It is from the state of Oklahoma unemployment website.

These are the current requirements; was probably different when you were on it, as they briefly relaxed things during the height of Covid.

I was on it one time previously for about two weeks in 2013. The requirements then were the same as they were when they pulled back the relaxed pandemic work search requirements. If that is actually what’s required when you file now and not just the listed requirements on the website, that would be new since January 2021.

The point is, you are required to look for work while receiving unemployment benefits.

So the idea that our unemployment rate is low due to people receiving benefits and not being counted in the survey as being out of work is completely incorrect.

It is from the state of Oklahoma unemployment website.

These are the current requirements; was probably different when you were on it, as they briefly relaxed things during the height of Covid.

From the state unemployment page under Number 4(After you file):




Perform two (2) work search efforts each week benefits are claimed. Keep a record of these work searches for auditing purposes, by using a tracker such as our Work Search Form (https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/ok/en/oesc/documents/forms/oes-forms/oes-622-work-search-form.pdf). A completed, example form can be found HERE (https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/ok/en/oesc/documents/forms/oes-forms/oes-622-work-search-form-example.pdf).

Job searches can be done through okjobmatch.com, as well as other websites such as Indeed.com or LinkedIn.com




https://oklahoma.gov/oesc/individuals.html

To return back to the topic, the Oklahoma City metropolitan statistical area, added 15,387 people to its population between July 1, 2019 and July 1, 2020 for a total of 1,425,375. Tulsa metro has gone over 1 million for the first time.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/tulsas-area-population-tops-1-million-for-first-time-ever-census-bureau-data-says/article_92eda23c-ace3-11eb-b51f-af0d39031dee.html#tracking-source=home-breaking

Interested to see if any counties are added to the MSA’s for OKC and Tulsa or if they just remain in the CSA. I think Pottawottamie and Kingfisher Counties get added which would be an additional ~72k and ~16k respectively for the OKC metro (1,513,375 total). And in Tulsa Washington, Muskogee and Mayes Counties get added for an additional ~52k, ~68k and ~42k respectively for the Tulsa metro (1,168,500 total). Combined both metros would be 2,681,175 or 67% of Oklahoma’s total population.

I think Payne County remains separate for now, not quite enough commuting between Stillwater and either OKC or Tulsa. It will be interesting to see if that changes, I think the OKC metro would likely snatch it based on development patterns in Edmond/Guthrie.

I think Payne County remains separate for now, not quite enough commuting between Stillwater and either OKC or Tulsa. It will be interesting to see if that changes, I think the OKC metro would likely snatch it based on development patterns in Edmond/Guthrie.
I think Stillwater identifies too closely with its manufacturing plants and most of all OSU to be a suburb of OKC or Tulsa. If degree of media penetration figures in, then Tulsa would lose big. OKC strongly dominates most of the media.

If Stillwater is lucky enough in the final 2020 census figures, it will be Oklahoma's new metro, assuming minimum population requirement to become a metro isn't raised to 100,000.

This is Anecdotal, of course, but I’ve never seen so many West Coast / non-rental car license plates driving around OKC.

They seem to be moving here in Droves.

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I have yet to see one.

And I think it's safe to say I am all over OKC on a regular basis.

This is Anecdotal, of course, but I’ve never seen so many West Coast / non-rental car license plates driving around OKC.

They seem to be moving here in Droves.

I can't say for sure if it's droves, but on the various Oklahoma subreddits there has absolutely been an uptick of "moving to Oklahoma" posts by folks looking for information. I've been mentally ascribing it to a supposition that a lot of moves and such were put on hold during the height of the pandemic, so now they're starting to happen. I'm not sure if the totality will end up being higher than normal though.

This is Anecdotal, of course, but I’ve never seen so many West Coast / non-rental car license plates driving around OKC.

They seem to be moving here in Droves.

Sometimes people just see what they want to. And anecdotal just means "a rumor I'm starting without any facts". We all know you are adamant that Cal with all those liberal commies will close down soon and the good ole gun-toters will move to OK.

Just curious how you know the rental from the non-rental at the stoplight. When I rent cars there's no sticker on it saying Hertz, or National.

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I have yet to see one.

And I think it's safe to say I am all over OKC on a regular basis.

Anecdotal as well, but I’ve talked to at least 10-15 people in passing up in Tulsa that have moved from either the east or west coast. Several were for the Tulsa remote program but some, similar to you, had ties here and were tired of the high price/pace of the coasts and wanted a change. The Tulsa Remote program is a pretty cool deal, I wish OKC had someone like Kaiser that could set up something like that. I’ve talked to several people that moved here through it from Michigan, CA, NYC, and others that have all been very impressed with Tulsa, OKC and OK as a whole and have kind of become ambassadors when they visit home. The one from NYC was from NY originally and all her friends thought she was nuts. Since then they’ve come to visit and have all left very impressed. The one from Michigan (actually wasn’t Tulsa remote but moved here on a museum contract) likes it so much that she’s actively trying to find a way to stay even though her contract is about to be up. I also have several friends that moved home from NYC, Austin and others that are now allowed to work remotely and plan to stay.

To further the point of the thread, OK in general really has a good thing going, especially post pandemic, for individuals that can work remotely. The hard part as mentioned is getting the large corporate relocations that provide the huge population boost. Tulsa finally made it over 1,000,000 residents in the MSA so now the state has two cities over 1M.

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Yet as of the 2020 census, Oklahoma is below average in national growth.

Of course people are moving here from other places as Americans are more mobile than ever. But there are reasons those numbers remain low, as has been rehashed many times.

Oklahoma City doesn't need a remote program as much as Tulsa. Oklahoma City grew faster than Portland, OR from 2000-2020 and 2015-2020. It would likely give Oklahoma City a negative, rather than positive image from looking like it has to bribe people to move there. Positive word of mouth boasting likely sells better.

This is Anecdotal, of course, but I’ve never seen so many West Coast / non-rental car license plates driving around OKC.

They seem to be moving here in Droves.

I live in a downtown apartment complex with a large parking garage. Most of the out of state tags are from Texas followed by California, and Colorado. There are quite a few Washington state plates as well.

I live in a downtown apartment complex with a large parking garage. Most of the out of state tags are from Texas followed by California, and Colorado. There are quite a few Washington state plates as well.

Definitely refreshing to see so many of those Folks moving to OKC.
I can’t blame them at all.
It is turning the Corner.

Definitely refreshing to see so many of those Folks moving to OKC.
I can’t blame them at all.
It is turning the Corner.

Didn't we just get a census report on who is moving in and out, and from where? Seems like our net growth is coming more internally than from move-ins. Numbers don't support this claim of huge influx of people.

Didn't we just get a census report on who is moving in and out, and from where? Seems like our net growth is coming more internally than from move-ins. Numbers don't support this claim of huge influx of people.

Not sure if we got those detailed numbers yet. Just that we only grew by 5.5% which is well below the 7% average and also well below the 9% when we went from 2000 to 2010.

I do want to see those to see why Utah increased 18%. I am wondering how much of it is births versus people from CA moving there. Since the birth rate keeps falling in the US (I believe it is at the lowest ever right now) and with people of the Mormon faith still ranking high with 3.4 births per maybe that boosted the increase even more.

I like reading numbers.

This got linked earlier, but the data is from 2014-2018. I'd love to see an updated list:

https://kfor.com/news/where-are-new-people-moving-to-oklahoma-city-coming-from/

Oklahoma City doesn't need a remote program as much as Tulsa. Oklahoma City grew faster than Portland, OR from 2000-2020 and 2015-2020. It would likely give Oklahoma City a negative, rather than positive image from looking like it has to bribe people to move there. Positive word of mouth boasting likely sells better.

agreed, as I've said numerous times. Is there any major metropolitan area city doing this? The people have and will naturally move to OKC or any big city as long as there's a reason to.

Now bribing companies or sports teams. ... Get on it OKC!!!

@Rover, true in-state moves into OKC were the biggest single moves; with moves from Tulsa being the biggest single net migration by far.

BUT, I bet if you total up all of the out-of-state migration into OKC it is sizeable enough to justify this conversation. ... There may not necessarily be droves of people moving into OKC from all locations in the same amounts as the tens of thousands apparently that moving into OKC from Tulsa as you put it but add them up ...., and, there definitely arey more moves into OKC from outside of state than anywhere else in the state. Again, justifies this conversation.

Antidote - I visited OKC recently (I was one of those Washington tags you saw midtowner, hehe) and I too saw many tags from out of state including a BMW from Seattle, Washington as we were waiting in line at Raising Canes. lol.

Remember that Boeing did relocate a LOT of employees and there have been other adds that people aren't realizing.

agreed, as I've said numerous times. Is there any major metropolitan area city doing this? The people have and will naturally move to OKC or any big city as long as there's a reason to.

Now bribing companies or sports teams. ... Get on it OKC!!!

Not a major metropolitan area but NW Arkansas has a similar program. Like Tulsa’s it’s funded by a private foundation (Walton) and even though the area is fast-growing they want to diversify the economy and attract tech workers that can work remotely. Same purpose as Tulsa Remote.

Every city/state bribes companies to come to their city/state in the form of tax incentives. These are government funded aka your tax dollars. Look at the Texas cities, think all of those companies would relocate there without incentives (bribes)? In the case of Tulsa Remote or the program in NW Arkansas it’s not a government doing the bribing it’s a private foundation and instead of targeting companies it targets individuals. Not sure why any city would not want this arrangement.

@Rover, true in-state moves into OKC were the biggest single moves; with moves from Tulsa being the biggest single net migration by far.

BUT, I bet if you total up all of the out-of-state migration into OKC it is sizeable enough to justify this conversation. ... There may not necessarily be droves of people moving into OKC from all locations in the same amounts as the tens of thousands apparently that moving into OKC from Tulsa as you put it but add them up ...., and, there definitely arey more moves into OKC from outside of state than anywhere else in the state. Again, justifies this conversation.

Antidote - I visited OKC recently (I was one of those Washington tags you saw midtowner, hehe) and I too saw many tags from out of state including a BMW from Seattle, Washington as we were waiting in line at Raising Canes. lol.

Remember that Boeing did relocate a LOT of employees and there have been other adds that people aren't realizing.
Yes, there were move ins, but not in droves as some imply. And the fact we have more than Tulsa or the rest of the state isn’t surprising or significant. Without context this is all meaningless. The real issue is NET migration and the economics of why. It boils down to job opportunities and cost of living.

https://www.prb.org/usdata/indicator/migration/snapshot

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/migration050621a.jpg

Didn't we just get a census report on who is moving in and out, and from where? Seems like our net growth is coming more internally than from move-ins. Numbers don't support this claim of huge influx of people.

I don't think anyone is claiming that there's a huge influx from out of state, just that it seems more noticeable than it has in the past.

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To the extent people are seeing more out-of-state license plates (and personally, I'm still not seeing them) it's probably due to Covid restrictions being lifted more than anything else.

Of course, what we don't see is when people with Oklahoma plates move elsewhere, which also happens a lot. I can think of many more people I know who have left the state vs. people who have moved here. I know from my high school class database and my network of friends from OU that half or more are no longer in Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City doesn't need a remote program as much as Tulsa. Oklahoma City grew faster than Portland, OR from 2000-2020 and 2015-2020. It would likely give Oklahoma City a negative, rather than positive image from looking like it has to bribe people to move there. Positive word of mouth boasting likely sells better.

I disagree. I don't think anyone sees it as a bribe, especially in light of the newfound popularity and acceptance of remote working arrangements. It's a good way to capture the market of remote workers looking to move off the coasts who otherwise wouldn't choose OK.

I disagree. I don't think anyone sees it as a bribe, especially in light of the newfound popularity and acceptance of remote working arrangements. It's a good way to capture the market of remote workers looking to move off the coasts who otherwise wouldn't choose OK.

One of the main things Tulsa Remote, along with the Holberton School, is trying to achieve is a critical mass in tech jobs and workers.

https://www.holbertonschool.com/campus_life/tulsa

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To the extent people are seeing more out-of-state license plates (and personally, I'm still not seeing them) it's probably due to Covid restrictions being lifted more than anything else.

Of course, what we don't see is when people with Oklahoma plates move elsewhere, which also happens a lot. I can think of many more people I know who have left the state vs. people who have moved here. I know from my high school class database and my network of friends from OU that half or more are no longer in Oklahoma.

pete, the research numbers published in other threads would suggest otherwise, that there is a net in migration into OKC than out. And as a recent visitor to OKC from Washington I can tell you I OBSERVED that there were noticable out-of-state plates (and not just form Kansas or TX) in OKC moreso than I've seen in Washington (other than CA or OR).


And as for Tulsa's program, good for them and it's good to think out of the box having clear objectives. But OKC doesn't need to follow that and instead should continue it's incentive program for businesses (bribes, lol) and get better at it (like improving the school system).

California is in fact shrinking.

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1390744961029742597?s=21

California is in fact shrinking.

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1390744961029742597?s=21

Very slightly after a century of massive growth.

It's still by far the most populated state in the U.S.

California is in fact shrinking.

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1390744961029742597?s=21

Good indicator of the steep decline in immigration in the last couple years and declining birth rates.

pete, the research numbers published in other threads would suggest otherwise, that there is a net in migration into OKC than out. And as a recent visitor to OKC from Washington I can tell you I OBSERVED that there were noticable out-of-state plates (and not just form Kansas or TX) in OKC moreso than I've seen in Washington (other than CA or OR).


And as for Tulsa's program, good for them and it's good to think out of the box having clear objectives. But OKC doesn't need to follow that and instead should continue it's incentive program for businesses (bribes, lol) and get better at it (like improving the school system).

You keep mentioning these other threads that back up the notion that tens of thousands of Tulsans are moving to OKC as well as OKC being the #1 choice of place to live among"everybody in Oklahoma". Could you please direct me to this thread.

California is in fact shrinking.

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1390744961029742597?s=21

Yeah the decline in House members were a clue a couple of weeks ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/where-people-in-oklahoma-city-are-moving-to-most/ss-BB1c1RqP#image=51

Between San Francisco and OKC last year there was a net of *352 people for OKC. Between Tulsa and OKC there was a net of 1700+ for OKC.

*Earlier I posted the number for LA at 46. In fact it was 352.

San Francisco is a total of 47 square miles and completely maxed out in terms of development/space.

I'm very sure if you looked at the Bay Area as a whole, the numbers would be quite different.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/where-people-in-oklahoma-city-are-moving-to-most/ss-BB1c1RqP#image=51

Between San Francisco and OKC last year there was a net of 46 people for OKC. Between Tulsa and OKC there was a net of 1700+ for OKC.

Interesting link JB. And now we are absorbing 150 WPX employees or more into the Metro Oklahoma City area via the merger.

I feel like it is all speculation until we get our next data dump in late August.

San Francisco is a total of 47 square miles and completely maxed out in terms of development/space.

I'm very sure if you looked at the Bay Area as a whole, the numbers would be quite different.

That's why the Chase Center (Arena) in SF cost $1.4 billion with a seating capacity of 18,064. Compare that to our Peake due $104 million in MAPS 4 renovation that will see a total investment in our NBA arena of $300 million since opening in 2002 will seat 18,203 for NBA basketball.

California is in fact shrinking.

https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1390744961029742597?s=21

A 0.46% yearly loss for California is pretty tiny all things considered, and if I am doing my armchair math right a third of that is from their Covid deaths.

Hardly worth the braying and cheering in the responses to that tweet.

6. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA Metro Area
- Migration to Los Angeles in 2014-2018: 830
- Migration from Los Angeles to Oklahoma City: 876 (#60 most common destination from Los Angeles)
- Net migration: 46 to Oklahoma City

#10. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metro Area
- Migration to Seattle in 2014-2018: 549
- Migration from Seattle to Oklahoma City: 187 (#103 most common destination from Seattle)
- Net migration: 362 to Seattle


#32. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA Metro Area
- Migration to San Francisco in 2014-2018: 231
- Migration from San Francisco to Oklahoma City: 583 (#46 most common destination from San Francisco)
- Net migration: 352 to Oklahoma City

San Francisco is a total of 47 square miles and completely maxed out in terms of development/space.

I'm very sure if you looked at the Bay Area as a whole, the numbers would be quite different.

I corrected the numbers. In fact it is 352.

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OKC's MSA is #41 in terms of population.

Therefore, people are moving from all those places to OKC at a rate lower than our population rank.


I think it's safe to say that during the pandemic, lots of people left California due to the strict lockdown and high cost of living. I would not want to bet that trend will continue for any sustained period.

No more posts about California population.

It's all thinly-veiled political stuff and that needs to be confined to the Politics forum.

If we want to consider methods to boost our population growth, we need to consider strategies other than hoping someone wants to move to Oklahoma because our houses cost a bit less. We should consider accepting a larger number of refugees and immigrants fleeing political persecution in their home country.

I believe Oklahoma only typically takes around 500 refugees a year, which is about 1% of refugees entering the US. Of those, I'm not sure how many settle in OKC specifically. There are tens of thousands seeking to relocate to the US from around the world, including Iraq, Syria, China, Eritrea, and Burma. If we took in even 5,000 refugees/political immigrants a year, that would ultimately be a huge population boost and a welcome contribution to the culture of the city and state.

There are, of course, several considerations regarding our capacity to absorb that number of refugees, but none of them that impossible to overcome with appropriate planning, except, perhaps, the nativist objections that will inevitably arise. Among them: housing, cultural integration to prevent segregation as you see in parts of Europe, and job opportunities.

I could be mistaken but I believe refugee resettlement locations are under federal oversight. The states have zero say in this matter.

I could be mistaken but I believe refugee resettlement locations are under federal oversight. The states have zero say in this matter.

You're correct that it's under federal oversight, but you are not correct that the states have zero say. The feds work with the states to determine where they go and one of the many factors in deciding is the state's willingness to take them.

You're correct that it's under federal oversight, but you are not correct that the states have zero say. The feds work with the states to determine where they go and one of the many factors in deciding is the state's willingness to take them.

Didn't we house a number of migrant children at Fort Sill?

You're correct that it's under federal oversight, but you are not correct that the states have zero say. The feds work with the states to determine where they go and one of the many factors in deciding is the state's willingness to take them.

NGO'S are who resettles refugees after they have passed medical and security screening. 45 tried to implement an EO giving states and localities veto power. This was thrown out by the 3rd Circut in Jan.

Interesting how OKC is starting to pop up on the fastest growing cities list:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/Only-one-U-S-city-saw-a-bigger-pandemic-exodus-16258720.php

Interesting how OKC is starting to pop up on the fastest growing cities list:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/Only-one-U-S-city-saw-a-bigger-pandemic-exodus-16258720.php

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Awesome!

Nice and steady growth. Nothing that will overwhelm the city in regards to traffic problems or explosive cost of living problems like in Denver, Portland, and Austin.

The next time you're driving around the city has anyone noticed the number of Texas tags, Tribal tags and out-of state tags throughout our city.

Are Oklahomans driving to Texas to get there automobiles registered using relatives addresses or/are we experiencing a bit of an influx of people moving to OKC or back to Oklahoma from Texas.

Also are established parents with estates leaving property to their children who may be moving back b/c of the higher property taxes in Texas.

Also I've observed a number of tribal tags on display in our city. Keep your eyes on the road when driving; however when you come to a stop, see if you observe a variety of various tags throughout our city. Real head scratchier for me.

I’m not noticing any more non-OKlahoma tags than usual. Tribal tags are very common, especially since tribal members can get their tags for free or at substantially reduced cost compared to state tags.

A couple weeks ago, I saw a good article about the migration patterns within the US that reminded me of the discussion on here regarding Californians moving to Oklahoma. The data shows that’s not happening, and that Californians leaving the big cities, like San Francisco, which is losing a lot of residents, are largely moving to suburbs/other locations within California. There was very little in-migration to Oklahoma.

I noticed a lot during my April visit - we were one of the out of state plates btw. :)

Haven't really studied the migration charts; however it seems as though what little growth Oklahoma experienced was in the Oklahoma City and Tulsa metropolitan areas.

Keep in mind also that there are a ton of people making up for lost time and going on road trips this summer, and this city gets a huge number of those people passing through given that we are criss-crossed by three major interstate highways (not to mention the historical Route 66 factor).

Bumping this as new census data is leaked. OKC is one of 14 cities nationwide that experienced a growth of 100,000+ in the last decade. Pretty good company to be in:

https://i.imgur.com/WaFIeIg.jpg

The OKC metro area grew by 172,000+ in the last decade.

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/2020-population-and-housing-state-data.html

Great news!

Reading a bit into a county by county detail it looks like a lot of growth in urban at the expense of rural counties. Interesting to see when the full report comes out and we figure out where the population came from overall.

A 200k jump in 10 years isn't great. Last census we had grown by ~300k (8.7%) but this time only ~200k (5.5%).