Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure Bob Howard no longer owns the Bob Howard dealerships (sold to Group 1). He does, however, own Mercedes-Benz of OKC.
You are correct sir, the bob howard dealerships were sold to group 1, except for MB.

1742

Almost done

Nice, did you take that from your table at Louie's? :cool:

I believe that covering on the balconies is just protective, as the renderings have show them to be be clear:


http://www.okctalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1742&d=1338245028

http://midtownr.com/propImages/000142.jpg

I really hope they can put a coffee shop in the street level space

Yes sir I did! Turkey Chicken salad...

Sorry about the project 180 banner. I swear my phones browser hates me.

People were moving in today.

I really hope they can put a coffee shop in the street level space

Elemental and Coffee Slingers are so close that I would hate for them to have too much competition. So, I'm hoping for New York Bagels. I've been hoping they'll put a restaurant in Midtown, downtown, Bricktown or Deep Deuce for a long time. Or, the breakfast restaurant I've been wishing for as well.

Please explain how too much competition for coffee slingers would be a bad thing.

Moved in! But lacking furniture. :/ I'm the unit above the bar and grill with the guy talking on his cell phone (according to the renderings). Do you really expect them to put clear glass in on the balconies? The property manager hasn't told us much about any of the things that seem unfinished, I assume the baclonies are still being painted black however the steel coverings on the baclonies seem permanent as they have cutouts on the sides of them for electrical cords (the wall outlets are just outside the enclosure). I would love clear glass coverings!

Jeff, please post some photos of the interior, even if it's without furnishings.

It sounds like the balconies have been modified from that original rendering.

Ill upload them when I get home tonight. In the Raw just felt the post game rush!

I would also love to see interior pictures.

Please explain how too much competition for coffee slingers would be a bad thing.

Is this about personality or coffee? They make the best latte in town, IMO. They have Prairie Thunder food. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. Elemental Coffee is great too. And they're both walking distance from 1212.

I do not want to get too side tracked, but I think the more competition the better. That is why some of these projects are so great, because they are trying to out do one another.

Even in the case of midtown and the midtown renaissance group that is responsible for most all renovations, so see the architects competing against one another-Krittenbrink vs Fitzsimmons and who can come up with the better plan/design.

I agree no more coffee shops .. I think of Prairie Thunder as a coffee shop as well.

There's Beatnix cafe, too.

(Or are they much of a coffee place?)

And don't forget there is a Starbucks on the south side of St Anthony's.

I think we're still a little below-par when it comes to inner city coffee shop offerings, but upon second glance, it is better than people realize so I'll retract my suggestion that 1212 needs a coffee shop.

However Bricktown/Deep Deuce seriously need a coffee shop. Uncommon Grounds was great. Starbucks does not a coffee shop make. Have Elemental's hours been normalized yet? What downtown seriously needs, for one of these coffee shops to take a heavier role in neighborhood growth, is for one of them to stay open till 2am like Shades of Brown in Tulsa.

Cocoa Flow in Bricktown has great coffee and wonderful chocolates and sweets as well. They've got crepes as well as a variety of options.

I'll admit I've never had a hankering to pay Cocoa Flow a visit. But I grow tired of hearing, "X business serves coffee," as if it is a coffee shop. I will pledge to go pay Cocoa Flow a visit tomorrow morning and I will report back on whether I think it suffices as a potential neighborhood gathering spot, should Bricktown ever have a residential population.

I do love crepes.

I'm sure that Cocoa Flow would be happy to have your blessing.

The Vagabond is a cool concept in Wichita. It's a coffee shop/bar that opens early for coffee drinkers and stays open until 2am for drinkers.

I'd like a Chipotle type offering.

I'm sure that Cocoa Flow would be happy to have your blessing.

Apparently not. Closed today. I was very excited about trying them as well.

Apparently not. Closed today. I was very excited about trying them as well.

They keep atypical hours. I tried to go by several times at different times of the day and they were closed. I've never actually seen it open.

Should change their name to Cocoa No Flow.

Decks have been painted black now.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PFCCo9VhrKs/T9KoGiX1UWI/AAAAAAAABhk/GxmjtNummKw/s1600/2012-06-08+19.34.02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LSwZqtwt_rE/T9KoENW-tMI/AAAAAAAABhU/xi4SZLY3Nqc/s1600/2012-06-08+18.52.14.jpg

Looks better.

From today.

Those silver panels on the balconies are permanent and actually stainless steel.

And interestingly, the retail space on the ground floor goes all the way through from front to back. The area in the back (east end) is a few feet higher, though. Should make for some interesting configurations.


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/121261412a.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/121261412b.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/121261412c.jpg

Those silver panels really pop. I was worried that the exterior cladding would be dull.

drove by today on my lunch break, and wow, this project looks great. This building doesn't look renovated at all, it looks like new construction, and very modern, one of the best Midtown renovation projects I have seen so far, good deal. It also really compliments Louie's across the street. Someone should take some new updated pics of this building because the finished product looks great!

Ant tenants lined up for the retail?

I just went back to the first page of this thread because I honestly could not remember what this building looked like before the renovation, it is just so different. And such an improvement. Now I am getting a little greedy and can't wait for the construction on the Edge to start. Last Tuesday, after the concert in the Myriad Gardens, my family and I went to eat at Louies since they are open late for dinner. The patio was mostly full at 10:30. And we could see lights on at the 1212. What a difference a few years make. I just love how this area is turning into a great neighborhood.

Took these on the 20th. Completely forgot to post them. My bad.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8431/7612833690_043e0f7889.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612833690/)
1212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612833690/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7612831720_4bfcf0728f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612831720/)
1212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612831720/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8165/7612841708_8c15b68995.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612841708/)
1212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612841708/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8163/7612838592_772d457fa0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612838592/)
Midtown (Louie's Cafe) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612838592/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8007/7612837776_ee1ec26386.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612837776/)
1212 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612837776/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7612869172_00109c0b95.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612869172/)
N. Walker (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612869172/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8018/7612868272_824b4ae6c8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612868272/)
N. Walker (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612868272/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8155/7612867482_305db202f4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612867482/)
1212 N. Walker (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbridgesokc/7612867482/) by Matthew Bridges (http://www.flickr.com/people/mattbridgesokc/), on Flickr

Here are some pics of our interior. 255625572558

The bedroom is a mess right now, but I'll post some later!

Nice Jeff!

Such a great spot that is only going to get better.

I'd be careful publicizing that grill on your balcony. I'm pretty sure they're illegal on DT balconys and the fire department cracks down on it pretty good.

I'd be careful publicizing that grill on your balcony. I'm pretty sure they're illegal on DT balconys and the fire department cracks down on it pretty good.

link to them being illegal on DT balconys? i do know that most apt owners don't allow them for insurances purposes

There was a big uproar over it last year, I'll try to dig up the info tomorrow. I've personally had the fire department come give citations to condo owners in my complex.

There was a big uproar over it last year, I'll try to dig up the info tomorrow. I've personally had the fire department come give citations to condo owners in my complex.

Sound like an awesome neighbor.

There's probably a broad city ordinance that says something along the lines that the fire marshal can declare grills to be unsafe at a apartment or condo. I know for a fact their illegal at my apartments because a building caught fire back in July because of a patio grill and the fire marshal sent a letter to everyone saying that if the grills were not removed immediately it would be a $300 fine. Never seen so many grills disappear so fast.. Lol

I did a search of the municipal codes. I'm not sure it was comprehensive but I couldn't find anything like that prohibition.

People need to understand that urban living isn't the same as living in the suburbs with their patio and yard. There is a responsibility to the other tenants and fire safety is one of them. Lighting open fires in a semi-enclosed area within a few feet of the structure is generally an unsafe thing to do. The first time some idiot sprays lighter fluid on the coals and it flashes and someone is killed in a building fire then it will be not only unwise, but tragic. Whether it is technically legal or not, it still isn't smart. People need to learn to live as urbanites. It isn't just about location.

People need to understand that urban living isn't the same as living in the suburbs with their patio and yard. There is a responsibility to the other tenants and fire safety is one of them. Lighting open fires in a semi-enclosed area within a few feet of the structure is generally an unsafe thing to do. The first time some idiot sprays lighter fluid on the coals and it flashes and someone is killed in a building fire then it will be not only unwise, but tragic. Whether it is technically legal or not, it still isn't smart. People need to learn to live as urbanites. It isn't just about location.

BRAVO:iagree:

So everyone here has a problem with apartments and patio grills?

So everyone here has a problem with apartments and patio grills?

No.

I don't think it's a big deal, especially if it's gas.

People need to understand that urban living isn't the same as living in the suburbs with their patio and yard. There is a responsibility to the other tenants and fire safety is one of them. Lighting open fires in a semi-enclosed area within a few feet of the structure is generally an unsafe thing to do. The first time some idiot sprays lighter fluid on the coals and it flashes and someone is killed in a building fire then it will be not only unwise, but tragic. Whether it is technically legal or not, it still isn't smart. People need to learn to live as urbanites. It isn't just about location.

If we are talking about charcoal grills, then I agree. But the grill in question here is a modern propane grill. It's a glorified gas range and relatively safe. Especially in this case since the balcony and exterior of the building are non-combustable construction. I'm not seeing the big deal here.

Non issue gets sensationalized...

If we are talking about charcoal grills, then I agree. But the grill in question here is a modern propane grill. It's a glorified gas range and relatively safe. Especially in this case since the balcony and exterior of the building are non-combustable construction. I'm not seeing the big deal here.

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Non issue gets sensationalized...

Safety is always unimportant until something bad happens.

A gas grill on a concrete patio seems less dangerous than a candle burning on a dining room table.

A gas grill on a concrete patio seems less dangerous than a candle burning on a dining room table.

Many jurisdictions prohibit charcoal grilles within 10 feet of the structure in multi housing. Some also restrict gas or any kind of canister holding flammable liquids. I don't know of any that restrict candles. Many facilities restrict the use on balconies because of the insurance consequences and liabilities arising from fires. Individual building leases should be checked. If the insurer has no problem with the risk, generally the owner/manager doesn't. But, to summarily dismiss the potential for danger is reckless or worse.

We should ban hair dryers and not rent to families with children. They cause way more fires.

Fires happen. It really sucks, and they can be prevented with maintenance and common sense.

If only history wasn't full of entire cities that burned down....

Don't many urban developments provide a common grilling area?

Sound like an awesome neighbor.


Wait, so the fire department cracks down on them pretty good or you do? And are you pretty sure they are illegal or are they factually illegal, ergo citations were actually issued.

One thing I am certain, I'm confused.

Haha, the wording was confusing. NO, I DID NOT call the city or the fire department, THEY came to my DT complex and issued citations/warnings. They DO NOT mess around with fire codes DT. I didn't have a grill, but wanted one, but several of my neighbors were cited and had to remove. We always had a common area grill per code. I remember this being a big deal publicly a year or maybe two ago, and Councilwoman Meg Salyer spoke out on the issue. I'll dig up the info when I get a chance.

If only history wasn't full of entire cities that burned down....

Don't many urban developments provide a common grilling area?

Yes

From the Oklahoman:

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-could-restrict-whats-kept-on-downtown-balconies/article/3677242

I'm pretty sure this passed.

And from KFOR in July, there you have it folks, not in a multi-unit complex, except common grilling area approved by code.

http://kfor.com/2012/07/16/firefighters-warn-apartments-about-grills/

Grease fires can be a problem if someone isn't careful. Had jalapeno burgers the other day and that fire was burning like crazy. lol