e) The banners support a theme of civic pride the entire state, region, city, and downtown share (for the most part)

Therefore . . .

f) The city approved the variance

And in the past . . .

g) we have not had any outcry the past 2 seasons these signs have been put up

And looking forward . . .

h) As long as a-e remain true, the city will continue to approve this and the public will be in general favor of this.

Okie dokie...calling my councilman Monday to complain. I'm sure we have lots of Budweiser fans in the city too but I don't want their advertising in the skyline either.

Sure he will get a good laugh from his co-workers after you hang up

Sure he will get a good laugh from his co-workers after you hang up

I'm going to put it in a letter and I'm going to remind him of the BS the city put me through while restricting me to an 8' tall sign of less than 100 sq ft and not internally lit (god forbid). One located in front of my building advertising the business inside.

I'll keep a copy to remind him again when the other advertising banners start going up, along with reminding the Kool Aid drinkers here of what they have deemed acceptable for the city skyline.

Nope. The Thunder isn't a business. Not at all...