None of what exists in the core would exist without the substantial taxpayer investment of the suburban areas. The economic impact of a city is how it functions as a whole - metro. If you think the 20,000 people that live in a few square miles of downtown wholly support all of what is happening in the core, you are deeply mistaken. I say this for any city and someone who strongly supports sustainable urban growth.

I am 28 and live in a suburban area by the way. It’s what most people can afford.

that is not what I said at all. I'm saying the core is the center for culture and stuff to do and there are way way more than 20k people living in the core. I said nothing about the suburbs not having any impact at all obviously they do.

My entire point of OKC and almost all major cities is that the core is were the majority of culture, arts, food, entertainment, live music, festivals, etc are.

Just speaking for myself and the people I'm around. Me and my wife live in the city center and have no kids and we have friends that live in Norman and Yukon that have kids and it is cheaper to live there.

We rarely go to yukon or norman they usually come to OKC especially for concerts and going out to eat or first friday in paseo or second friday in the plaza or festival of the arts downtown, paseo arts festival, etc.

I said I get that not everyone can or wants to live in the urban core and that's fine I get it.

The suburbs exist because of the Urban centers not the other way around and the article and the linked pew research shows that.

Does anyone know how to edit the main listing on Google for OKC population? It is still showing a city population of 649,000, which it attributed to 2020 numbers.

This is what you see when you Google "Oklahoma City Population."

17495

that is not what I said at all. I'm saying the core is the center for culture and stuff to do and there are way way more than 20k people living in the core. I said nothing about the suburbs not having any impact at all obviously they do.

My entire point of OKC and almost all major cities is that the core is were the majority of culture, arts, food, entertainment, live music, festivals, etc are.

Just speaking for myself and the people I'm around. Me and my wife live in the city center and have no kids and we have friends that live in Norman and Yukon that have kids and it is cheaper to live there.

We rarely go to yukon or norman they usually come to OKC especially for concerts and going out to eat or first friday in paseo or second friday in the plaza or festival of the arts downtown, paseo arts festival, etc.

I said I get that not everyone can or wants to live in the urban core and that's fine I get it.

The suburbs exist because of the Urban centers not the other way around and the article and the linked pew research shows that.

please define what you think of as the Core??

Suburbs are older people and lower wage people



this is not reality ..

this is not reality ..

https://www.courthousenews.com/suburbs-fall-behind-cities-in-education-and-job-growth/#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20the%20percentage%20of, suburbs%20over%20the%20same%20period

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/pew-urban.pdf

https://www.courthousenews.com/suburbs-fall-behind-cities-in-education-and-job-growth/#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20the%20percentage%20of, suburbs%20over%20the%20same%20period

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/pew-urban.pdf

we are talking about OKC specifically ...

also are you saying that the cities of The Village and Nichols Hills are in the core of the City of Oklahoma City ? ?

we are talking about OKC specifically ...

also are you saying that the cities of The Village and Nichols Hills are in the core of the City of Oklahoma City ? ?

highest income zipcodes in OKC metro

73151
73025
73116
73007
73173
73165
73131

we are talking about OKC specifically ...

also are you saying that the cities of The Village and Nichols Hills are in the core of the City of Oklahoma City ? ?

Nichols hills has less than 4k people and the village has 9,500. and they just happen to be in the core of the city like Alamo Heights in San Antonio and what does that matter?

Paseo and Central Park have more people than the village and nichols hills combined and they are smaller that isn't even including all the surrounding neighborhoods like edgemere, jefferson park, crown heights, putnam heights, asian district, military park and on and on and on.

highest income zipcodes in OKC metro

73151
73025
73116
73007
73173
73165
73131

you listed some zip codes with super low populations excluding nichols hills and edmond

Nichols hills has less than 4k people and the village has 9,500. and they just happen to be in the core of the city like Alamo Heights in San Antonio and what does that matter?

Paseo and Central Park have more people than the village and nichols hills combined and they are smaller that isn't even including all the surrounding neighborhoods like edgemere, jefferson park, crown heights, putnam heights, asian district, military park and on and on and on.

neither are in the "core"

neither are in the "core"

He mentioned LHP as his western border, which would include the Village and NH. But there is a ton of OKC proper residents west of LHP, so I am not sure where there is going...

He mentioned LHP as his western border, which would include the Village and NH. But there is a ton of OKC proper residents west of LHP, so I am not sure where there is going...

there isn't a whole lot going on west of LHP/44 and up NW expressway past LHP/44 besides big box retail, chain restaurants, strip malls and housing developments

I work off of NW expressway near Meridian and I love the old strip malls up and down Portland/Meridian/MacArthur from 10th to NW Expressway it kind of reminds me of parts of LA

None of what exists in the core would exist without the substantial taxpayer investment of the suburban areas. The economic impact of a city is how it functions as a whole - metro. If you think the 20,000 people that live in a few square miles of downtown wholly support all of what is happening in the core, you are deeply mistaken. I say this for any city and someone who strongly supports sustainable urban growth.

I am 28 and live in a suburban area by the way. It’s what most people can afford.
Suburbs are a drain on the city core. The single-family tract homes of bedroom communities cost more for the city than the denser multi-family homes found in city cores. The infrastructure costs required to reach suburbs are not cost-effective and will drain a city’s budget, lowering the quality of life for all its residents.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/4/16/when-apartment-dwellers-subsidize-suburban-homeowners

Suburbs are a drain on the city core. The single-family tract homes of bedroom communities cost more for the city than the denser multi-family homes found in city cores. The infrastructure costs required to reach suburbs are not cost-effective and will drain a city’s budget, lowering the quality of life for all its residents.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/4/16/when-apartment-dwellers-subsidize-suburban-homeowners

That’s a different argument and one which I don’t disagree with. I think my views on this site are pretty well known. But the tax dollars that are spent in the core, largely come from outside of the urban core. Vice versa, the tax dollars to support the suburban areas largely come from other suburban areas and unsustainable debt.

The core is not self-sufficient in generating its own infrastructure spending. That money comes from a much larger area and is funneled into a much small area. Of course, it didn’t used to be this way. When the core was filled with people and businesses it did subsidize the suburban growth.

That’s a different argument and one which I don’t disagree with. I think my views on this site are pretty well known. But the tax dollars that are spent in the core, largely come from outside of the urban core. Vice versa, the tax dollars to support the suburban areas largely come from other suburban areas and unsustainable debt.

The core is not self-sufficient in generating its own infrastructure spending. That money comes from a much larger area and is funneled into a much small area. Of course, it didn’t used to be this way. When the core was filled with people and businesses it did subsidize the suburban growth.

it isn't different at all you just don't want to admit it

The costs associated with suburban low density is never really recouped by the taxes raised. Suburban areas depend on higher density areas

Suburbs are subsidized by the urban core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI

Suburbs are a drain on the city core. The single-family tract homes of bedroom communities cost more for the city than the denser multi-family homes found in city cores. The infrastructure costs required to reach suburbs are not cost-effective and will drain a city’s budget, lowering the quality of life for all its residents.

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/4/16/when-apartment-dwellers-subsidize-suburban-homeowners

While I have been following Strong Towns for years and would like to see more urban development options, some of what I have more recently been looking at on global trends may complicate the issue. Countries that went more on an urban model either rapidly like many Asian counties have or for a longer period like European countries both are generally in a range of worrying population decline and nothing indicating will improve anytime soon, where America is a rarity of developed countries with a pretty stable population. With country wide populations decline likely to be a bigger economic problem than our urban/suburban issues.

it isn't different at all you just don't want to admit it

The costs associated with suburban low density is never really recouped by the taxes raised. Suburban areas depend on higher density areas

Suburbs are subsidized by the urban core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI

That is quite literally what I said. Unsustainable debt. But the suburbs still provide a huge amount of the tax revenue that go towards building the core. Do you think MAPS is only collected downtown? It all comes from the same pot and the suburban areas of the city contribute a huge portion of that money sitting in those coffers.

MAPS was supported by suburbia as much as it was hampered by it because the city has to maintain a deeply expensive method of housing. City planners choosing suburbia as a large portion of the city could lead one to believe that suburbs are cost-effective, but I do not think the data supports that. Suburbs do not appear to return as much value as some may assume. It is far more cost-effective and a greater return on investment to focus on core city dense housing over long-distance suburban tract housing.

NotJustBikes made a series of videos in partnership with Strong Towns to discuss these issues. Here’s one that relates to the cost of suburbs, but I recommend watching the entire series: https://youtu.be/7Nw6qyyrTeI

keep in mind that the "luther" turnpike exit ... is in Oklahoma city .. (yes that far north east) so? is that exit so important to the OKC population? NO. The population of OKC is within a confined area significantly smaller than its city limits.

Seattle has a freeway exit on it's southern fringe as well but one would be FOOLISH to suggest that it is significant enough to warrant notice let alone argue its importance to Seattle's population vs. the core and inner city of Seattle exits; where THE CITY is. How is OKC somehow different? I've been to those fringe areas of OKC and they are just that - fringe, and could easily be removed without any loss of population or tax base (since there's also no businesses there). ...

And I suppose according to some on here we better start marketing the OKC Metropolitan area as the Edmond or Norman Metropolitan area since OKC's core is so lacking. [shrug] Better yet, let's market OKC metro as the "Oklahoma City Metropolitan Area that MUST include Tulsa Metro Area to be significant". There we go.

I personally have never visited OKC to go to any event in Edmond or Norman (other than OU football/softball) nor have I visited OKC to go to the luther exit or somewhere else in the fringe (shakes head), but I have visited OKC for the sole purpose to attend events in OKC's core downtown and inner city. I think most visitors/tourists to OKC are similar to me, but that's just a thought. The ONLY reason why I went to the fringe was because I'm from OKC and 'of course' know about the city limits. .... Some of you all must know something I dont.

None of what exists in the core would exist without the substantial taxpayer investment of the suburban areas. The economic impact of a city is how it functions as a whole - metro. If you think the 20,000 people that live in a few square miles of downtown wholly support all of what is happening in the core, you are deeply mistaken. I say this for any city and someone who strongly supports sustainable urban growth.

I am 28 and live in a suburban area by the way. It’s what most people can afford.

totally disagree with you catch. You mean to tell me that none of the core of OKC would exist without the suburbs? So, by correlation you're saying that the suburbs were there first and that because of them the core of OKC was built. I can tell you by experience Denver was NOT build that way. I used to live there and the core was there LONG before Arvada, Aurora, Littleton were anything beyond rail or mail posts. I used to live in downtown Denver and LIttleton btw (Arapaho Rd). Denver's suburbs exist because of Denver and its core, ditto that for Seattle AND Oklahoma City, no different.

Now I would agree with you that cores THRIVE due to support from the suburbs. YES. But totally disagree with your first notion that cores would not exist without suburbs. That is purely post-WW2 which I believe OKC and most core major cities existed and thrived before that (see historical pics of downtown OKC pre-1950s).

This downtown vs suburb argument is lame. It’s like debating which is more important to your life….lungs or heart. Try living without either. A city must be looked at holistically.

so? is that exit so important to the OKC population? NO. The population of OKC is within a confined area significantly smaller than its city limits.

Seattle has a freeway exit on it's southern fringe as well but one would be FOOLISH to suggest that it is significant enough to warrant notice let alone argue its importance to Seattle's population vs. the core and inner city of Seattle exits; where THE CITY is. How is OKC somehow different? I've been to those fringe areas of OKC and they are just that - fringe, and could easily be removed without any loss of population or tax base (since there's also no businesses there). ...

And I suppose according to some on here we better start marketing the OKC Metropolitan area as the Edmond or Norman Metropolitan area since OKC's core is so lacking. [shrug] Better yet, let's market OKC metro as the "Oklahoma City Metropolitan Area that MUST include Tulsa Metro Area to be significant". There we go.

I personally have never visited OKC to go to any event in Edmond or Norman (other than OU football/softball) nor have I visited OKC to go to the luther exit or somewhere else in the fringe (shakes head), but I have visited OKC for the sole purpose to attend events in OKC's core downtown and inner city. I think most visitors/tourists to OKC are similar to me, but that's just a thought. The ONLY reason why I went to the fringe was because I'm from OKC and 'of course' know about the city limits. .... Some of you all must know something I dont.

it was in response to a comment about okc and tulsa getting filled in up and down the turnpike

and as far as the population in a smaller area .... not north and south ... OKC has almost full infill for 25 miles north - south

totally disagree with you catch. You mean to tell me that none of the core of OKC would exist without the suburbs? So, by correlation you're saying that the suburbs were there first and that because of them the core of OKC was built. I can tell you by experience Denver was NOT build that way. I used to live there and the core was there LONG before Arvada, Aurora, Littleton were anything beyond rail or mail posts. I used to live in downtown Denver and LIttleton btw (Arapaho Rd). Denver's suburbs exist because of Denver and its core, ditto that for Seattle AND Oklahoma City, no different.

Now I would agree with you that cores THRIVE due to support from the suburbs. YES. But totally disagree with your first notion that cores would not exist without suburbs. That is purely post-WW2 which I believe OKC and most core major cities existed and thrived before that (see historical pics of downtown OKC pre-1950s).

I swear this website has a reading comprehension problem. Did you not even read my post that said "Of course, it didn’t used to be this way. When the core was filled with people and businesses it did subsidize the suburban growth."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUeqxXwCA0&list=PLJp5q-R0lZ0_FCUbeVWK6OGLN69ehUTVa&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IsMeKl-Sv0&list=PLJp5q-R0lZ0_FCUbeVWK6OGLN69ehUTVa&index=3

While I have been following Strong Towns for years and would like to see more urban development options, some of what I have more recently been looking at on global trends may complicate the issue. Countries that went more on an urban model either rapidly like many Asian counties have or for a longer period like European countries both are generally in a range of worrying population decline and nothing indicating will improve anytime soon, where America is a rarity of developed countries with a pretty stable population. With country wide populations decline likely to be a bigger economic problem than our urban/suburban issues.

Actually, America is not growing. Without immigration, we would be seeing a population decline. We are holding steady but that's it.

7.4% population increase from 2010 to 2020. You're saying that is ALL from immigration?

No data here but anyone who has lived most of their life in OKC will probably understand this intrinsicly: If "Putnam City"* and "Deer Creek"** were deannexxed from Oklahoma City, we would lose an insane amount of tax dollars because these were/are among the largest segments of Middle and Upper Middle Class in Central Oklahoma. "Putnam City" particularly contributed a sizable portion to the initial MAPS projects and has continued to contribute a lot in subsequent iterations. The 1st iteration surely would not have had near the success were it not for that area in the 90s - in fact, the lack of "suburban proper" areas like Putnam City is probably one of the reasons you have not seen tons of cities adopt the same approach.

You will hear me poo-poo on the suburbs far more often than not, but anyone discussing Oklahoma City has to understand that practically speaking, Putnam City is it's own suburb that just happens to send all tax dollars to OKC, and Deer Creek is playing the same part in 2000 - 2050 that Putnam City did 1950 - 2000. There's also SW OKC that feeds into Moore but that area surely loses a good chunk of change to Moore so it's more complicated.


*We'll define this area as the area boxed by Memorial/LHP/NW 10th/Council
**We'll define this area as the areas boxed by 164th/Portland/Memorial/Council + Covell/May/164th/Council + Simmons/Santa Fe/Covell/Council

No data here but anyone who has lived most of their life in OKC will probably understand this intrinsicly: If "Putnam City"* and "Deer Creek"** were deannexxed from Oklahoma City, we would lose an insane amount of tax dollars because these were/are among the largest segments of Middle and Upper Middle Class in Central Oklahoma. "Putnam City" particularly contributed a sizable portion to the initial MAPS projects and has continued to contribute a lot in subsequent iterations. The 1st iteration surely would not have had near the success were it not for that area in the 90s - in fact, the lack of "suburban proper" areas like Putnam City is probably one of the reasons you have not seen tons of cities adopt the same approach.

You will hear me poo-poo on the suburbs far more often than not, but anyone discussing Oklahoma City has to understand that practically speaking, Putnam City is it's own suburb that just happens to send all tax dollars to OKC, and Deer Creek is playing the same part in 2000 - 2050 that Putnam City did 1950 - 2000. There's also SW OKC that feeds into Moore but that area surely loses a good chunk of change to Moore so it's more complicated.


*We'll define this area as the area boxed by Memorial/LHP/NW 10th/Council
**We'll define this area as the areas boxed by 164th/Portland/Memorial/Council + Covell/May/164th/Council + Simmons/Santa Fe/Covell/Council

I live in this Southwest OKC you mention (Moore Schools) and do most of our shopping in OKC. Rarely do we go to Moore, our next closest shopping are would actually be Mustang, but we are unique in living West of 44. I do feel like our friends in this are that live East of 44 will shop Moore if they can't get what they need in the immediate OKC area.

7.4% population increase from 2010 to 2020. You're saying that is ALL from immigration?

The USA is hitting a population plateau. I'm not going to do the research for you or engage in petty arguments. An extensive article in the The Atlantic has already been posted here if you bother to read it.

ON EDIT: I'm feeling charitable so I will post the article again. I gather you didn't read it the first time. By the way, you are talking about an entire decade and this article is more nuanced to trends in population -- much like the subject of this thread. OKC's population has started to increase fairly dramatically in the last few years.

The Atlantic is not the only outlet reporting on this information, but the article is very thorough. Please feel free to share your thoughts after reading it.

Why US Population Growth is Collapsing

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/03/american-population-growth-rate-slow/629392/

The USA is hitting a population plateau. I'm not going to do the research for you or engage in petty arguments. An extensive article in the The Atlantic has already been posted here if you bother to read it.

ON EDIT: I'm feeling charitable so I will post the article again. I gather you didn't read it the first time. By the way, you are talking about an entire decade and this article is more nuanced to trends in population -- much like the subject of this thread. OKC's population has started to increase fairly dramatically in the last few years.

The Atlantic is not the only outlet reporting on this information, but the article is very thorough. Please feel free to share your thoughts after reading it.

Why US Population Growth is Collapsing

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/03/american-population-growth-rate-slow/629392/

Curious how 2022 and 2023 shake out. I've seen lots of ideas/chatter/theories that deaths will be lower these next two years. Theory is the vast majority of covid deaths weren't necessarily "excess" as much as they were 12-24 months "early". So the spike in 2020 and 2021 is offset by declines in 2022 and 2023. Time will tell.

Article is dead on. You must having a growing population or the economy suffers to an extreme degree. That's non political. The "how" always is.

Curious how 2022 and 2023 shake out. I've seen lots of ideas/chatter/theories that deaths will be lower these next two years. Theory is the vast majority of covid deaths weren't necessarily "excess" as much as they were 12-24 months "early". So the spike in 2020 and 2021 is offset by declines in 2022 and 2023. Time will tell.

Conspiracy theory is more like it.

This country should rename as The United States of Egypt. Denial runs throughout it.

And crickets, of course.

Top Ten Metros for Sending Most People to Oklahoma City.

1. Tulsa
2. Dallas-Ft. Worth
3. Lawton
4. Houston
5. Enid
6. Chicago
7. Kansas City
8. San Antonio
9. Denver
10. Phoenix

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/metros-sending-the-most-people-to-oklahoma-city/ss-AAYMWLf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=31ba4be8d4e84e22afd3712531430cac#image=45[/URL]

Top Ten Metros for Sending Most People to Oklahoma City.

1. Tulsa
2. Dallas-Ft. Worth
3. Lawton
4. Houston
5. Enid
6. Chicago
7. Kansas City
8. San Antonio
9. Denver
10. Phoenix

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/metros-sending-the-most-people-to-oklahoma-city/ss-AAYMWLf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=31ba4be8d4e84e22afd3712531430cac#image=45[/URL]

Is it good with 30% of them are from the same state?

nearly all of the top 50 cities have a net inmigration to OKC. Notable exception is Houston - which is OKC's top destination to go with much smaller net out migration to NYC, Seattle, and Atlanta.

Does tend to back up the license plates in OKC theory I and others who visited observved.

Not surprised that OKC is the #1 destination for all in-state cities; it would not be good if it were the reverse. ...

Is it good with 30% of them are from the same state?

None of these are California.

nearly all of the top 50 cities have a net inmigration to OKC. Notable exception is Houston - which is OKC's top destination to go with much smaller net out migration to NYC, Seattle, and Atlanta.

Does tend to back up the license plates in OKC theory I and others who visited observved.

Not surprised that OKC is the #1 destination for all in-state cities; it would not be good if it were the reverse. ...

The no. 1 out of state license plate in the majority of towns in Oklahoma, except along non-Texas borders is probably Texas. It is easily so in Stillwater. Well behind Texas for no. 2 is Kansas. No. 3 and 4 is not clearcut but is probably California and Arkansas. Other out of state license plates seem so rare in Stillwater that there is no. 5. Some people will say I may be seeing mainly rental cars, so tag observations don't accurately represent where drivers are from or if they are newcomers or just visitors.

None of these are California.

I was just thinking, "This doesn't explain all the CA license plates everybody is seeing"

There are a lot of people coming up from TX right now. Great for continued strength in the housing market. I'm surprised to not see CA on that list. There are still quite a lot of folks relocating from California & west coast in general.

I was just thinking, "This doesn't explain all the CA license plates everybody is seeing"

That's because it's probably confirmation bias at work. If the migration data doesn't match up then the license plate observations are just anecdotal and apparently incorrect as a marker of real population trends.

I've seen a few california tags and couple from ohio and a lot from texas.

I live in the city center and work off of NW Expressway in between meridian and Macarthur and it is rare that I see anything besides OK plates.

There are a lot of people coming up from TX right now. Great for continued strength in the housing market. I'm surprised to not see CA on that list. There are still quite a lot of folks relocating from California & west coast in general.

A google search will show that oklahoma ranks 25 of 50 states that are drawing californians.(usaToday)The number as of 2019 was 7500 people. Less than moved from Arkansas. Down from 8500 in 2015. (The oklahoman)Not mention in previous posts is that per the oklahoman 8000 Okies moved to califronia.(also the oklahoma)We live in a fairly large city with multiple major interstates making it more common to see out of state plates. Go drive the I40 for ten miles. IÂ’ll buy the beer if you can prove you didnt see an Arkansas or Texas plate. My take is yes There are some californians moving to Oklahoma. But not cultured job creating behomoths from SFO or LA area. Most likely like minded people from Bakersfield or Oildale. If youre seeing california plates off the interstate? Its probably the same person youve seen multiple times in your neighborhood.

A google search will show that oklahoma ranks 25 of 50 states that are drawing californians.(usaToday)The number as of 2019 was 7500 people. Less than moved from Arkansas. Down from 8500 in 2015. (The oklahoman)Not mention in previous posts is that per the oklahoman 8000 Okies moved to califronia.(also the oklahoma)We live in a fairly large city with multiple major interstates making it more common to see out of state plates. Go drive the I40 for ten miles. IÂ’ll buy the beer if you can prove you didnt see an Arkansas or Texas plate. My take is yes There are some californians moving to Oklahoma. But not cultured job creating behomoths from SFO or LA area. Most likely like minded people from Bakersfield or Oildale. If youre seeing california plates off the interstate? Its probably the same person youve seen multiple times in your neighborhood.

2019 stats are almost completely irrelevant at this point.

2019 stats are almost completely irrelevant at this point.

I half agree. I dont think the pandemic has heated up the migration market. I sold a house in at the begining of 2020 pre pandemic. Sold by end of the day and i made 10 over asking. Honestly i think oklahoma all but ceasing to build houses after the collapse in 2007-2008 has distorted the real estate situation. Of course the market seems insane. Theres no supply we stopped building houses for 10 years. Couple with most boomers still occupying homes.
Our growth isnt caused by migration from people fleaing the west. Not so much as people having children anyway.
Not gonna lie. If oklahoma wants to draw jobs and population from other states, maybe we dont let our politics do the talking . If i made 500k/a year id be living in the hill country, or Seattle. Probably not Oklahoma. That and i dont want to abandon the other 4 politically like minded people that live here in oklahoma.

I half agree. I dont think the pandemic has heated up the migration market. I sold a house in at the begining of 2020 pre pandemic. Sold by end of the day and i made 10 over asking. Honestly i think oklahoma all but ceasing to build houses after the collapse in 2007-2008 has distorted the real estate situation. Of course the market seems insane. Theres no supply we stopped building houses for 10 years. Couple with most boomers still occupying homes.
Our growth isnt caused by migration from people fleaing the west. Not so much as people having children anyway.
Not gonna lie. If oklahoma wants to draw jobs and population from other states, maybe we dont let our politics do the talking . If i made 500k/a year id be living in the hill country, or Seattle. Probably not Oklahoma. That and i dont want to abandon the other 4 politically like minded people that live here in oklahoma.

Because Texas is just super liberal in mind and thought. Companies don't move there because they are open-minded. They move there because they get tax breaks most states can't afford to give. Mention that, sure. But don't say that Texas is this liberal bastion, compared to Oklahoma.

Someone please tell me why Edmond is building houses about everywhere. Every time I have asked, I've been told people moving from else where

Because Texas is just super liberal in mind and thought. Companies don't move there because they are open-minded. They move there because they get tax breaks most states can't afford to give. Mention that, sure. But don't say that Texas is this liberal bastion, compared to Oklahoma.

I disagree in part. Austin and San Antonio are pretty forward moving. Even Dallas proper. I agree with this if were talking about Dallas Suburbs or Houston.

Because nobody built houses there 10 years. I do confess.. im a transplant. From oklahoma but still i came here to make more money

Because Texas is just super liberal in mind and thought. Companies don't move there because they are open-minded. They move there because they get tax breaks most states can't afford to give. Mention that, sure. But don't say that Texas is this liberal bastion, compared to Oklahoma.

Fair enough, i can buy that. And OKC is the same way, then the rural-heavy legislators gerrymandered the city, and now Oklahoma may never have a Democrat federal legislator (it should be criminal).

Someone please tell me why Edmond is building houses about everywhere. Every time I have asked, I've been told people moving from else where

Edmond is one of the most highly desirable suburbs in Oklahoma to live in.

Someone please tell me why Edmond is building houses about everywhere. Every time I have asked, I've been told people moving from else where

Edmond has good schools, nice amenities, is safe, high incomes in the area, not too close to the city center but not too far away, etc. If you like suburban living Edmond is pretty good. Similar things could be said about the other suburbs though and they are obviously all still exploding.

We're only held back by material and labor still. Mortgage rate increases have slowed things down nationally, but not locally in OK so much that I can see. I've got a neighborhood project in the Tulsa area where a national company is trying to come in and buy up everything they can get their hands on, and we aren't even finalized the site yet.

...I've got a neighborhood project in the Tulsa area where a national company is trying to come in and buy up everything they can get their hands on, and we aren't even finalized the site yet.

Out-of-state corporations are flooding Oklahoma housing market (https://okcfox.com/news/local/out-of-state-corporations-are-flooding-oklahoma-housing-market-real-estate-homeowners-state-representative-mickey-dollens-anti-retaliation-laws)

Someone please tell me why Edmond is building houses about everywhere. Every time I have asked, I've been told people moving from else where

One of the cheapest places in the country to live in if you want high quality schools, amenities of a suburb that is very close to a growing urban core and a safe place to grow a family. Same thing for Deer Creek.

Out-of-state corporations are flooding Oklahoma housing market (https://okcfox.com/news/local/out-of-state-corporations-are-flooding-oklahoma-housing-market-real-estate-homeowners-state-representative-mickey-dollens-anti-retaliation-laws)

We have very business freindly laws that allow this. These companies buy everything they can and turn them into rental properties. They overbid okies. Then the okies have no where to go except rent. Im sure one of these fine investment companies will be happy to rent what would be a 1100 mortgage home to us for $16-$1700 a month. This is verh common in my neighborhood. The house cost $129 5 years ago. This price point is especially especially competitive. I wonder how its all going to work out in about 2 years

out-of-state corporations are flooding oklahoma housing market (https://okcfox.com/news/local/out-of-state-corporations-are-flooding-oklahoma-housing-market-real-estate-homeowners-state-representative-mickey-dollens-anti-retaliation-laws)

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Disturbing. There should be laws. There won't be.

Disturbing. There should be laws. There won't be.

Most states don't have a single law against this.

One of the cheapest places in the country to live in if you want high quality schools, amenities of a suburb that is very close to a growing urban core and a safe place to grow a family. Same thing for Deer Creek.

With the growth, Deer Creek Schools are over capacity in every single classroom in their district if these numbers are correct:

Deer Creek has a capacity of 5817 students for the district, and currently has 7245 students enrolled. I imagine this just gets larger as more houses and built. Not sure what you do with 1400+ extra students and more on the way?

https://www.deercreekschools.org/student_transfer_portal

With the growth, Deer Creek Schools are over capacity in every single classroom in their district if these numbers are correct:

Deer Creek has a capacity of 5817 students for the district, and currently has 7245 students enrolled. I imagine this just gets larger as more houses and built. Not sure what you do with 1400+ extra students and more on the way?

https://www.deercreekschools.org/student_transfer_portal

Man that is nuts how much they've grown. I graduated from DCHS in 2003 and we only had like 1900 students for the entire district back then - around 150 in my graduating class, if memory serves.