So the "mystery" tenant is still a mystery. But we're getting a building. Yay.

Hmmm...

Wow. That still leaves OGE for another tower then.

I'm getting a sinking feeling that Stage Center gets demo'd then the deal falls through.

I'm getting a sinking feeling that Stage Center gets demo'd then the deal falls through.

In the article, the developer said he wouldn't pursue demo unless there's a tenant agreement signed. Still, this is pretty weird.

..............okaaaaayy......so......340' minimum height..............okay. Probably grows to 30-40 floors. Better to scale up than down. Especially initially.

How about something like this?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2sBmtiVwifo/SySTlYu-GqI/AAAAAAAAA7Q/IWohFjSAXQQ/Urban-Forest.jpgThat poor dishwasher guy is NOT getting paid enough.

Downtown Oklahoma City to get new tower | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/downtown-oklahoma-city-to-get-new-tower/article/3866102)

Anyone up for posting Steve's article for a 4th time? LOL

Good new is always worth hearing more than once.

Better to link to his story than the Journal Record's high school level article.

I have no doubt that Steve has more knowledge about this and has had for a longer time than the Journal's reporter but all input is appreciated.

Downtown Oklahoma City to get new tower | News OK (http://newsok.com/downtown-oklahoma-city-to-get-new-tower/article/3866102)

Words cant express how excited I am, but I CANNOT Believe this thread turned out to be true, I was the biggest non believer. Lol

Downtown Oklahoma City to get new tower | News OK (http://newsok.com/downtown-oklahoma-city-to-get-new-tower/article/3866102)

Words cant express how excited I am, but I CANNOT Believe this thread turned out to be true, I was the biggest non believer. Lol

I never really gave up hope, but I did question just how real it was a few times.

Words cant express how excited I am, but I CANNOT Believe this thread turned out to be true, I was the biggest non believer. Lol

Well shame on you. Don't ever do that again.

Words cant express how excited I am, but I CANNOT Believe this thread turned out to be true, I was the biggest non believer. Lol

I forgive you. But I believe you owe me twenty bucks. That was the amount of the bet, wasn't it?

:Smiley112

I heard Steve had an article in todays paper, anyone know where to find it?

I heard Steve had an article in todays paper, anyone know where to find it?

A great place to start would be today's paper, it is also on Newsok and has been posted in this thread about 3 times.

I think five times, but who's counting?

So, is that all we are going to get until more details are released sometime in the next 90 days, or is there still going to be an announcement this morning or early next week?

I'm not going to read 220 pages of posts so I don't know if this has been mentioned. I have heard that ConocoPhillips is spinning off Phillips and that Phillips is moving to OKC. I wonder if they could be a/the tenant. Their workforce could possibly take 20 floors or more.

I'm not going to read 220 pages of posts so I don't know if this has been mentioned. I have heard that ConocoPhillips is spinning off Phillips and that Phillips is moving to OKC. I wonder if they could be a/the tenant. Their workforce could possibly take 20 floors or more.

We've heard parts of that rumor.....please elaborate if you have more info ???

I'm not going to read 220 pages of posts so I don't know if this has been mentioned. I have heard that ConocoPhillips is spinning off Phillips and that Phillips is moving to OKC. I wonder if they could be a/the tenant. Their workforce could possibly take 20 floors or more.

I doubt it, considering this is being built in HOU for them:

http://swamplot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/phillips-66-rendering.jpg

Downtown Oklahoma City to get new tower | News OK (http://newsok.com/downtown-oklahoma-city-to-get-new-tower/article/3866102)

Not sure if anyone's seen this yet.

Okay, you people have to be trolling by now...

Anyone else kinda bummed by the 20 story statement? Based on the conversations here I was expecting this site to house the 2nd tallest building in OKC.

Anyone else kinda bummed by the 20 story statement? Based on the conversations here I was expecting this site to house the 2nd tallest building in OKC.

Yes... they could have done us a favor and just said '30 minimum', that way we'd know for sure that it'd be taller than Chase aka Cotter.

Anyone else kinda bummed by the 20 story statement? Based on the conversations here I was expecting this site to house the 2nd tallest building in OKC.

No, because we don't know yet. It very well may be. Those who like to feel bummed will and those that are optimistic will be so.

Anyone else kinda bummed by the 20 story statement? Based on the conversations here I was expecting this site to house the 2nd tallest building in OKC.


20 stories in "today's architecture" will be taller than cotter ranch tower.

Anyone else think it's crazy that the first post in this thread starting the "Mystery Tower" speculation was Feb.8th 2012?!?
That was a year and a half ago! My we have been patient.. and we are going to have to wait a little bit longer!

20 stories in "today's architecture" will be taller than cotter ranch tower.

doubtful that would mean that it would have to average 25 ft a floor .... devon averaged 17 a floor

Anyone else think it's crazy that the first post in this thread starting the "Mystery Tower" speculation was Feb.8th 2012?!?
That was a year and a half ago! My we have been patient.. and we are going to have to wait a little bit longer!

That's the disadvantage of knowing about things far in advance!

Since no one mentioned this yet, Steve said the likely location for "mystery tower 2" is the Preftakes block.

Since no one mentioned this yet, Steve said the likely location for "mystery tower 2" is the Preftakes block.

So is it time to start speculation on where #3 goes

Did he mention the size of MT#2?

doubtful that would mean that it would have to average 25 ft a floor .... devon averaged 17 a floor

id bet its more than 500ft tall

From the live chat:


10:48
Steve Lackmeyer: We are looking at the Preftakes properties being the likely home for a mystery tower 2.

Another:

11:07
Steve Lackmeyer: Here's something that will really drive you guys crazy.... I'm starting to see hints that there maybe a mystery tower 3 in the works.....

Maybe the sunshine optimists will be right after all. 3 towers and the MLP HQ in OKC. We really won't know though until we know where that HQ will end up.

Obviously tower 1 will go on the Stage Center site. Tower 2 is probably going to go on the Preftakes block. I would guess Tower 3 is going to go on the area south of Stage Center and it will take longer since they have properties, not just one, to buy and renegotiate leases.

Obviously tower 1 will go on the Stage Center site. Tower 2 is probably going to go on the Preftakes block. I would guess Tower 3 is going to go on the area south of Stage Center and it will take longer since they have properties, not just one, to buy and renegotiate leases.

I don't think Mystery Tower 3 will end up there. I'm not sure, but I just don't think that's the spot.

Obviously tower 1 will go on the Stage Center site. Tower 2 is probably going to go on the Preftakes block. I would guess Tower 3 is going to go on the area south of Stage Center and it will take longer since they have properties, not just one, to buy and renegotiate leases.

Or Tower 3 is a new OG&E HQ going up in the lot north of the museum.

Interesting:

11:21 - I know you mentioned parking will be included. Is this also on the stage center site, or would this possibly be across the street at preftakes block?

11:22 Steve Lackmeyer: Ah hah.... good question. Now we have someone starting to look at how green might be blue.... who says a garage in that spot couldn't accommodate two towers? I don't know the answer to this. But this is the sort of shift in thinking I'm talking about.

Steve Lackmeyer:
There are deals in play that, if they come to fruition, will challenge everyone's assumptions about what's going on in this city. Up is down. Left is right. Blue is yellow. Quit making assumptions based on what you've heard and what you know.

I thought this was interesting.

http://blog.old-and-bold.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Egg-on-face.jpg

Gosh, the smell of sulphur in this room is too much for me. I've never seen such a hyperactive speculation obsessed group of people before. When you over fantasize and the news under delivers...you're gonna have a bad time.

I thought this was interesting.

Yeah, I am not sure what to make of that. A think outside of the box kind of thing. We know there will be a tower more than 20 stories tall built on the Stage Center site, we know this. Parking will be taken care of, but not necessarily on that site. There are at least three other areas that have been mentioned for tower sites: the area south of SC, Preftakes and Kerr and Hudson. What could be happening that would "challenge everone's assuptions about what's going on in this city"? Maybe something we are not thinking of and not energy related? A major company moving their headquarters to OKC from out of state that is not an energy company?

I thought this was interesting.Another cryptic quatrain.

...Maybe something we are not thinking of and not energy related? A major company moving their headquarters to OKC from out of state that is not an energy company?Yeah, that was my initial thought as well...a non-energy company.

Yeah, I am not sure what to make of that. A think outside of the box kind of thing. We know there will be a tower more than 20 stories tall built on the Stage Center site, we know this. Parking will be taken care of, but not necessarily on that site. There are at least three other areas that have been mentioned for tower sites: the area south of SC, Preftakes and Kerr and Hudson. What could be happening that would "challenge everone's assuptions about what's going on in this city"? Maybe something we are not thinking of and not energy related? A major company moving their headquarters to OKC from out of state that is not an energy company?

It was in response to a question about MidFirst moving downtown, so the "non-energy company" thought might be right. It was as cryptic as ever though. I would love to see a company other than Oil & Gas have a large presence downtown.

Why is everyone discounting the 4th and E.K. Gaylord site nowadays?

Why is everyone discounting the 4th and E.K. Gaylord site nowadays?

This is the site I'd most like to see developed.

Because we know the Stage Center site is closing, not to mention is PRIME parkside space that can't be duplicated, 4th and EK is not PRIME space and fronts rail lines, not quite the same.

Someone asked about MT1 if there was any info and Steve said, "it's been announced". To me, "announced" is when you see a thread on the name of the building, predetermined floor count and height. We very well can't put 'OKC - MT1, ?, ?' as a thread line for an announcement on skyscraperpage.com or folks like Cashville are going to burn us for being loopy. The day I see a true thread topic with specs and renderings and it's not called MT1 anymore is when it will be official--for me at least.

Guys, Rainey Williams, new owner of the SC site, is one of the executive directors of Enogex. Remember that when you're thinking who might anchor MT #1. Pete had good sources and wasn't wrong here.

Someone asked about MT1 if there was any info and Steve said, "it's been announced". To me, "announced" is when you see a thread on the name of the building, predetermined floor count and height. We very well can't put 'OKC - MT1, ?, ?' as a thread line for an announcement on skyscraperpage.com or folks like Cashville are going to burn us for being loopy. The day I see a true thread topic with specs and renderings and it's not called MT1 anymore is when it will be official--for me at least.

Guys, this is how big projects usually come to fruition. Soft announcement first, just stating what is going to take place, then a hard announcement usually follows a few months later with more details, renderings, etc. Remember, Devon Tower had a soft announcement first, in March of 2008 with no renderings, etc., but then in August we were all amazed on the final outcome. We are not used to this, people in Austin and Houston are probably laughing at us right now, this is an everyday thing for them, lol.

So we shouldn't be expecting anything else early next week? I don't mind waiting for the details to come out sometime in the next few months, but I also want to keep a lookout if there is more news coming next week.

Here is an example of a soft announcement of new tower in Houston with little details, in March of 2011:

Skyscrapers buck the recession: Hines plans another new office towe... - CultureMap Houston (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/realestate/03-15-11-what-recession-hines-plans-another-new-office-tower-at-block-69-for-downtown-houston/)

Now here is the same project but with hard announcment over two years later, needless to say, big projects take time:

Hines touts new skyscraper in downtown Houston - CultureMap Houston (http://houston.culturemap.com/news/realestate/03-14-13-hines-touts-new-41-story-skyscraper-in-downtown-houston/)

So we shouldn't be expecting anything else early next week? I don't mind waiting for the details to come out sometime in the next few months, but I also want to keep a lookout if there is more news coming next week.

something in the next 90 days

something in the next 90 days

Which just happens to match up with the plans for the next big announcement from the Enogex MLP.