Steve is mysteriously quiet (was there even a live chat on Friday?, if so I missed it and couldn't find transcripts).

I think something BIG is about to burst! And I hope/pray it is a revised Stage Centre tower proposal of at least 30 floors (mixed use office on bottom hotel on top) AND the Preftakes block redevelopment proposal which includes a 45+ floor tower and garage(s) with retail on first floors.

Yes, I am likely dreaming but as I mentioned, Steve is remarkably quiet/absent as is this thread. ...

Absolutely nothing to indicate the OG&E building will be more than 16 to 18 stories.

Something is going to happen at Main & Hudson and I expect we'll learn more in the next few months.

Looks like this has gone dormant again.

Noooo...must...revive....

Noooo...must...revive....

*grabs paddles* CLEAR!! *zap*

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Possibly more appropriate for the thread than intended, Iron Eyes was a Native American impersonator of Italian descent.

Some Italians would disagree. He was Sicilian.

Inconceivable!

Pete, or really anyone? What is the chance OKC sees a 700'ft plus tall tower built within the next five years?

I don't think anyone can give you a good answer on that. Pete could be positive that 3 new towers would be announced tomorrow, but what if they all come in at 699 feet?

I don't think anyone can give you a good answer on that. Pete could be positive that 3 new towers would be announced tomorrow, but what if they all come in at 699 feet?
That'd still be 3 towers that bridge the gap...

Pete, or really anyone? What is the chance OKC sees a 700'ft plus tall tower built within the next five years?

Really have no idea, although I believe the Main & Hudson tower could approach that height.

Anything above 500 ft will be a complete game changer for OKC. Right now, the Devon tower is the only tower above 500 ft. The Chase tower is right at that mark.

Anything above 500 ft will be a complete game changer for OKC. Right now, the Devon tower is the only tower above 500 ft. The Chase tower is right at that mark.
I thought the Chase tower was above 500?

I thought the Chase tower was above 500?
500 ft exactly.

Steve references a couple of Mystery Towers in this article -

Investment in ongoing downtown, development could reach $1 billion | News OK (http://newsok.com/investment-in-ongoing-downtown-development-could-reach-1-billion/article/5011767)

Since this story is locked for some, it states that Main & Hudson and Clayco south of the SC site will more than likely have major high rises.

Steve references a couple of Mystery Towers in this article -

Investment in ongoing downtown, development could reach $1 billion | News OK (http://newsok.com/investment-in-ongoing-downtown-development-could-reach-1-billion/article/5011767)

Please let's not go down this road again, we have speculating and reading about possible new towers for years, but nothing has popped yet!

Please let's not go down this road again, we have speculating and reading about possible new towers for years, but nothing has popped yet!

Please read the thread title - ( speculation, news and ideas).... all jest aside, he's looking at a 2015 start on these IIRC.

Please let's not go down this road again, we have speculating and reading about possible new towers for years, but nothing has popped yet!

True. December 2013, as per Steve, was supposed to see a slew of announcements that would supposedly blow everyone away yet nothing popped.

True. December 2013, as per Steve, was supposed to see a slew of announcements that would supposedly blow everyone away yet nothing popped.

I feel like you've mentioned that before...


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Investment in ongoing downtown, development could reach $1 billion | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/investment-in-ongoing-downtown-development-could-reach-1-billion/article/5011767)

Investment in ongoing downtown, development could reach $1 billion | NewsOK.com (http://m.newsok.com/investment-in-ongoing-downtown-development-could-reach-1-billion/article/5011767)

This is exciting. However, driving around Oklahoma City this weekend, I was really taken aback by what I saw. This city is in great disrepair north, south, east and west. I hope we continue downtown growth, but I'd like to see divided thoroughfares, nice looking lamps in the new medians, replace old and aged signage, throw in a few fountains, so many possibilities. This city is in dire need of some TLC in the way of beautification.

I only mention it here because this city won't be worth squat if we have 30 towers downtown and everything else is rundown.

We'll never have the money to beautify the city if we keep expanding ever outward.

We'll never have the money to beautify the city if we keep expanding ever outward.

While I agree with your sentiment, as they say, "That train done left the depot." If we hadn't expanded another inch over the last ten years, we'd still be in this situation.

This is exciting. However, driving around Oklahoma City this weekend, I was really taken aback by what I saw. This city is in great disrepair north, south, east and west. I hope we continue downtown growth, but I'd like to see divided thoroughfares, nice looking lamps in the new medians, replace old and aged signage, throw in a few fountains, so many possibilities. This city is in dire need of some TLC in the way of beautification.

I only mention it here because this city won't be worth squat if we have 30 towers downtown and everything else is rundown.

I completely agree and have been saying this all along. Much of OKC is mindnumbingly ugly and run down. There are a few nice corridors but they are the exception moreso than the rule. A lot of people have called this town "America's largest truck stop." That perception is somewhat grounded in reality.

While I agree with your sentiment, as they say, "That train done left the depot." If we hadn't expanded another inch over the last ten years, we'd still be in this situation.

The best solution to this problem is to make sure everything built going forward is built with aesthetics in mind instead of as cheap as possible. Unfortunately I don't see much of a chance of that in OKC proper. Places like Edmond and Norman on the other hand are much more aesthetically pleasing and you can immediately tell when crossing into one of them from OKC proper.

I completely agree and have been saying this all along. Much of OKC is mindnumbingly ugly and run down. There are a few nice corridors but they are the exception moreso than the rule. A lot of people have called this town "America's largest truck stop." That perception is somewhat grounded in reality.

Okay, I think everyone has had enough of your one-note negative diatribe and agenda being interjected into every possible thread.

You're being granted a one-month vacation which will be made permanent if you can't learn to participate in at least a semi-constructive way.

:congrats:

:congrats:

I 2nd that. the constant negativity really gets to me after a while.

I completely agree and have been saying this all along. Much of OKC is mindnumbingly ugly and run down. There are a few nice corridors but they are the exception moreso than the rule. A lot of people have called this town "America's largest truck stop." That perception is somewhat grounded in reality.

Well, it's one thing to see disrepair in many parts of the city and want a beautification program. It's quite another for anybody to call our city "America's Largest Truck Stop." That's not even close to reality - at all.

Edit - Well, I see that ownership has had enough of the over the top negativity. It's one thing to see problems and offer solutions, ideas, etc. It's quite another to jump on every comment as an opportunity to stick the knife deeper into Oklahoma City at every possibility. You dislike it so much here, for your own sanity, you really should consider relocation.

You're being granted a one-month vacation which will be made permanent if you can't learn to participate in at least a semi-constructive way.

He's been granted or us? :yourock:

While I agree with your sentiment, as they say, "That train done left the depot." If we hadn't expanded another inch over the last ten years, we'd still be in this situation.

Very true. Our last bond issue that included streets and infrastructure repair is spending more on our city than all of MAPS 3 will and it's barely noticeable, save for some streets being smoother for a couple of years.

However, the best thing about doing what we've done with downtown is that it's momentum has been spreading outwards. As other areas improve and the stake holders begin to have more pride (and return) in their investments, they will more than likely be the ones that lead the beautification projects. Other than that, we really just don't have an economy that matches our geographical size. At least, not one that can pay for fountains in every square and decorative lights lining every street.

I'm newer to Oklahoma City, but despite some areas not very appealing to the eye, I still love it here. If I had the money and know how, I'd start a public initiative to beautify the city. Simple things would help. Cleaning up yards, painting ugly buildings (such as along Western Ave), and minor things. Curb appeal can really help. I am a believer that as time goes along we'll see improvements in the city's curb appeal and general looks. Especially if the economy of the city stays on this track.

While OKC is certainly no "truck stop," the areas along I-35 south of downtown all the way into Moore are very unappealing. Rundown industrial is not a good look to have up and down your most traveled thoroughfare.

With that being said, once you hit the new crosstown, points northward look fantastic.

I'm newer to Oklahoma City, but despite some areas not very appealing to the eye, I still love it here. If I had the money and know how, I'd start a public initiative to beautify the city. Simple things would help. Cleaning up yards, painting ugly buildings (such as along Western Ave), and minor things. Curb appeal can really help. I am a believer that as time goes along we'll see improvements in the city's curb appeal and general looks. Especially if the economy of the city stays on this track.

BIG EVENT for OKC! OU and OSU do it for Norman and Stillwater. I think focusing on one neighborhood at a time would be the easiest. Getting neighborhood associations formed to police and maintain the neighborhoods is crucial.

On another note..... I'm the anti-bchris02

I was having breakfast at Flint Sunday and I sat next to a couple from NY that moved here a few years ago. They love it. They had friends driving thru from NY to California sitting with them. They told their out of town friends, that they love it here because OKC suits their personalities... laid back and friendly. They were happy to get out of the NE and be in a more welcoming environment. They were tired of the cold weather and people.

Worlds Largest truck stop? Is Love's moving downtown?

Okay, I think everyone has had enough of your one-note negative diatribe and agenda being interjected into every possible thread.

You're being granted a one-month vacation which will be made permanent if you can't learn to participate in at least a semi-constructive way.

Thank you for this.

I completely agree and have been saying this all along. Much of OKC is mindnumbingly ugly and run down. There are a few nice corridors but they are the exception moreso than the rule. A lot of people have called this town "America's largest truck stop." That perception is somewhat grounded in reality.

You are truly the single most negative person I have ever come across. On the occasion someone else says something negative about OK or OKC, you even "like" the negative comments. My God, enough already!

Sorry......I commented before reading the rest of the thread.....

Okay, I think everyone has had enough of your one-note negative diatribe and agenda being interjected into every possible thread.

You're being granted a one-month vacation which will be made permanent if you can't learn to participate in at least a semi-constructive way.

Pete FTW...and the crowd goes wild!!!

There is definitely a difference between constructive criticism and blatant negativity. I think most of us appreciate the former but the latter is never necessary, nor does it add to the discussion. BChris seems incapable of being constructive in his criticisms and is almost becoming a troll. Thank you for giving us a break.


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Okay, I think everyone has had enough of your one-note negative diatribe and agenda being interjected into every possible thread.

You're being granted a one-month vacation which will be made permanent if you can't learn to participate in at least a semi-constructive way.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Everyones prayers have been answered.

While OKC is certainly no "truck stop," the areas along I-35 south of downtown all the way into Moore are very unappealing. Rundown industrial is not a good look to have up and down your most traveled thoroughfare.

With that being said, once you hit the new crosstown, points northward look fantastic.
This is interesting because the last time I drove down to Dallas I can honestly say the 15-20 miles north of Dallas on the I35. As you are entering the CBD are far less attractive and cluttered than entering OKC from the South and comparing the 10-15 miles through Moore and Norman. We have a much cleaner "entrance" coming from the south-north route.

All cities have very unattractive places. OKC is the nicer city I've been to. If you come to OKC you will see its the best city!

LOL PluPlan you're obviously bipolar.

This is interesting because the last time I drove down to Dallas I can honestly say the 15-20 miles north of Dallas on the I35. As you are entering the CBD are far less attractive and cluttered than entering OKC from the South and comparing the 10-15 miles through Moore and Norman. We have a much cleaner "entrance" coming from the south-north route.

Certainly there is a lot of industrial south of the river, but that is crucial to any city. Despite that, I think the Frontier Bank near 59th street has some of the best architecture in the entire city. And the Moore area near the Warren is anything but rundown industrial.

https://www.frontier-ok.com/images/Website_bank_pic.png

Without a doubt Frontier State Bank is the most aesthetically pleasing development along I-35 between downtown and 4th St. in Moore. I would love to see more like it. However, there is very little else in that corridor other than the like of Tio Chuy's auto sales, Big Bob's Flooring outlet, machinery plants, etc....Bob Moore Ford isn't terrible.

While OKC is certainly no "truck stop," the areas along I-35 south of downtown all the way into Moore are very unappealing. Rundown industrial is not a good look to have up and down your most traveled thoroughfare.

With that being said, once you hit the new crosstown, points northward look fantastic.



All cities have very unattractive places. OKC is the nicer city I've been to. If you come to OKC you will see its the best city!

In addition to a city being structurally and physically attractive--it has to have character and personality; that's engrained in the fabric of our city--its people.

The era post MAPS I has shown improvements within our city. Sometimes you don't see those improvements; out of state friends have commented on the cosmetic changes within our city, most notably:

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Where's that wooden bridge that leads to that Chinese type of structure? I've never seen that before.

It's the elephant habitat at the zoo.

It's the elephant habitat at the zoo.

From the elephant's point of view.

Lackmeyer taking shots at Pete and OKCTalk on Twitter just now -- I wasn't able to screencap it before he deleted his tweet but it said something to the effect that posters on OKCTalk are constantly negative and uninformed.

Basically went something like this (paraphrasing):

@sportstoons crazy questions today @stevelackmeyer (referring to weekly chat)

Reply from @stevelackmeyer
It's crazy to think how people take the posts of constantly negative, uninformed people and treat them as the word of God.

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Keep it classy Steve.

Lackmeyer taking shots at Pete and OKCTalk on Twitter just now -- I wasn't able to screencap it before he deleted his tweet but it said something to the effect that posters on OKCTalk are constantly negative and uninformed.

Basically went something like this (paraphrasing):

@sportstoons crazy questions today @stevelackmeyer (referring to weekly chat)

Reply from @stevelackmeyer
It's crazy to think how people take the posts of constantly negative, uninformed people and treat them as the word of God.

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Keep it classy Steve.

In Steve's defense he got some ridiculously negative and stupid questions today. Particularly "Rand"

Lackmeyer taking shots at Pete and OKCTalk on Twitter just now -- I wasn't able to screencap it before he deleted his tweet but it said something to the effect that posters on OKCTalk are constantly negative and uninformed.

Basically went something like this (paraphrasing):

@sportstoons crazy questions today @stevelackmeyer (referring to weekly chat)

Reply from @stevelackmeyer
It's crazy to think how people take the posts of constantly negative, uninformed people and treat them as the word of God.

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Keep it classy Steve.

Hey, Bchris has been banned for 30 days....

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More shots fired!

I understand some people make mistakes and say things they don't mean, but I've just about lost all of my respect for Steve.

In Steve's defense he got some ridiculously negative and stupid questions today. Particularly "Rand"

I thought they have the option of choosing which questions they answered.

Leave that mess alone, that's women's talk...


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In fairness, it's not like he isn't at least a little right. Bchris wasn't exactly the only poster here who was negative with zero proof, he was just the loudest and most consistent in his negativity.

Well, what was the most inaccurate was saying the site is uninformed.

The people who visit this site regularly are more informed on a broader sense of issues, and likely in greater detail than the casual reader of his blogs or the newspaper. And the information Pete delivers via his sources are definitely not uninformed.

I'll take a little bit of negativity as a trade off as a resource for a huge network of detailed and mostly accurate information.

Even then, there isn't a ton of negativity here. Especially now.

I'm not sure how he determines how a 'guest' on his chat is a confirmed poster or reader on OKCtalk ?

I'm not sure how he determines how a 'guest' on his chat is a confirmed poster or reader on OKCtalk ?

I think the assumption is that negative + uninformed information starts somewhere on a non-NewsOK website, I guess, because of that website?

It doesn't particularly make sense.