I thought I was the only one who thought the Exxon HQ was on the move to the new campus. Glad to hear others have noticed that too. That campus looks way too spectacular to not be the corporate HQ. (As an aside, apparently the Exxon Mobil honchos haven't gotten the memo re: the total failure of corporate campuses)

Are you saying companies don't make mistakes?

LOL. No. Obviously not. But if you want to further your case that corporate campuses are total failures, some kind of evidence (beyond a couple of friends who don't like their particular workplaces) might be useful.

How about this - I retract the comment.

Yes, but those are temporary digs. They're building a HUGE campus in Houston (Spring, TX) that everyone in the business and their dog believes will be the consolidated headquarters of Exxon/Mobil. They denied it a couple of years back, but since the full-scale plans went public - there's no question and even they've backed off and said that everything is on the table. Have you seen how big this project is, btw?
swamplot.com/a-first-look-at-the-plans-for-exxonmobils-humongous-new-corporate-campus-north-of-houston/2011-03-17/
http://constructioncitizen.com/blog/project-delta-aka-exxonmobil-black-box-projects/1107061

And, there's a big difference in moving from the NYC metro to DFW or Houston and from NYC metro to Oklahoma City.

My girlfriend works for ExxonMobil, and she doesn't think they're going to move the corporate HQ to the new campus. Exxon's operations are spread all over the place in Houston and also in Virginia, and the purpose of the campus is to bring all these people together. Exxon's corporate headquarters in Irving is just that, and office for the top-level executives, attorneys, admins, etc. There's probably not more than a couple hundred employees there. She thinks if they wanted to be in Houston, they could have been down there a long time ago. There haven't been any talks of the execs moving to the new campus.

My girlfriend works for ExxonMobil, and she doesn't think they're going to move the corporate HQ to the new campus. Exxon's operations are spread all over the place in Houston and also in Virginia, and the purpose of the campus is to bring all these people together. Exxon's corporate headquarters in Irving is just that, and office for the top-level executives, attorneys, admins, etc. There's probably not more than a couple hundred employees there. She thinks if they wanted to be in Houston, they could have been down there a long time ago. There haven't been any talks of the execs moving to the new campus.

Hi, Mike...from Mike...

Oh, there's been a lot of "talk" about moving the 300-400 employees from Irving to Houston after they complete the campus. First, they denied they were building anything at all in Houston, then they finally fessed up (after too many contractors got involved and they put the pieces of the puzzle together about "Project Delta"). It was revealed to be ExxonMobil. After it turned out to be not just a building project, but a massive complex on a grand scale, the rumors started that this was the new world headquarters for ExxonMobil. Consolidate Fairfax, Houston and yes - the crown jewel, the world headquarters from Irving. ExxonMobil finally told everyone about the project but said that the headquarters would stay in Irving. Huh? The more improbable that sounded, the more they stuck to the story. Finally, a top executive is said to have told Houston city leaders that "all options are on the table." To me, it's obvious - they just can't tell the people in Irving now and risk chaos, division, job losses and "taking sides." As the saying goes...when the time is right. A little like college football coaches are never leaving - ignore the rumors - until they announce they're leaving. The denials are shrugged off.

Yes, it's just 300-400 people in Irving. That's not the point at all. It's the prestige, the feather in the cap for Houston - and for Exxon! Think realistically, why would they consolidate office operations at this uber-luxurious new campus and then leave the executive team in Irving? It would make no sense. ExxonMobil wants to be in these statement-making digs they're building as much as Houston city leaders do. When the new mega-campus is completed, why wouldn't ExxonMobil want their world headquarters in the energy capital of the world?

Your girlfriend may be right, Mike. As odd as that would be at a logical level, it's always possible. But, I'd wager hard cash. We'll see.

Sorry to burst your bizarrely paranoid little bubble....

FWIW, you have apparently been overlooking a crucial part of the quote from the Chamber of Commerce. It is not the headquarters of an international company that is considering the move to OKC. It is the North American headquarters of an international company. Your Cemex thory does not fit so well under those circumstances.

LOL, although this wasn't directed at me, you do realize that Mexico is considered North America dont you? Now I don't think it's Cemex, but I suppose there is a slight chance.

My girlfriend works for ExxonMobil, and she doesn't think they're going to move the corporate HQ to the new campus. Exxon's operations are spread all over the place in Houston and also in Virginia, and the purpose of the campus is to bring all these people together. Exxon's corporate headquarters in Irving is just that, and office for the top-level executives, attorneys, admins, etc. There's probably not more than a couple hundred employees there. She thinks if they wanted to be in Houston, they could have been down there a long time ago. There haven't been any talks of the execs moving to the new campus.

My step son works in R&D on Buffalo Speedway in Houston. It's the unit bought from Standard years ago. Some of the commercils for E/M that we've seen in the last few years were filmed there. That unit is closing down and moving to the new campus in Spring.

LOL. Yes, indeed, I do realize that Mexico is in North America. The Cemex HQ that MikeOKC and others are discussing moving to OKC from Monterrey, however, is not a North American HQ. It is a world corporate HQ, You do realize there is a difference between North America and the world, don't you? ;-)

Read the last 15 posts, and its a great example on how a thread dies.:boxing2:

Hi, Mike...from Mike...

Oh, there's been a lot of "talk" about moving the 300-400 employees from Irving to Houston after they complete the campus. First, they denied they were building anything at all in Houston, then they finally fessed up (after too many contractors got involved and they put the pieces of the puzzle together about "Project Delta"). It was revealed to be ExxonMobil. After it turned out to be not just a building project, but a massive complex on a grand scale, the rumors started that this was the new world headquarters for ExxonMobil. Consolidate Fairfax, Houston and yes - the crown jewel, the world headquarters from Irving. ExxonMobil finally told everyone about the project but said that the headquarters would stay in Irving. Huh? The more improbable that sounded, the more they stuck to the story. Finally, a top executive is said to have told Houston city leaders that "all options are on the table." To me, it's obvious - they just can't tell the people in Irving now and risk chaos, division, job losses and "taking sides." As the saying goes...when the time is right. A little like college football coaches are never leaving - ignore the rumors - until they announce they're leaving. The denials are shrugged off.

Yes, it's just 300-400 people in Irving. That's not the point at all. It's the prestige, the feather in the cap for Houston - and for Exxon! Think realistically, why would they consolidate office operations at this uber-luxurious new campus and then leave the executive team in Irving? It would make no sense. ExxonMobil wants to be in these statement-making digs they're building as much as Houston city leaders do. When the new mega-campus is completed, why wouldn't ExxonMobil want their world headquarters in the energy capital of the world?

Your girlfriend may be right, Mike. As odd as that would be at a logical level, it's always possible. But, I'd wager hard cash. We'll see.

I think you have it exactly right, Mike.

XOM has given conflicting and very ambiguus information from the beginning. One day a spokesman says that all offices and real estate are being studied. Another day they say the HQ is not even part of this study (which may mean nothing at all). I don't think they have ever really definitively said what is and what is not moving to the new campus, although IIRC, they have said they have not yet decided anything about the Virginia campus. Of course That may be more about keeping the Virginia operation running smoothly until the new campus is ready for them.

The GM deal may have happened 28-38 years ago but there is no doubt in my mind that OKC and OK in general have a bad image about it nonetheless. Look, you guys know that whenever someone mentions OK they think of a podunk town and backwards state. They think of the Dust Bowl. Despite changes and improvements to OKC and OK people still think like that. People already have a bad image of OK and when things like the rebate being taken back (and it was given but against the state constitution as mentioned earlier so indeed it was taken back but not by those who granted it) people just use that as further proof that OK is backwards, whether that's fair or not.

The fact that the rebates were against the state constitution makes OK seem all the more backwards 1000 times worse. If OK officials don't even know if a rebate is within their power to grant the rebate that just makes them seem even more ignorant and not to be believed.

The GM deal may have happened 28-38 years ago but there is no doubt in my mind that OKC and OK in general have a bad image about it nonetheless. Look, you guys know that whenever someone mentions OK they think of a podunk town and backwards state. They think of the Dust Bowl. Despite changes and improvements to OKC and OK people still think like that. People already have a bad image of OK and when things like the rebate being taken back (and it was given but against the state constitution as mentioned earlier so indeed it was taken back but not by those who granted it) people just use that as further proof that OK is backwards, whether that's fair or not.

The fact that the rebates were against the state constitution makes OK seem all the more backwards 1000 times worse. If OK officials don't even know if a rebate is within their power to grant the rebate that just makes them seem even more ignorant and not to be believed.

I agree people hold stereotypical views of Oklahoma, but every state does dumb stuff. I do not think people are dwelling on something that happened in the 1970s. I guarantee you very few people nationally have any clue that happened.

The GM deal may have happened 28-38 years ago but there is no doubt in my mind that OKC and OK in general have a bad image about it nonetheless. Look, you guys know that whenever someone mentions OK they think of a podunk town and backwards state. They think of the Dust Bowl.

Most of the younger generation today who think of OK as a dust bowl state won't even come close to associating the GM incident with the image they have of Oklahoma. Most don't even have a clue it happened. My take on this whole dust bowl image fiasco is this... if misinformation hadn't occurred to begin with, it never would have been a problem. The fact that John Steiback's grossly inaccurate novel was part of the national school curriculum greatly exacerbated the problem. Not to even mention the author never set foot in our state. I won't even go into the Henry Fonda flick.


Despite changes and improvements to OKC and OK people still think like that. People already have a bad image of OK and when things like the rebate being taken back (and it was given but against the state constitution as mentioned earlier so indeed it was taken back but not by those who granted it) people just use that as further proof that OK is backwards, whether that's fair or not.

That's evidence of ignorance. We can accomplish a million feats to improve our image and people's mind will never change.


The fact that the rebates were against the state constitution makes OK seem all the more backwards 1000 times worse. If OK officials don't even know if a rebate is within their power to grant the rebate that just makes them seem even more ignorant and not to be believed.

Again, this was the legislature in the 1980s. They made a lot of mistakes that cost the state's economy. Thanks to term limits, they are not in office any more. OK officials today have created rebates and incentives to lure jobs and create jobs. The Oklahoma Quality Jobs Act didn't exist until 9 years after GM's rebate was rescinded. In fact, the state can create a laundry list of incentives and rebates as long as it doesn't impact ad valorem taxes.

Besides, the strides the OKC Chamber of Commerce has made along with the State Legislature is gaining traction across the country. Here we are with Boeing adding over 1,000 high-paying jobs, and we are still muddling over GM. We can't focus on past mistakes. Civic leaders are staying focused on better programs and ways to make Oklahoma attractive to companies. As long as they are successful, which they have been, the rest will take care of itself.

It might be that they sold some that was just to the west of their current facility.....like 20 acres about 5 years ago.

Not according to any records I could find through the County Assessor.

Look, you guys know that whenever someone mentions OK they think of a podunk town and backwards state. They think of the Dust Bowl.

There are a lot of reasons for this and some of them are still true. However, we have seen real change recently and we are beginning to have more to sell the city on than just its relative cheapness. You can offer all the incentives and cheap cost of living you want, but, honestly, a most of the big time players, or any players really, are not looking for cheapness just to be cheap. They are looking for quality and/or value. The difference now is that there is a lot more value to the city, more upside, and a better quality of life than there has been since the dust bowl and Steinbeck.

I think the podunk image is eroding some with the relatively stronger economy we've had the last few years and higher profile exposure, like the NBA. It's going to take a longer time to shake the "backwards" image of the state as a whole, mainly due to the focus of our legislature. But even there, I have seen more vocal resistance from prominent business leaders against the often self righteous nature of our state's legal sessions than I remember hearing before.

I don't think you're going to change the state's overall image, but it is very possible for Oklahoma City to achieve some bit of antithesis status like Austin has in Texas or Charlotte in North Carolina. Both cities have been fairly successful at shaking the negative connotations, justified or not, that are often attributed to their states as a whole.

Yes, I was just going to mention that just about every emerging boom town started with a small-town, at least somewhat backwards image. I don't think anyone would have listed Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Austin, Salt Lake, Tampa, Nashville, or even Phoenix as great centers of cosmopolitan life before they really took off.

But they all experienced a tipping point where the attitudes shifted, internally and externally. That is clearly happening with OKC now and in many ways has already occurred.

And I think Americans are very used to these shifts taking place... It's been happening in the south and west for the better part of a century -- it's very much a big part of how this country has grown and excelled.

The GM deal may have happened 28-38 years ago but there is no doubt in my mind that OKC and OK in general have a bad image about it nonetheless. Look, you guys know that whenever someone mentions OK they think of a podunk town and backwards state. They think of the Dust Bowl. Despite changes and improvements to OKC and OK people still think like that. People already have a bad image of OK and when things like the rebate being taken back (and it was given but against the state constitution as mentioned earlier so indeed it was taken back but not by those who granted it) people just use that as further proof that OK is backwards, whether that's fair or not.

The fact that the rebates were against the state constitution makes OK seem all the more backwards 1000 times worse. If OK officials don't even know if a rebate is within their power to grant the rebate that just makes them seem even more ignorant and not to be believed.

This is such an outdated view of reality I think the poster hasn't been in the real world for awhile. This isn't the contemporary view of OK.

if misinformation hadn't occurred to begin with, it never would have been a problem. The fact that John Steiback's grossly inaccurate novel was part of the national school curriculum greatly exacerbated the problem.

I'm sorry that this is off topic, but I'm one of those teachers that uses Steinbeck. The problem is not with Steinbeck, but with people who are unable to understand it (i.e. YOU). Steinbeck portrays the Joads as kind and hard working people who are stereotyped by a cruel society. Maybe you need to read the book again. I do not think it portrays Oklahoma negatively at all. People that think this either haven't read it or hold highly stereotypical beliefs themselves. Some of these stereotypes are present in this thread. What's wrong with a "podunk" town? Small towns are a big part of Oklahoma? Of course, there are negative things that sometimes come along with them, but to dismiss them all is pretty arrogant. Everywhere in Oklahoma isn't going to be cosmopolitan and we need to be okay with that.

I'm sorry that this is off topic, but I'm one of those teachers that uses Steinbeck. The problem is not with Steinbeck, but with people who are unable to understand it (e.g. YOU). Steinbeck portrays the Joads as kind and hard working people who are stereotyped by a cruel society. Maybe you need to read the book again. I do not think it portrays Oklahoma negatively at all. People that think this either haven't read it or hold highly stereotypical beliefs themselves.

What does this have to do with the mystery tower ?

I remember someone here, it may have been EDCRUNK, who worked at the Colcord, who overheard some businessmen talking about some new big building being built....about 6 to 9 months ago ??? could this be it ?

What does this have to do with the mystery tower ?

Nothing. Did you read the first six words of my post? I apologized for being off-topic, but when people throw ignorant comments out there I think it's appropriate to respond... even if it's off topic.

Nothing. Did you read the first six words of my post? I apologized for being off-topic, but when people throw ignorant comments out there I think it's appropriate to respond... even if it's off topic.

I understand, I was just trying to 'right the ship' here.

The GM deal may have happened 28-38 years ago but there is no doubt in my mind that OKC and OK in general have a bad image about it nonetheless. Look, you guys know that whenever someone mentions OK they think of a podunk town and backwards state. They think of the Dust Bowl. Despite changes and improvements to OKC and OK people still think like that. People already have a bad image of OK and when things like the rebate being taken back (and it was given but against the state constitution as mentioned earlier so indeed it was taken back but not by those who granted it) people just use that as further proof that OK is backwards, whether that's fair or not.

The fact that the rebates were against the state constitution makes OK seem all the more backwards 1000 times worse. If OK officials don't even know if a rebate is within their power to grant the rebate that just makes them seem even more ignorant and not to be believed.

No, not really N-D-N, I travel fairly regularly and have either encountered positive opinions of OK, or no preconceived opinions or perceptions at all.

I'm sorry that this is off topic, but I'm one of those teachers that uses Steinbeck. The problem is not with Steinbeck, but with people who are unable to understand it (i.e. YOU). Steinbeck portrays the Joads as kind and hard working people who are stereotyped by a cruel society. Maybe you need to read the book again. I do not think it portrays Oklahoma negatively at all. People that think this either haven't read it or hold highly stereotypical beliefs themselves. Some of these stereotypes are present in this thread. What's wrong with a "podunk" town? Small towns are a big part of Oklahoma? Of course, there are negative things that sometimes come along with them, but to dismiss them all is pretty arrogant. Everywhere in Oklahoma isn't going to be cosmopolitan and we need to be okay with that.

Well said.

What does this have to do with the mystery tower ?

Dude, we haven't talked about the mystery tower for like 6 pages now. LOL

Dude, we haven't talked about the mystery tower for like 6 pages now. LOL

I know it, but i'm trying to, see post #261....

Any chance they keep the name "Mystery Tower"?

I like it!

I prefer Tower X.

I know it, but i'm trying to, see post #261....

Yeah, I seen that and I never heard anyone say anything about it so I'm just as curious as you are.

I think we will get an announcement sooner than later. Mark Beffort wouldn't have mentioned something that strong, unless he knew it was going to happen for sure, and it was close to being announced. However, I would rather wait until 12-31-2012 and hear announcement of the new skyscraper, with 100% chance construction would start, then to get an announcement tomm, only for it to get shot down because it was announced to early without everything being a done deal.

My prediction is an announcement within 90 days...

I prefer Tower X.How 'bout MidCemHertz Tower?

I'm sorry that this is off topic, but I'm one of those teachers that uses Steinbeck. The problem is not with Steinbeck, but with people who are unable to understand it (i.e. YOU). Steinbeck portrays the Joads as kind and hard working people who are stereotyped by a cruel society. Maybe you need to read the book again. I do not think it portrays Oklahoma negatively at all. People that think this either haven't read it or hold highly stereotypical beliefs themselves. Some of these stereotypes are present in this thread. What's wrong with a "podunk" town? Small towns are a big part of Oklahoma? Of course, there are negative things that sometimes come along with them, but to dismiss them all is pretty arrogant. Everywhere in Oklahoma isn't going to be cosmopolitan and we need to be okay with that.

Please read my response in Steve's thread.

How 'bout MidCemHertz Tower?

You might actually be on to something there. What about a single tower with two high profile tennants - MidFirst and American Fidelity. The BNY Mellon Center houses the headquarters of FMC and Sunoco (both Fortune 500 companies).

These would look good:
http://blog.igatewayfinancial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/SymphonyTowers-exterior.jpg
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCu9HPNdiZ0KGsKiPto5K5mKyzPo7Ws LcHxIcOgqfGnd4g0jw7yHxal_M8
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8up7h6T0Kzc/THsvSHL4NwI/AAAAAAAASdU/OYKCflx0g0w/s1600/Phnom+Penh+Tower.gif
http://www.techpin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/50-coolest-buildings.jpg
http://tuhinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/Dezeen_Greenland-Group-Suzhou-Centre-by-SOM_3.jpg

I think we will get an announcement sooner than later. Mark Beffort wouldn't have mentioned something that strong, unless he knew it was going to happen for sure, and it was close to being announced. However, I would rather wait until 12-31-2012 and hear announcement of the new skyscraper, with 100% chance construction would start, then to get an announcement tomm, only for it to get shot down because it was announced to early without everything being a done deal.
That's not possible, that's 10 days after the world ends. Try again.

Skanaly I really like that third picture, minus the bottom floors.

On the subject of pre-conceived notions, when I travel and when we talk to our peers at work about moving here it seems that the only states that still really have something against us are California and Texas. I think in both cases it is because there are generational relationships of dislike that go back with our states (e.g. California and many of their Oklahoman roots, Texas and various TX/OK rivalries, etc.). Besides the two of them by and large it doesn't seem to me like people think anything at all about our state either way, but they sure do love the Thunder.

After bugging the sh** out of my neighbor for Months upon months I tould him about this mystery tower news and He said"I told You",He also said prbably two scrapers might rise at almost the same time!Take it for what it's worth,but every detail this guy has told me about has come true!

After bugging the sh** out of my neighbor for Months upon months I tould him about this mystery tower news and He said"I told You",He also said prbably two scrapers might rise at almost the same time!Take it for what it's worth,but every detail this guy has told me about has come true!

This is quite possible... it would clear up a lot of weird things I've been tracking in chasing this story.

Steve,You know alot more than Me,but I know some city leaders and construction workers who have loose lips,Take it for what it's worth,it's all speculation until confirmation.All it took was One local company to invest in vertical development,now others see the benefit of vertical consolidation,just makes good buisness sense!

I know some city leaders and construction workers who have loose lips,Take it for what it's worth,it's all speculation until confirmation.

Nope. You said it. Two skyscrapers at once. FACT. I wonder if they'll be connected? ;)

Skanaly I really like that third picture, minus the bottom floors.

On the subject of pre-conceived notions, when I travel and when we talk to our peers at work about moving here it seems that the only states that still really have something against us are California and Texas. I think in both cases it is because there are generational relationships of dislike that go back with our states (e.g. California and many of their Oklahoman roots, Texas and various TX/OK rivalries, etc.). Besides the two of them by and large it doesn't seem to me like people think anything at all about our state either way, but they sure do love the Thunder.

I can tell you first hand that the people I worked with in Philadelphia were stunned and pleasantly surprised when seeing pictures of downtown OKC on my laptop. They said they never expected OKC to have skyscrapers and almost fell out their chairs when they asked how many people lived in OKC and I told them nearly 1.3 million metro wide. They thought OKC had 100,000 people. Mind you, these were not stupid people, it was just that OKC was not part of their realm of knowledge.

Guys, I don't know if there will be two skyscrapers. I don't know FOR CERTAIN whether there will be one new skyscraper (though the smoke is getting awfully thick). But there sure are a lot of my trip wires being set off....

I can tell you first hand that the people I worked with in Philadelphia were stunned and pleasantly surprised when seeing pictures of downtown OKC on my laptop. They said they never expected OKC to have skycrapers and almost fell out their chairs when they asked how many people lived in OKC and I told them nearly 1.3 million metro wide. They thought OKC had 100,000 people. Mind you, these were not stupid people, it was just that OKC was not part of their realm of knowledge.

They may not be stupid, but they are sure ignorant. I deal with business people all over the country and fortunately I don't deal with any that uninformed. Sorry that is your work clientele. Most reasonably informed people in this country don't have such ignorance. Certainly this isn't common.

Whatever Rover.

Nope. You said it. Two skyscrapers at once. FACT. I wonder if they'll be connected? ;)

Take it for what its worth!I mean,who am I?I know You were jokin',but some people on here take things to seriously,that why I've taken a break from here!

I just wanted to throw this out there in the world of speculation, but in terms of a new potential Headquarters heading to Oklahoma City the chamber was quoted as saying “A North American Headquarters for an international company” and I can’t help but point out,

CNOOC (Chinese National Offshore Oil Corporation)

They are a large Chinese Energy company that over the past two years has forged a huge partnership with Chesapeake Energy on more than one occasion.

10/2010

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/11/us-cnooc-chesapeake-idUSTRE69A0T520101011

http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2010/11/cnooc_-chesapeake.html

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/10/11/cnooc-and-chesapeake-sign-a-2-2-billion-deal/

January 2011

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703833204576114923835369458.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/31/cnooc-chesapeake-idUKN3017000120110131

CNOOC Press Release

http://www.cnoocltd.com/encnoocltd/newszx/news/2011/1590.shtml

Another large Chinese Energy Company called Sinopec, which is considered a sister company of CNOOC, just inked a deal with Devon

January 2012

http://www.gordonenergysolutions.com/On-Point/index.cfm/2012/1/5/Sinopec-Joins-CNOOC-in-Major-North-American-Unconventional-Resource-Deal

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/03/devonenergycorp-idUSL3E8C36L720120103

Both of these companies have become huge global energy companies, with Sinopec listed as 22nd, and CNOOC listed as 34th.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-03/sinopec-cnooc-parent-rise-in-oil-consultant-s-top-100-list-on-purchases.html

While this is pure idle speculation, it does seem to fit at least some of the tidbits that people have been hearing.

Per the Chamber – North American Headquarters for large International Company
Many people have posted that they heard that “An Energy Company” wants to establish a headquarters in Oklahoma City.

Both companies are expanding rapidly and also have been going through great lengths to get established in North America.

With Multi-Billion Dollar Partnerships with two prominent Oklahoma City Companies, is it such a stretch that they would need to establish a North American Headquarters? And if so, what better place to establish said Headquarters than next to their large business partners right here in Oklahoma City??

I know We're all excited over the things that have recently happened,here in OKC but We have only seen a fraction of what is to come!Only the tip of the iceburg.The economy is picking up and OKC is very attractive to investors,and We might even see an actual "boom" in OKC,that some people would never have even dreamed of!Watch what additional develpment/investment OKC will see for the next few Years and it will rival the past decade!That's just my two cents,take it for what it's worth,but I mean hey who am I to speculate on these matters?

As I have said many times - just wait until streetcar tracks start get put down.

Yea, it isn't the jobs and the money pouring in, it's the streetcars causing the boom. Lol

I've said this before, I'll say it again. This is feeling like 1982 again... trust me when I say you don't want to relive 1983.

In 1982, Oklahoma Tower was just completed, and Valliance Bank Tower and Leadership Square was under construction.

This is a true feeding frenzy!! But the speculation is fun so have at it!

This has been stated before but high standards have been set by Devon, the Myriad Gardens and SandRidge.

Whatever comes next almost has to be a cut above what we saw with the Oklahoma, Corporate and Mid America Towers.

It'll be great when people do a Google image search of Oklahoma City and see Devon Tower in the photos instead of the old skyline. The average person has to search a little to find anything new that's going on here still.

As I have said many times - just wait until streetcar tracks start get put down.

Yeah JTF, I see the streetcar spurring midrise residential more than skyscrapers. I see 8-10 story residential with retail on the ground floor following the tracks.

I hope it spurs some infill on Automobile Alley. I just love that area. It is the red headed step child of the OKC Chamber and City Big Wigs. They leave it out of every presentation and any pr that it should have.

It would be nice if we had one or two 15-30 story residential along the streetcar route. Kind of like what has been happening in Portland.

For me, I can easily understand why California and Texas are negative... OKC is certainly in the center of the nation; the cost of many things there are lower and, your city is also advantaged due to the fact that the old way of thinking (by old city govt) "We don't want to be like Dallas", is beginning to see the light.

My only concern is that there will still remain another energy bust. This is why I hope that OKC will try to diversify their industries.

Whatever you decide to do, GO FOR IT!!!! :yourock:

nm

I've said this before, I'll say it again. This is feeling like 1982 again... trust me when I say you don't want to relive 1983.

Is that actually at risk of happening? Obviously OKC could take some hits for a variety of reasons: Chesapeake leaving OKC one way or another because of Aubrey's riskiness the entire country's economy crashing, or oil plummeting to like $40/barrel. But unless all those things happen simultaneously OKC should continue to press forward. Furthermore, it seems to me natural gas is undervalued. If natural gas were to take off all over the country, I would harbor a guess that more than a couple skyscrapers will arise.

The problem with 1983, was the 10 year recovery correction it took from the failure of Penn Square Bank. I think our local banking industry is much stronger and less reckless than back in the early eighties. The mild winter has hindered natural gas prices, but the break even cost of NG is somewhere around the $2.50 range per thousand, lets hope it doesn't dip below that.