Gaylord looks like it might be asphalt. That better not be the case. All P180 streets were to be in cement and I hope the same goes for Gaylord.

The way it works is, since P180 and street car are not coordinated, they'll do P180 first in concrete, then later on they'll tear up the concrete and put in asphalt. :-P

Gaylord looks like it might be asphalt. That better not be the case. All P180 streets were to be in cement and I hope the same goes for Gaylord.

They're renderings, I wouldn't put too much stock in concrete or asphalt. Isn't Gaylord supposed to be redone as part of P180? If that is the case, they will most assuredly use concrete.

Looks like both the P180 EKG and station renovation work will start in July.

This will be another very exciting step for downtown and will bring much more life and activity to that great building which is under-utilized and thus under-appreciated.

The way it works is, since P180 and street car are not coordinated, they'll do P180 first in concrete, then later on they'll tear up the concrete and put in asphalt. :-PAre they really not working with each other to do both projects at the same time? That's weird and a waste of money. What on earth are these people thinking?

Are they really not working with each other to do both projects at the same time? That's weird and a waste of money. What on earth are these people thinking?

I think that was sarcasm from Shawn. Although, it wouldn't shock me.

No PP, P180 and the streetcar have not been working together the whole time because P180 had a much shorter timeline. Now, we realize that is not the case. Are there any parts of P180 that overlap the streetcar that have not been completed?

I think that was sarcasm from Shawn. Although, it wouldn't shock me.

No PP, P180 and the streetcar have not been working together the whole time because P180 had a much shorter timeline. Now, we realize that is not the case. Are there any parts of P180 that overlap the streetcar that have not been completed?That is just insane. Even if they were 5 years apart, it would seem it would be smarter to plan around it and have the two projects work with each other.

They are coordinating heavily with Project 180.

Eric Wenger is project manager for both the transit hub and P180.

That is just insane. Even if they were 5 years apart, it would seem it would be smarter to plan around it and have the two projects work with each other.That is obvious to anyone capable of logical thought. That being understood, why then should one expect it from OKC's Powers That Be???

Still no meaningful connection to the streetcar?

One thing I would like to see them do is narrow it to 4 lanes from the transit hub to Auto Alley and place parallel parking.

Still no meaningful connection to the streetcar?

I wouldn't criticize that too much if I were you...

Still no meaningful connection to the streetcar?

Eventually. Jeff has a post a few pages back about it. That's the most frustrating thing to me. Kind of what PP was saying, they are going to tear up Gaylord for P180 but the streetcar is not going to run up it for several years. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Actually, it was a quote from him from the Gazette:

Because a $13 million federal grant for the Santa Fe station redevelopment required it to link to the streetcar route, a track will be built in front of the station, although it will hardly ever be used, at least during the first phase of the system.

EKG is one of the most unpleasant streets to walk along in all of DT. Which is really sad because it is one of the most heavily traveled by pedestrians. The entire east side has a worn path in the grass from people walking. And the amount of people who jaywalk across from the Santa Fe Garage is frightening.

The entire street needs to be exploded. Is the hold on this street in P180 - due to the hub/streetcar implementation?

The worn path is from the valets running from The Renaissance to the tunnel that opens into the buffalo parking lot.

Eventually. Jeff has a post a few pages back about it. That's the most frustrating thing to me. Kind of what PP was saying, they are going to tear up Gaylord for P180 but the streetcar is not going to run up it for several years. It just doesn't make sense to me.Yeah and the other thing is it seems like six lanes is a bit much for this road. I like Shields as a six lane road and I like a lot of roads to be six lanes, but I think this area would benefit more if it was 4 lanes and parallel or angled parking was added. It makes no sense to have this road stay at six lanes and then narrow to 3 lanes shortly down the road.

The P180 tearing up the road only to have it torn up again is infuriating.

How long before a departing bus creams a bicycle in the adjacent lane? Considering this is a complete street reconstruction this would be the perfect place to put a curbed, protected bicycle lane...ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE of the bus/dropoff lane.

In case anyone is curious, here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmnLSXTib1U&feature=youtu.be&t=54m40s) is the YouTube video of this morning's council meeting time keyed to the Santa Fe presentation.

Eventually. Jeff has a post a few pages back about it.

That's what I'm getting at. It was a big deal in recent meetings, but there appears to be no change in the plans.

That's what I'm getting at. It was a big deal in recent meetings, but there appears to be no change in the plans.

Ah, I misread your post as a question. My apologies.

Does the streetcar subcommittee also have to select a particular grade of rail, i.e. weight? If so, that may play into everything. Either way, they'll have to tear up EK Gaylord for the streetcar to cross on both Sheridan & Reno Avenues.

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Note how extremely well OKC, yes OKLAHOMA CITY, is with applying for and managing FEDERAL DOLLARS!!!! Talk about huge return on the federal dollar and/or Federal seed money used efficiently. And, under President Obama no less.

:dad:OMG, if only CITY of Oklahoma City!! was building the AICC and not the debacle that OKC is more infamously known for at 23rd and Lincoln. Proves with effective leadership, you can get things done that have meaningful impact to society.

This is going to be an incredible public space and a game-changer for regional transit in Oklahoma. I'm really excited about this project.

This is going to be an incredible public space and a game-changer for regional transit in Oklahoma. I'm really excited about this project.

Anybody who has been to Denver's Union Station would know how big of game changer this is going to be. If ours is even 1/2 of extravagant as theirs is then it will become the new it place to be.

It won't just be a place to get to other places. It will actually become a destination itself.

The building is open during the days (at least the Amtrak part) and it's stunning on the inside.

If people haven't been inside, it's very worth popping in.

Pete,
It is not so easy to pop-in if you don't live in OKC. It would be great to encourage locals to take more photos. :cool:

The intermodal transit hub renovation will preserve the historic Santa Fe Station; also give OKC a centralized transportation terminal. Just wonder if there are plans to fit the Greyhound Bus in with this transit hub?

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The intermodal transit hub renovation will preserve the historic Santa Fe Station; also give OKC a centralized transportation terminal. Just wonder if there are plans to fit the Greyhound Bus in with this transit hub?

That was discussed at the end of the Santa Fe presentation to the council meeting on Tuesday. The presentation starts 54:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmnLSXTib1U&feature=youtu.be&t=54m40s) in to the meeting video, with the Greyhound questions from the council members towards the end at around 1:05 or so. It's worth watching the entire thing, though, just for the presentation alone.

That was discussed at the end of the Santa Fe presentation to the council meeting on Tuesday. The presentation starts 54:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmnLSXTib1U&feature=youtu.be&t=54m40s) in to the meeting video, with the Greyhound questions from the council members towards the end at around 1:05 or so. It's worth watching the entire thing, though, just for the presentation alone.

Thanks!

I was unable to go inside this time, but I got some exterior shots.

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Just curious...whatever that black discoloring is on the building...can or should it be removed?

Just curious...whatever that black discoloring is on the building...can or should it be removed?

Yes, and that is the plan.

It's just discoloration from the elements which can be cleaned.

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They've almost finished making the whole cathedral the color of the front side,

Santa Fe Station is going to look super clean when it's…well…cleaned

Never noticed before, but the fourth picture from the top depicts the outline of the station as inlays on the wall.

They've almost finished making the whole cathedral the color of the front side,

Santa Fe Station is going to look super clean when it's…well…cleaned

It's much like when they renovated central station. They left one square untouched so you can see what it looked like before the cleanup:

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Honestly most of those stains are mildew stains. The important step that needs to be taken is for a sealer to be applied after cleaning to inhibit new growth. It was cleaned about 15 years ago, believe it or not, but I'm guessing not sealed well after. The cleaning was a bit controversial too, because it involved abrasion, which is frowned upon by preservation guidelines due to potential damage to the stone's finished surface, which can make it more porous and open to the elements. Chemical cleaning is really the best way. Honestly, a diluted bleach solution would probably do wonders.

From the JR:

On track for CBD-Bricktown express: Committee approves walkway tunnel design

By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record February 11, 2015

OKLAHOMA CITY – The city is one step closer to having a walkable connection between the Central Business District and Bricktown.

The Bricktown Urban Design Committee approved Tap Architecture’s design for a tunnel that will pass through the retaining wall separating the two areas. Railroad tracks run atop the wall.

The Downtown Design Review Committee will consider its side of the project this month as part of its review of upgrades to the Santa Fe Station’s plaza area.

When Tap architect Scott Parker presented the design in December, it was met with criticism from MAPS 3 subcommittee member Jeff Bezdek. Bezdek said the connection would not be on the proposed streetcar route, though Tap’s renderings showed a stop. The streetcar stop was previously shown on E.K. Gaylord Boulevard, but the Bricktown committee doesn’t have power of approval for that portion of the project. Bezdek did not attend Wednesday’s meeting, and no one else from the MAPS 3 committee protested the design.

The tunnel’s eastern opening near the Devon Centennial Fountain will be showcased with an Art Deco-style façade that will look like a building on the retaining wall. The aesthetic matches the Santa Fe Station, but with an updated appearance, Parker said. The faux building will be off-white, standing out from the gray retaining wall. It will feature a steel-framed canopy with a glass overhang to protect people from the weather, while not taking away from the design.

“We wanted to create an entrance,” Parker said. “We wanted it to be inviting. We also wanted to have a relationship to where it was going.”

The entrance will lead to a 42-foot-wide tunnel that will narrow as people walk west to Santa Fe Station. The tunnel has 10-foot-high ceilings, though they could be made higher if structurally sound.

Dallas-based Jacobs Engineering architect Robert Manley is overseeing the tunnel’s work. He said there will be a 2-foot, 7-inch grade change from the downtown side to Bricktown.

“Most people won’t even notice it,” Manley said.

The tunnel will have light-emitting-diode lighting that can change colors when needed.

“We can see these being blue for (Oklahoma City Thunder) home games or other events,” Manley said.

The previous plan included benches inside the tunnel, but those have been removed because the architects do not think people will congregate in the tunnel. There will be electric outlets for portable kiosks.

Other features include a large staircase down to the existing plaza area and a bridge to connect the walkway near Zio’s Italian Kitchen, 12 E. California Ave.

The upgrade to the Santa Fe Station is a $28.4 million project paid for by the city, state and grants. Bids for the whole project are expected to go out this spring, with construction starting in the summer. The project is expected to be substantially complete by fall 2016.

Color-changing LEDs, how novel...

:D

This sounds really cool. Are there any renderings yet?

Here is what they will be doing as far as cleaning up and restoring the exterior. This is just a sample; they will be doing similar work on all elevations:



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Today, there were building permit applications totaling $10 million for this project; on both the EKG and Bricktown sides.

They are about to get busy... Very excited to see this unfold.

Awesome.

This is one of those things that is a game changer but people don't yet realize how big of a deal it is. This is going to do wonders for the Bricktown Canal and the viability of new businesses along it.

I don't think anyone's posted about this, but the sidewalk around the parking lot of the Santa Fe Station is horrible. One must watch for nails still screwed into the sidewalk when walking. Will the overhaul of the station pay for the sidewalk as well?

I don't think anyone's posted about this, but the sidewalk around the parking lot of the Santa Fe Station is horrible. One must watch for nails still screwed into the sidewalk when walking. Will the overhaul of the station pay for the sidewalk as well?

Yes, they'll be re-doing all the paving in front and around the sides of the building.

Yup. There was a whole lot of valet parking signs that were recently removed, and of course they removed them half-assedly and left most of the bolts sticking up providing a nice tripping hazard or stabbing hazard.

I don't think anyone's posted about this, but the sidewalk around the parking lot of the Santa Fe Station is horrible. One must watch for nails still screwed into the sidewalk when walking. Will the overhaul of the station pay for the sidewalk as well?

I am noticing that this a reoccuring theme around downtown. I walk a lot and 4 things I have noticed

1) random metal sticking out of the sidewalks
2) paint markings coming off like it was drawn on with chalk
3) walk signals not automatically be called when the light turns green
4) low tree branches (especially when using an umbrella)

What is this walk thing you speak of?

What is this walk thing you speak of?

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I am noticing that this a reoccuring theme around downtown. I walk a lot and 4 things I have noticed

1) random metal sticking out of the sidewalks
2) paint markings coming off like it was drawn on with chalk
3) walk signals not automatically be called when the light turns green
4) low tree branches (especially when using an umbrella)

3) is an issue that angers me anytime I'm downtown and walking. It should have been rectified during P180, but it was not.

I noticed that there are still a lot of the crosswalks that have not been repainted.

I suppose they may be waiting for immediate construction to be completed but good grief, those things are atrocious and have been that way for years. It's embarrassing.

3) is an issue that angers me anytime i'm downtown and walking. It should have been rectified during p180, but it was not.

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Questions... once upon a time we were told that an all powerful traffic light management system had been implemented in OKC and that we'd see the benefits before long (doesn't seem like we're seeing it to me, but I just don't know)...

1) If that system has fine control of traffic lights, does it also have fine control of pedestrian walk signs?
2) If so, via the software, can they just be linked?

Questions... once upon a time we were told that an all powerful traffic light management system had been implemented in OKC and that we'd see the benefits before long (doesn't seem like we're seeing it to me, but I just don't know)...

1) If that system has fine control of traffic lights, does it also have fine control of pedestrian walk signs?
2) If so, via the software, can they just be linked?

I heard that the technology intended to be used for the system was abandoned by IT, so they had to switch to wired controls and that's taking much, much longer... but that's only something I heard, not verified.

Hmm... I wonder what said technology was (that would have been the purview of an IT organization -- though presumably it was something wireless [in which case you need RF engineers for something city wide, not just IT guys] since you're saying it's now wired)... and hopefully we didn't waste millions abandoning it... but glad it's still eventually going to happen, maybe. Perhaps around the time of the AICCM completion. :-P

But my questions about the walk sign control still stand for anyone that might know the capabilities of the software.

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Wow, that's ridiculous and dangerous.

They could cut those off with a hand tool in just a few minutes.

Lawsuit waiting to happen

The city has that "items that need addressed (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seeclickfix.okcgov.app&hl=en)" app, someone should report them and see what happens. If I get a chance today I'll swing by and try it.

Be sure to get an exact address. Not the one geotagged in the app; rather something you pull off of a building. If you don't they will use that as an excuse to close the ticket without action. Also, if an item is on private property (it of course appears NOT to be in this case) you will basically get a digital shoulder shrug and the ticket will be closed. Those are the only things so far that have irritated me about using the app.

I posted this on Twitter to see if it helps.