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Latest Census Numbers by Metro - 2019. OKC Metro experienced a solid uptick in population growth, moving up one spot in the Metro population rankings.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2010s-total-metro-and-micro-statistical-areas.html

2019 Population Estimates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas



Oklahoma City - MSA 1,408,950

That's an increase of 12k from 2018. Not too bad.

New census data released today has Oklahoma City at 655,057, up from 647,912 in 2019, an increase of 7,145 persons. Was hoping for a little more, but I will take it. We also jumped Portland, and now are ranked in the top 25. Detroit is ahead of us by 15,000, but we will jump them as well in the next few years, as Detroit has been losing population every year on a consistent basis.

Reference: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2010s-total-cities-and-towns.html

New census data released today has Oklahoma City at 655,057, up from 647,912 in 2019, an increase of 7,145 persons. Was hoping for a little more, but I will take it. We also jumped Portland, and now are ranked in the top 25. Detroit is ahead of us by 15,000, but we will jump them as well in the next few years, as Detroit has been losing population every year on a consistent basis.

Reference: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2010s-total-cities-and-towns.html

Jeez. Denver, Seattle, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin all gained around 30k in the last three years. Not as much growth in Dallas as I expected.

How do you look at the data in the format of a ranking of cities in the area? How did you know OKC was 25th?

The only way I see this data on that website is by clicking on each individual state and scrolling through every town in that state.

How do you look at the data in the format of a ranking of cities in the area? How did you know OKC was 25th?

The only way I see this data on that website is by clicking on each individual state and scrolling through every town in that state.

Ditto, give us some numbers... Especially interested in how we passed Portland.

Click on the links under the TABLES header. It shows cities over 5oK population.

Got it! Thank you!

Got it! Thank you!

Those numbers just show the city proper. It doesn't include the metro area as a whole. OKC is much larger in land mass than most of the other cities. I know that the greater Portland area has quite a larger pop. than Okc metro. Back in the 70-80s both Okc and Portland metros were about the same pop. wise.

Mistake above, I believe OKC and San Antonio were about the same size metros in 70s-80s time frame. Of course SA metro much larger now.

Indeed. We're losing to some cities and overtaking others, and so our metro ranking doesn't seem to change all that much from one census to the next. Do they issue yearly metro rankings?

Jeez. Denver, Seattle, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin all gained around 30k in the last three years. Not as much growth in Dallas as I expected.

All that DFW growth is in Collin County and to the west in FW.

Stlokc- they do issue yearly estimates. OKC was bumped up to 1,408,950.

What's weird is the Tulsa metro still hasn't reached 1 million.

I believe our MSA ranks 41st in the nation as far as population.

Thank you Kevin Lee!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Downtown_Oklahoma_City_skyline_at_twilight.jpg/1280px-Downtown_Oklahoma_City_skyline_at_twilight.jpg

Oklahoma City is now the 25th Largest City in the United States:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population#Census-designated_places

I believe our MSA ranks 41st in the nation as far as population.

Yes

41. Oklahoma City, OK MSA 1,408,950

What is more significant? A city’s “proper” population, or its MSA?

What is more significant? A city’s “proper” population, or its MSA?

I don't think either is more significant than the other. Most people probably look at city population though.

The MSA population is far more important. Just take a look at some of those cities that are "behind" OKC's city proper in population. Atlanta, for example. Now, I love OKC, but do you think anybody seriously thinks of OKC as the "bigger" of those two cities?

OKC's city proper will keep growing and may very well reach the top 10-15 sometime in our lifetime. The reason is the great annexation blitz and the fact that housing subdivisions way out in the wheat fields are still in OKC proper. Many of the legacy cities were much smaller in geography and have been "built out" for some time, so the growth is in the suburbs. Metro areas are a far more reasonable way to actually compare populations.

Definitely MSA. Metro cities feed off each other. I.e. person in Moore shopping in OKC, person working in MWC living in OKC.

The actual city limit population doesnt show the true effect of the entire city. I.e. if all of the suburbs didnt exist, but OKC stayed the same size. What would OKC's economy look like?

MSA definitely bears more significant weight.

At the time the NBA approved OKC for NBA Supersonics' relocation; our MSA was 1.2 million in 2008. General rule: 1 million per big league sport (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL); OKC has been comfortable with its support of the Thunder; 414 consecutive sellouts since 2010.

Feel we are ready to get on the radar for Major League Soccer (MLS).

There were no major league professional franchise in our area are state. The nearest city was Dallas 200+ miles away.

I don't think either is more significant than the other. Most people probably look at city population though.

I feel the opposite on both of these points. I feel the MSA is far more significant. I always look at MSAs and know the top 50 off the top of my head, but have no clue about city data except maybe the top 5.

MSA's are far more important.

Some cities have very small boundaries and huge MSA's.

MSA's are far more important.

Some cities have very small boundaries and huge MSA's.

St. Louis

MSA's are far more important.

Some cities have very small boundaries and huge MSA's.

St Louis for example; city has a little over 300,000, MSA is 2.8M.

Indeed, St. Louis is the perfect example. The city proper is tiny. It’s boundaries were set in the 1800s. It was built out by 1940. There is no possible way it could grow. Except, except: some successful cities are growing because they are increasing density.

For STL to grow it would have to have a sustained period where the myriad 4-family and 8-family and 16-family apartment buildings were replaced with buildings of 32 or 64 or 108 units. Right now that’s not happening: on the contrary, gentrification is causing things to move in the opposite direction.

The huge discussion in STL right now, on internet boards, in random coffee shops, etc where people might be wringing hands at population loss: is population itself actually that important? Are you better off with 300K or 900K in the same footprint? You would think 900K or more, right? Well, that made sense long ago. It might still make sense if the schools, utilities, infrastructure was ready for it.

It’s a TOTALLY different conversation than cities where you just randomly plat subdivisions and the population grows. As if by accident.

While I agree MSA is more significant, being a top 25 city by population allow Okc to continue to build on its urban core and downtown development to attract significantly more people to live downtown.

Jax is the most equal to OKC. Both have big footprints. I think OKC has bigger MSA area potential though.

I like smart growth meaning don’t grow too fast just grow steady.

It’s so weird that how close Jax is to OKC to size and population. Jax is naturally a bit more dense I would assume where development exists due to the swamps and marshes everywhere that render much land protected or not developable.

When I have visited Jacksonville in the past, it was more impressive to me in terms of its infrastructure as well as the vibrancy it seemed to have had that OKC doesn’t sometimes. It also has better shopping developments I wonder how much of that simply comes from being in the middle of a corridor that connects Miami to the NE and the entire easy coast. So far Jacksonville has been the only east coast city I’ve visited, strangely enough.

It’s so weird that how close Jax is to OKC to size and population. Jax is naturally a bit more dense I would assume where development exists due to the swamps and marshes everywhere that render much land protected or not developable.

When I have visited Jacksonville in the past, it was more impressive to me in terms of its infrastructure as well as the vibrancy it seemed to have had that OKC doesn’t sometimes. It also has better shopping developments I wonder how much of that simply comes from being in the middle of a corridor that connects Miami to the NE and the entire easy coast. So far Jacksonville has been the only east coast city I’ve visited, strangely enough.

Jax has ocean and the St Johns river. Lots of Navy/military. But the pulp mill smell at times just wafts into the air its a bad smell. I remember when one of the large car dealerships had their lot swallowed up by sinkhole. Years ago they implemented an impact fee for all new house construction to pay for increased infrastructure demand. And a big advantage their roads don’t go bad like here since weather is more stable. They get around 8 freezing nights per year and its not much below 32 at that.

I still find it super humorous that the NFL bet big on Jacksonville over San Antonio back in the 90s. For those that don’t know, the city to get one of the expansion teams at the time came down to San Antonio and Jacksonville. The NFL felt Jacksonville had a brighter future and awarded them the team. I’m sure the Cowboys played a part of it as wel, I’m sure Jerry did his best to argue giving it to Jacksonville, but I know they saw more potential in Jacksonville. Well, that didn’t play out the way they thought... lol

I kept up with population a lot in the mid 2000s and I think the thing that really blew my mind back then was learning that Miami didn't even make the Top 50 (I think) and then learning the city only has like 48 square miles of land.

I kept up with population a lot in the mid 2000s and I think the thing that really blew my mind back then was learning that Miami didn't even make the Top 50 (I think) and then learning the city only has like 48 square miles of land.

Yeah, Miami the city is very small, but Miami the metro is pretty darn big.

Census Cuts All Counting Efforts Short By A Month: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/03/898548910/census-cut-short-a-month-rushes-to-finish-all-counting-efforts-by-sept-30


Can President-Elect Biden Redo The 2020 Census? It's Complicated: https://www.npr.org/2020/11/12/933924447/can-president-elect-biden-redo-the-2020-census-its-complicated

Concerned about the projections that Oklahoma City's urban and metropolitan counts will be affected by the Trump Administration's decision to cut a month off the census gathering.

2020 Oklahoma City urban projection: 662,202 - https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/oklahoma-city-ok-population
2019 Oklahoma City metro projection: 1,408,950 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

Census Cuts All Counting Efforts Short By A Month: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/03/898548910/census-cut-short-a-month-rushes-to-finish-all-counting-efforts-by-sept-30


Can President-Elect Biden Redo The 2020 Census? It's Complicated: https://www.npr.org/2020/11/12/933924447/can-president-elect-biden-redo-the-2020-census-its-complicated

Concerned about the projections that Oklahoma City's urban and metropolitan counts will be affected by the Trump Administration's decision to cut a month off the census gathering.

2020 Oklahoma City urban projection: 662,202 - https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/oklahoma-city-ok-population
2019 Oklahoma City metro projection: 1,408,950 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

That would be an increase of over 7,000 since last year. Not too bad. I'd really like to see 10,000+ each year.

Back in November 2021 IIRC, met a black guy with his family of four who left California en-route to Texas or Oklahoma at the 7 Eleven on 23rd/MacArthur. He mentioned that Covid-19 was really getting bad in the L.A. metro. He is with the Air Force and was given an option to relocate in Texas or Oklahoma.

He decided to settle in Oklahoma City instead of San Antonio because the people were more friendly, homes were inexpensive, had larger lawns/back yards compared to those in Texas; he had his choice of Thunder or Spurs NBA basketball of which he is an NBA fan.

He had concerns about the roads; however I mentioned to him about the 2017 Bonds passed to make road improvements--he had some literature on OKC. His family were more impressed with Oklahoma City than San Antonio because the people were very courteous on the roads and friendly everywhere they stopped.

They were looking forward to changing seasons over the better climate in Texas and California. What he didn't like about S.A.on his visit was the crowded expressways and the traffic congestion. When asked about public and private schools, I gave him my cellphone # and told him to feel free to contact me if he had any questions.

He left me a voicemail message last week; thanked me, wanted me to know that he and his family have settled into Oklahoma.

Love that story!!!

Back in November 2021 IIRC, met a black guy with his family of four who left California en-route to Texas or Oklahoma at the 7 Eleven on 23rd/MacArthur. He mentioned that Covid-19 was really getting bad in the L.A. metro. He is with the Air Force and was given an option to relocate in Texas or Oklahoma.

He decided to settle in Oklahoma City instead of San Antonio because the people were more friendly, homes were inexpensive, had larger lawns/back yards compared to those in Texas; he had his choice of Thunder or Spurs NBA basketball of which he is an NBA fan.

He had concerns about the roads; however I mentioned to him about the 2017 Bonds passed to make road improvements--he had some literature on OKC. His family were more impressed with Oklahoma City than San Antonio because the people were very courteous on the roads and friendly everywhere they stopped.

They were looking forward to changing seasons over the better climate in Texas and California. What he didn't like about S.A.on his visit was the crowded expressways and the traffic congestion. When asked about public and private schools, I gave him my cellphone # and told him to feel free to contact me if he had any questions.

He left me a voicemail message last week; thanked me, wanted me to know that he and his family have settled into Oklahoma.

As an African American, I'm really glad to hear that.

Great to hear. OKC has a wonderful diversity it often doesn't get credit for nationwide. ...

The 200 Largest Cities in the United States by Population 2021

24 Oklahoma City Oklahoma 669,347

Looks like we're now the 24th largest city in the United States ahead of Las Vegas.

Link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

Don't know if this is the latest version from the U.S. Census Bureau.

Yeah!!!!

Interestingly they got the density of Oklahoma City totally wrong!!


Other cities with low population densities include Chesapeake, Virginia (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/virginia-population) (274/km²); Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (332/km²);




24
Oklahoma City (https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/oklahoma-city-ok-population)
Oklahoma (https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/oklahoma-population)
669,347
582,516

164
606




??? Isn't OKC's density at 1,105 per square mile (669,347/606)? ??? :rolleyes:

Also interesting they said Tulsa was the only city with 0.0% growth.

Yeah!!!!

Interestingly they got the density of Oklahoma City totally wrong!!





??? Isn't OKC's density at 1,105 per square mile (669,347/606)? ??? :rolleyes:

Also interesting they said Tulsa was the only city with 0.0% growth.

Weird. I checked several of the densities and they were all wrong.

Well dang - Among the 66 municipalities that have 300k people or more as of 2021, OKC ranks 18th. If you take out non-principal cities of MSAs, OKC climbs up to 15th (Henderson, NV + Mesa, AZ + Aurora, CO are all suburbs of larger cities).

I was surprised to see that Austin was not #1. I haven't paid attention to these statistics since probably 2014, but for the first 4 years of the decade, Austin look like it was going to end up a good clip ahead of everyone else in growth. Seattle and Forth Worth ended up growing at a greater percentage.

Growing faster than Nashville and Kansas City I think shows just how many things we're doing right.

I think we'll probably stagger a bit out of the gate in the 2020s even more so than a lot of cities, but I bet we see some really interesting things come out between 2024 and 2026 that really set up for a good growth clip between 2030 and 2040.

The 200 Largest Cities in the United States by Population 2021 https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

Oklahoma City Metro Population is also listed: Metro Population - 1,439,640
Tulsa's Metro Population eclipsed 1 million: Metro Population - 1,009,610

Click on the city and it will give you the Metro Population figure in the right column.

Think OKC could actually be positioned well over the next few years with the Core-to-Shore vision finally completed and seemingly fewer local restaurants and shops closing here than in most other cities.

Growing faster than Nashville and Kansas City I think shows just how many things we're doing right.

I think we'll probably stagger a bit out of the gate in the 2020s even more so than a lot of cities, but I bet we see some really interesting things come out between 2024 and 2026 that really set up for a good growth clip between 2030 and 2040.

Do you mean city growth? Because metro growth wise, in the last ten years Kansas City and
OKC grew about the same in terms of raw numbers. Nashville doubled both OKC and KC in raw growth.

In terms of percentage, over the ten years OKC averaged 1.2 percent growth a year. Kansas City averaged .8 percent yearly growth over the ten years. The last decade KC had consistent above 1 percent growth was the 90s. So, that just tells you Kansas City has had very slow growth for decades now. Nashville grew by 1.7 percent yearly.

It looks like differences between city-proper population vs. metro area.

But OKC proper growth is good, right? Means higher density core.

Think OKC could actually be positioned well over the next few years with the Core-to-Shore vision finally completed and seemingly fewer local restaurants and shops closing here than in most other cities.

Something of which we all have our fingers crossed. Personally, IMO I feel that our rebound is right around the corner .

The good first sign will be the old Chelino's restaurant reopening or under a different name brand in Bricktown. Can't help but recall then Mayor Cornett saying he wanted to diversify OKC's economy where we don't have everything tied to the energy sector.

It's tough times in Tulsa where WPX had to merge with Devon and moved everything to Oklahoma City. Imagine what our sister city is experiencing. Glad they stayed in Oklahoma and not swept up by a Houston energy giant.

OKC is quickly gaining on Nashville, El Paso, and Boston. ...

also interesting that OKC is the 15th largest NBA city.

OKC is quickly gaining on Nashville, El Paso, and Boston. ...

also interesting that OKC is the 15th largest NBA city.

What is your source on the Thunder? Everything I have seen to date has OKC in third smallest behind SLC and Milwaukee.

What is your source on the Thunder? Everything I have seen to date has OKC in third smallest behind SLC and Milwaukee.

Maybe he's talking TV market share. The Thunder covers all of Oklahoma and Kansas which includes KC ?

Of course I am basing it on city limits population.

NBA Cities by City Proper Population (2019 US Census estimate)
1. New York - 8,336,800
2. Los Angeles - 3,979,600
3. Toronto - 2,731,600 (2016 Canadian Census)
4. Chicago - 2,694,000
5. Houston - 2,320,300
6. Phoenix - 1,681,000
7. Philadelphia - 1,584,000
8. San Antonio - 1,547,300
9. Dallas - 1,343,600
10. Charlotte - 885,700
11. San Francisco - 881,500
12. Indianapolis - 876,400
13. Denver - 727,200
14. Washington DC - 705,700
15. Boston - 692,600
16. Detroit - 670,000
17. OKC - 655,100
18. Portland - 654,700
19. Memphis - 651,100
20. Milwaukee - 590,200
21. Sacramento - 513,600
22. Atlanta - 506,800
23. Miami - 468,000
24. Minneapolis - 429,600
25. New Orleans - 390,100
26. Cleveland - 381,000
27. Orlando - 287,400
28. Salt Lake City - 200,600

NBA Cities by Metropolitan Population (2019 US Census estimate)
1. New York - 19,216,000
2. Los Angeles - 13,215,000
3. Chicago - 9,459,000
4. Dallas-Ft Worth - 7,573,000
5. Houston - 7,066,000
6. Toronto - 6,418,000 (2016 Canadian Census)
7. Washington DC - 6,281,000
8. Miami - 6,167,000
9. Philadelphia - 6,102,000
10. Atlanta - 6,020,000
11. Phoenix - 4,948,000
12. Boston - 4,873,000
13. San Francisco - 4,732,000
14. Detroit - 4,320,000
15. Minneapolis - 3,655,000
16. Denver - 2,967,000
17. Charlotte - 2,637,000
18. Orlando - 2,608,000
19. San Antonio - 2,551,000
20. Portland - 2,492,000
21. Sacramento - 2,364,000
22. Indianapolis - 2,075,000
23. Cleveland - 2,048,000
24. Milwaukee - 1,575,000
25. OKC - 1,409,000
26. Memphis - 1,346,000
27. New Orleans - 1,271,000
28. Salt Lake City - 1,233,000

What is your source on the Thunder? Everything I have seen to date has OKC in third smallest behind SLC and Milwaukee.

I was just extrapolating from the population chart that was posted a few days ago. And I'm using city population from the chart, not metro or market.

From KaynMo's chart above, he's right as I missed Washington DC and didn't include Toronto in my eye count. ...

I would think OKC's market would be ahead of New Orleans and Memphis as well since our metro area is ahead of theirs, but I know how they like to give other cities huge swaths of area to prop up their media markets while confining OKC to just central and very low populated northwestern OK.