I moved about 20 posts to the streetcar thread.

I moved about 20 posts to the streetcar thread.

thank you, people need to learn to discuss topics in the appropriate thread...

back to subject...I hope the mystery tower is not by an energy company. This will make Oklahoma City more attractive to different corporations wanting to relocate. I think if a city focuses on recruiting companies from one industry, it can hinder development. I am hoping the new skyscraper is for a major bank or aviation company. It would be nice to see a major corporation undertake corporate responsibility and invest in downtown, other than Devon, Chesapeake, Sandridge, or Continental Resources.

This new "Mystery Tower" speculation, is really gaining some serious word on the street type of momentum. Over the weekend I bumped into a few people that are in the contracting and engineering professions and the unconfirmed reports are spreading with real excitement.

I am guessing that somebody is actually very close to breaking this news story with factual evidence soon, seems to be to many people talking now.

Yea, I think the more and more the skyscraper speculation spreads, the company will eventually give in and do formal announcement, since everybody already knows. I think once we know what company is building it, an announcement will soon follow.

They may not be stupid, but they are sure ignorant. I deal with business people all over the country and fortunately I don't deal with any that uninformed. Sorry that is your work clientele. Most reasonably informed people in this country don't have such ignorance. Certainly this isn't common.

This statement shows how ignorant you are to the reality of this situation... Most people that don't live in Oklahoma DO NOT spend the time or effort to remain knowledgeable about places like Oklahoma... Just like most people in Oklahoma have precoceived notions about places like Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska... etc...

It's just human nature, and it means little of their character or intelligence... It's just life. And if you think it's bad in regards to Oklahoma, try New Mexico... you wouldn't believe the amount of smart, educated, level headed americans don't realize that New Mexico is NOT part of Mexico. It's unbelievable...

This statement shows how ignorant you are to the reality of this situation... Most people that don't live in Oklahoma DO NOT spend the time or effort to remain knowledgeable about places like Oklahoma... Just like most people in Oklahoma have precoceived notions about places like Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska... etc...

It's just human nature, and it means little of their character or intelligence... It's just life. And if you think it's bad in regards to Oklahoma, try New Mexico... you wouldn't believe the amount of smart, educated, level headed americans don't realize that New Mexico is NOT part of Mexico. It's unbelievable...

I just don't know that I could call someone smart or educated who is not aware what states are part of the union.

just thoughts, and I hope multiple skyscraper announcements happen (2+ Class A leasable towers, 2+ owner-occupied office towers, X residential towers, Y hotel and hotel/condo towers) and that they are all big and glass/modern. We can hope for smaller infill projects to be other architectural schools (Art Deco, Art Moderne, .....) but we need our tallest and biggest to be modern/post modern/futuristic IMO.

I agre HOT ROD, modern/post modern/futuristic glass buildings are the only way to go. The marble/concrete/stone is 15-30 years ago. Here are some designs that I really like. Maybe something like these.

Infinity Tower (this would look awesome and kind of look like the strong Oklahoma wind is making the building twist)

http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/dubai_marina/infinity_tower.php

[/URL]The Pinnacle (Like the spinning look, kind of like a drill bit.)

http://www.the-poms.com/richard/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2839ThePinnacle_pic7.jpg

Rolex Tower (A similar building to this for the future Sandrige Tower...The windows would be a great contrast and compliment to the Sandridge Tower)
http://www.urbika.com/imgs/projects/large/2164_rolex-tower.jpg

Aqua (Residential Tower Perfection!)

http://archichoong.blogspot.com/2010/11/aqua-chicago-illinois.html

Some other towers that would be nice.

Zlota Tower in Poland.
Gerken in London.
Absolute World North in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

This statement shows how ignorant you are to the reality of this situation... Most people that don't live in Oklahoma DO NOT spend the time or effort to remain knowledgeable about places like Oklahoma... Just like most people in Oklahoma have precoceived notions about places like Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska... etc...

It's just human nature, and it means little of their character or intelligence... It's just life. And if you think it's bad in regards to Oklahoma, try New Mexico... you wouldn't believe the amount of smart, educated, level headed americans don't realize that New Mexico is NOT part of Mexico. It's unbelievable...

Whether you know it or not, you just agreed 100% with what Rover said. He didn't call them unintelligent, by the way. He said they were ignorant. You then went on to explain that they were ignorant and why. The fact is, people are ignorant of Oklahoma (and of other states).

Oklahoma has a reputation out there-- some think it's bad, some don't. Either way, I think it's improving quite a bit. The Thunder, Devon, and hopefully the new corporate HQ will help to continue the improvement.

Yea, I think the more and more the skyscraper speculation spreads, the company will eventually give in and do formal announcement, since everybody already knows. I think once we know what company is building it, an announcement will soon follow.

In other words, keep talking about it until it is true?

Just let it develop naturally, if the company is going to be building for sure, talking about it won't force them to come out with plans any sooner than they want.

This forums is like high school all over again.....it didn't used to be this desperate for news releases/information. I admire the enthusiasm but, really? Lol.

So we're looking at a new tower for this new corporate HQ, a high-rse for a convention hotel, the new Sandridge tower, and probably a high/mid-rise residential tower. That alone will transform the OKC skyline to something unrecognizable compared to just a year ago.

Then, of course, there's the possibility of an additional corporate tower. So, close to five new high/mid rises by 2020. That'll be realllll nice.

Preconceived notions go both ways...

There are many in Oklahoma that think California is nothing but left-wing, gay vegans and that the whole place is nothing but gangs and fault lines.

There are ignorant people everywhere and many who love to cling to these types of ideas because it makes them feel better about where they are. That's never going to change.


BTW, I posted that cool nighttime photo of Devon Tower with CHK Arena in the foreground to my Facebook page a couple of weeks ago and lots of my California friends were impressed and most here realize that Oklahoma is really moving up in the world.

A couple of more tall buildings on our skyline would certainly help to further our national image.

This statement shows how ignorant you are to the reality of this situation... Most people that don't live in Oklahoma DO NOT spend the time or effort to remain knowledgeable about places like Oklahoma... Just like most people in Oklahoma have precoceived notions about places like Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska... etc...

It's just human nature, and it means little of their character or intelligence... It's just life. And if you think it's bad in regards to Oklahoma, try New Mexico... you wouldn't believe the amount of smart, educated, level headed americans don't realize that New Mexico is NOT part of Mexico. It's unbelievable...

What does this have to do with anything? Can you please comment on the Mystery Tower or the Company building the tower.

So we're looking at a new tower for this new corporate HQ, a high-rse for a convention hotel, the new Sandridge tower, and probably a high/mid-rise residential tower. That alone will transform the OKC skyline to something unrecognizable compared to just a year ago.

Then, of course, there's the possibility of an additional corporate tower. So, close to five new high/mid rises by 2020. That'll be realllll nice.

it truly is a great time to be living in OKC

People scoffed when I drew the comparison to Charlotte of 15 years ago but I stand by it. There is a lot to say about raising the bar and for momentum.

OKC currently has more going on it's downtown than all but a few of the biggest cities in the U.S.

I know there can be lots of complaining about the things done here and they way they are handled, but the bottom line is that things ARE getting done and it seems we are just getting started.

This statement shows how ignorant you are to the reality of this situation... Most people that don't live in Oklahoma DO NOT spend the time or effort to remain knowledgeable about places like Oklahoma... Just like most people in Oklahoma have precoceived notions about places like Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska... etc...

It's just human nature, and it means little of their character or intelligence... It's just life. And if you think it's bad in regards to Oklahoma, try New Mexico... you wouldn't believe the amount of smart, educated, level headed americans don't realize that New Mexico is NOT part of Mexico. It's unbelievable...

I will stand by my statements. It is based on dealing daily with businesspeople from across the US, and indeed, around the world. Does someone in hicksville New Jersey have a backward opinion of Oklahoma...sure some do. Does someone in Yukon, OK have a backward opinion of Oklahoma...sure some do. Do people in OKC have a caricature view of New Yorkers....you bet some do. However, by in large, OKC is more respected by people making real business decisions than many Oklahomans want to believe. It is easy to play the victim. But, OKC has more going for it than many even here in OKC recognize.

I just hope all this wild axx speculation of new building(s) or corporate expansion, doesn't end up making a whole lot of good people look foolish if/when it doesn't happen.

Back to the subject! This isn't a what do people think of OKC thread!

I think a residential tower Condo/Apartment should be in the works. We have a lot of potential tenants..... Downtown workers coming in by the droves from Devon, Enogex, Continental, and Sandridge, UCO ACM students, Thunder players, Red Hawk players, Baron players, Medical District doctors, dentists and students, and anyone that wants to live in an urban environment. We have the market just need the building.

Location of the building is another topic that we could delve into! I think Century Center Parking Garage is an option as well as Preftakes block. Maybe one in Midtown. Even a 15 story tower in bricktown would be filled once built with just UCO ACM students..... (2014 finish date... School would have tripled in size by then)

Even a 15 story tower in bricktown would be filled once built with just UCO ACM students..... (2014 finish date... School would have tripled in size by then)

My daughter plans to go to ACM and graduates from Classen in 2014. Please make this happen! :-)

Here's how I would handicap all these possible projects:

1. SandRidge Tower. 90% likelihood as they've gone on record several times. I have the feeling they may not want to top their current tower, so best guest is 15 to 25 floors.

2. Convention Center Hotel. 80% likelihood. The big players and money really want this to happen but a big chunk of city funds will be needed. Given the chosen location for the CC, it's going to have to go vertical: 20 to 30 floors.

3. Mystery Tower. 60% likelihood. Lots and lots of smoke around this from many reputable sources, although not specific announcement as of yet. If it happens, it will probably be on the SW corner of Main & Hudson and everything points to 30 to 50 floors.

4. Mystery Tower II. 30% likelihood. Could be there are two new towers in the works, not just one. But we don't have a site for this or anything specific. Best guess would be 20 to 40 floors.

5. Residential Tower. 10% likelihood. The condo market is still really tough and there is plenty of space for mid-rise residential, so I don't see anything tall (as in over 15 floors) happening for a while.

People scoffed when I drew the comparison to Charlotte of 15 years ago but I stand by it. There is a lot to say about raising the bar and for momentum.

OKC currently has more going on it's downtown than all but a few of the biggest cities in the U.S.

I know there can be lots of complaining about the things done here and they way they are handled, but the bottom line is that things ARE getting done and it seems we are just getting started.

Pete, you were the first person I heard make that comparison, but you haven't been the last. I've heard quite a few connected people bring up Charlotte when talking about what's in store for OKC. So either you were the opinion leader on that comparison or it is based on good news--or both.

Hi, Mike...from Mike...

Oh, there's been a lot of "talk" about moving the 300-400 employees from Irving to Houston after they complete the campus. First, they denied they were building anything at all in Houston, then they finally fessed up (after too many contractors got involved and they put the pieces of the puzzle together about "Project Delta"). It was revealed to be ExxonMobil. After it turned out to be not just a building project, but a massive complex on a grand scale, the rumors started that this was the new world headquarters for ExxonMobil. Consolidate Fairfax, Houston and yes - the crown jewel, the world headquarters from Irving. ExxonMobil finally told everyone about the project but said that the headquarters would stay in Irving. Huh? The more improbable that sounded, the more they stuck to the story. Finally, a top executive is said to have told Houston city leaders that "all options are on the table." To me, it's obvious - they just can't tell the people in Irving now and risk chaos, division, job losses and "taking sides." As the saying goes...when the time is right. A little like college football coaches are never leaving - ignore the rumors - until they announce they're leaving. The denials are shrugged off.

Yes, it's just 300-400 people in Irving. That's not the point at all. It's the prestige, the feather in the cap for Houston - and for Exxon! Think realistically, why would they consolidate office operations at this uber-luxurious new campus and then leave the executive team in Irving? It would make no sense. ExxonMobil wants to be in these statement-making digs they're building as much as Houston city leaders do. When the new mega-campus is completed, why wouldn't ExxonMobil want their world headquarters in the energy capital of the world?

Your girlfriend may be right, Mike. As odd as that would be at a logical level, it's always possible. But, I'd wager hard cash. We'll see.

Yeah, you may be right as well. She just feels like over the past several years that she's been with the company, the execs have created the idea that they want to stay isolated from operations. Sort of to keep a prestige amongst the big dogs... that kind of mentality.

Also note that after purchasing XTO Energy a couple of years ago, the company isn't planning to move any of the Fort Worth personnel to Houston. And from what I understand, they're actually planning to relocate hundreds of Houston employees in US Production to Fort Worth. So, I guess you never know what they might do until it actually happens.

thank you, people need to learn to discuss topics in the appropriate thread...

FYI, I may have discussed the streetcar but my post was relevant to the actual topic. Let me open another window and copy and paste what was relevant to it here:

"I've always thought two new highrises would be Mystery Tower X (International Company) and a two tenant tower (American Fidelity/Midfirst Bank type)."

Here's how I would handicap all these possible projects:

1. SandRidge Tower. 90% likelihood as they've gone on record several times. I have the feeling they may not want to top their current tower, so best guest is 15 to 25 floors.

2. Convention Center Hotel. 80% likelihood. The big players and money really want this to happen but a big chunk of city funds will be needed. Given the chosen location for the CC, it's going to have to go vertical: 20 to 30 floors.

3. Mystery Tower. 60% likelihood. Lots and lots of smoke around this from many reputable sources, although not specific announcement as of yet. If it happens, it will probably be on the SW corner of Main & Hudson and everything points to 30 to 50 floors.

4. Mystery Tower II. 30% likelihood. Could be there are two new towers in the works, not just one. But we don't have a site for this or anything specific. Best guess would be 20 to 40 floors.

5. Residential Tower. 10% likelihood. The condo market is still really tough and there is plenty of space for mid-rise residential, so I don't see anything tall (as in over 15 floors) happening for a while.


If 1-4 come to fruition, I'd rather see two 10 story condos than one 20 story.

Does anyone have the actual quote from Mark Beffort saying that a "tower" is going to be built?
I attended the CBRE Commercial Real Estate Forecast and all he told the group was that there was a "possibility" of a a large corporate re-location coming to OKC. No mention of that company officially coming, or who it was, or that they were going to build a tower downtown.

When and where did he say an out of state company would build a tower downtown?

When and where did he say an out of state company would build a tower downtown?

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Does anyone have the actual quote from Mark Beffort saying that a "tower" is going to be built?
I attended the CBRE Commercial Real Estate Forecast and all he told the group was that there was a "possibility" of a a large corporate re-location coming to OKC. No mention of that company officially coming, or who it was, or that they were going to build a tower downtown.

When and where did he say an out of state company would build a tower downtown?

This thread, post # 21.....first DOK article, he said it would be built this year. No mention of where this company was coming from.

This thread, post # 21.....first DOK article, he said it would be built this year. No mention of where this company was coming from.

Thanks Bellaboo.

My money is on a current OKC company

My money is on a current OKC company

Same here.

Beffort stated in the article that "another new corporate headquarters will be built downtown, staring this year". So he didn't specifically say a skyscraper, he didn't say what company nor did he say where, but sources are saying Beffort's announcement is in connection with speculation of a possible new skyscraper. What would be nice is if there was no connection, and the rumors we have been hearing were for a another skyscraper, and what Beffort stated was brand new information....

I just don't know that I could call someone smart or educated who is not aware what states are part of the union.

Have you ever met an engineer? lol. I can't tell you how many engineers I have met that are not only genius level intelligence but also have PhD's (so they are obviously smart AND educated) yet they don't know how to wash their dishes or comb their hair. So, yes there plenty of people that are very smart and educated that are ridiculously ignorant about things that seem impossible for them to be ignorant about.


Whether you know it or not, you just agreed 100% with what Rover said. He didn't call them unintelligent, by the way. He said they were ignorant. You then went on to explain that they were ignorant and why. The fact is, people are ignorant of Oklahoma (and of other states).

Oklahoma has a reputation out there-- some think it's bad, some don't. Either way, I think it's improving quite a bit. The Thunder, Devon, and hopefully the new corporate HQ will help to continue the improvement.

Rover said he was fortunate to not have to work with "that clientele." He was quite obviously casting an aspersion if not saying it outright...


I will stand by my statements. It is based on dealing daily with businesspeople from across the US, and indeed, around the world. Does someone in hicksville New Jersey have a backward opinion of Oklahoma...sure some do. Does someone in Yukon, OK have a backward opinion of Oklahoma...sure some do. Do people in OKC have a caricature view of New Yorkers....you bet some do. However, by in large, OKC is more respected by people making real business decisions than many Oklahomans want to believe. It is easy to play the victim. But, OKC has more going for it than many even here in OKC recognize.

It's great that most of the people you deal with are informed about things of this nature... but I can assure you it is FAR from the norm or the majority.... that was my point.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that we need to drop the "victim" mentality.... The way we as Oklahoman's can lose the victim mentality is to not let that ignorance bother us. The more we laugh it off and handle it humbly, the more others become informed. And of course, the more new development of this nature we keep getting here, the more it'll change perceptions... (there, it's on topic now. :) )

If this mystery tower being built this year is real then some bid request's should be coming out soon. Things should start leaking out soon....

Do we have a Commerce Business Daily scout?

One of the very first steps would be the Downtown Design Review Committee and a bunch of us monitor that.

One of the very first steps would be the Downtown Design Review Committee and a bunch of us monitor that.

Keep on monitoring The Matrix, Pete.

[QUOTE=FWIW, you have apparently been overlooking a crucial part of the quote from the Chamber of Commerce. It is not the headquarters of an international company that is considering the move to OKC. It is the North American headquarters of an international company. Your Cemex thory does not fit so well under those circumstances.[/QUOTE]

Just to let you know, his theory would work, because Mexico is in North America. North America doesn't mean USA.

Just to let you know, his theory would work, because Mexico is in North America. North America doesn't mean USA.

See page 10, post 247.

See page 10, post 237.

Post 247.

Just to let you know, his theory would work, because Mexico is in North America. North America doesn't mean USA.

Please ignore!!

Steve and Pete, would it be possible or even, more likely, that Beffort knows of companies coming to OKC, and he, himself and other investors, would build a high-rise/skyscraper with class A office space? Instead of a company saying they are moving and are just going to wait 3 years for it to be built. To me, it makes more since that someone like, Beffort, would be wanting to build a tower on his lot, so that the luring companies would want to move into his space!!

Just an Idea

Steve and Pete, would it be possible or even, more likely, that Beffort knows of companies coming to OKC, and he, himself and other investors, would build a high-rise/skyscraper with class A office space? Instead of a company saying they are moving and are just going to wait 3 years for it to be built. To me, it makes more since that someone like, Beffort, would be wanting to build a tower on his lot, so that the luring companies would want to move into his space!!

Just an Idea

Beffort is not building anything. He is just friends with the people in the "know".

We probably won't know anything until some press conference and BAM they unveil a massive tower like they did with the Devon Tower.

Steve and Pete, would it be possible or even, more likely, that Beffort knows of companies coming to OKC, and he, himself and other investors, would build a high-rise/skyscraper with class A office space? Instead of a company saying they are moving and are just going to wait 3 years for it to be built. To me, it makes more since that someone like, Beffort, would be wanting to build a tower on his lot, so that the luring companies would want to move into his space!!

Just an Idea

Hmmm. Never thought of it that way...sounds plausible

We had wind of Devon Tower about a year before it was officially announced. We knew where it would be located, the approximate size and that it would be a tower, garden wing and rotunda.

We didn't know the specifics but when it was unveiled the information I and others had received was darn close to what was ultimately revealed. It actually turned out to be taller and larger than we had thought, but otherwise we were pretty close.

This time around, we aren't sure who is behind this, so that is a pretty big difference. But we are pretty sure about the location and approximate size and I bet both will be darn close to what actually happens.

I'd take odds that we'll know something by June 1. Like Steve said, there's too much floating around about this.

I'd take odds that we'll know something by June 1. Like Steve said, there's too much floating around about this.

Speaking of Steve...

Downtown Oklahoma City skyline is set for more growth (http://newsok.com/downtown-oklahoma-city-skyline-is-set-for-more-growth/article/3648714#ixzz1mJcRn4w8)

Heh, "mystery tower"... where'd he possibly get that term?

I'll be interesting in seeing if things play out as I think they will....

There you go again Steve. :wink:

Great solid article Steve,and after reading the article we got answers to some key questions, if all goes as planned we know it will be at least 40 stories, and that construction would begin this year. And the location has a good possiblity to be the Preftakes block.

Steve's mention of the proposed (and now on indefinite hold) Chamber HQ site at the SE corner of 4th and Broadway/EKG is an interesting idea.

It's a big chunk of completely empty grassland. It's also a great location with close proximity to Bricktown, Auto Alley and the emerging residential neighborhood of Deep Deuce.

Interestingly that property is about 2/3rds owned by OPUBCO with the City owning the remainder.


It would be awesome to see a tower go up at Main & Hudson AND this site... Would really stretch out the skyline.

This "mystery" tower will happen folks!I bet another nice sized scraper ontop of the mystery tower will also be announced by mid to late 2012,and other big announcments will come, that just a few years ago people would have laughed at!Mark my words,The economy is climbing and OKC has momentum and I believe We have only seen the very start of a possible Charlotte,Austin type boom,but maybe not as high population growths!Devon set the skyscraper bar high and The City of OKC was behind them 100%,any other company/investor that thought of moving or building in OKC has taken notice of what this city has been doing-OK river,MAPS,NBA etc.....!The city of OKC will bend over backwards to attract big comapanies to move here or developers to build here,and believe Me,those people are taking notice!I know I'm sounding like an OKC tourism commercial,but these things WILL happen!My prediction for the "mystery" tower-45 stories,730'ft tall,all glass w/LED capability,the tower will be 425-525 Million$!

I did want to point out one discrepancy in what Steve wrote and what Richard Mize originally reported.

From Mize's article, it could just a be a local company (i.e. American Fidelity or MidFirst) moving it's HQ downtown, which is quite different than a company relocating to OKC.

Steve:

Mark Beffort, a major player in the downtown real estate game, got everyone talking this past week when he declared that, yes, there will be another office building built downtown as part of a yet unidentified company moving its headquarters to Oklahoma City.

Mize:

Mark Beffort said another new corporate headquarters will be built downtown starting this year, but he didn’t say what company. He also said would-be tenants are vying for Devon Energy’s current space, but he didn’t say who.

Just to let you know, his theory would work, because Mexico is in North America. North America doesn't mean USA.


See page 10, post 247.


And more importantly, see the response to post 247, to-wit:

"LOL. Yes, indeed, I do realize that Mexico is in North America. The Cemex HQ that MikeOKC and others are discussing moving to OKC from Monterrey, however, is not a North American HQ. It is a world corporate HQ, You do realize there is a difference between North America and the world, don't you? ;-)"

To clarify once again, the CoC rumor is that an international company is moving its North American headquarters to OKC. The Cemex headquarters in Mexico City that is the object of some of the overheated speculation is not a North America. Headquarters. It is a global, corporate headquarters. That is not what the CoC has told us they are expecting.

Further, the Cemex office in Houston is the U.S. headquarters for the company, not a North American headquarters.

Cemex is indeed an international company, but they do not currently have a North American headquarters, and the evidence suggests they are not about to create one in OKC.

This "mystery" tower will happen folks!I bet another nice sized scraper ontop of the mystery tower will also be announced by mid to late 2012,and other big announcments will come, that just a few years ago people would have laughed at!Mark my words,The economy is climbing and OKC has momentum and I believe We have only seen the very start of a possible Charlotte,Austin type boom,but maybe not as high population growths!Devon set the skyscraper bar high and The City of OKC was behind them 100%,any other company/investor that thought of moving or building in OKC has taken notice of what this city has been doing-OK river,MAPS,NBA etc.....!The city of OKC will bend over backwards to attract big comapanies to move here or developers to build here,and believe Me,those people are taking notice!I know I'm sounding like an OKC tourism commercial,but these things WILL happen!My prediction for the "mystery" tower-45 stories,730'ft tall,all glass w/LED capability,the tower will be 425-525 Million$!

I really do love it when you post, dmoor.

Has anybody attempted to as Mark Beauffort any details? Steve?

I did want to point out one discrepancy in what Steve wrote and what Richard Mize originally reported.

From Mize's article, it could just a be a local company (i.e. American Fidelity or MidFirst) moving it's HQ downtown, which is quite different than a company relocating to OKC.

Steve:


Mize:

Yep, makes a big difference when you leave out a single word (in this case "downtown"). Fix made. Thanks Pete.
Yes, Beffort and I have talked.
I'm going to suggest something I've hinted at ... I EMPHASIZE, I DO NOT KNOW THE FOLLOWING TO BE TRUE ... but.... I am wondering more and more if we're not looking at two buildings and not just one. I'll also add that I hear NOBODY talking about Cemex as one of the possible new additions to downtown other than folks on this board. I've heard, seen nothing to indicate it's Cemex.

This thread is out of control. It's pretty much the equivalent of a bunch of 13 year-old girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Lol.

I had started a post earlier, but stopped because I got carried away. I did some research and Illinois is losing companies left and right.

John Deere and Caterpillar both are located in Illinois and would be more centrally located if they moved to Oklahoma.

Caterpillar has made lots of PR announcements about moving.

This thread is out of control. It's pretty much the equivalent of a bunch of 13 year-old girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Lol.

I am officially insulted. LOL

This thread is out of control. It's pretty much the equivalent of a bunch of 13 year-old girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Lol.

+1

I had started a post earlier, but stopped because I got carried away. I did some research and Illinois is losing companies left and right.

John Deere and Caterpillar both are located in Illinois and would be more centrally located if they moved to Oklahoma.

Caterpillar has made lots of PR announcements about moving.

No they have not read this OP-ED from CEO: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/ct-perspec-0212-caterpillar-20120212,0,6505309.story