If the rendering is posted, why would I click on the article?

I mean, I get both sides, but it actually is financially advantageous for NewsOK if we just click the link.

Most people will click the link because there are lots of details along with it. Maybe a few people won't click it, but many more do and they click on lots of other links to NewsOk. I promise you that this site has resulted in way more article hits for NewsOk. Besides that, this site has a moderator who is very respectful of giving credit to NewsOk and working with them. Few online sites are as respectful of old media as Pete.

Besides, how often does NewsOk take info from this site, and even the Lost Ogle, without proper credit. They look hypocritical when they don't show the same respect. We live an age where there's a place for old and new media, but a lot of old media people want to control news like its their birthright. That age died with Web 2.0.

Most people will click the link because there are lots of details along with it. Maybe a few people won't click it, but many more do and they click on lots of other links to NewsOk. I promise you that this site has resulted in way more article hits for NewsOk. Besides that, this site has a moderator who is very respectful of giving credit to NewsOkand working with them. Few online sites are as respectful of old media as Pete.

Like I said, I get that it is splitting hairs. But to be sure, if there are renderings in a thread, I rarely click on articles that also contain renderings, because most of the information is repeated in the thread fairly quickly, and I'm as interested in the commentary that accompanies the story as I am the story itself. I know there are plenty of other similar posters and lurkers.

Like I said, I get that it is splitting hairs. But to be sure, if there are renderings in a thread, I rarely click on articles that also contain renderings, because most of the information is repeated in the thread fairly quickly, and I'm as interested in the commentary that accompanies the story as I am the story itself. I know there are plenty of other similar posters and lurkers.

Like I said, what's the larger effect? Do you think there's a chance that a rendering might even make it more likely that people click the link to see what else is there?

Like I said, what's the larger effect? Do you think there's a chance that a rendering might even make it more likely that people click the link to see what else is there?

Possibly. Depends on a variety of factors. What I do know is that if everyone is talking about something that I cannot see, then I am 100% going to click the story.

Most people will click the link because there are lots of details along with it. Maybe a few people won't click it, but many more do and they click on lots of other links to NewsOk. I promise you that this site has resulted in way more article hits for NewsOk. Besides that, this site has a moderator who is very respectful of giving credit to NewsOk and working with them. Few online sites are as respectful of old media as Pete.

Besides, how often does NewsOk take info from this site, and even the Lost Ogle, without proper credit. They look hypocritical when they don't show the same respect. We live an age where there's a place for old and new media, but a lot of old media people want to control news like its their birthright. That age died with Web 2.0.

NewsOK has definitely stolen from The Lost Ogle.

NewsOK has definitely stolen from The Lost Ogle.

It's not just about stealing, but also learning information here and following leads. It's perfectly fine to do so, but some at NewsOK act like people only get info from them and not vice versa. I'm also not attacking or accusing Steve of anything. He's had a very good and productive relationship with the online community overall. It's unfortunate he is now going to change his unofficial OKC policy because he is unhappy with a few OKCTalk posters when a huge majority appreciate Steve and his work. Of course, it's his decision, but I think it will be, in the long run, to his own detriment.

It's not just about stealing, but also learning information here and following leads. It's perfectly fine to do so, but some at NewsOK act like people only get info from them and not vice versa. I'm also not attacking or accusing Steve of anything. He's had a very good and productive relationship with the online community overall. It's unfortunate he is now going to change his unofficial OKC policy because he is unhappy with a few OKCTalk posters when a huge majority appreciate Steve and his work. Of course, it's his decision, but I think it will be, in the long run, to his own detriment.

Steve picked some of those fights.

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Imagine that. Every thread goes off topic with people arguing about some irrelevant s**t.

Beautiful renderings, btw.

I just thought of this, but are those the final renderings or does it still have to go the review committee?

They are for informational purposes only. They will be presented at a later date for review.

Again, this is the same architect as Maywood Apartments Phase II, and I like what I see.

Strange it's only 4 levels: one of retail and three of apartments.

Most 4 stories or less are stick built. This is cheaper to build. Parking is separate and will be reinforced concrete.

Are they actually going to be called 'East Bricktown Apartments'? Or is that just a working title for this thread?

I'm hoping for a more interesting name.

It's definitely a working title.

So is the hotel off now? Interesting...

So is the hotel off now? Interesting...

Steve's article said they are reserving the corner of Sheridan & Perry for a hotel.

Oh I must have skimmed over that. But it's not in Phase 2?

Article wasn't clear on whether that would be in Phase II or separate. I suspect the latter, as it depends greatly on getting an operator or another developer.


BTW, we had a few people say they were going to the Bricktown Design Review Committee meeting this morning, so I hope someone took photos of not only this, but Chris Johnson's changes to the House of Bedlam project.

I like the design! Reminds me of a development in Seattle. Can't wait to see all these projects done!

Bricktown housing plan includes low-cost units, retail | News OK (http://newsok.com/bricktown-housing-plan-includes-low-cost-units-retail/article/3845998)

Bricktown housing plan includes low-cost units, retail | News OK (http://newsok.com/bricktown-housing-plan-includes-low-cost-units-retail/article/3845998)

I like all of what I read, but the most interesting part is that Hyatt is a potential operator for the hotel that is supposed to come with this.

I like all of what I read, but the most interesting part is that Hyatt is a potential operator for the hotel that is supposed to come with this.

Hyatt Place is a good guess as to the actual flag.

Oh good, another limited service suburban hotel brand. I was worried we might actually get a full service hotel some day.

Even the Aloft has through-the-wall HVAC.

I think we can give up hope for anything other than this type of development outside the CBD and even that may get compromised.

This is a Hyatt Place proposed in Baltimore this year, so they can and have been done right in urban areas. Gary Brooks seems to have his head on straight with his recent downtown developments, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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As has been stated elsewhere, there is tremendous flexibility in the design standards used by these chains.

And unfortunately, we now have about 10 new hotels in the urban core that have through-the-wall HVAC, so that seems to be the adopted standard. So much so, it's going to be hard to compete with those places if you spend millions more for centralized HVAC and other amenities.

Actually, it doesn't have to be millions more for central HVAC. In fact, when you factor in cost of electricity the actual monthly expenses, including amortizing the cost of the system, it can be less. The value of a hotel is based on revenue and expenses, so it is possible to actually increase the value of the property. Most architects and many engineers are not fully aware of options they have and go for the quick, easy and familiar.

Even the Aloft has through-the-wall HVAC.

I think we can give up hope for anything other than this type of development outside the CBD and even that may get compromised.

Yes, we set that precedent with the hotel next to the arena.

One of the things people tend to forget or ignore is the noise pollution of PTACs in the truly urban environment with lots of hard surfaces, adjacent buildings and the condenser noise of hundreds of units echoing through the street.

This is a Hyatt Place proposed in Baltimore this year, so they can and have been done right in urban areas. Gary Brooks seems to have his head on straight with his recent downtown developments, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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You are right. I have seen some good Hyatt Place projects in urban environments. It is up to the franchisee and developer. Here's hoping we get what it can be, not the least it can be.

Isn't there a Hyatt Place in the Omaha development update thread?

Even the Aloft has through-the-wall HVAC.

I think we can give up hope for anything other than this type of development outside the CBD and even that may get compromised.I thought Aloft had central air and heat????????

I thought Aloft had central air and heat????????

Nope, not in the guest rooms. Look at Will's most recent photos.

Nope, not in the guest rooms. Look at Will's most recent photos.That's really a bummer, I love Aloft, but that disappoints me. :(

I guess my hopes now are that if this new(mystery) hotel gets built with the convention center it will have central air and heat and maybe if we get any hotels in the C2S area, they will follow as well. Unless we get lucky and this developer decides to raise the standard. Also, can't the city make a code that bans new building being built with through the wall HVAC?

That's really a bummer, I love Aloft, but that disappoints me. :(

I guess my hopes now are that if this new(mystery) hotel gets built with the convention center it will have central air and heat and maybe if we get any hotels in the C2S area, they will follow as well. Unless we get lucky and this developer decides to raise the standard. Also, can't the city make a code that bans new building being built with through the wall HVAC?

Be honest, are you really that upset with it?

Be honest, are you really that upset with it?It might be hard to believe, but I really do want quality urban development here in OKC. I've really been considering looking at future living in downtown while I attend OU.

Also, I'm not furious, but I would love to see the standard, esp. something like this being raised.

Live in DT while attending OU? Alright, tell me where the money tree is planted.

It might be hard to believe, but I really do want quality urban development here in OKC. I've really been considering looking at future living in downtown while I attend OU.

Also, I'm not furious, but I would love to see the standard, esp. something like this being raised.

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Out of curiosity, why would they spend so much on development without central air? Not understanding the dynamics, that seems crazy to me.

Live in DT while attending OU? Alright, tell me where the money tree is planted.It's better than living in Edmond while attending OU, which is what I'll likely be doing for about a yea, possibly two.. My father is the money tree man, but I work with him at his dealership in Moore.

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I really like this though!


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I'll show my father that and see what he thinks. This is really cool!!!!

Out of curiosity, why would they spend so much on development without central air? Not understanding the dynamics, that seems crazy to me.Exactly, if you're spending 100 mil on something like this, what is an extra 2-3 million(is it even that???) more?

Be honest, are you really that upset with it?

You should be if you care about quality sustainable buildings. People get dismissive about things they know little or nothing about. This type of cheap mechanical system is a current and future problem area for the building and it is very inefficient. Life cost is actually more. It also diminishes the property value itself.

Rover, I'm just confused because whenever this forum goes into DEFCON 5 meltdown over a shoddy development, you're often the only one to come to the rescue and say "it's not thaaat bad and it's important to be pro-business blah blah blah."

And yet anything that is barely good enough to cause this forum to enthusiastically supportive (which doesn't take a lot given how adjusted we've become to schmaltsy design standards) usually gets the horns from you. Like the Holiday Inn Express, The Edge, and this.

I'm starting to think you're just playing devil's advocate :P

Here are pictures of the proposed development.

Looking west:
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Looking east:
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Thanks!

Take that at the meeting?

Rover, I'm just confused because whenever this forum goes into DEFCON 5 meltdown over a shoddy development, you're often the only one to come to the rescue and say "it's not thaaat bad and it's important to be pro-business blah blah blah."

And yet anything that is barely good enough to cause this forum to enthusiastically supportive (which doesn't take a lot given how adjusted we've become to schmaltsy design standards) usually gets the horns from you. Like the Holiday Inn Express, The Edge, and this.

I'm starting to think you're just playing devil's advocate :P

It isn't hard to figure out - he sells/installs/designs the central AC systems. If he was in the 'through the wall' business they would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Here are pictures of the proposed development.

Looking west:
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Looking east:
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I am impressed with everything I have seen from this development so far. Just lacking site plans (top-down view) and some realworld looking renderings. Looks good so far.

This isn't a big complaint but I would like a little better appearance for the parking garage section.

This isn't a big complaint but I would like a little better appearance for the parking garage section.

This was my first reaction. Like you said, not a big complaint though.

This isn't a big complaint but I would like a little better appearance for the parking garage section.

Agree. It stands out and detracts from an otherwise quality design. Remember, if you think it's ugly now, just wait how ugly it will look to you in five years.

Agree. It stands out and detracts from an otherwise quality design. Remember, if you think it's ugly now, just wait how ugly it will look to you in five years.

It's not going to look any uglier in 5 years than it does today. This isn't the first bland concrete parking garage. It looks the same as it does in it's 12,543,692 variants throughout the world.

I remember asking Steve in a chat back in March about what he thought the layout of this project was going to be and he thought it the hotel would anchor the NE corner of Sheridan and Russell M Perry, the retail would be east facing Sheridan with apartments over it and the parking garage(s) would be north of the development, hugging the train track. I wish this would have be the way the renderings were put out, but I guess they think they probably won't be able to fill the retail spaces on the far east end of BT where there is very little foot traffic.

Residents of The Hill will be looking directly into this parking garage.

I remember asking Steve in a chat back in March about what he thought the layout of this project was going to be and he thought it the hotel would anchor the NE corner of Sheridan and Russell M Perry, the retail would be east facing Sheridan with apartments over it and the parking garage(s) would be north of the development, hugging the train track. I wish this would have be the way the renderings were put out, but I guess they think they probably won't be able to fill the retail spaces on the far east end of BT where there is very little foot traffic.

I'm not understanding what you're envisioning. The hotel is still slated for the NE corner along Perry Ave. and the retail still faces Sheridan with the parking garage to the north...

Residents of The Hill will be looking directly into this parking garage.

i think it will be the back of the houses on that side of the hill

edit .. .just looked at the old site plan (i still think it is accurate) 8 units will directly overlook this garage .. and mabye a couple more will have an angled view ..

I'm not understand what you're envisioning. The hotel is still slated for the NE corner along Perry Ave. and the retail still faces Sheridan with the parking garage to the north...

The picture "Looking west" in post 478 made it look like the parking garage would be to the far east of the development. Maybe I am not looking at it right?

The picture "Looking west" in post 478 made it look like the parking garage would be to the far east of the development. Maybe I am not looking at it right?

It can't. The Bricktown fire station prevents the parking garage from going all the way east. I think the rendering was portraying it from Charlie Christian Ave. would cut this lot if it continued north. That's how I understood it anyway.

It can't. The Bricktown fire station prevents the parking garage from going all the way east.

Not necessarily. It could go right in front of the firestation all the way to the street and if that's what it was, I didn't like it.


I think the rendering was portraying it from Charlie Christian Ave. would cut this lot if it continued north. That's how I understood it anyway.

If that is the case, then I am happy with the layout.

Not necessarily. It could go right in front of the firestation all the way to the street and if that's what it was, I didn't like it.



If that is the case, then I am happy with the layout.

You're right, it could go all the way east, but it doesn't. It was just to Charlie Christian Ave. That SE corner is reserved for a future building.

Application filed today to be reviewed by design review on 8/14 (see article above for details).

Also, it appears this project will be officially known as "Bricktown Apartments".

Pretty creative name.

Good to see this continue to move forward.

Also, it appears this project will be officially known as "Bricktown Apartments".

That name makes it sound like a place you want to make sure you're packing heat.