So you just go around message board to message board to drum up support for your planned class action lawsuit you want to do? Essentially using these message boards but contributing near zero to the community itself. If you want to use this site for your apparent agenda, you think you would at least be respectful and compensate Pete for using his site to push your agenda. Even then though, this thread might be better off in the Politics section since the entire basis of this thread is to put together a lawsuit to legislate through the courts.

So are you positioning yourself as the almighty Mr Censor? Do you imagine you can decide who is writing what and where?
Look at the title of this forum and stay away if you don't like it. Nobody asks you to read and even less to write about "2012 and trains still have to blow horns" .
In 2011 someone else created this blog and I continued in 2012. I sincerely hope you realize that the world is larger than the OKC environment. This train honking pollution is bothering people allover the USA.

torea, merely a guess on my part, but if I were to wager on it, I'd probably wager many/all the horn blasts were in place because of activity aided by counsel, not just as a noisy whim of some rr exec or bored 'crat.

torea, merely a guess on my part, but if I were to wager on it, I'd probably wager many/all the horn blasts were in place because of activity aided by counsel, not just as a noisy whim of some rr exec or bored 'crat.

Agree: not a rr exec but the bureaucratic (bored 'crat) FRA (Federal Railroad Administration) created and now imposes the trains to honk and create noise pollution day and night. "Safety reasons" are the almighty words and probably this noise avoids a couple of car-train collisions. But nobody calculated the health effects on the large population disturbed in their sleep by this honking noise. Did you see the recently published statistics that the life expectancy in the US is almost the lowest in the industrialized countries?

Agree: not a rr exec but the bureaucratic (bored 'crat) FRA (Federal Railroad Administration) created and now imposes the trains to honk and create noise pollution day and night. "Safety reasons" are the almighty words and probably this noise avoids a couple of car-train collisions. But nobody calculated the health effects on the large population disturbed in their sleep by this honking noise. Did you see the recently published statistics that the life expectancy in the US is almost the lowest in the industrialized countries?


I'm kicking myself for feeding this troll already.... Are you saying people are dying younger because of the train horns?

I'm kicking myself for feeding this troll already.... Are you saying people are dying younger because of the train horns?


That would surely be some honking big news, if it were true.

That would surely be some honking big news, if it were true.

Yes, a good night's rest is good for your health. Waking up by noise several times night after night, year after year will have a negative effect on your health and shorten your life.

That would surely be some honking big news, if it were true.

Then why did you include it as part of your rant on train horns? You attempted to make a correlation between the two.

"But nobody calculated the health effects on the large population disturbed in their sleep by this honking noise. Did you see the recently published statistics that the life expectancy in the US is almost the lowest in the industrialized countries?"

might just be me, but repeatedly jacking oneself into a lather over something way outside sphere of influence is probably as or more unhealthy than waking at night. ear plugs and valarian root might be your friend in both instances.

might just be me, but repeatedly jacking oneself into a lather over something way outside sphere of influence is probably as or more unhealthy than waking at night.

We can only hope.

Perhaps our friend from Kansas City is simply suffering from "PatcheSyndrome" . . .
you know . . . "down by the river that flows by the coalyard" . . . (coalyards naturally imply trains, don't they?)

Or just maybe it is related to that, [as yet Unlabeled]Syndrome based upon that song about trying to beat a train to a railroad crossing (without positive results) or the affirmation of the wisdom involved not doing that whether or not the train is blowing its whistle.

If I lived in or near Kansas City I would be much more concerned about sub-standard Interstate "improvements" that allow entire sections of off ramps to collapse . . . like over there near the I-Whatever and Highway 71 South exchange. Just past those HUGE railyards (across "the street" from those "mystery storage mines." =)

That and the decline in property values/the feeling of "security" once you start south on Prospect Ave. just south of the intersection of "12th Street and Vine" (near the home of Arthur Bryant's BBQ).

I hear they now have phone app car alarms that sound like train horns.
The fun part is they add to the confusion!

Arthur Bryant's is some good BBQ and now I'm hungry for some, I wonder if they deliver. I think we should sent torea on a road trip to North Platte, NE to the largest train yard in the world. Bet he would enjoy it there.

Instead of a "road trip" . . .
How about . . . a TRAIN! trip . . .
a railroad journey with complimentary earplugs!

the earplugs could be programmed to say:
"you are right about the hazards of train whistles . . .
"you are correct about the damage done . . .
"you are a visionary both ahead of and behind his time simultaneously!
"wouldn't Bose Headphones work better than these?
"of course they would.
"and you are smart enough to realize that is true!
"not to mention good-looking."

(by an ironic twist of fate,
the local train is now sounding its horn
in the name of safety
for motorists and pedestrians
about a mile away.)

Children, children .... what are you loosing your time here!

Let's go back to the subject:

The loud repetitive train honking noise (for each crossing) is a new rule, recently introduced by the FRA (Federal Railroad Administration)
Just a few years ago (around 2008-2009) this rule became enforced by the FRA.
The result is that you and millions of other citizens are now forced to "enjoy" this "romantic" honking pollution day and night.
No safety improvement & Huge additional train noise pollution.
Congratulations FRA!

torea, I've lived most of my days on this blue marble a mile or less from an active line, way less at times. I've never moved into a place only to discover afterwards I was near an active track. I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, but I dang sure ain't the dullest either. A set of tracks would be difficult to miss, even if I were hard of hearing, and I'm not (though my lovely might disagree with me a touch on that point.) No one forces living near trains on me. I simply don't object to the various sounds of trains. Quite the contrary. I hope someday you can come to peace with trains as well, or at least be gifted appropriate earplugs or a discount on moving somewhere far removed from an active track.

I would agree with you if trains made always that honking noise.
But the FRA introduced the final version of the train horn honking rules in 2005 and started to enforce these rules in 2008.

So everyone who choose the location of his house nearby a railroad more than 4 years ago got a nice increased noise pollution present from this Federal Railroad Administration: 4 times honking day and night for every crossing.

I call this a typical example of a useless bureaucratic administration, subject to severe reorganization or disappearance - very soon we will need many more saving to pay back the trillions of federal debt!

Going further on your valid remark: since 2008 most people choose houses far away from railroads. In this way the FRA honking rules houses reduces the value of houses nearby railroads.

A nice big class action supported by a few 10,000 of these home owners might help to convince the FRA to do something about these useless noise pollution honking rules.

Perhaps our friend from Kansas City is simply suffering from "PatcheSyndrome" . . .
you know . . . "down by the river that flows by the coalyard" . . . (coalyards naturally imply trains, don't they?)

Or just maybe it is related to that, [as yet Unlabeled]Syndrome based upon that song about trying to beat a train to a railroad crossing (without positive results) or the affirmation of the wisdom involved not doing that whether or not the train is blowing its whistle.

If I lived in or near Kansas City I would be much more concerned about sub-standard Interstate "improvements" that allow entire sections of off ramps to collapse . . . like over there near the I-Whatever and Highway 71 South exchange. Just past those HUGE railyards (across "the street" from those "mystery storage mines." =)

That and the decline in property values/the feeling of "security" once you start south on Prospect Ave. just south of the intersection of "12th Street and Vine" (near the home of Arthur Bryant's BBQ).

I hear they now have phone app car alarms that sound like train horns.
The fun part is they add to the confusion!

I can see it now. Watching Harry Potter in the theaters and the Hogwarts train blows its whistle and the poor guy just starts screaming in terror and crying. Though we shouldn't make fun of those with umm PatcheSyndrome if that is what we are calling it. LOL

And did someone say BBQ?

http://images.travelpod.com/users/socks/1.1255144978.arthur-bryant-s-bbq.jpg



Children, children .... what are you loosing your time here!

Let's go back to the subject:

The loud repetitive train honking noise (for each crossing) is a new rule, recently introduced by the FRA (Federal Railroad Administration)
Just a few years ago (around 2008-2009) this rule became enforced by the FRA.
The result is that you and millions of other citizens are now forced to "enjoy" this "romantic" honking pollution day and night.
No safety improvement & Huge additional train noise pollution.
Congratulations FRA!

So you want us to...get back on track? LOL :Smiley063

Perhaps your next crusade should be requiring better hushkits on all aircraft. I mean...those damn Air Force jets just make so much noise, how dare they fly over a house that is in their landing flight path. Smells like another great class action opportunity!

I can see it now. Watching Harry Potter in the theaters and the Hogwarts train blows its whistle and the poor guy just starts screaming in terror and crying. Though we shouldn't make fun of those with umm PatcheSyndrome if that is what we are calling it. LOL

And did someone say BBQ?

http://images.travelpod.com/users/socks/1.1255144978.arthur-bryant-s-bbq.jpg




So you want us to...get back on track? LOL :Smiley063

Perhaps your next crusade should be requiring better hushkits on all aircraft. I mean...those damn Air Force jets just make so much noise, how dare they fly over a house that is in their landing flight path. Smells like another great class action opportunity!


Not Harry Potter my friend, but Pot smoke must trouble your brains.

And airplanes became more and more silent. Nobody disputes the sound of plane engines (nor train engines btw)
Just imagine a federal administration imposing planes to make double the noise everywhere they fly ... or cars to honk 4 times before passing intersections (even when green light).
These must be your paradise wet dreams ...

ya know, being that this is the essence of a one track ride. and it is mainly a concern about a single regulatory agency, maybe switching to a sidetrack in the politics line, would be appropriate to consider.

As for me, I'm hopping the next train on outta here anyway.

Not Harry Potter my friend, but Pot smoke must trouble your brains.

And airplanes became more and more silent. Nobody disputes the sound of plane engines (nor train engines btw)
Just imagine a federal administration imposing planes to make double the noise everywhere they fly ... or cars to honk 4 times before passing intersections (even when green light).
These must be your paradise wet dreams ...

Hmm...haven't touched pot a day in my life, but I've always been considered boring. :)

A silent airplane? That's usually not a good sign unless it is a glider built to spec. LOL

There are some intersections where cars honking almost should be required. :) Of course I think it is also technically the law to honk when passing a bicycle. /shrug

Hmmm Paradise...Summer in Oklahoma with temps in the 70s, that would be my paradise. LOL

Hmm...haven't touched pot a day in my life, but I've always been considered boring. :)

A silent airplane? That's usually not a good sign unless it is a glider built to spec. LOL

There are some intersections where cars honking almost should be required. :) Of course I think it is also technically the law to honk when passing a bicycle. /shrug\

Hmmm Paradise...Summer in Oklahoma with temps in the 70s, that would be my paradise. LOL

Maybe your LOL's are boring (as you evaluate yourself)

But you brought an excellent idea to create a new "Federal Bike Agency" (FBA):
Lets ask this agency to impose new rules to install horns on this ever increasing number of bicycles.
And since they are vulnerable we will make them honk ALL the time day and night.

Maybe your LOL's are boring (as you evaluate yourself)

But you brought an excellent idea to create a new "Federal Bike Agency" (FBA):
Lets ask this agency to impose new rules to install horns on this ever increasing number of bicycles.
And since they are vulnerable we will make them honk ALL the time day and night.

Wait for it . . . wait for it . . .
Click the Watch on Youtube Button and wait for it . . .
QRT_2NdzSi0

Maybe your LOL's are boring (as you evaluate yourself)

But you brought an excellent idea to create a new "Federal Bike Agency" (FBA):
Lets ask this agency to impose new rules to install horns on this ever increasing number of bicycles.
And since they are vulnerable we will make them honk ALL the time day and night.

Horns on all bikes. Hmm. Seems like a good idea if they plan to ride on streets. Now who to contact at DOT about getting a law passed for that.

YES let's do it!

Anyone in disagreement with these permanent honking bikes, cars and trains can go and live deep in the woods, far away from roads , other people and any form of civilization.

YES let's do it!

Anyone in disagreement with these permanent honking bikes, cars and trains can go and live deep in the woods, far away from roads , other people and any form of civilization.

bye.... have fun in the woods

bye.... have fun in the woods

I will, but first I need to contact DOT to help create the FBA (Federal Bicycle Administration).
I just want to make sure you guys have enough honking and horn blowing around your ears to survive in your civilized world.....

Imagine the carnage had the engineer not blown his horn four times before crossing through the wall.
http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/images/6/6c/Train_wreck_at_montparnasse_1895.jpg
Ironically, the train was bound for the deep woods of France with a load of train horn haters.

Ironically, the train was bound for the deep woods of France with a load of train horn haters.

Shame it wasn't a bridge then

Shame it wasn't a bridge then

"a bridge . . ." yeah . . . that's the ticket . . .
PskoqCtRFD4
Note the quaint, non-annoying, Made in Japan, train whistle . . .
(It's like the "Hello Kitty" or "Sapporo" of train whistles.)

As compared to a proper Belgian-style train horn . . .
K89xgioWOWI
One that let's cars and deer and elk and bears and stuff
know that it means business.
(It's like the "Stella Artois" of train whistles)

I'd bet that if Poiroit was on the case,
the DOT/FRA would be quaking in their Fascist hobnail boots.
At least he, Hercule, would probably actually be writing them
instead of posting on an OKC Talk message board.
(if, of course, he was a train whistle hater)

("'(H)asteengs! What ees thees 'pot' to weech
le referahnce previous 'as been made, mon ami?" . . .)

Perhaps your next crusade should be requiring better hushkits on all aircraft. I mean...those damn Air Force jets just make so much noise, how dare they fly over a house that is in their landing flight path. Smells like another great class action opportunity!

We used to joke about the jet and rotor noise as the sound of freedom. Maybe the train whistles / horns are the sound of the American manifest destiny?

Rats, I just fed the troll, again, didn't I?

We used to joke about the jet and rotor noise as the sound of freedom. Maybe the train whistles / horns are the sound of the American manifest destiny?

Rats, I just fed the troll, again, didn't I?

I don't see any link between jet engine noise and train horns honking. You might need to create a "freedom noises destiny" blog where you could applaud and dream about the noises produced by jet engines, bombs, guns, explosions, firework, etc......

Not to get anyone riled up, but I was minding my own business the other day when a train approached nearby. I counted, yes counted, eight (8) whistle blows. Is that double the FRA standard? Yes, it was loud, as I was only a block from the crossing.

Not to get anyone riled up, but I was minding my own business the other day when a train approached nearby. I counted, yes counted, eight (8) whistle blows. Is that double the FRA standard? Yes, it was loud, as I was only a block from the crossing.

Oh, I missed it! :( I only get the four whistle blows at my crossing.

Not to get anyone riled up, but I was minding my own business the other day when a train approached nearby. I counted, yes counted, eight (8) whistle blows. Is that double the FRA standard? Yes, it was loud, as I was only a block from the crossing.

Sounds like two crossings are fairly close together

Sounds like two crossings are fairly close together

Most likely the case.

Or even 3 crossings very close together (one of them sees more trains than cars but this does not matter).

This is the situation where I live and I can assure you that the many trains in both directions generate more honking noise day and night than the best firework in the world.....

Thank you FRA for your intelligent rules forcing trains to honk 4 times before passing any crossing!

Or even 3 crossings very close together (one of them sees more trains than cars but this does not matter).

This is the situation where I live and I can assure you that the many trains in both directions generate more honking noise day and night than the best firework in the world.....

I thought you said you didn't live near any tracks?

This is the situation where I live and I can assure you that the many trains in both directions generate more honking noise day and night than the best firework in the world.....


Wouldn't that actually be the worst firework in the world?

(Frankly, I've never heard a honking firework, but that is not to say they don't exist . . ..)

Wouldn't that actually be the worst firework in the world?

(Frankly, I've never heard a honking firework, but that is not to say they don't exist . . ..)

Just to compare the noise (DB) levels, trains make more honking noise than firework.... so please FRA let's limit this for the 4th of July.......

Just to compare the noise (DB) levels, trains make more honking noise than firework.... so please FRA let's limit this for the 4th of July.......


FRA Train Horn Rule Fact Sheet (http://www.fra.dot.gov/Pages/1773.shtml)

...for the first time, a maximum volume level for the train horn has been established at 110 decibels. The minimum sound level remains 96 decibels. Railroads have until 2010 to fully comply with the maximum volume level requirement...

Just to compare the noise (DB) levels, trains make more honking noise than firework.... so please FRA let's limit this for the 4th of July.......


again I thought you said you didn't live near any railroad tracks?

again I thought you said you didn't live near any railroad tracks?

That's correct, i live about 1 mile from the track and above it since it is located in a valley.
Thousands of people enjoy here the overwhelming sound of loud honking trains day and night.

I guess the FRA invented this bureaucratic honking rule from a nice office somewhere in the middle of DC.

That's correct, i live about 1 mile from the track and above it since it is located in a valley.
Thousands of people enjoy here the overwhelming sound of loud honking trains day and night.

"This is the situation where I live and I can assure you that the many trains in both directions generate more honking noise day and night than the best firework in the world....."

So you hear them like the best fireworks in the world living a mile away?

Yes, same volume of noise (if you are at the same distance of both). Only firework is there a few days a year, once only in the evening

Yes, same volume of noise (if you are at the same distance of both). Only firework is there a few days a year, once only in the evening

Oh so you watch fireworks from a mile away too?

Not to get anyone riled up, but I was minding my own business the other day when a train approached nearby. I counted, yes counted, eight (8) whistle blows. Is that double the FRA standard? Yes, it was loud, as I was only a block from the crossing.

Was there another crossing immediately following that? I believe its 4 per crossing and since people race trains at crossings all the time, I don't think it matters to them.

Oh so you watch fireworks from a mile away too?
Sometimes i do. At least I have the choice to go and watch fireworks when and as close as I want.

Train horns honk all the time and everywhere day and night. Could someone explain the reason of this huge noise pollution everywhere in the USA?
Please don't believe in the "safety" excuse.... suicidal people will always do their thing with or without train horns.

Thank you FRA for your intelligent rules forcing trains to honk 4 times before passing any crossing!

You do realize they don't even read this forum right? Haven't you found a better outlet to stage your battle against them? Or dealing with your community leaders there in Kansas about it.

I never really thought of trains as "honking". Geese and antique car horns honk.....

Can someone explain why torea is a broken record?

Can someone explain why torea is a broken record?


Because he's a troll

You do realize they don't even read this forum right? Haven't you found a better outlet to stage your battle against them? Or dealing with your community leaders there in Kansas about it.

I would think a Federal agency (funded by your and my taxes) is interested in the result of the rules and regulations they invent in their bureaucratic offices.

The result of the new FRA horn blowing & honking rule is catastrophic and forces every train to create a huge amount of noise pollution everywhere in the USA (not only in Kansas).

There is nowhere any justification for this noise.

I would think a Federal agency (funded by your and my taxes) is interested in the result of the rules and regulations they invent in their bureaucratic offices.

The result of the new FRA horn blowing & honking rule is catastrophic and forces every train to create a huge amount of noise pollution everywhere in the USA (not only in Kansas).

There is nowhere any justification for this noise.

So are you going to start trolling a Spokane website with the same stuff next? I mean why not just sit there and spam every story on CNN with comments about the FRA?

So what other interest do you have in the OKC community that you would like to discussion? Honestly...this is OKC Talk. You've not once discussed any other topic. So why stay? Your arguments are going to be better warranted for a train or transportation focused website, not a localized community forum.

So are you going to start trolling a Spokane website with the same stuff next? I mean why not just sit there and spam every story on CNN with comments about the FRA?

So what other interest do you have in the OKC community that you would like to discussion? Honestly...this is OKC Talk. You've not once discussed any other topic. So why stay? Your arguments are going to be better warranted for a train or transportation focused website, not a localized community forum.

Mr Venture79: I am contributing to one of the subjects of this OKCtalk blog: "trains still have to blow horns?" - this subject was created in 2011 by someone else btw.
I am not contributing but also not criticizing any other subject discussed on this blog.
Are you a "censoring" person deciding what other people can publish on this (and other) internet blogs?

If CNN publishes an article about the FRA I will be glad to contribute there as well.

The eight 'honks' were heard in downtown Guthrie where I'm certain only of one crossing, probably two now that I think about it.

The eight 'honks' were heard in downtown Guthrie where I'm certain only of one crossing, probably two now that I think about it.

Maybe 2 trains at the same time (in opposite direction)?
This would generate the 8 honks at 1 intersection...

No, I don't think so. Howsomever, I was walking on a sidewalk a block away from the tracks, never saw the (alleged) train. I have learned something from this thread and certainly will pay more attention from now on.

No, I don't think so. Howsomever, I was walking on a sidewalk a block away from the tracks, never saw the (alleged) train. I have learned something from this thread and certainly will pay more attention from now on.

No kidding ... please don't call the trains "alleged"!

The FRA has published these rules to force trains to honk minimum 4 times per crossing.

Just a suggestion for railroad companies (and who knows also for the FRA): some of the older train engines make a huge noise (comparable with the older airplane engines).
Maybe some investments (or FRA rules?) could increase the number of new engines making not only less noise but also using less fuel. (Airliners have done or are doing the same)

Mr Venture79: I am contributing to one of the subjects of this OKCtalk blog: "trains still have to blow horns?" - this subject was created in 2011 by someone else btw.
I am not contributing but also not criticizing any other subject discussed on this blog.
Are you a "censoring" person deciding what other people can publish on this (and other) internet blogs?

If CNN publishes an article about the FRA I will be glad to contribute there as well.

Hmm...this is a forum...message board. Not a blog? They are pretty distinctive.

Actually 2010 and that thread was locked and closed by moderators because it had run its course. Then you decided to start it back up again.

2012 and trains still have to blow horns? (http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=28207)Started by torea (http://www.okctalk.com/member.php?u=9864), 12-29-2011 09:25 PM

You couldn't have just let it go?




OKCisOK4me said it before here....


Torea, the repetitive posting has got to go bye bye... No one is making any ground, you especially. You need to take your platform to Washington DC. Your argument is about as futile as the Occupy OKC movement...

I read a very interesting statement published by RadicalModerate:

"A vote for Romney is a vote for more train horns blowing".

Good job RadicaModerate: lets all vote for Obama and get rid of this silly trains honking loud and keeping us from our sleep....