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KayneMo
08-12-2021, 01:39 PM
OKC's population at the 2020 Census is 681,054 - an increase of 101,055 (+17.4%) from 2010.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/oklahomacitycityoklahoma/POP010220

Bellaboo
08-12-2021, 01:43 PM
Where's DCSooner ? lol

G.Walker
08-12-2021, 01:50 PM
People don't understand how important this data is. A lot of investors, companies, etc. use this data to decide where to build homes/apartments and expand business operations. I think this next decade with be OKC's best yet!

OKC_Chipper
08-12-2021, 01:58 PM
Where's DCSooner ? lol
Haters are always quiet when confronted with facts that directly contradict their world view.

Jake
08-12-2021, 02:21 PM
Nice to see the city bounce back after almost re-naming the arena "Love's Travel Stops Arena." Was afraid we'd never recover.

LocoAko
08-12-2021, 02:22 PM
This is legitimately exciting news, I think, for the reasons already mentioned. Those other cities on the list are impressive company to be among. And the I-35 corridor from OKC to San Antonio (+ Houston) sticks out a ton...

I'll be very curious once a list of city growth rate percentage is released (limited to maybe >100k or 250k centers, of course). Being the smallest on the list of cities that added 100,000 people would surely rank us at least fairly high among large cities, right? That, and how this ranking compares to metropolitan area growth rankings, which I think is what many people actually associate most cities' reputations with. I think OKC metro's population is disproportionately located in OKC city limits vs. other metro areas so that might skew things in that metric.

KayneMo
08-12-2021, 03:29 PM
Select area cities:
OKC - 681,054 (+101,055 / 17.4% from 2010)
Norman - 128,026 (+17,101 / 15.4%)
Edmond - 94,428 (+13,023 / 16.0%)
Moore - 62,793 (+7,712 / 14.0%)
Midwest City - 58,409 (+4,038 / 7.4%)
Yukon - 23,630 (+921 / 4.1%)
Del City - 21,822 (+490 / 2.3%)
Bethany - 20,831 (+1,780 / 9.3%)
Mustang - 19,879 (+2,484 / 14.3%)
Warr Acres - 10,452 (+409 / 4.1%)
The Village - 9,538 (+609 / 6.8%)
Piedmont - 7,402 (+1,682 / 29.4%)

OKC Metro
Oklahoma County - 796,292 (+77,659 / 10.8%)
Cleveland - 295,528 (+39,773 / 15.6%)
Canadian - 154,405 (+38,864 / 33.6%)
Grady - 54,795 (+2,364 / 4.5%)
Logan - 49,555 (+7,707 / 18.4%)
McClain - 41,662 (+7,156 / 20.7%)
Lincoln - 33,458 (-815 / 2.4%)
Total - 1,425,695 (+172,708 / 13.8%)

Lincoln is the only county in the metro that lost population.

shavethewhales
08-12-2021, 03:37 PM
It's amazing news, especially because there is so much more room to grow and develop OKC. I feel like the city has made a ton of progress in the last ten years, but the best is still ahead of us. This data will have strong implications for things like mass transit decisions, corporate growth, and all sorts of funding decisions. Growth often begets growth, and not only does OKC have a lot of critical mass, but the Texas corridor is growing to our advantage.

Norman also grew by over 12% over the past decade.

Tulsa has slugged behind by a mere 2.3%, but at least we are growing. Some of the burbs are doing much better: Broken Arrow: 11.5%, Owasso: 23.7%!!!, Sapulpa: 5.4%. Will be interesting to see a full metro comparison.

soonerguru
08-12-2021, 03:57 PM
What is amazing is when you look at this photo, showing the color representations of where the growth occurred. It is clear that Tulsa is just stagnant. It's a nice city, no doubt, but it isn't growing. OKC is growing between 15-18 percent, which is the second highest segment tracked. OKC should be closing in on 900,000 residents in the next decade. The metro area will probably be pushing 1.75-2 million by then.


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BG918
08-12-2021, 04:10 PM
Great news for the OKC metro. Tulsa lagging behind but I see that metro catching up quite a bit this decade, lots of positive momentum there right now. Rural Oklahoma will continue to bleed residents other than college towns. Even counties that used to have decent growth because of outdoor recreation like Delaware County (Grand Lake) lost population this past decade. I wonder if this next decade will see more spillover from growing metros in adjacent states like Choctaw and Marshall counties next to
Texas (DFW) and Adair and Delaware counties next to Arkansas.

Cool map showing county Census results for the entire country
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8m29LJWUAIJLJ3?format=jpg&name=large

stlokc
08-12-2021, 04:12 PM
I haven't done the research, but I have to think the OKC metro area is one of the very, very few in the country where the highest percentage population growth in the metro occurred in the central city itself. (well, except for Piedmont). Obviously this is because so much of the suburban fringe is in the city proper (I think of everything due west of Edmond that can keep growing almost limitlessly, along with the land surrounding Yukon and Mustang)

There is an argument to be made, in terms of infrastructure cost, that OKC should deannex a lot of its rural portions. They should. But I would keep everything west of I-35.

Snowman
08-12-2021, 04:33 PM
What is amazing is when you look at this photo, showing the color representations of where the growth occurred. It is clear that Tulsa is just stagnant. It's a nice city, no doubt, but it isn't growing. OKC is growing between 15-18 percent, which is the second highest segment tracked. OKC should be closing in on 900,000 residents in the next decade. The metro area will probably be pushing 1.75-2 million by then.


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Some of that may be related to there is relatively little farmland that can be converted to suburbs left within Tulsa city limits, so basically all the suburban growth for them is happening in their suburbs, where OKC still is still building a ton of housing adjacent to multiple of it's suburbs. Both have been working on brining new housing options in or near downtown, but generally the pricing makes them a somewhat niche market, and even there it seems like there is more of that happening in OKC.

shavethewhales
08-12-2021, 04:52 PM
What is amazing is when you look at this photo, showing the color representations of where the growth occurred. It is clear that Tulsa is just stagnant. It's a nice city, no doubt, but it isn't growing. OKC is growing between 15-18 percent, which is the second highest segment tracked. OKC should be closing in on 900,000 residents in the next decade. The metro area will probably be pushing 1.75-2 million by then.


LOL, no need to dump all over Tulsa. Tulsa is in fact growing, as your image showed. Not sure what you are on about. OKC is growing aggressively, which is to be expected thanks to some major structural advantages it has (State Capital, major universities, proximity to Texas, existing size advantage, etc.). Tulsa is still growing though, at a reasonable steady pace. Tulsa suburbs such as Owasso and Broken Arrow are still rapidly growing. Not every city is going to see 10%+ growth all the time. Tulsa itself is pretty landlocked and doesn't have the gargantuan city limits that OKC has. There is a bit of room for growth on the east side that will continue to fill in with mostly single family suburbs, but after that it's all vertical in-fill within the actual limits.

I'm glad OKC is growing so quickly. The state needs it and I'm OK with Tulsa growing more slowly and steadily.

Bunty
08-12-2021, 05:33 PM
Select area cities:
OKC - 681,054 (+101,055 / 17.4% from 2010)
Norman - 128,026 (+17,101 / 15.4%)
Edmond - 94,428 (+13,023 / 16.0%)
Moore - 62,793 (+7,712 / 14.0%)
Midwest City - 58,409 (+4,038 / 7.4%)
Yukon - 23,630 (+921 / 4.1%)
Del City - 21,822 (+490 / 2.3%)
Bethany - 20,831 (+1,780 / 9.3%)
Mustang - 19,879 (+2,484 / 14.3%)
Warr Acres - 10,452 (+409 / 4.1%)
The Village - 9,538 (+609 / 6.8%)
Piedmont - 7,402 (+1,682 / 29.4%)

OKC Metro
Oklahoma County - 796,292 (+77,659 / 10.8%)
Cleveland - 295,528 (+39,773 / 15.6%)
Canadian - 154,405 (+38,864 / 33.6%)
Grady - 54,795 (+2,364 / 4.5%)
Logan - 49,555 (+7,707 / 18.4%)
McClain - 41,662 (+7,156 / 20.7%)
Lincoln - 33,458 (-815 / 2.4%)
Total - 1,425,695 (+172,708 / 13.8%)

Lincoln is the only county in the metro that lost population.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma won't be getting a new metro with Stillwater 2020 pop. at 48,394. COVID-19 shutdown was surely rough on the OSU student count. But the 2021 estimate had it just under 50,000.

ChrisHayes
08-12-2021, 05:40 PM
Select area cities:
OKC - 681,054 (+101,055 / 17.4% from 2010)
Norman - 128,026 (+17,101 / 15.4%)
Edmond - 94,428 (+13,023 / 16.0%)
Moore - 62,793 (+7,712 / 14.0%)
Midwest City - 58,409 (+4,038 / 7.4%)
Yukon - 23,630 (+921 / 4.1%)
Del City - 21,822 (+490 / 2.3%)
Bethany - 20,831 (+1,780 / 9.3%)
Mustang - 19,879 (+2,484 / 14.3%)
Warr Acres - 10,452 (+409 / 4.1%)
The Village - 9,538 (+609 / 6.8%)
Piedmont - 7,402 (+1,682 / 29.4%)

OKC Metro
Oklahoma County - 796,292 (+77,659 / 10.8%)
Cleveland - 295,528 (+39,773 / 15.6%)
Canadian - 154,405 (+38,864 / 33.6%)
Grady - 54,795 (+2,364 / 4.5%)
Logan - 49,555 (+7,707 / 18.4%)
McClain - 41,662 (+7,156 / 20.7%)
Lincoln - 33,458 (-815 / 2.4%)
Total - 1,425,695 (+172,708 / 13.8%)

Lincoln is the only county in the metro that lost population.

I'm amazed at the lack of real growth of Yukon. I thought it would be more than that. Del City I can understand though!

BG918
08-12-2021, 05:49 PM
This is from the Tulsa World, the higher growth in OKC will have an effect on the OK House and Senate. Also interesting to see the two most urbanized counties, Oklahoma and Tulsa, both had the same amount of growth at 11%:


In the current redistricting process, one House and one Senate district from the Tulsa area are being transferred to greater Oklahoma City, and several House districts that formerly stretched from Oklahoma City suburbs far into the country will lose their rural constituencies.

Broadly speaking, Thursday's figures verified preliminary observations about the accelerating shift of population to Oklahoma's two largest metropolitan areas and particularly Oklahoma City.

Tulsa and Oklahoma counties both grew at about 11% over the decade, but the Oklahoma City MSA, or metropolitan statistical area, added almost 170,000 residents, to more than 1.4 million — an increase of 13.3%

The Tulsa MSA grew by a little over 60,000, or 6.7%, to about 1 million. Three of Tulsa MSA's counties — Okmulgee, Pawnee and Osage — lost population during the decade.

Snowman
08-12-2021, 06:15 PM
I'm amazed at the lack of real growth of Yukon. I thought it would be more than that. Del City I can understand though!

The bulk of growth in the Yukon/Mustang area in the last ten years is actually in OKC limits, so those numbers do not reflect the large amount of growth within 3 miles of i40 in that area.

Plutonic Panda
08-12-2021, 06:45 PM
Wow

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Swake
08-12-2021, 06:53 PM
This is from the Tulsa World, the higher growth in OKC will have an effect on the OK House and Senate. Also interesting to see the two most urbanized counties, Oklahoma and Tulsa, both had the same amount of growth at 11%:

Tulsa's MSA grew by 77,853 or 8.3% to 1,015,331. Tulsa city grew by 21,062 or 5.4% to 413,066.

The south side suburbs really grew. Jenks by 53.3%, Bixby by 37%. Broken Arrow grew by 14.8% and is now at 113,540.

Bellaboo
08-12-2021, 09:08 PM
I'm amazed at the lack of real growth of Yukon. I thought it would be more than that. Del City I can understand though!

Yukon is landlocked with OKC surrounding. A lot of growth but Yukon does not have much land left to develop. People think it's Yukon proper, but it is actually OKC limits.

SEMIweather
08-12-2021, 10:14 PM
Yukon has a pretty good amount of land north of Route 66, but I'm assuming most of it is in a floodplain. You could probably make the case that OKC de-annexing the four square miles bounded by NW 10th, Route 66, Frisco, and Cimarron would be good for both parties.

Laramie
08-12-2021, 10:15 PM
Good steady growth for Oklahoma City:

OKC’s population increased from 579,999 in 2010 to 681,054 in the newest census data – that’s an increase of 101,055!

Oklahoma City Metropolitan Area 1,425,695 (+172,708 / 13.8%)

unfundedrick
08-12-2021, 10:41 PM
Yukon has a pretty good amount of land north of Route 66, but I'm assuming most of it is in a floodplain. You could probably make the case that OKC de-annexing the four square miles bounded by NW 10th, Route 66, Frisco, and Cimarron would be good for both parties.

Yukon has only developed maybe a quarter of their area. Most of the remaining is to the North and West so it will develop slower than the areas to the South and East of Yukon.

17044

You're right about the flood plain situation.

https://www.canadiancounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/4/Floodplain-Map?bidId=

BG918
08-12-2021, 11:05 PM
Yukon has only developed maybe a quarter of their area. Most of the remaining is to the North and West so it will develop slower than the areas to the South and East of Yukon.

17044

You're right about the flood plain situation.

https://www.canadiancounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/4/Floodplain-Map?bidId=

Norman also has floodplain issues on the west side of the city that limits residential growth

TheTravellers
08-13-2021, 09:24 AM
Haters are always quiet when confronted with facts that directly contradict their world view.

You don't post in or read the politics forum, do you? :D

WheelerD Guy
08-13-2021, 09:28 AM
Paging dcsooner to the white courtesy phone. dcsooner to the white courtesy phone.

dcsooner
08-13-2021, 10:32 AM
Paging dcsooner to the white courtesy phone. dcsooner to the white courtesy phone.

Hey, I'm here. What you need. I'm prepping my take on this growth news, be patient

soonerguru
08-13-2021, 10:44 AM
I did not “dump all over Tulsa.” I pointed out that its growth is stagnant. 22,000 in ten years? Metro growth of 60,000 in ten years. It is clear that the OKC metro area is one of the fastest growing regions in the US, and that the presentation by the OKC economist was correct: Oklahoma City is a bigger city than Tulsa, and will become a much bigger city over the next decade.

For perspective, Norman nearly added as many people as Tulsa in the same time period.

soonerguru
08-13-2021, 11:18 AM
Some of that may be related to there is relatively little farmland that can be converted to suburbs left within Tulsa city limits, so basically all the suburban growth for them is happening in their suburbs, where OKC still is still building a ton of housing adjacent to multiple of it's suburbs. Both have been working on brining new housing options in or near downtown, but generally the pricing makes them a somewhat niche market, and even there it seems like there is more of that happening in OKC.

I would agree with this take but the entire metro grew significantly, not just OKC.

dcsooner
08-13-2021, 11:43 AM
I am extremely happy about the increased population growth experienced by OKC metro. OKC has made extraordinary progress in transforming into a City that people want to live. I have very high hopes that improvements in culinary, entertainment as well as increasing employment opportunities and salaries will only accelerate this trend. I have long hoped that OKC and Oklahoma could reach a point where residents don't feel they have to move away to Texas or elsewhere. OKC has the potential to became a City of considerable size IF they can follow thru with the forward looking plans for development (innovation district, proper development of the mill site, greater development of the river and connectivity of the Adventure District to make it more accessible to visitors and nor feel so distant.

OKC business community continues to step up by revitalizing downtown buildings, sponsoring our NBA team ( which I feel is extremely valuable to branding and perception) and many other ways. Hobby Lobby, PAYCOM, LOVES, DEVON, Cheasapeake, et al have IMO been great corporate citizens.

I would be remiss if I did not applaud the citizens of OKC who have taxed themselves via MAPS to improve the City. They deserve a whole lot of credit

As for Tulsa, very disappointing that the city remains stagnant growth wise. Baffling, the 2d most scenic part of the part of the State, lakes etc. but it's a city divided by race and economics which doesn't lend itself attracting residents. Each time I see an episode of 48 hours in Tulsa I think, poverty, high crime, drugs etc. Not a good look and the leadership there doesn't seem to be making a difference. Not a fan of the Mayor at all.

KayneMo
08-13-2021, 11:49 AM
OKC moved up 9 places from 2010 to be the 22nd largest city in the US, and was the 8th fastest growing city of the 50 largest cities. Faster growing cities were Fort Worth (+24.0%), Austin (+21.7%), Seattle (+21.1%), Charlotte (+19.6%), Denver (+19.2%), Omaha (+18.9%), and Atlanta (+18.7%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

soonerguru
08-13-2021, 11:53 AM
Agree about the Tulsa mayor — phony baloney.

Drumroll: OKC JUMPED 9 SPOTS AND IS NOW THE 22nd LARGEST AMERICAN CITY!!

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Snowman
08-13-2021, 01:14 PM
OKC moved up 9 places from 2010 to be the 22nd largest city in the US, and was the 8th fastest growing city of the 50 largest cities. Faster growing cities were Fort Worth (+24.0%), Austin (+21.7%), Seattle (+21.1%), Charlotte (+19.6%), Denver (+19.2%), Omaha (+18.9%), and Atlanta (+18.7%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

On the metro population, we only moved up one passing Memphis. Though it looks like if trends continue Raleigh will probably pass us soon, though three of the next four larger ones are barely growing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

FighttheGoodFight
08-13-2021, 01:51 PM
I thought this map was an interesting way to see the whole of the US and how much rural to urban movement there is:

https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/census-data-shows-oklahoma-has-become-less-white-more-urban#stream/0

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soonerguru
08-13-2021, 02:33 PM
That map also shows where people live, so whenever people make a big deal about "all those counties that voted for Trump" it shows you how misleading and irrelevant that is.

Plutonic Panda
08-13-2021, 02:59 PM
Definitely shows that people are moving from rural to urban counties:

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/watch-now-census-data-indicates-two-thirds-of-oklahoma-counties-lost-population-during-the-last/article_6b7308f4-fb95-11eb-8c0b-17214be9581d.html

dcsooner
08-13-2021, 03:19 PM
Definitely shows that people are moving from rural to urban counties:

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/watch-now-census-data-indicates-two-thirds-of-oklahoma-counties-lost-population-during-the-last/article_6b7308f4-fb95-11eb-8c0b-17214be9581d.html

There are not enough jobs for people to stay and earn a living. Oklahoma has got to be a State with very low large manufacturing opportunities. Upper midwest, SE etc rural areas are dotted with large plants that employ people from a regional perspective. Never understood why Oklahoma for the most part fails to compete for or loses out on large 1-3k manufacturing. My home town Lawton is a prime example. One Goodyear plant and Fort Sill. Been the case for at least 30- 40 years

progressiveboy
08-13-2021, 04:04 PM
Where's DCSooner ? lol Very classy Bellaboo, lol.

progressiveboy
08-13-2021, 04:08 PM
Great news for OKC! I sincerely hope it can continue the momentum and long term sustainability. A great city either declines or continues to march forward!

Bellaboo
08-13-2021, 04:08 PM
Very classy Bellaboo, lol.

He showed up, he's Okay.

BG918
08-13-2021, 04:16 PM
For perspective, Norman nearly added as many people as Tulsa in the same time period.

To be fair Norman is 190 sq miles and Tulsa is 201 sq miles with a large majority already built-out. So suburban development in Tulsa generally goes to the suburbs so city population growth is stunted. The south and southeastern sides of the Tulsa metro are the fastest growing and Tulsa city limits are built-out to the south and southeast with the only remaining growth area in the southwest adjacent to Jenks. And that area will likely be built-out by the end of this decade.

Norman has the benefit of not only being the state's higher education center but also a nearby suburb of OKC so it captures growth from OU and as a bedroom community.

FighttheGoodFight
08-13-2021, 04:41 PM
To be fair Norman is 190 sq miles and Tulsa is 201 sq miles with a large majority already built-out. So suburban development in Tulsa generally goes to the suburbs so city population growth is stunted. The south and southeastern sides of the Tulsa metro are the fastest growing and Tulsa city limits are built-out to the south and southeast with the only remaining growth area in the southwest adjacent to Jenks. And that area will likely be built-out by the end of this decade.

Norman has the benefit of not only being the state's higher education center but also a nearby suburb of OKC so it captures growth from OU and as a bedroom community.

Do we know if they count students? Or only residents? I feel like with students added for a while the population of Norman really goes up. Good tax dollars.

Snowman
08-13-2021, 04:54 PM
Do we know if they count students? Or only residents? I feel like with students added for a while the population of Norman really goes up. Good tax dollars.

Collage students are suppose to count themselves where they live/sleep most of the time, granted I would not be shocked if there is a lot of students not filling/returning out a census or parents just count them on theirs.

Jake
08-13-2021, 05:10 PM
Tulsa not having a public university within the metro really hinders their ceiling for growth. Wish OSU-Tulsa could somehow grow and function as a de facto one.

soonerguru
08-13-2021, 05:12 PM
Definitely shows that people are moving from rural to urban counties:

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/watch-now-census-data-indicates-two-thirds-of-oklahoma-counties-lost-population-during-the-last/article_6b7308f4-fb95-11eb-8c0b-17214be9581d.html

It's hilarious that the Tulsa World article managed to not say "Oklahoma City" once. Talk about little brother syndrome, especially in light of the fact that OKC was the 8th fastest growing city in the US.

This must burn them up.

Swake
08-13-2021, 05:18 PM
The Tulsa World articles numbers are wrong, they used the estimated percentages, not the actuals.

The city of Tulsa is locked in by the inner ring of suburbs. Oklahoma City is not. Tulsa County actually grew very slightly faster than Oklahoma County. Tulsa County grew by 65,849 people to 669,279, a 10.9% increase. Oklahoma County grew by 77,659 people to 796,292, a 10.8% increase.

OKC's greater growth was in the suburban counties over Tulsa's suburban counties. Tulsa's metro growth, which was actually 8.3%, not 6% as stated by the TW, was hurt by population losses in Okmulgee, Osage and Pawnee counties. Even so, it was nothing like the suburban Oklahoma City growth.

Swake
08-13-2021, 05:22 PM
It's hilarious that the Tulsa World article managed to not say "Oklahoma City" once. Talk about little brother syndrome, especially in light of the fact that OKC was the 8th fastest growing city in the US.

This must burn them up.

What are you talking about? The article mentions Oklahoma City NINE times and Oklahoma County several more. Including this:



Broadly speaking, Thursday’s figures verified preliminary observations about the accelerating shift of population to Oklahoma’s two largest metropolitan areas and particularly Oklahoma City.

Tulsa and Oklahoma counties both grew at about 11% over the decade, but the Oklahoma City MSA, or metropolitan statistical area, added almost 170,000 residents, to more than 1.4 million — an increase of 13.3%

Bunty
08-13-2021, 08:12 PM
Collage students are suppose to count themselves where they live/sleep most of the time, granted I would not be shocked if there is a lot of students not filling/returning out a census or parents just count them on theirs.

At least Norman didn't seem impacted by OU closing down for the Pandemic for online learning in March 2020. The 2020 population is over 3000 more than the 2019 estimate.

Bunty
08-13-2021, 08:24 PM
There are not enough jobs for people to stay and earn a living. Oklahoma has got to be a State with very low large manufacturing opportunities. Upper midwest, SE etc rural areas are dotted with large plants that employ people from a regional perspective. Never understood why Oklahoma for the most part fails to compete for or loses out on large 1-3k manufacturing. My home town Lawton is a prime example. One Goodyear plant and Fort Sill. Been the case for at least 30- 40 years

Amazing then that Tulsa came in 2nd place for the Tesla truck plant. Manufacturing has gone out of this country so much I think it's been rare for a new plant to employ as many 1-3k since for a long time, especially in Oklahoma. Advances in automation explain some of it. Mercury Marine employed as many as 1200 before it closed. The company that bought the plant in 2012, ASCO, expected only to employ up to 600 but still far from there with around 150 currently.

Plutonic Panda
08-13-2021, 08:52 PM
Now rivian is considering Fort Worth for a new plant and no mention of anywhere in Oklahoma for consideration. :/

BG918
08-13-2021, 10:01 PM
Now rivian is considering Fort Worth for a new plant and no mention of anywhere in Oklahoma for consideration. :/

Fort Worth and Mesa AZ are in the running. OK is well-positioned for future expansion of EV manufacturing just a matter of time. We are at the beginning of a major gold rush where there will be lots of companies trying to get into the market but only a handful will survive and thrive. Hopefully Canoo will get off the ground and attract others to NE Oklahoma.

Plutonic Panda
08-13-2021, 10:22 PM
I’m really rooting for Canoo. Hopefully they make it.

Rover
08-13-2021, 10:46 PM
Tulsa not having a public university within the metro really hinders their ceiling for growth. Wish OSU-Tulsa could somehow grow and function as a de facto one.

Tulsa JC is over 20,000 students

brianinok
08-14-2021, 07:06 AM
Collage students are suppose to count themselves where they live/sleep most of the time, granted I would not be shocked if there is a lot of students not filling/returning out a census or parents just count them on theirs.I remember when I was in college in 2000, my parents did not count me on their census form because it was clear as I lived in a dorm at college. But no-one at my college that I knew ever got a form. I don't think any of us who lived on-campus at OBU were ever counted. I have no idea if the process for counting college students has become more efficient in the last 20 years, but it was a clear under-count in 2000. They missed my friends and me at OBU for sure.

Dob Hooligan
08-14-2021, 05:29 PM
I’m really rooting for Canoo. Hopefully they make it.

I would like to see Rivian sell their first vehicles before I get excited about a second plant.

HOT ROD
08-15-2021, 06:00 PM
all I can say is when I was at UW in Seattle back in the day that I was counted in the numbers for Seattle and not OKC where I was from.

OU must do it differently because its Hard to believe Norman's official population includes students; I'd expect Norman to be near 200K if students were counted.

Now to OKC - congratulations!!! And just think the numbers would likely have been even higher if we didn't have the coronavirus pandemic and if we didn't have the contraction in the fossil energy sector. Hopefully with this more "organic" rapid growth OKC can start to better make the case to companies that it is truly an up and coming city. We should at the very least target companies considering N Texas for more than just lower cost of living, less traffic blah blah - how about 8th fastest growing city in the US, even during a pandemic. ....

It should be also stated that metro cities in OKC need to also step up. MOST of the growth was in OKC, and like it or not almost none was in the far rural and watershed catchment areas that make up the city limits. I think Edmond (and Norman) should really try to think big - see Bellevue WA for insight. Only in Edmond's case it wouldn't be trying to steal from OKC, look to poach from Dallas/Ft Worth area, Houston, Denver, etc for REAL growth to the OKC metro.

My hope is that for 2030 OKC itself likely will get to 800,000 residents and the metro area double's the city's growth to reach 1.7-2.0m. Big goals (esp for the metro cities) but I hope OKC should have one or two breakout suburbs than anchor business and residential growth and not just the OKC city limits.

Laramie
08-15-2021, 07:19 PM
You will see the metro begin its boom with cities like Norman (128,026) and the suburbs like Edmond (94,428), Midwest City-Del City (80,231) and Moore (62,793) eclipse 100,000. Norman and Moore represent 190,819.

Our inner-city will continue healthy growth because of the abundance of land area within the corporate OKC limits, some of which have lots of potential. The growth of these bedroom and collegiate cities will continue to define the metropolitan areas growth.

Plutonic Panda
08-15-2021, 08:18 PM
Edmond thinking big LolooOloLOLO… they oppose every goddamn development that isn’t a cookie cutter strip mall or low density housing. Just ask Midtowner all about it and he’ll tell why. Just don’t upset him or else you’ll be another asshole with an opinion. ;)

Laramie
08-15-2021, 11:17 PM
Edmond thinking big LolooOloLOLO… they oppose every goddamn development that isn’t a cookie cutter strip mall or low density housing. Just ask Midtowner all about it and he’ll tell why. Just don’t upset him or else you’ll be another asshole with an opinion. ;)

Edmond (IMO) have always been on a high horse--in a good way. This is a city that demands quality; not quantity.

mugofbeer
08-15-2021, 11:24 PM
Sort-of, they could do a lot bettet still.