This is my negative review for the Taco Bell in Midwest City on the corner of NE 23rd and Douglas Blvd. Many times when I order soft chicken tacos, I paid specifically for STUFFED as in LOTS OF CHICKEN only to discover very few chickens. They continue to ignore my specific request. Its just this one lousy location. Just a few minutes ago, I went there to get something to eat and this idiotic female at the window wrote this down... "You really need to come into the lobby to order. This messes us up." Excuse me? It does not mess anything up. Learn how to take orders from deaf customers at the window. Do not ever force us to get out of our own auto to come inside to order.

Thunder, while i can understand your frustration, what she was trying to say it messes up the timing, if they can't take your order (for whatever reason) until you reach the window, it slows everything down and in some cases brings everything to a screeching halt until they can get back into the regular flow again. Special orders can cause the same chaos in the kitchen. Not as bad as they used to be, but it does still happen.

There may just be a communication error in what "stuffed" means. On one hand, don't they have menu items called "Stuf'td" or something like that? Your idea of what they are supposed to stuff it with may be different than their idea. If not specific that you want extra chicken, they may give you a cheaper filler (like lettuce). If you are paying for extra anything and not getting it, then you have every right to complain. And if that doesn't take care of it, then take your business elsewhere (and politely let them know you are doing so).

very few chicken(s)?Thunder,I understand your frustration but you also need to understand she wasnt trying to be rude,blunt maybe but not rude!I mean how is a drive thru operator supposed to communcate with someone with a hearing impairment?

Larry, they need to learn how to install a second window for what McD had done. Heck, McD even got two computers system set up for this, so when someone comes to window to order, they use the other computer system to get it in line.

The manager at that Taco Bell wasn't much help either.

A few weeks ago, I actually had an idiot at the KFC in front of Oklahoma's #1 market telling me to come inside when I pulled up with an order already typed out on the phone notepad. There was no one behind me! When I went inside, I told a manager and walked out with everything free.

These are the times that these childish behavior ever happened to me ever in my entire lifetime. Its quite shocking.

get out of your car and stop being selfish

It probably would work best for all parties involved to simply walk inside

get out of your car and stop being selfish


It probably would work best for all parties involved to simply walk inside

This is discrimination. Just because we are deaf does not mean we are required to abandon the luxury of drive-thru ordering.

I would think if you are worried about an order being right, you would go inside regardless. You aren't being required to go inside, but if you are having dissatisfaction with the outside ordering options...try going face to face. There are many times I choose to just go inside especially in cases of a complicated order, large order, there have been errors in the past at the location, or I'm simply undecided what I want - that way I don't hold others up for my indecisiveness.

This is discrimination. Just because we are deaf does not mean we are required to abandon the luxury of drive-thru ordering.

I happen to agree with you T, but for a different reason. Drive through ordering is at best a crap shoot. Deaf or not, you should have an equal shot at your order being wrong when it is delivered to you.

So many drive through lanes mess up even the simplest of orders, your deafness really doesn't up the chances of the order being wrong.

This is discrimination. Just because we are deaf does not mean we are required to abandon the luxury of drive-thru ordering.

I agree it should not be required...Just think it works best to order inside unless the restaurant provides you with a way to order at the speaker/menu instead of where you pick up

I happen to agree with you T, but for a different reason. Drive through ordering is at best a crap shoot. Deaf or not, you should have an equal shot at your order being wrong when it is delivered to you.

So many drive through lanes mess up even the simplest of orders, your deafness really doesn't up the chances of the order being wrong.

In fact, with you actually writing down your own order, you actually have a better chance at getting your order correctly. Kevin's right, I'm amazed how often my order is wrong.

Thunder I understand you being pissed off about drive through service but I too go inside from time to time when I have something that is complicated or a special order. It just works better for everyone including myself.

Put yourself in the other customers shoes who are waiting behind you and in the order taker shoes who is at the microphone and now having a panic attack thinking their Mic just broke when it was working a few seconds ago. Now they are left wondering if some kid is playing a trick on them / is some customer confused at how to order/ are they hurt / are they getting robbed / having a heart attack / did someones car stall/ whatever.....all because everything was running steady state then all of a sudden dead air.

Another thing to consider is that all major fast food restaurants are graded and evaluated on their order times. As others have mentioned you can typically see the digital clock that records the data and uplinks it to some corporate computer inside the window that tells exactly how long its been since they took an order until it goes out the window. So for an employee that has had great times all day long just one 4-5 minute lapse will greatly skew the data for the entire day - you might say well who cares, but that's one of the ways fast food has become so fast compared to what it was even 10 years ago and its hard for any of us to complain about faster service.

So i understand you dont appreciate us mentioning that it might be easier for you to order inside - but you have to realize that you delaying everyone involved by not wanting to park your car, save some gas, and walk inside the store and i'm willing to bet you dinner at taco bell it would also be FASTER for YOU to order inside the restaurant.

This is a rare occasion I agree with Thunder - in as much as the deaf and hearing impaired should not have to exit their vehicle to place an order with an establishment that offers drive-thru service. The chances of me or you being delayed (heaven forbid) in a fast food drive through because of a deaf customer is next to zero. However, I am constantly delayed in lines at restaurants, convenience stores etc. because of perfectly hearing enabled people who won't get off their damn cell phones, don't have a clue what they want or are so inept at doing simple math they had no idea their debit card would be rejected because they were overdrawn.

Yeah, that drive-thru worker was completely in the wrong. She was just flustered because he did something that deviated from the norm.

But, Thunder, your first problem is going to Taco Bell. Ew! Didn't you know that it's only acceptable to eat Taco Bell if you're drunk? And you aren't going through the drive-thru, because you're either walking or getting dropped off there by a cab!

This is a rare occasion I agree with Thunder - in as much as the deaf and hearing impaired should not have to exit their vehicle to place an order with an establishment that offers drive-thru service. The chances of me or you being delayed (heaven forbid) in a fast food drive through because of a deaf customer is next to zero. However, I am constantly delayed in lines at restaurants, convenience stores etc. because of perfectly hearing enabled people who won't get off their damn cell phones, don't have a clue what they want or are so inept at doing simple math they had no idea their debit card would be rejected because they were overdrawn.

+1
I try to avoid any fast food joints that are owned by Yum foods{tace bell,pizza hut,kfc among others}the quality has gone downhill. All of the establishments used to have better quality product especially in the 70s and 80s.

BBatesokc,
I wish I had said this! I totally agree.
C. T.

This is a rare occasion I agree with Thunder - in as much as the deaf and hearing impaired should not have to exit their vehicle to place an order with an establishment that offers drive-thru service. The chances of me or you being delayed (heaven forbid) in a fast food drive through because of a deaf customer is next to zero. However, I am constantly delayed in lines at restaurants, convenience stores etc. because of perfectly hearing enabled people who won't get off their damn cell phones, don't have a clue what they want or are so inept at doing simple math they had no idea their debit card would be rejected because they were overdrawn.

This is discrimination. Just because we are deaf does not mean we are required to abandon the luxury of drive-thru ordering.


-This is a rare occasion I agree with Thunder - in as much as the deaf and hearing impaired should not have to exit their vehicle to place an order with an establishment that offers drive-thru service.

-The chances of me or you being delayed (heaven forbid) in a fast food drive through because of a deaf customer is next to zero.

Overall I agree with both of you and it does kinda suck that it works out better for someone to get out of their vehicle and walk inside a restaurant to order their food. But what i don't agree with is calling it discrimination or acting like its someones god given right to go through a fast food drive through. Kinda shows where we are as a nation when people adamantly get pissed off at the thought of having to exit their vehicle and walk into a restaurant to order food.

... i think its realistic to realize that there are some interactions its easier for someone with a disability to not participate in; this might just be one of them.

But, the go inside solution is not easier for the hearing impaired. It's easier for the business, and it's easier for the employee, and it keeps the cars moving at X orders per minute, but that's about it. For a hearing impaired person, parking, going inside, and then doing what he, or she is trying to do at the window, i.e., hand over a written down order, then getting back to the car and departing, is not easier. It's not a gross inconvenience, particularly for a single young male, but it is not easier.

Set Thunder aside for the moment and consider a hearing impaired single mom of four in a mini-van. Got the image? No way anyone could persuade me hauling her crew in to order and load back up would be even remotely easier.

Just sayin'.

But, the go inside solution is not easier for the hearing impaired. It's easier for the business, and it's easier for the employee, and it keeps the cars moving at X orders per minute, but that's about it. For a hearing impaired person, parking, going inside, and then doing what he, or she is trying to do at the window, i.e., hand over a written down order, then getting back to the car and departing, is not easier. It's not a gross inconvenience, particularly for a single young male, but it is not easier.

Set Thunder aside for the moment and consider a hearing impaired single mom of four in a mini-van. Got the image? No way anyone could persuade me hauling her crew in to order and load back up would be even remotely easier.

Just sayin'.

Why dont we have Braille for the blind patrons outside so they can use the drive thru too - since its a god given right for deaf people to use it?

Why would you discriminate against the blind in making them get out of a car they were a passenger in? What if they are in a Cab, do you expect the Cab Driver to read them the menu? Why do blind people have to go into the restaurant and ask for a Braille Menu (which fast food places do have) but deaf people can use the drive thru ?

http://files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_566/5664005/file/mcdonalds-braille-menu-braille-big-mac-small-39759.jpg

If we are going to cater to one disability then you have to for another, you just cant pick and chose. What about morbidly obese passengers that are so large that they qualify as disabled and cannot work. What about when they want to go to mcdonalds, should mcdonalds install larger doors in case on of the morbidly obese customers decides to come inside the restaurant, why should they always be forced to go through the drive thru?

I can see how that could screw up the queue. They can't even start your order until you pull up to the window and hand them your note. I don't see how the drive through is faster for you unless you have four kids in the future.

If we are going to cater to one disability then you have to for another, you just cant pick and chose. What about morbidly obese passengers that are so large that they qualify as disabled and cannot work. What about when they want to go to mcdonalds, should mcdonalds install larger doors in case on of the morbidly obese customers decides to come inside the restaurant, why should they always be forced to go through the drive thru?

They would before anyone said anything because they would not want to lose their most loyal customers. Lol

As I try to not stop in ff places much, I'm perfectly fine if they wish to facilitate blind patrons using the drive-through. I think that corner between the order speaker and the first window might need some extra pole reinforcements though.

kevinpate,
My first inclination was that the "blind" comment didn't warrant a response. But your comment (that I enjoyed) changed my mind. I taught the blind and visually impaired a few ago and am familiar with a lot of the problems/challenges they have, but never once was a drive through business mentioned. They all had spouses, significant others or used public transportation and the sighted person driving was always quite capable of reading the menu or even asking for a braille menu at the drive through window.
C. T.

As I try to not stop in ff places much, I'm perfectly fine if they wish to facilitate blind patrons using the drive-through. I think that corner between the order speaker and the first window might need some extra pole reinforcements though.

I highly suggest some of you whiners who happen to (at the moment) have a perfectly good set of legs, eyes and ears try stepping out of your selfish indignation and realize if it really ruins your day because someone with an impairment causes you to wait an extra minute or two for your Big Mac or Nachos Bell Grande then you have a pretty warped view of life and your role in society.

I also hope you avoid the 7-11 I go to on a regular basis because more than one occasion we've all had to wait at the register while the cashier ran outside to pump gas for someone with a handicap placard after they pushed the service button. I can only imagine the outrage you'd have if you were left standing there with your slurpie for an extra 60 seconds and couldn't get back to curing cancer, saving the whales or whatever else that was so important in your day.

If the place seems empty or bare to me, then I'd have no problem going in there. Most of the time, I'm just not comfortable being within a crowd. Especially at McD where a bunch of stupid kids in there just laugh away until their tummies explode with bloody gore everywhere. Sometime I'm just simply not well enough to get out whenever I deal with dizziness or headache, so staying inside the truck in front of a blasting cold air is preferred than out into the heat.

I have to say I'm with Thunder here....servicing a hearing impaired customer at the drive through window rather than the speaker certainly falls into the catagory of required accessibility features that all facilities open to the public are required to offer under both the Americans With Disabilities Act AND the International Building Code....

Is the problem that he's deaf or that his special order wasn't handled right? I agree if it's the special order and they don't get it right going through the drive through then you should go inside or not go there again.

How does going inside really significantly help this situation? Either way he is ultimately dealing one-on-one with a Taco Bell employee and either inside or out he has to wait in a line and there will be people waiting behind him. To me it looks like it comes down to equal access and convenience. He has a right to use the drive-through and he finds it more convenient and less stressful. So what if he orders at the window as opposed to the microphone. They take his order at the window and have him pull up and they bring his order out to him. Same thing they do when people place large or special orders.

Hmmm, I have never been "pulled" at a Taco Bell drive thru. Have always had to sit and wait for whatever was happening in front. that is why, if I have a choice, I usually go inside no matter where (Bell, Bueno, Burger King, Braum's etc)

It is much easier to serve customers "out of order" inside (without inconveniencing those behind you) than it is in a drive thru situation.

Yesterday, I went to get some soft chicken tacos and I put down Extra Chicken instead of Stuffed (lots of chicken) and they got it right. Only ordered 3 and didn't order a drink, cuz I have one at the desk. The girl brought out a free large drink and remembered the kind.

Maybe they were confused and thought you wanted

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How does going inside really significantly help this situation? Either way he is ultimately dealing one-on-one with a Taco Bell employee and either inside or out he has to wait in a line and there will be people waiting behind him. To me it looks like it comes down to equal access and convenience. He has a right to use the drive-through and he finds it more convenient and less stressful. So what if he orders at the window as opposed to the microphone. They take his order at the window and have him pull up and they bring his order out to him. Same thing they do when people place large or special orders.

I'm not saying he doesn't have every right to use the drive thru but if they keep screwing up his order maybe he should go inside to order or explain what he wants. That has nothing to do with his disability but rather their inability to get it right.

I'm not saying he doesn't have every right to use the drive thru but if they keep screwing up his order maybe he should go inside to order or explain what he wants. That has nothing to do with his disability but rather their inability to get it right.

Wasn't pointing that comment at you. Just a general point I was thinking out loud. I can't even get Sonic to give me "easy" let alone "easy, easy ice" when I go through the drive-through.

Brian, I always have it down as "lil ice" and they understand it that way. The nearby Sonic to the flea market knows exactly what I want. Rt. 44 Dr. Pepper w/ lil ice. Its not the only flavor I like, also like Coke, Pepsi, and Sprite. But they are used to Dr. Pepper already, so by the time I drive to the window, its already waiting. LOL

I never did have a problem at that Sonic except for one night a few weeks ago when I got there nearly 10pm. I kept honking, banging on the window, and waving around. 3 black kids inside was talking and playing around for about 10 minutes before they finally got to me. I told the manager about 2 days later and I'm proud to report that those 3 kids are out of job.

Wasn't pointing that comment at you. Just a general point I was thinking out loud. I can't even get Sonic to give me "easy" let alone "easy, easy ice" when I go through the drive-through.

Same here.... sad you have to open your food up to see if they got it right

I told the manager about 2 days later and I'm proud to report that those 3 kids are out of job.

What a horrible and despicable comment to make. Shame on you. Not the fact that you approached the manager with a legitimate complain, that SHOULD have resulted in a coaching/training session with those employees, but that you celebrate getting people fired? Now if they did it before and had a corrective regarding it is one things. However, one should never celebrate getting someone else fired from their job regardless of the circumstances.

What a horrible and despicable comment to make. Shame on you. Not the fact that you approached the manager with a legitimate complain, that SHOULD have resulted in a coaching/training session with those employees, but that you celebrate getting people fired? Now if they did it before and had a corrective regarding it is one things. However, one should never celebrate getting someone else fired from their job regardless of the circumstances.

Do you think its okay for kids to be playing around in the restaurant where your food are prepared? I wouldn't want that! To think the things they do...hell, there are viral Domino videos. They deserve to lose their job for what they did. Don't forget, Venture, there should be video cameras in there. Management probably saw more that they did not like. So, please, do not attack me. The manager actually thanked me for alerting them.

The key word here is they were kids and it seems to me the shift supervisor should have been talked to and not fire some kids.... and I'm sure the rest of the staff there is just waiting for you to make a return visit.

The key word here is they were kids and it seems to me the shift supervisor should have been talked to and not fire some kids.... and I'm sure the rest of the staff there is just waiting for you to make a return visit.

I visit nearly every day. Yes, they all love me.

I'm just surprised at Venture's reaction. I wouldn't want people throwing tator tots around in a place where I get my food from. Geez, we don't need kids like that in restaurants. This teaches them a hardcore lesson that real-life jobs is serious.

I visit nearly every day. Yes, they all love me.

I'm just surprised at Venture's reaction. I wouldn't want people throwing tator tots around in a place where I get my food from. Geez, we don't need kids like that in restaurants. This teaches them a hardcore lesson that real-life jobs is serious.

I'm sure they all do love you after you got 3 of their friends fired... better check your drink and food real close for a long time.

Same here.... sad you have to open your food up to see if they got it right

Is there any type of to-go place where one doesn't need to check their order before going?

I do more pizza delivery now than I have in ages. Getting out for fast food, then getting in line, and then going back around or going inside to correct the order is more annoying than I care to deal with. In the last few years, it's been more rare for an order to be handed over correctly than for an order to be missing something, have an X instead of a Y, or even the wrong order completely. It did not use to be that way. Folks used to give a fig about customer service and doing a good job. And we're not talking complex hey, let's stump them type of orders. About as complex as I get is no onions please. I hate the texture, and as a bennie, it usually assures I get a fresh burger and not a heat lamp special.

But what passes for service and pride in the job these days is quite sad. And for any fast food workers or mgmt. who might visit here, "so?" is not the appropriate response to telling you ... yet again ... my order is not correct.

kevinpate: I understand what you are saying and there does seem to have been a shift in attitude over the years since I worked in the fast food industry. No matter where I worked (Wendy's, Hardee's, McDonald's, Taco Bueno), we tried our darndest to make sure we got the correct order to the correct customer and the individual order was correct (esp with any "special orders"). Extra care was taken with drive-thru because if they called/came back, they were more aggravated than a dine-in mistake. Now it seems the attitude is, most aren't going to even notice that there order is wrong until there are too far away to do anything about it, so why bother? They seem to get "dine-in" orders right because there is a higher probability they are going to have to deal with the customer face-to-face. Because of that, I rarely use a drive through any more, go inside and check it before I leave. If I do so, almost always correct, if I don't check, either it isn't as I ordered it or it is someone else's order.

Thunder: glad switching terms seems to have worked out for you.

kevinpate: They seem to get "dine-in" orders right because there is a higher probability they are going to have to deal with the customer face-to-face.

There is empirical evidence out there to support this point. I believe the study specifically assessed accuracy of order taking when orders are given verbally with no visibility and when given verbally with eye contact being established.

Hi, its me again, Thunder.

I just got back from that Taco Bell and I have something to share.

The original chicken flatbread is only 99 cents. I got two. Its bigger, more chicken and cheese, and fancy flatbread dough that is quite tasty. I find it surprising that its only 99 cents. Why? Well, soft chicken tacos, which is smaller, is 1.49 or around that..each. Amazing.

Good to hear. Saw the commercials for those and they look loaded but can't always go by that. The pricing "reasoning" among menu items is often baffling. Have seen the same thing at McDonald's and Taco Bueno.

Thunder, Ignatious J. Reilly would be proud of you and all that you've accomplished at Taco Bell.

I wonder what the odds are that they use real grilled chicken in those flatbread things?? I don't think that Taco Bell's have grills...

I wonder what the odds are that they use real grilled chicken in those flatbread things?? I don't think that Taco Bell's have grills...

Don't know about the chicken, but the beef is suspect.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/19/taco-bell-meat-beef-lawsuit-withdrawn_n_850834.html

Let us all pause now, for a few moments of silence in memory of "Gidget" . . .
Known affectionately, at one location, as "Chalupa Filling" . . .

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BTW: Before you get disgusted at the idea of "Carne de Perro"
look closely at the ingredient list on a package of authentic Chorizo . . .

I am sure they are prepared grilled chickens done elsewhere then shipped to final destinations then through our mouths, bodies, and the grand exit.

Ihat is a possibility considering most of Taco Bells stuff is done that way (just assembled in the restaurant). Possible that they aren't even really grilled but have grill marks "painted" on them. Not saying they are or aren't but have seen it elsewhere.

It still taste like chicken to me.

LOL...not saying that isn't really chicken either (this isn't like their recent 100% beef snafu)..if you want meatless chicken, check out the recent posts over in the Sunflower thread.

Although Taco Bell DID have the problem several years ago where the chicken and steak fajita products tasted nearly the same and it was hard to tell which was which. Don't know if it was "real" then or not. Would be hard pressed to prove either way.

And I really don't care too much at that price point if it isn't really chicken or not, as long as it tastes like chicken, I am right there with ya.

I hate it when I order a cheeseburger at Burger King and the cashier gives me a double cheeseburger. They think they are saving me money and giving me more value for my dollar. It's only like $0.20 cents difference. But if I wanted a double cheeseburger I would order me a double cheeseburger. Just give me what I ordered!!!

I hate it when I order a cheeseburger at Burger King and the cashier gives me a double cheeseburger. They think they are saving me money and giving me more value for my dollar. It's only like $0.20 cents difference. But if I wanted a double cheeseburger I would order me a double cheeseburger. Just give me what I ordered!!!

Why would you be mad about getting a double cheeseburger?

Why would you be mad about getting a double cheeseburger?

Because it's not what I ordered. If I wanted a double cheeseburger I would have ordered a double cheeseburger.

Because it's not what I ordered. If I wanted a double cheeseburger I would have ordered a double cheeseburger.

Well, if you were charged for it. 20 cents extra... LOL If you paid for a single and received an extra meat free, then be happy. You can always remove that one meat. :-)

Well, if you were charged for it. 20 cents extra... LOL If you paid for a single and received an extra meat free, then be happy. You can always remove that one meat. :-)

Or to make things even simplier, just give me what I ordered and I won't have to remove the extra meat...

Or to make things even simplier, just give me what I ordered and I won't have to remove the extra meat...

Well, when you pay at the first window, be sure to get a receipt. You check it. See a double? Tell someone at the second window.

I wonder what the odds are that they use real grilled chicken in those flatbread things?? I don't think that Taco Bell's have grills...

Went to the nicer than normal, newer Taco Bell at 23rd & May Weds and checked about the "grilled" chicken that a "Quality" sign near the restroom implies that they are grilled in-store (among a couple of other things). The kitchen area was fairly open to view and I couldn't see any grills. Asked the manager and he pointed to the small industrial George Forman type flat grill press contraption (that they use for the "grilled" stufft burritos and such. i explained that I was talking about the open flame type grill that would leave grill marks like in the picture. He laughed and said no, the actual "grilling" is done at the chicken plant. They just reheat 7 assemble the stuff in store.

On a disappointing note, while the new chicken flat bread sandwiches were tasty, there is not near the amount of chicken on them shown in the commercials or in the pics on the menu board. Also there really isn't any bacon in the bacon version (miniscule unidentifiable bacon flecks in the ranch dressing). I asked the manager about that and he said that was the correct amount of chicken, but he did add a slice of actual bacon to it.