Jesseda/progressive boy , I have to disagree with you and agree with BBates. There are those on this forum aren't realists. I'm glad to hear this is coming. The south side really needs something like this and is decades overdue, but to compare it to Whitewater, Great Wolf Lodge or anything of that nature is laughable. $4.5 mil won't buy much these days. This will be a good sized neighborhood pool and nothing more, and that's just fine.

Yeah we see the same reaction with the NFL thread and all. It isn't that people are against it at all, it is just that some people get a sense of amazing wonderful things of huge scale...when it isn't the case.

So looking up what some companies have spent...and the costs could be higher now. A brand new Great Wolf/Bear Lodge runs around $30-50 million with the hotel and waterpark. Hotels that added a water park after they were opened spent around $1.5 to $4 million. So we could look at those projects to see the scale of what we could see. Some pictures of those projects:

http://www.paradiselanding.com/images-downtown-milwaukee-hotel/bannerimg/waterpark-pass-banner.jpg

http://www.comfortsuites.com/media/eBrochure/ebrochure/MN/MN060/MN060C3.JPG

http://www.comfortsuites.com/media/eBrochure/ebrochure/MN/MN060/MN060C4.JPG

http://www.grandrios.com/images/pageheaders/flash.jpg

I have to agree with you Jesseda. If Disney World and Sea World were to come to OKC or Oklahoma for that matter, there would be people gripping and complaining and would not support it.

And there are those people who, if you don't do cartwheels and cheerlead every topic, label those that don't 'whiners' and 'complainers.' Please go back over this thread and show where anyone said this was not a good thing or voiced they do not support it. I don't see a single post that gripes or complains or says it shouldn't happen. It often makes me wonder if some people here don't consciously count on others not reading entire threads so they figure if they make false accusations it will be assumed as true.

Quoting this to prove him wrong in the near future. :-)

Just imagine if we did that with your posts.

picture of the mascot of andy alligator standing where the new park will be.. construction starts next month. http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150398382536155&set=a.10150398380546155.415059.72310936154&type=1&theater

From Andy Alligators "Good News Everyone! You are all invited to our official groundbreaking ceremony for our New Water Park on Wednesday, October 12th at 11:30am. Renderings & project photos will be on display along with speakers and a light lunch will be provided. Hope to see everyone there. -Andy"

Awesome!

to me its sounds like a good size project, if they are going all out for the ground breaking, hopefully its not like what some people are imagining "community pool with two little slides". We will all soon find out in less then two weeks!!!

this is NOT a community pool with two little slides. its an impressive proposal.

this is NOT a community pool with two little slides. its an impressive proposal. I think its going to be bigger then justa community pool project, but some say different, oh well, we dont have long to find out!!

Every time the name, Indian Hills Road, is brought up, it always remind me of the guy (mom's friend's husband's brother) being road-killed by a huge semi-truck that never blew the horn. That was years ago.

I can relate, my girlfriend's father died from a head-on collision on Indian Hills Rd. when she was only 9 years old. I only live a couple of blocks from Indian Hills Rd.

Another possibility is a stand alone water play structure with multiple slides, interactive water features, tipping bucket etc. as seen here: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=49343

These kinds of attractions are beginning to start popping up in a few places, and they make great starting seeds for water parks that may grow over time.

Still though, I don't expect to be impressed, just pleased. Like I said before, we don't need a humongous destination water park. A sweet pool with a bunch of features and a couple of slides would do just fine, and the kids would be able to keep coming back all summer.

this is NOT a community pool with two little slides. its an impressive proposal.

I'm taking it that you know something we don't? Or am I getting the wrong signals.

I'm taking it that you know something we don't? Or am I getting the wrong signals.

October 12th at 11:30, everything will be revealed, andy alligator has a great facebook page that is updated quickly, so if you do not attend the ground breaking, the pics will be put up quickly on htier page for all who could not attend

4.5 million to start, this is just the start of it so more money will be going into this venture in the future.. Its going to be really nice, I hope the next phase is to add a indoor waterpark as well. Kyle knows what he is doing this place is going to be great, kyle told me that andy alligator waterpark will be selling season passes when it opens.

yikes lady...

this is NOT a community pool with two little slides. its an impressive proposal.

WOW!!! Thanks for the official renderings. :-O This is gonna blow everyone away! I'll keep these hidden until the official day for public view. :-D

I noticed the discussion on this thread went from comparing to White Water to saying it will be better than a community pool which shouldn't be hard to do given the local community pools used to compare it to. Its a great debating tactic: move the goal posts. LOL

Either way its a great new development for the area.

I noticed the discussion on this thread went from comparing to White Water to saying it will be better than a community pool which shouldn't be hard to do given the local community pools used to compare it to. Its a great debating tactic: move the goal posts. LOL

Either way its a great new development for the area.

lol no one said that it will start of as big as white water bay is currently. It has the same amount of land to expand and could be that size, now remember white water bay started off with couple slides and a kiddie zone, Andy alligator water park has that potential plus they has something white water does not... Go carts, bumper car ride, mini golf, water bumper cars, kiddie drop ride, wall climb, arcade, etc, and each year since andy alligator has been open they have added something new, so I think they will be growing/adding to this waterpark more and more the years to come

I heard there was also going to be an indoor surfing establishment out there.

I heard there was also going to be an indoor surfing establishment out there.

you heard wrong!

you heard wrong!

Denied. :LolLolLol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkwDIq_UxxA

^^Wow,that will be Awesome for kids and this is just the first stage!

Seems just a tad bit better than just a community pool lol

Not bad, would like to see some renderings instead of videos from other parks. Like what I see so far!

Not bad, would like to see some renderings instead of videos from other parks. Like what I see so far!

That's what I'm anxious for as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkwDIq_UxxA

What I would love the most... Is the expression on Brian Bates' face!!! LOL!!! This video just proved him wrong...hardcore! :-D

I like what i see so far, looks like my kids will be having a ball there next summer

What I would love the most... Is the expression on Brian Bates' face!!! LOL!!! This video just proved him wrong...hardcore! :-D

Actually, all you've proven is you consistently don't have a clue. Do you even remember what I posted? Let me remind you....


4 million isn't going to get anything near what White Water is. I'm thinking something a bit larger than what used to be on I-35 years ago. Anyone else remember the go-carts and water slide that used to be on South I-35? Had a big hill with a twisting water slide. Looks like something to complement their existing venue.

Exactly how was my post proven wrong? The video seems to match pretty close to what I posted - Not as big as White Water but something bigger than what was on I-35. Seems the video actually proved me right.

Do you even even consider pausing for 2 seconds before you post and ask yourself "is my post going to be complete BS, nonsense or simply a bold faced lie?"

There's a lotta hate on here, huh? :LolLolLol

white water started off with the amount of attractions that this new waterpark will have, so you never know, maybe in 5-10 years it will be just as good or better then white water.. In the past ten years whitewater hasnt really did anything impressive to their park and with all the on and off again closed rides due to age and wear...so it really will not be that hard for this new park to catch up

There's a lotta hate on here, huh? :LolLolLol

Its a Love-Hate relationship. :LolLolLol

Nice, it looks like slightly more than what I was expecting, though there is no true pool of any sort with this park, only a lazy river.

So to sum up, the park will consist of:
- 45 ft tall four-lane mat racer slide
- 400ft tube slide also off the 45ft tower
- 700ft long lazy river, complete with a "beach" which probably refers to an open area with zero entry that will kind of act like a pool.
- play structure with giant tipping bucket and two smaller slides
- splash zone for very small kids

All in all, that's quite a nice facility for $4.2 million. None of these attractions are very large. The lazy river and slides sound like they'll be on a much smaller scale than what you'll find at White Water. This is definitely a park that will be very competitive with all the local pools, even those up in the city. As far as comparisons to White Water go though, this facility is obviously not designed to be what White Water is, and does not look like it is planned to be expanded to that level either despite what some here are hoping. They want to hit a market that wants more than just a regular old pool, but doesn't want to go to the expense of going to White Water. I'm sure they'll be very successful in that regard with this set-up. I do expect to see them add on a pool of some sort within a few years, probably a small wave pool.

By the way, White Water was always a large water park, it was not started like this park and grown organically like something out of Roller Coaster Tycoon. They've certainly added to it over the years, but it was built much larger than this park, and was designed with larger and more varied attractions to attract a wide range of customers while earning a much larger ticket price. They haven't added much in recent years because they seem to have hit their market ceiling for the time being, and I'm sure they don't want to blow capital on more slides or whatever unless they know it will pay off. They've had a number of management shake-ups over the past few years as well which has thrown a wrench in whatever expansion plans they may have had. However, I think the current group, led by former owners Burke and Story, might just start expanding the park's reach with some new attractions within the next couple of years. Water parks are definitely coming into popularity again, and Burke and Story have been spending a lot on their other water park properties.

Nice, it looks like slightly more than what I was expecting, though there is no true pool of any sort with this park, only a lazy river.

So to sum up, the park will consist of:
- 45 ft tall four-lane mat racer slide
- 400ft tube slide also off the 45ft tower
- 700ft long lazy river, complete with a "beach" which probably refers to an open area with zero entry that will kind of act like a pool.
- play structure with giant tipping bucket and two smaller slides
- splash zone for very small kids

All in all, that's quite a nice facility for $4.2 million. None of these attractions are very large. The lazy river and slides sound like they'll be on a much smaller scale than what you'll find at White Water. This is definitely a park that will be very competitive with all the local pools, even those up in the city. As far as comparisons to White Water go though, this facility is obviously not designed to be what White Water is, and does not look like it is planned to be expanded to that level either despite what some here are hoping. They want to hit a market that wants more than just a regular old pool, but doesn't want to go to the expense of going to White Water. I'm sure they'll be very successful in that regard with this set-up. I do expect to see them add on a pool of some sort within a few years, probably a small wave pool.

By the way, White Water was always a large water park, it was not started like this park and grown organically like something out of Roller Coaster Tycoon. They've certainly added to it over the years, but it was built much larger than this park, and was designed with larger and more varied attractions to attract a wide range of customers while earning a much larger ticket price. They haven't added much in recent years because they seem to have hit their market ceiling for the time being, and I'm sure they don't want to blow capital on more slides or whatever unless they know it will pay off. They've had a number of management shake-ups over the past few years as well which has thrown a wrench in whatever expansion plans they may have had. However, I think the current group, led by former owners Burke and Story, might just start expanding the park's reach with some new attractions within the next couple of years. Water parks are definitely coming into popularity again, and Burke and Story have been spending a lot on their other water park properties.

you really need to look up the history of white water bay lol, by the way white water bay when opened owned a total of 25 acres almost half of that is used for the parking lot and they have sold off some of the acres over the years, so it really isnt that much bigger then what andy alligator is putting their waterpark on to start with, remember andy alligator own more then just what the waterpark is going to go on lol, Andy alligator has a large amount of undeveloped land so expanision can happen they are currently using 8 acres for there already built funpark. White water bay started with only a couple slides, a kids play area and a wave pool. And the owner of andy alligator is trying to get everyone from the state to come to its park, so not just a local city thing. Remember andy alligator theme park is going to be more then just a a waterpark, it already has plenty of non water attractions and that area of the park is growing each year as well

opening day at white water
Great Sea Wave, now known simply as The Wave Pool.
The Twister and The Sidewinder, now known collectively as Swashbuckler Flumes.
Pirate's Cove, currently known as Shipwreck Island.
The Rapids, now known as Keelhaul Falls.
Little Squirts Island, now known as Kids' Kove.

hmmm not all that different from andy alligators planned opening day lol

hmmm not all that different from andy alligators planned opening day lol

Alligator Andy's is not really building anything comparable to Pirates cove, The Wave pool, or The Rapids and I doubt they ever plan to do so. The construction costs would be high and so would be the operating costs. Right now the lazy river they plan on building is probably the most expensive thing they plan to build and operate.

Its the same reason they don't plan on being as big as Frontier City. Not really a bad thing because its not like these large parks are rolling around in money.

I think the renderings that will be released tomorrow will put things into better perspective.

you really need to look up the history of white water bay lol, by the way white water bay when opened owned a total of 25 acres almost half of that is used for the parking lot and they have sold off some of the acres over the years, so it really isnt that much bigger then what andy alligator is putting their waterpark on to start with, remember andy alligator own more then just what the waterpark is going to go on lol, Andy alligator has a large amount of undeveloped land so expanision can happen they are currently using 8 acres for there already built funpark. White water bay started with only a couple slides, a kids play area and a wave pool. And the owner of andy alligator is trying to get everyone from the state to come to its park, so not just a local city thing. Remember andy alligator theme park is going to be more then just a a waterpark, it already has plenty of non water attractions and that area of the park is growing each year as well

opening day at white water
Great Sea Wave, now known simply as The Wave Pool.
The Twister and The Sidewinder, now known collectively as Swashbuckler Flumes.
Pirate's Cove, currently known as Shipwreck Island.
The Rapids, now known as Keelhaul Falls.
Little Squirts Island, now known as Kids' Kove.

hmmm not all that different from andy alligators planned opening day lol

Both parks may sit on similar acreages, but the fact remains that WWB was built to be a much larger park than Andy Alligator's will ever be. Like I said, both are built to cater to slightly different sets of the market, with different business plans behind the investments they've made. All I'm trying to get across is to not expect this park to grow and blossom into a major tourist attraction. It might grow some, but I don't see them wanting to leave behind the rest of their business, or price themselves out of range of most of the community.

I've been an industry observer for a number of years now, and I've watched what some would call the rise and fall of FC and WWB, along with numerous other parks. With each property there is an elaborate plan behind each investment, and it's always fun trying to string together how their business works. It usually all comes down to catering to the right market at the right price.

Join us tomorrow Wednesday October 12th at 11:30am at Andy Alligator's Fun Park for the groundbreaking of our NEW Waterpark. There will be guest speakers, renderings and a light lunch. Call 321-7275 ext. 202 for more details. <----from their facebook page. www.facebook.com/andyalligators

I think this new addtion plus what they allready have will be a good draw IMO!

Shocked no one posted any details yet. Nothing on the Transcript site yet - will probably be in the paper tomorrow.

Facebook is pretty sparse with any details. Does sound like a lazy river, water tower, and a couple slides from what has been relayed by others.

^I posted all the specs from the video above. The only concept art that's been given on the web so far was the rendering of the large play structure from the video. I'm to lazy to make a screen grab of it at the moment, hopefully they'll post more on their website tomorrow.

Ahh yeah you did. I wasn't sure if there was going to be more with it, but doesn't look like it. It'll be a nice little community park for Norman and Moore to enjoy.

Story in the Transcript today...
http://normantranscript.com/headlines/x1621539731/Locally-owner-Andy-Alligator-s-Fun-Park-set-to-build-water-park

Yes, Venture, I can see you're thinking about being a daddy just so you have an excuse to go there. :-)

Ummm no.

Maybe they'll have an adult-only day.

Maybe they'll have an adult-only day.

also moore is planning on buildinga new community pool with features as well, they are currently in the planning stages, they are talking about something like how earlywine park pool is, I believe it will be going in at the new area in buck thomas park off 12th street

I was a zombie at HeyDay last night and tonight. Noticed they have torn up some land across the street at Andy Alligator's, presumably for the waterpark. Approx. this much was torn up:

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1497/andyalligators.jpg

Just look at all that land for future expansions. :-O

^Assuming they even own all that land. Given the high price of those restaurant parcels right off the interstate, I'd be very surprised if they own the land immediately south of them. Still, there is a good bit of land behind them that they could grab if they actually wanted it...

^Assuming they even own all that land. Given the high price of those restaurant parcels right off the interstate, I'd be very surprised if they own the land immediately south of them. Still, there is a good bit of land behind them that they could grab if they actually wanted it...
Hallbrooke Development per the Assessor site.

Hallbrooke Owner/Developer and Andy Alligator Owner/Developer are one in the same.

Hopefully they widen Indian Hills before it gets too far along in development there. Would love to finally see it run all the way to I-44 (say at the highway 37 interchange) to give us another option to go north. Not to mention, would help the new water park with attracting people from the west metro who don't want to deal with 240 and 35.

wow kinda pricey, heck silver dollar city season passes are cheaper then this place https://webhost.corecashless.com/andyalligators/sales/?p=is12t4ym

Yuck. Don't see many families going for what. Can only imagine was daily admission will be.

wow kinda pricey, heck silver dollar city season passes are cheaper then this place https://webhost.corecashless.com/andyalligators/sales/?p=is12t4ym

Thats crazy! The same price for a double park pass to White Water and Frontier City.

Yikes. Yeah....right. Needs to be pretty freaking huge for that price.

One has to hope they marked it up high so they can mark it down through special promotions. Their going out of business if they keep it that price.

The good news is, the lines won't be crowded.

1st year price I'm sure it will tick down over time

wow kinda pricey, heck silver dollar city season passes are cheaper then this place https://webhost.corecashless.com/andyalligators/sales/?p=is12t4ym

Yikes! Maybe that's what they meant by being larger than White Water (in price only). Doesn't look like they spend $199 on that online checkout system and graphics.

That price would be reasonable if it was an indoor waterpark that could be used every day of the year but how long is the 'water park season' in Oklahoma? 4 months at best. Whitewater Bay is only open full-time for 2.5 months.

That better be the best waterpark in all of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, New Mexico, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, and Arizona if they expect to get away with those prices.