Not according to some people apparently "in the know" here.

I think there was an exodus of Oklahoma companies to Houston when the Gulf was really cooking. Don't think it is as active as the mid-continent is with the shale plays and Mississippi lime formation that has come into play in the last 2 years.

Just curious.. On a scale of 1-10, how likely is this????(Conoco Phillips relocation)


-50.

This is not happening. There was NEVER anything to this rumor and there has never been any chance of it happening. From shortly after the first announcement of the separation of ConocoPhillips into ConocoPhillips and Phillips66 it was clear that the spun-off Phillips 66 would move out of the ConocoPhillips HQ but remain in the Houston area. There has never been any reason whatsoever to think that ConocoPhillips would relocate after the spinoff.

The answer to Spartan's question:

Kevin Roche John Dinkeloo and Associates were the architects of the Conoco campus. Pickard Chilton designed the more-recent "west campus".

Just curious.. On a scale of 1-10, how likely is this????(Conoco Phillips relocation)

8, there are more reasons why this makes sense, then reasons why it doesn't make sense. There is a lot of smoke around this...we just have to wait it out...

Pickard Chilton designed Exxon/Mobile's new campus north of Houston also.

The E/M R&D is relocating from the Galleria area to the new campus.

Not according to some people apparently "in the know" here.

Great, but it is not happening. Neither Conoco, Phillips, nor any derivation of the two is relocating to OKC.

Even if we get only 1 out of 3 potential new headquarters to build a tower in downtown, that would be 2 major skyscrapers in just the last few years, that is unheard of for a city our size. To get all 3 would be simply ridiculousness...lol...

wasn't there a lot of smoke about ConocoPhillips moving their HQ or research facilities or something to just outside of Denver a few years ago?

My co-worker told me it is Conoco, Inc. wanting to move back to Oklahoma and they never wanted to move to Houston in the first place when they merged, but Phillips pushed relocating to Houston. But it looks like Conoco wants to come back, and I wouldn't be surprises if Devon has their hand in it...

This is one of the red flags in this whole silly rumor. Conoco was already headquartered in Houston long before their merger with then-Bartlesville-based Phillips. This makes it pretty clear your co-worker doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

wasn't there a lot of smoke about ConocoPhillips moving their HQ or research facilities or something to just outside of Denver a few years ago?

I believe they built an alternative energy research facility out there.

This is one of the red flags in this whole silly rumor. Conoco was already headquartered in Houston long before their merger with then-Bartlesville-based Phillips. This makes it pretty clear your co-worker doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

Wrong, Conoco was based in Ponca City, Ok, and Phillips in Bartlesville, they merged and formed ConocPhillips and moved to Houston, do your research buddy...

Wrong, Conoco was based in Ponca City, Ok, and Phillips in Bartlesville, they merged and formed ConocPhillips and moved to Houston, do your research buddy...

Wow. Look it up dude. Conoco has not been headquartered in Ponca City since 1949.

I believe they built an alternative energy research facility out there.

Wrong again:

Boulder County Business Report | Today's News | Phillips won't build, to sell Louisville land (http://www.bcbr.com/article/20121017/NEWS/121019927)

8, there are more reasons why this makes sense, then reasons why it doesn't make sense. There is a lot of smoke around this...we just have to wait it out...

It does make a lot of sense, but a lot of things make a lot of sense. I'm hesitant to be as firmly negative as OnlyOne, but the reality is that this is an economic development deal that is still in the works. If OKC scores, it will require a LOT in the way of state incentives, OKC schmoozing, and so on.

The first problem with corporate relocation to OKC is that our educational attainment is too low. CP may have concerns about being able to attract top talent while competing against DVN/CHK and other local companies that have better-established pipelines from OU/OSU. No doubt CP relocating would dramatically increase OKC's pull factor for the young, educated demographic, but in order to get the companies that left for Texas to come back north you've also got to get the college graduates to come north.

We have the ED infrastructure in place to pull off deals like this, with the Chamber having some of the top ED professionals in the field, and the Alliance providing such an effective, smooth pipeline for public-private partnerships. So we'll just have to see. Getting a major relocation at this point in the game may be a little ahead of schedule, but I'd say that OKC has a fair chance. Keep in mind last time there was a major relocation project (Boeing), OKC made it to the final round but did not come out on top, but obviously made a good impression with Boeing that turned into thousands of jobs a few years later.

Um... Conoco was HQ'd in Ponca City. Are we really debating that fact?

Wrong again:

Boulder County Business Report | Today's News | Phillips won't build, to sell Louisville land (http://www.bcbr.com/article/20121017/NEWS/121019927)

I had not noticed that the plan had been canceled, but the plan was indeed for an alternative energy research facility, not for any HQ relocation. (from the linked article: "Phillips 66's corporate focus did not seem to be aligned with the vision for the research center, which was to develop alternative fuels,").

Instead of wasting your time on that non-issue, why don't you do a little research in to the history of Conoco? Here, let me help you out. This is from the Federal Trade Commission:

Parties to the Transaction

Headquartered in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Phillips is an integrated oil company engaged in the worldwide exploration, production, and transportation of crude oil and natural gas; the gathering of natural gas; the fractionation of raw mix into certain products; refining, marketing, and transportation of petroleum products; and the production and marketing of chemicals. Phillips has approximately 10 percent of the nation's refining capacity and has about nine percent of the nation's gasoline sales. In 2001 it had revenues of $47.7 billion.

Conoco, headquartered in Houston, Texas, is also a fully integrated petroleum company engaged in the worldwide exploration, production, and transportation of crude oil and natural gas; gathering of natural gas; fractionation; and refining, marketing, and transportation of petroleum products. In 2001, the company had revenues of $39.5 billion. (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/08/phillipsconoco.shtm)

Um... Conoco was HQ'd in Ponca City. Are we really debating that fact?

That's what I said...lol...

The "Roaring 20s" came to an end for Ponca City shortly before the Great Depression. After a successful takeover bid by J.P. Morgan, Jr., son of financier J.P. Morgan, Marland Oil Co. merged with Continental Oil Co. (Conoco) in the late 1920s.[9] It was known as Conoco for more than 70 years. The company maintained its headquarters in Ponca City during this time and continued to grow into a global corporation.

During the oil boom years of the 1980s, Conoco was owned by the DuPont Corp., which took control of the company in 1981.[9] After nearly two decades of ownership and an oil bust that crippled Oklahoma's economy in the late 1980s, DuPont sold off its Conoco assets in 1998.[9] In 2002, Conoco had merged with Phillips Petroleum (another major petroleum player with roots in northern Oklahoma) to become ConocoPhillips.[9] ConocoPhillips was then the sixth-largest publicly traded oil company in the world, and the third largest in the United States.[9] It maintains a significant presence in its historic home state.

Um... Conoco was HQ'd in Ponca City. Are we really debating that fact?

No, we are not debating whether Conoco was at one time in its distant past HQ'd in Ponca City.

We are debating whether they were headquartered in Ponca City at the time they merged with Phillips. This being the premise of the whole rumor that Conoco now wants to relocate its HQ to OKC, it's truth (or non-truth, as it happens) is key to appraising the rumor.

I had not noticed that the plan had been canceled, but the plan was indeed for an alternative energy research facility, not for any HQ relocation. (from the linked article: "Phillips 66's corporate focus did not seem to be aligned with the vision for the research center, which was to develop alternative fuels,").

Instead of wasting your time on that non-issue, why don't you do a little research in to the history of Conoco? Here, let me help you out. This is from the Federal Trade Commission:

Parties to the Transaction

Headquartered in Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Phillips is an integrated oil company engaged in the worldwide exploration, production, and transportation of crude oil and natural gas; the gathering of natural gas; the fractionation of raw mix into certain products; refining, marketing, and transportation of petroleum products; and the production and marketing of chemicals. Phillips has approximately 10 percent of the nation's refining capacity and has about nine percent of the nation's gasoline sales. In 2001 it had revenues of $47.7 billion.

Conoco, headquartered in Houston, Texas, is also a fully integrated petroleum company engaged in the worldwide exploration, production, and transportation of crude oil and natural gas; gathering of natural gas; fractionation; and refining, marketing, and transportation of petroleum products. In 2001, the company had revenues of $39.5 billion. (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/08/phillipsconoco.shtm)

Tucy.. why don't you go check out Ponca City? It's a beautiful little town, great historic downtown and neighborhoods. Their city hall was recently renovated with CP money and they just put in an awesome streetscape for their downtown area. The monolithic big office buildings south of town were Conoco's, still are, but mostly empty I think. Kinda sad, but Ponca's done an awesome job of holding on. Most importantly, I believe they have a museum about the Conoco legacy there. Also, check out the Marland Mansion.

ConocoPhillips split is deja vu for Ponca City, Bartlesville | Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20120429_49_E5_CUTLIN755888)

Employed 1,900 in Ponca at the merger.

By the way, Wiki says Conoco moved to Houston in 1994, not the 1940s, not 2002. However even in the late 90s the corporate bigwigs were in Ponca. Also, Hamm lived in Nichols Hills for years before Continental made the trip downtown..

No, we are not debating whether Conoco was at one time in its distant past HQ'd in Ponca City.

We are debating whether they were headquartered in Ponca City at the time they merged with Phillips. This being the premise of the whole rumor that Conoco now wants to relocate its HQ to OKC, it's truth (or non-truth, as it happens) is key to appraising the rumor.

This relocation would have little to do with the past, you have to look at the present and future for an E&P company. The focus is on oil and the shale fields are now more mid-continent rather than the gulf. Forget the past, look to the future.

This relocation would have little to do with the past, you have to look at the present and future for an E&P company. The focus is on oil and the shale fields are now more mid-continent rather than the gulf. Forget the past, look to the future.

Yeah, I think the Anadarko and Bakken and other Great Plains plays rule the roost right now.

The "Roaring 20s" came to an end for Ponca City shortly before the Great Depression. After a successful takeover bid by J.P. Morgan, Jr., son of financier J.P. Morgan, Marland Oil Co. merged with Continental Oil Co. (Conoco) in the late 1920s.[9] It was known as Conoco for more than 70 years. The company maintained its headquarters in Ponca City during this time and continued to grow into a global corporation.

During the oil boom years of the 1980s, Conoco was owned by the DuPont Corp., which took control of the company in 1981.[9] After nearly two decades of ownership and an oil bust that crippled Oklahoma's economy in the late 1980s, DuPont sold off its Conoco assets in 1998.[9] In 2002, Conoco had merged with Phillips Petroleum (another major petroleum player with roots in northern Oklahoma) to become ConocoPhillips.[9] ConocoPhillips was then the sixth-largest publicly traded oil company in the world, and the third largest in the United States.[9] It maintains a significant presence in its historic home state.


Not sure what the point of this post was. But Conoco moved its headquarters to Houston in approximately 1949. When it was bought by DuPont the headquarters were officially in Connecticut and then Delaware, but operations HQ was still in Houston. Then sometime the HQ was shifed back to Houston, certainly no later than 1999, when DuPont spun off Conoco. Even the Wikipedia page from which you copied your information states that the headquarters was moved to Houston in 1994, 8 years before the merger with Phillips. (someone apparently transposed the numbers. It is an absolute fact that Conoco has been headquartered in Houston for many decades.

History of ConocoPhillips – FundingUniverse (http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/conocophillips-history/)

Link to a 1989 story about Conoco's new headquarters campus in western Houston, completed in 1985, including a mention of their relocation from, not Ponca City, but Greenway Plaza. (Prior to Greenway Plaza, Conoco's headquarters was in downtown Houston.) (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEEQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcitemag.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2FFloatingOfficeConc o_Stern_Cite23.pdf&ei=kD2IUPHvCMneqAH_6ICoDg&usg=AFQjCNFTCNiE3feDFoBoTb_xEpTVLq6UNg)

Tucy.. why don't you go check out Ponca City? It's a beautiful little town, great historic downtown and neighborhoods. Their city hall was recently renovated with CP money and they just put in an awesome streetscape for their downtown area. The monolithic big office buildings south of town were Conoco's, still are, but mostly empty I think. Kinda sad, but Ponca's done an awesome job of holding on. Most importantly, I believe they have a museum about the Conoco legacy there. Also, check out the Marland Mansion.

Yeah, I've been there. Several times. Very nice indeed.

This relocation would have little to do with the past, you have to look at the present and future for an E&P company. The focus is on oil and the shale fields are now more mid-continent rather than the gulf. Forget the past, look to the future.

Yes, this imagined relocation has little to do with the past, including the long-ago past of Conoco's headquarters having once been in Oklahoma many decades ago. ;-)

ConocoPhillips split is deja vu for Ponca City, Bartlesville | Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20120429_49_E5_CUTLIN755888)

Employed 1,900 in Ponca at the merger.

By the way, Wiki says Conoco moved to Houston in 1994, not the 1940s, not 2002. However even in the late 90s the corporate bigwigs were in Ponca. Also, Hamm lived in Nichols Hills for years before Continental made the trip downtown..

It's ok Spartan, don't worry about it, give tucy the benefit of the doubt, he is just a rookie to OKCTALK...

ConocoPhillips split is deja vu for Ponca City, Bartlesville | Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20120429_49_E5_CUTLIN755888)

Employed 1,900 in Ponca at the merger.

By the way, Wiki says Conoco moved to Houston in 1994, not the 1940s, not 2002. However even in the late 90s the corporate bigwigs were in Ponca. Also, Hamm lived in Nichols Hills for years before Continental made the trip downtown..

You are flat-out wrong about the Conoco corporate bigwigs still being in Ponca in the nineties. I've been in the oil business in Oklahoma and Texas since the mid-80s and have done deals directly with Conoco. That is just incorrect. The top guys at Conoco have been in Houston for many many many years. (Yes, I'm sure there were still a few people in Ponca that might have been categorized as "big-wigs", but the biggest of big-wigs and the vast majority of all big-wigs were in Houston long before the 1990s.

Wilmington Deleware was never Conoco's HQ. It might have been incorporated there like 90% of the other companies in the US, but never had a presence.

the museum is great in ponca city. in fact here is part of their educational curriculum from the museum

http://www.conocomuseum.com/EN/Documents/5566124pcmuseumcorriculum-web.pdf

and if you scroll down to page 53 and look at Conoco Museum Jeopardy on this page, you will see this question

"2. 200 pts. Texas city where Conoco was headquartered.
Answer: What is Houston?"

The HQ has been many places... it was in Manhattan for a couple decades if i remember correctly (i think this was when they were a subsidiary of Dupont). They have just always had a large presence and offices in Ponca because of the refinery and the history... But at the time of the merger in 2002, the World Headquarters for Conoco, INC was in Houston TX


correction... i was wrong... the move of the World Headquarters to Manhattan occurred in 1965... and the Dupont purchase was after that

Chesapeake is currently incorporated in Delaware, too.

I guess they were never HQ'd in OKC after all!

Chesapeake is currently incorporated in Delaware, too.

I guess they were never HQ'd in OKC after all!

who cares about where something is incorporated? the facts are that while Conoco still had a very large presence in Ponca City in the spring of 2002, the World HQ was located in Houston, TX, by their own admission. All that tucy was trying to make the point of was that it was not Phillips who convinced Conoco to move their HQ to Houston after the merger in 2002, because the World HQ for Conoco was already in Houston, at the Conoco Center.

Now i'm not saying that this means that ConocoPhillips isn't looking at moving their HQ to OKC. and i'm not saying that when the merger happened in 2002, that the people at Conoco in Ponca City (of which there were many) didn't want to stay in Ponca City. And i'm not saying that after the merger, that people from Ponca City weren't moved to Houston. I'm trying to say that the person who said that Phillips is the one that wanted them to move to Houston is wrong, cause Conoco was already there...

Hopefully Pete has some good inside news for us after his "meetings"...I just want to know one, I don't care about the other 2, lol...

Chesapeake is currently incorporated in Delaware, too.

I guess they were never HQ'd in OKC after all!

Dude, the state of incorporation has NOTHING to do with the location of the headquarters.

Wilmington Deleware was never Conoco's HQ. It might have been incorporated there like 90% of the other companies in the US, but never had a presence.

Actually I think it was. During part of the time they were owned by DuPont. The operational HQ was clearly in Houston during the times referenced in the article linked below, but they apparently had a small east coast executive HQ.

STAMFORD TO LOSE CONOCO - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/06/business/stamford-to-lose-conoco.html)

articles from Houston Chronicle in 2001 (before merger) And all refer to Conoco as a Houston based company, and talk about companies headquarters in houston
Conoco moving 125 workers here - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/default/article/Conoco-moving-125-workers-here-2004579.php)
Conoco to purchase Gulf Canada for $4.3 billion - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/default/article/Conoco-to-purchase-Gulf-Canada-for-4-3-billion-2053482.php)
Conoco, Phillips agree to merge - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/default/article/Conoco-Phillips-agree-to-merge-2030854.php)

infact in that last article i think i understand that issue... Phillips shareholders actually had the majority (56.6%) and they chose for the new corporations HQ to be in Houston (at the location where Conoco's HQ already was) instead of Bartlesville... maybe that is what they meant about Phillips making the HQ in Houston

Awhile ago I said the "rumors" I heard of what mystery corporation was looking to relocate to OKC would make people's jaws drop if it came to fruition. ConocoPhillips was the corporation I was referring to, or at least one of the split portions of the corporation. I thought it would be announced by now, but the fact that it hasn't makes me wonder if the plans are off or are delayed (or on schedule and I was just led to think it would happen sooner). I know people were skeptical at the time that any part of CP would move from Houston, but my information came directly from someone involved in the talks for relocation, so at the very least the idea is not as absurdP as some thought.

This is what I was basing my speculation off of more than Gwalker's statement.

I'm still very skeptical as well but people also doubted whether the Devon tower would get built and whether continental would move here with firm "absolutely not" type statements that Onlyone and tucy have made. Yes, this is rumor is a lot further out there than those, but people don't just post crazy things on this site to get a rise out of people. If someone is claiming that they have reason to believe something is more than speculation, given what people have predicted here, I have a difficult time completely dismissing it.

Here's another source - a 2009 Tulsa World story:

Conoco moved its headquarters to Houston decades ago but kept a strong presence in Ponca City. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=20090218_49_A1 _PONCAC92079&PrintComments=1)

Actually I think it was. During part of the time they were owned by DuPont. The operational HQ was clearly in Houston during the times referenced in the article linked below, but they apparently had a small east coast executive HQ.

STAMFORD TO LOSE CONOCO - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/06/business/stamford-to-lose-conoco.html)

I'm not sure if that was Conoco's HQ, or Dupont's HQ that ran Conoco, that was moved to Delaware. I would think that Conoco's HQ, no mattter where it was located, had more than 180 employees

This is what I was basing my speculation off of more than Gwalker's statement.

I'm still very skeptical as well but people also doubted whether the Devon tower would get built and whether continental would move here with firm "absolutely not" type statements that Onlyone and tucy have made. Yes, this is rumor is a lot further out there than those, but people don't just post crazy things on this site to get a rise out of people. If someone is claiming that they have reason to believe something is more than speculation, given what people have predicted here, I have a difficult time completely dismissing it.


I'm guessing the person referred to by King183 works for the OKC Chamber of Commerce, or something similar.

No doubt the minute the CP split-up hit the news, every chamber of commerce anywhere near the oil patch was making pitches for the potential relocation of one or both pieces. The problem is, those talks for relocation were pretty much one-sided. There MIGHT have been some glancing at other cities for the new Phillips HQ, but that contest was over 4 months after the split was announced. There has NEVER been any interest in relocating the CP HQ after the split.

Think about it for a moment. Why would Phillips be moving out to temporary offices and buying property and preparing to start construction on a brand new world HQ facility if there was any possibility of CP vacating their huge campus?

The beauty of these web forums is that you can post rumors that may or may not seem crazy to you and benefit from the insight of another set of eyes, including those of people who have a whole different set of experiences and knowledge. Thus, we exposed GWalker's source as not really knowing what he was talking about.

There is nothing wrong with posting crazy rumors and there is nothing wrong with pointing out the holes in the rumors.

Here's another source - a 2009 Tulsa World story:

Conoco moved its headquarters to Houston decades ago but kept a strong presence in Ponca City. (http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/printerfriendlystory.aspx?articleid=20090218_49_A1 _PONCAC92079&PrintComments=1)

OK the last two pages of this thread have gone completely off topic.

I'm not sure if that was Conoco's HQ, or Dupont's HQ that ran Conoco, that was moved to Delaware. I would think that Conoco's HQ, no mattter where it was located, had more than 180 employees

According to the linked story, it was clearly the Conoco HQ. When companies have their executive HQ separated from the operations, the HQ can be quite small. ExxonMobil, the world's largest company, with over 80,000 employees worldwide, has executive HQ at an office park in Irving TX, with around 400 employees (I think fewer than 400).

OK the last two pages of this thread have gone completely off topic.

No they haven't. We are discussing a rumored headquarter relocation to OKC. ;-)

No there has been a pissing contest about where the Conoco HQ was located years ago -- irrelevant to the topic.

Why can't we all get along and just agree that if they moved here it would badass!!!!!

No there has been a pissing contest about where the Conoco HQ was located years ago -- irrelevant to the topic.

I am confident that CP might relocate here as well as other energy companies, we just have to wait and see. But I would be even more excited if a non-energy company would relocate and add some diversity to our industry...but we need to take what we can get...lol...:ou

No there has been a pissing contest about where the Conoco HQ was located years ago -- irrelevant to the topic.
Bingo.

I'm not sure if that was Conoco's HQ, or Dupont's HQ that ran Conoco, that was moved to Delaware. I would think that Conoco's HQ, no mattter where it was located, had more than 180 employees

Well, Conoco has never been shy about moving its headquarters in the past. Five HQ moves in less than 30 years.


Conoco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conoco)


From Wikipedia:


Before the merger, Conoco had its headquarters in what is now the current ConocoPhillips headquarters in the Energy Corridor of Houston; the complex was formerly known as the Conoco Center.[4][5]

The headquarters of Conoco moved to Houston, Texas, in 1949.[1] In 1965, the headquarters moved to Manhattan, New York City. In 1972, the headquarters moved to Stamford, Connecticut; in Stamford Conoco occupied space in the three story High Ridge Park complex.[6] In 1982, DuPont announced that Conoco's headquarters would move from Stamford to Wilmington, Delaware.[7] The move occurred in 1982.[3] Edward G. Jefferson, the chairperson of DuPont, said that the headquarters relocation was to bring the head workforces of DuPont and Conoco together. DuPont also announced that it was closing the Conoco offices in Stamford; the lease in the Stamford complex was originally scheduled to expire in 1992.[6]

OK the last two pages of this thread have gone completely off topic.

Uhhhh yeah, the thread has been derailed over an argument that should be created in and of its own thread. G. Walker should know better as he is a veteran on this site. I don't blame tucy one bit, although he's reminding me of the "2013 and trains still have to blow their horns" guy.

Dude, the state of incorporation has NOTHING to do with the location of the headquarters.

You insinuated it first. I know I was just responding to a series of posts with Delaware in it, so don't get all assertive with me. I don't have a horse in this Ponca-Houston race, but I tend to think G.Walker is more credible than you. I tend to think Thunder is more credible than you because you were saying something about leaving Ponca in the 1940s.

The problem is that you raise a good point that it was obviously Conoco that made the Houston plunge first and brought Phillips into the mix there, not vice versa. That got shrouded by your personal warring with G.Walker and making ludicrous claims about leaving Ponca in the 40s and then getting defensive about who killed Princess Diana and who invented peanut butter, among a host of other ancillary issues.

I had a fairly matter-of-fact post about CP strictly from an economic development deal perspective that got completely passed up by this nonsense you initiated. I'd rather talk about that, bringing this down to earth, examining ALL that it would take to get CP here. Hint: It's a helluva lot more than just a building.

...Think about it for a moment. Why would Phillips be moving out to temporary offices and buying property and preparing to start construction on a brand new world HQ facility if there was any possibility of CP vacating their huge campus? ...

I do not think Phillips is moving here and most of the discussion has been CP moving. Why would they stay if CP was vacating, it is roughly three times the size they would need that they would have to operate and maintain.

You insinuated it first. I know I was just responding to a series of posts with Delaware in it, so don't get all assertive with me. I don't have a horse in this Ponca-Houston race, but I tend to think G.Walker is more credible than you. I tend to think Thunder is more credible than you because you were saying something about leaving Ponca in the 1940s.

The problem is that you raise a good point that it was obviously Conoco that made the Houston plunge first and brought Phillips into the mix there, not vice versa. That got shrouded by your personal warring with G.Walker and making ludicrous claims about leaving Ponca in the 40s and then getting defensive about who killed Princess Diana and who invented peanut butter, among a host of other ancillary issues.

I had a fairly matter-of-fact post about CP strictly from an economic development deal perspective that got completely passed up by this nonsense you initiated. I'd rather talk about that, bringing this down to earth, examining ALL that it would take to get CP here. Hint: It's a helluva lot more than just a building.


Surely, you're smart enough to know I made no such insinuation.

If being wrong is so hard on you, perhaps you should try remaining silent on topics about which you don't know anything.

I sincerely apologize to the forum if some are offended by the topic going ever-so-slightly off-course. It seems to me to be useful to examine rumors and to share information that makes the rumors either more or less credible. That is all I attempted to do. When the facts I posted were attacked, I'm sorry that I posted more sources and backup to support my statements. I thought the forum members would appreciate getting to the truth of the matter.

It is a simple, easily verifiable fact, that Conoco's headquarters was not located in Oklahoma at the time of the merger with Phillips (and it indeed moved its HQ out of Oklahoma in the 1940s). When the source of the relocation rumor thinks that Conoco moved its HQ to Houston in 2002 as a result of Phillips' insistence, well, it seems useful to me to know that information is false, making the rumor source less than credible.

Anyone interested in facts rather than just making points on a forum (or whatever floats their boats), could have taken a couple minutes to research rather than just throw out false information regarding the history of Conoco.

It does make a lot of sense, but a lot of things make a lot of sense. I'm hesitant to be as firmly negative as OnlyOne, but the reality is that this is an economic development deal that is still in the works. If OKC scores, it will require a LOT in the way of state incentives, OKC schmoozing, and so on.

The first problem with corporate relocation to OKC is that our educational attainment is too low. CP may have concerns about being able to attract top talent while competing against DVN/CHK and other local companies that have better-established pipelines from OU/OSU. No doubt CP relocating would dramatically increase OKC's pull factor for the young, educated demographic, but in order to get the companies that left for Texas to come back north you've also got to get the college graduates to come north.

We have the ED infrastructure in place to pull off deals like this, with the Chamber having some of the top ED professionals in the field, and the Alliance providing such an effective, smooth pipeline for public-private partnerships. So we'll just have to see. Getting a major relocation at this point in the game may be a little ahead of schedule, but I'd say that OKC has a fair chance. Keep in mind last time there was a major relocation project (Boeing), OKC made it to the final round but did not come out on top, but obviously made a good impression with Boeing that turned into thousands of jobs a few years later.

Here, Spartan. I bumped your post up so it can get the attention it deserves.

Surely, you're smart enough to know I made no such insinuation.

If being wrong is so hard on you, perhaps you should try remaining silent on topics about which you don't know anything.

I sincerely apologize to the forum if some are offended by the topic going ever-so-slightly off-course. It seems to me to be useful to examine rumors and to share information that makes the rumors either more or less credible. That is all I attempted to do. When the facts I posted were attacked, I'm sorry that I posted more sources and backup to support my statements. I thought the forum members would appreciate getting to the truth of the matter.

It is a simple, easily verifiable fact, that Conoco's headquarters was not located in Oklahoma at the time of the merger with Phillips (and it indeed moved its HQ out of Oklahoma in the 1940s). When the source of the relocation rumor thinks that Conoco moved its HQ to Houston in 2002 as a result of Phillips' insistence, well, it seems useful to me to know that information is false, making the rumor source less than credible.

Anyone interested in facts rather than just making points on a forum (or whatever floats their boats), could have taken a couple minutes to research rather than just throw out false information regarding the history of Conoco.

Our disagreement is just between 1940 and 1994, and I have a source too. Sorry if I came down too hard on you, I just don't like seeing flame wars initiated on posters I like since I know how annoying it is

Awaiting Pete's intervention in 3....2....1....

Shyeah, this is all so getting deleted..lol

As a personal preference, I would just like to see one 40-45, 650'+ tower on the Stage Center or Preftakes block, whether it be ConocoPhillips, Midfirst, or whoever, I really don't care, just as long as they embrace street-level pedestrian interaction.Then 6-8 story mixed used infill developments in and around the CBD, I would be content with that.

This thread is 'speculation, news and ideas'. It's basically wide open for input from all sources, whether we agree or not to an expressed opinion, it's very good to hear from all sources as a means to put the next project in the forefront as soon as possible.

Thanks to everyones knowledge and contributions, hopefully we'll be 'in the know' when something does happen.

I'm still hoping we see several things put on Stage Center site, one of which being a 650+ tower. And i still want to see a 350+ tower on the 4th and EKG plot. And I want to see a large (hopefully 350+) High Density Residential built right off the new central park soon.

I'm still hoping we see several things put on Stage Center site, one of which being a 650+ tower. And i still want to see a 350+ tower on the 4th and EKG plot. And I want to see a large (hopefully 350+) High Density Residential built right off the new central park soon.

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all that... and more!

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My friends have commented that I want to see OKC turn into New York. I want lots of towers, lots of development, lots of people. And that's probably an accurate statement. A large tower on the Stage Center site, another on the back side of the Preftakes block, Sandridge putting up a new building, then another building on 4th and EKG, a convention hotel tower, and then maybe a good sized residential tower. Get all that started within the next 5 years and I'll be thrilled. I doubt all that will happen, but it's on the edge of possible. Of course, once those are built, I'd push for more to come later.

I want to see infill in the rest of the downtown area, turning parking lots into 6-10 story buildings. I think we'll start to see things like this talked about once Deep Deuce fills up and demand for downtown apartments still exists. I'd love it if we surrounded our central park with nice midrises like Central Park West in New York.

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This kind of development will take decades, but I think we need to steer development in that direction. That's my vision for OKC anyway.