I heard a rumor that Hideaway was looking to open a store on Broadway today...

Anyone know anything about this?

Yes.... it's a rumor, not a done deal

Sounds like Steve Mason to me. I've been wondering for a while what project he would pull off next. A Hideaway would help Coffee Slingers out.

The one-story "DeskPlus" building would be a great restaurant, IMO. Next to the former IAO.

Would love to see a Hideaway in the downtown area.

From what I understand, it's going into the former CD Warehouse location and they're hoping to have it open by next summer.

I also found out that one will be opening on Memorial Road near Mercy by next summer too.

This is awesome! They were one of the first restaurants in the Cherry Street District in Tulsa that caused that area to explode! This is awesome news for Broadway, Midtown, and downtown! They will bring the people that retail needs!

That's a possibility, but I don't think it's a done deal. As of a week ago, I'm told, they were still shopping. Also keep in mind this deal is, according to my sources, no further along than deals pursued for an ALDI grocery, a Braum's and a Dick Clark's Grandstand Cafe - all deals that never materialized. Let's hope this one happens - it would be great to see. But it's premature, from what I've heard, to start talking about it as if it's a real deal.

From what it sounds like to me, everything I've heard, the Salyers are intent on having a more traffic-intensive use for the CD Warehouse bldg, and Hideaway is intent on putting a REAL restaurant somewhere downtown, and leaning towards somewhere not in Bricktown.

I hate to say it, but I think it is best for downtown if this deal doesn't pan out and both sides do something on their own. I would love to see the Salyers put something else in that bldg if it means that Hideaway will go into a different bldg as well, if that makes sense. Joining forces will ensure a higher shot at success, but with the Salyers and Hideaway I'm not worried about something being successful.

Spartan, I'm not sure I'm following your logic on why it would be bad or less desirable for Hideaway to go into the CD Warehouse space.

Because something will probably go into that space, it will be an active project whatever happens from the Hideaway deal, and it looks like Hideaway really wants downtown, too.

Therefor, why fill one building, when you can fill two?

OK. Not sure I agree with the assumption on the space, but I see where you're coming from. I'm familiar with that space, and it's pretty deep ... seems like it would need a good stable restaurant, a sure thing, to make it work (CD Warehouse was a Salyer-owned placeholder)

Well surely Hideaway isn't the only restaurant concept that is looking to come downtown. Hideaway will make a deal happen somewhere, they have name recognition and clout.

And soon enough there will probably be more Hideaways than Pizza Huts in OKC.

Consider this Spartan - the CD Warehouse is a large deep space that will not be an easy launch for a start-up. It also has no parking lot. I disagree with your assumption this space will be an easy one to fill without a tenant like Hideaway.

That may be true, but with the right concept, like The Iguana for example, you'll be wishing you had a lot more space.

I would imagine that most of the storefronts on A-Alley are pretty deep, since the buildings are fairly uniform.

That space is HUGE compared to Iguana. But good for them for having the vision to put it somewhere other than Bricktown. Bricktown doesn't need Hideaway and Hideaway doesn't need Bricktown.

Is there still a Hideaway at the ballpark?

The Western Ave. Hideaway caters to OUHSC and Devon nearly every weekday, and because of that, I'm sure this thing is gonna go through. You can bet on it.

bluedog, the ballpark hideaway is only open during games... and Spartain, as for the Iguana, note that Steve Mason originally intended it to go into what is now the home of Rawhide. That building is comparable to the CD Warehouse space. Mason decided against it because he said it was too large for a restaurant - and that is how NW 9 was reborn... You have inadvertantly successfully argued for why it would be good for Hideaway would be the best candidate for the CD Warehouse space. You have been a worthy adversary in this debate. I call checkmate.

Wait, the Rawhide space is about 5,000 sf, right? To me The Iguana feels similar to that. If Steve Mason said it though, it must be true..so that's really interesting. The CD Warehouse bldg is 16,000 sf, so that's totally different. 16,000 is big enough that you could put a major retailer there, and if it's going to be too big for a startup concept, it's going to be too big for Hideaway, as well.

From the info I heard, this location is gonna be a little more of a "showpiece" for Hideaway.

I'm sure weekday lunches will be busy, and weekend nights...That will not be big enough, if you ask me.

From the info I heard, this location is gonna be a little more of a "showpiece" for Hideaway.


Ah, that could change things.

The Rawhide building is actually 6,450 - there is some space in the rear of the building not being leased by Rawhide that Mason is looking to lease out as either an office or residence. You're correct on the size of the CD Warehouse building. The home of the Iguana Grill is 3,257 square feet.
Hideaway's Western site is about 5,000 square feet, and its NW Exp site is 6,400 square feet.
So yes, you would need a major successful restaurant there or another anchor (which I can't imagine) to help a secondary tenant move in and be successful as well (all without surface parking).
At this point I'm calling the game done. The more I delve into this, it's difficult to imagine an empty Broadway site more in need of a retail tenant that has a built-in customer base and high odds at success. (There are different scenarios in play for the 1100 and 1101 N Broadway buildings and the Bentley Building is awaiting the right interest to win over Rand Elliott). Finally, consider this: what Automobile Alley is lacking is what the other districts got first - a really big, popular restaurant (Iguana is technically off Auto Alley, not on it)

I didn't know Iguana was so small, so that (and its extreme popularity) could explain why it takes an hour to get a table there. Since you're telling us exact square footage numbers of Hideaways stores, that alone tells me that there isn't any thing I could question that you haven't already looked at. So what I'm getting, and what's relevant to this topic, is that if Hideaway were to happen here as a signature location of sorts, there is still no way that Hideaway will take up ALL of this bldg--half sounds about right. That would leave 8,000 sf, which happens to be the average size of a GAP.

But then again, I've been fantasizing for a long time about a GAP downtown..:kicking: (I know it will probably never happen, but I view downtown's retail woes as a micro issue, not a macro issue)

Would love to see a Hideaway in the downtown area.

there is one currently in Bricktown, has been for years.

there is one currently in Bricktown, has been for years.

It's open funny hours and not at all when it's not baseball season, right?

It's open funny hours and not at all when it's not baseball season, right?

"Open during home games and special events"

So yeah, they're open for at least 72 days between April and September, every year--or is that not good enough for you people?

Metro, nail down a day when we can enjoy a couple of slices of Hideaway Pizza at a table in air conditioned bliss ...

It's open funny hours and not at all when it's not baseball season, right?


Metro, nail down a day when we can enjoy a couple of slices of Hideaway Pizza at a table in air conditioned bliss ...

They may not have tables, but you can order it weekdays. I've ordered it many times from the DT office and picked it up. No it's not a traditional Hideaway where you can sit down in air conditioned bliss, but you can order outside of "baseball hours" and that is my point.

Come on, it's not a restaurant friend!

They may not have tables, but you can order it weekdays. I've ordered it many times from the DT office and picked it up. No it's not a traditional Hideaway where you can sit down in air conditioned bliss, but you can order outside of "baseball hours" and that is my point.

Oh please. We have to pass the downtown location to get to a real Hideaway and not once have we ever considered stopping at the one in Bricktown.

The Ballpark location is only open as a vendor at the games. Their hours are only on gamedays and events from the time the gates open until the 7th inning. Not to mention, the menu is limited to cheese, pepperoni, supreme, and meat pizzas. AND they charge $20 for a cheese pizza, whereas the other locations sell them for like $13.

No, it's not just open for baseball games, as I've stated before, when working DT we've ordered it numerous times for lunch at the Bricktown Ballpark location, even in the winter! They just don't have dine-in seating.

Metro, that's cool - I'm not arguing this with you. But surely you can agree it would be great to have a full-fledged restaurant than just the walk-up stand.

That's like saying "They have a Krispy Kreme in that gas station, because you can get them out of that nasty plexi-glass container, and it says Krispy Kreme right on the box. Its just like being at a real Krpispy Kreme!" (not)

I didn't think they were open at all in the winter. You can't just call on a Tuesday in late November and get a pie, can you?

We have before at my office. Brian, that's a stretch relating it to Krispy Kreme's at a gas station, it's still the real deal and made the same way, you just can't dine in. I'm not arguing it wouldn't be nice to have a full fledged Hideaway downtown, especially in AutoAlley, heck I live within walking distance just blocks away.

Here's how we could have trimmed this down to two posts:
Metro: "I know it's not the same thing as a full fledged restaurant, but a lot of people don't realize they can order pizza throughout the year from the stand at the Bricktown Ballpark. I do so often with orders for my office and the pizzas are just as good as what you would get on Western Avenue. I am also very excited about the possibility of getting a full time restaurant downtown."
Everybody else: "That's cool Metro. That's good information to know and some of us will probably be checking that out."
But ah yes, it's OKC Talk.... and I really missed this place when it was down

Here's how we could have trimmed this down to two posts:
Metro: "I know it's not the same thing as a full fledged restaurant, but a lot of people don't realize they can order pizza throughout the year from the stand at the Bricktown Ballpark. I do so often with orders for my office and the pizzas are just as good as what you would get on Western Avenue. I am also very excited about the possibility of getting a full time restaurant downtown. BTW, I'm a mover and shaker on the urban scene and live and work downtown"
Everybody else: "That's cool Metro. That's good information to know and some of us will probably be checking that out."
But ah yes, it's OKC Talk.... and I really missed this place when it was down

Fix'd

as I've stated before, when working DT we've ordered it numerous times for lunch at the Bricktown Ballpark location, even in the winter!

How long ago? I just can't fathom that they'd have enough business to justify having workers there in the winter just waiting around for the one person downtown (you) that knows they're open to call and place an order...


I didn't know Iguana was so small,

Have you ever been inside?

How long ago? I just can't fathom that they'd have enough business to justify having workers there in the winter just waiting around for the one person downtown (you) that knows they're open to call and place an order...

Have you ever been inside?

Yes, but because of how it's broken down into the waiting area with 100 people crammed in, the bar area with another 100 people crammed in, then there's the linear dining room with maybe 20 tables stacked on top of each other, and then there's a dining area to the right of that which I've never been in..so it feels larger than 3,000 sf, but not by much.

I think mmm had the best post in this thread, too bad it must have gotten self-deleted.. :(
2nd place to cuatro.

Here's how we could have trimmed this down to two posts:
Metro: "I know it's not the same thing as a full fledged restaurant, but a lot of people don't realize they can order pizza throughout the year from the stand at the Bricktown Ballpark. I do so often with orders for my office and the pizzas are just as good as what you would get on Western Avenue. I am also very excited about the possibility of getting a full time restaurant downtown."
Everybody else: "That's cool Metro. That's good information to know and some of us will probably be checking that out."
But ah yes, it's OKC Talk.... and I really missed this place when it was down

But maybe if we're lucky, the Oklahoman will eventually edit all posts on OKCTalk, summarizing it down to a few posts. :doh:

Just tryin' to help... let's get together soon Metro. This electronic communication tends to warp perspective...

The latest news I've heard on this, is the lease has been signed, they hope to open in April, the kitchen and dining area will be approx. 7000 sq ft, and they could possibly boast "an indoor drive-thru".

indoor drive thru? really do we need such a thing, especially downtown? DT does not need anymore drive-thru's.

Interesting tidbit: historically drive-throughs were scattered throughout downtown, including the Magnolia Building on Broadway, Ramsey Tower at Park and Rob, Central Bank and more...

What is an "an indoor drive-thru?"

Indoor drive thru's sound great and all, but to do it right costs a fortune. Unless you do the ghetto c-store, beer barn type indoor drive thru that is typically a converted cinder block mechanic shop with door on either end. As for a traditional drive-thru - I'm all for that. I personally think the one place you need drive thru's is downtown. Or, at least up close reserved to-go parking like they have at Chili's. There are certainly more businesses I would patronize if I could simply drive thru on my way home from downtown.

Had a negative experience awhile back. The wife ordered our teenager an ice cream cake for his birthday from the Bricktown Marble Slab. She went to pick it up after leaving the YMCA at about 6:30pm and literally could not find any parking anywhere close. She almost gave up until she called the store and they agreed to walk it out to her car while she waited behind a parked car.

I'd probably consider using the drive thru at a downtown Hideaway to bring a good pizza home.

Interesting tidbit: historically drive-throughs were scattered throughout downtown, including the Magnolia Building on Broadway, Ramsey Tower at Park and Rob, Central Bank and more...

True, but doesn't mean it's urban or that we need more of them. We've made lots of mistakes with our downtown, no need repeating them.

I think the indoor drive-thru may be interesting, and I would be hesitant to come out against it just because it has been called a drive-thru. I think if they do that, then that will likely use up the rest of the building's square footage..which may be a shame, because a retail concept would thrive next to Hideaway, which would be a large foot traffic generator.

There will not be a "drive-through"

That was just one of the ideas that I had heard. I do know for a fact, the lease is complete, and it is supposed to open in April or May.

Other than that, I don't know any other specifics. Though I will keep this updated with any other design elements I hear.

The Memorial Rd. location is going to happen too, FWIW. After that, look for Yukon/Mustang, Moore, and MWC/Tinker.

I'm working on this story... slow going getting hold of right people.

That was just one of the ideas that I had heard. I do know for a fact, the lease is complete, and it is supposed to open in April or May.

Other than that, I don't know any other specifics. Though I will keep this updated with any other design elements I hear.

The Memorial Rd. location is going to happen too, FWIW. After that, look for Yukon/Mustang, Moore, and MWC/Tinker.

the lease has not yet been signed.

The Memorial Rd. location is going to happen too, FWIW. After that, look for Yukon/Mustang, Moore, and MWC/Tinker.

The whole world, right?

Any official news with Hideaway opening in Auto Alley?

Not a done deal (I was initially told otherwise).

Thanks Steve.

Let's hope this deal gets done. Auto Alley is a perfect fit for Hideaway and vice versa too.

I've eaten at Hideaway (western location) more in the last couple of weeks since this rumor broke then I have in years. May eat there today too.

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